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As a tanker, constant scanning in the defense is no less necessary when using thermal sights. Like you show with the vegetation, people will disappear in the brush. Infantry can get a lot closer than a lazy tanker would think just by using bushes and crawling through tall grass and tiny ruts in the ground.
For anyone who hasn't seen, there's open source reporting that both sides in Ukraine are receiving clothing and or ponchos with thermal reduction linings. This stuff's out there, and it's just gonna keep getting better and more widely proliferated.
@@yfelwulf lmao the military has had thermal camouflage for decades. Where do you think SAAB got the technology for their Barracuda nets? Heck, militias working at the southern border have had thermal camouflage for almost a decade now. It's need to know.
North Mountain Gear NMG version, 3D camo works great. Its a mesh base, which breaths, 3d leaves act as temperature diffusers, plus you can sit down and someone will step on you before they see you. I bought mine to fit over winter clothes, but it turned out to be super effective by layering the mesh and 3d leaves. ATN gen 4 scope didnt find me until I pulled my hood back.
Some of the information leaked about the 2014 incident here in PA that resulted in a 48 day manhunt has been pretty interesting as to how the perp evaded law enforcement helicopters equipped with FLIR.
@@A9S15J5E9M806 A mess bc of the stupid cops. Wasting so much time, energy, tax dollars to chase down one guy who they would find anyway if they just waited a little bit. I've seen police work in Asia, in some ways they are much smarter than us. They let the criminal think he got away and no one is looking for him then when he reveals himself they pounce. Much more efficient, just as effective, and doesn't disrupt society.
@@FederalMenaceit’s all back channel stuff now. I really don’t want to promote it because what that scumbag did was kinda heinous. In summary, the perp was intimately familiar with the terrain, and was a self-taught survivalist. When he couldn’t rely on overhead tree canopy, he was laying in shallow depressions and covering himself with a Zeltbahn (the guy was also a WW2 reenactor). It was believed he was using a rock outcropping to keep the shelter half suspended, which either intentionally or unintentionally helped him hide from thermal observation. He finally succumbed to hunger, exhaustion, and cold, which led him to seek shelter in a hangar at a small inactive airport. The police caught up to him and “accidentally”caved his face in while arresting him when he surrendered. He escaped into the forest on foot when his getaway vehicle slid off the road into a body of water, so a lot of his survival gear got ditched when he bailed out of the car. It’s been speculated that he might have remained at large for much longer if he hadn’t needed to abandon his supplies.
be careful when you use the mylar in conjunction with other materials. It stops radiant heat transfer but not conductive heat transfer, so it's great in a hide site to keep your radiant body heat from slowly heating up your barrier materials, but if it directly touches those barrier materials it can actually heat them faster in some cases.
Outstanding presentation as always. You did a fantastic job of research. This was never taught ever in my time as an infantryman in my career. This should be taught at both the Army and Marine infantry schools as a basic cirriculum for setting observation posts and fighting positions.
certain weather condition, when humid or in fog/mist can also make thermal scopes next to useless, conversely in cold crisps conditions it works better than normal,
Best defense against a thermal sensor will always be smart use of dead space. In my testing(videos on my channel) i've found that a woobie poncho provides the best wearable signature mitigation that isn't overly encumbering because the material doesn't cling to the body (maintaining some level of offset) and is insulating. There will be hot-spots near the shoulders, where the weight of the garment presses it down onto your body, but you can cut a piece of reflectix insulation to wear over your shoulders and around your neck to prevent this. I usually throw my USGI poncho ontop of the woobie since it's better at matching the ambient temperature.
A rectangular piece of perspex to fit inside your pack. Maybe shoulder width wide. You can use it as a viewing port in a concealed LP/OP from the prone position. Gives you a clear view but blocks your thermal signature. Throw some overhead cover up and you're good.
Thermal signature is about ambient temps and achieving that with clothing. Contrasting temps at the extremes end of either spectrum are far more difficult and in those cases breaking up the signature will be the most you can hope for while still being mobile.
@@Kinetic.44 That's false, thermal can't see through walls. That's not how it works. There is a device that can detect objects through walls using radio waves much like sonar, however it only works physically against the wall and it doesn't produce an image, only hot spot lines. Israel is pretty much the only country that uses it.
Best thing to do (obviously) is get thermals if you can, find someone who has them, or get everyone in your group (you should have a group) to chip in. Make a list of everything and everyway you can think of to test what works and what doesn’t. Bottom line, that's the only way to do it. That's the only way to be confident. We all know how powerful thermals can be but, until you get out there and hands on you're at a disadvantage.
Interesting stuff. I like the videos where you explain and show gear, rather than just hiding in it. (that is still interesting though) Regards JB. UK/South Coast. 👌
Good video but one item I don't hear anyone talking about that would work good against thermal is glass or any clear plastic. Thermal cannot see through it at all. Not something you would probably carry on you but would be good to use for a LP/OP setup. I got several 13"x18" clear pvc table top covers for $12 off Amazon. Its very flexible, easy to form to any shape, waterproof, probably more durable than a tarp b/c they are usually thicker and you can see through it. Probably would need to use other cover like camo nets or natural vegetation in front it so you're not see by the naked eye. Maybe even spray a little camo paint on it to reduce light reflection.
High end thermals can see through thin plastic sheets. That's how the Boston marathon bomber was caught when the helicopter spotted him in a boat under a tarp. My SkeetIR will see through an umbrella at close range.
In Infantry AIT in 1982, we were told to NEVER iron our BDU’s because they were impregnated with chemicals that help to reduce our thermal signature. Anyone else hear that? Subbed
@@Rokaize Sure it does. An iron applies a lot more heat to the fabric than a washer or dryer. Since the dawn of time, uniforms were required to be pressed or ironed and creased, so that was a major break from tradition. The military does not break tradition without good reason. Did you serve?
@@lowandslow3939 yes I did. And heard similar bizarre advice in the Navy. They told us in boot camp that we can’t use our NWUs (naval working uniforms) in salt water because there’s a special dye in the fabric that turns yellow when exposed to salt. To signal for rescue in case you went overboard. Makes absolutely no sense. What happens if you sweat in your working uniform? Does it turn yellow? No. It was just some fallacious anecdote someone dreamed up And in your example, yeah an iron might apply more heat but if that’s a concern then surely being soaked and blasted with chemicals like bleach would result in issues for the special fabric
I never heard of what you're talking about. however, I did hear them say that we weren't supposed to use starch on our uniforms while pressing it because it would make our uniforms IR signature stand out. However, try being a Marine in the woodland utilities era and not having a pressed starched uniform in garrison. We all used it.
I have thermal and night-vision optics and I also have Anti-IR (IR resistant) clothing. The stuff wasn't cheap, but it's a must on the modern battlefield with drones and all the other garbage a guy has to watch out for these days.....
Good show. Ya heard of agent orange ... the defoliant? Should peepses become an issue and be difficult to subdue due to natural vegetation, guess what. Another issue, take a gander at google map and you'll notice that throughout much of the us, where once natural forest provided a habitat for creatures no longer exist but instead land stripped of such to provide for gmo crops for the manufacture of ... crap.
@@BigJohnson-g3j For public consumption, sure. Formula been slightly altered, been renamed and repackaged with same end results. In any case, a contingency is in place to address difficult to get along with peepses.
Nice intro! A poncho was my first thought; how well would a poncho worn as a cloak help to break up a man's shape while walking? As you point out, invisibility is pretty much impossible in the field, but anything that makes the wearer less noticeable is a help.
In my experience I have found that you do not necessarily need to completely conceal your thermal signature so long as you have a good understanding of what the rest of your environment looks like in IR. In nature there are hot spots everywhere, and if you can break up the human outline enough such that you don't appear human or large enough to be human, this can be sufficient to fool the human observer using that technology to try to detect you. Unfortunately this means you need first-hand experience in knowing what your environment looks like at different times of the day under IR in order to effectively blend in. It is worth mentioning that one of mother nature's hot spots once fooled me into believing a man was in the prone observing the edge of a clearing right until I got close enough to step on him - only to find roots and dirt.
ALSO, is there any information coming about covering the face? In your comparisons, your face stood out like a spotlight! I actually wonder if the old mosquito head nets would help.
Get a helmet cover and small cell bubble wrap, some burlap and some netting that strands of burlap can be woven through / into. Bubble wrap goes inside the cover (insulation) the burlapped netting over that (camo) set all this on your noggin & shoulders. Use glue to hold it all together.
It should (no means to test yet). Obviously we both recognize the temp gradient and stand-off distance. The mesh size is what will absorb or block most of that radiant temperature as glass does, though conduction from the body or exhalation would be the next concern.
Being a civilian-owner of both thermal and IR NVG, I can attest that there is no ideal solution readily available to conceal us from both methods of observation, simultaneously - at least, not while on the move (without over-heating the individual). A prepared position is another matter, however. Natural materials combined with things like "radiant barrier thermal insulation" (not space blankets) will work to a great degree, but only for aerial observation of a prepared position and you've still got to consider how you will observe your sector of responsibility from within your position without being observed from the ground. It's a tough nut to crack. Even one's breath and built-up body temps in a confined space can give you away. Yeah. It's a motherfucker! Cover yourself with camo-covered anti-thermal and, under IR, you'll look like a walking shrub, right? Without the camo cover, you'll reflect and look like a neon light! Neither is ideal, I wouldn't think.
Take two woobies sow them togetjer with 2 space blankets in between then net and gillie use veg wen u got full kit and pack it keep off ur body and allows air between u and the inner liner can be used for over head cover as well just rig like a poncho over a fox hole works great give it a try
Yeah, I've watched intently the goings on in Ukraine. The Russians investment in thermal tech is pretty crazy. We've seen with hog hunters here in the states it being used to great effect. The fact that thermal units are becoming less expensive means it's going to become prolific. If it hasn't yet already. There's a former Army SGM SOF guy on Primary and Secondary, Chuck Pressburg that has talked about not wanting to give up the battle space of IR illumination and lasers. But what I'm seeing in Ukraine it's 100% passive. Analog NV isn't going away. But I think the day of illuminating a target with IR flood and lasers is. I'm sure if you are dominating the battle space then it doesn't matter. But in a near peer situation. No bueno. Biggest thing I'm seeing in Ukraine however that's annoying AF! Is the lack of slings being used. On both sides. Complacency is another. Most assaults are in the daytime and dudes are not wearing their gear. Another thing that is astounding me is the Russians ability to produce weapons of war. The Ukrainians with drones and ATGM's like the Javelin have destroyed 2,400 armored vehicles. Now they are saying the Russians are refurbishing older T72's, T80's and T90's. While producing 100 new tanks a month. And have the capacity if need be to produce 250 a month. 😮 The US can only produce 20k of 155mm a month. Russia can produce +200k. Of 152mm and 122mm. The US can only produce 14k of MLRS rockets a year. Russia can produce 30k a month. I've also read where it behooves you to be a volunteer in the Russian Army. If you are conscripted you get minimal training. And get sent out the door to Ukraine. If you volunteer the pipeline and training takes months. B team and A team. It's mostly B team fighting in Ukraine. A team is getting ready for NATO. Russia is said to be averaging 30k a month into the Army. 16k are volunteers. And it is said the Army has had a goal end strength of 1.3 million. But with NATO looming. Have bumped it up to 2.2 million. Having 7 300k autonomous Army groups. There's a book circulating that was written by Soldiers and PMC Wagner for new troops that's been circulating on how to get along in Ukraine. Food for thought SGT Major.
1. No one in Ukraine is using IR lasers or illuminators. Unless they want to die. Anyone who thinks using NVGs with an IR laser against a peer or near peer adversary is just delusional. 2. Not everyone wants or needs to use slings. It depends on the environment. Slings were rare in Vietnam and the numerous African bush wars. Not everyone needs them or wants them. 3. The Ukrainians haven’t destroyed that many vehicles with atgms and drones. Those are losses. That could mean they ran out of fuel and abandoned the vehicle. If you look at most of the losses they are due to being abandoned or mines and artillery. Atgms and drones are all fine but neither of them is the main factor. Especially with the severe amount of Russian EW. 4. The numbers you’re using are highly questionable. They are clearly from the Russian government themselves. Which I have no idea why you believe them NATO and the US itself are using a fraction of the military budgets on this war. And Russia still has issues with production. Ukraine does need foreign aide however. They simply can’t produce a lot of their own equipment. While Russia more or less can. But wel see how long Russia can keep up its war economy. 5. The Russian A team isn’t getting ready for NATO. Russia has all hands on deck for this war. They have mobilized for the first time since WW2. They are in no position to hold people back for NATO (whatever that means). NATO isn’t going to attack Russia. NATO isn’t remotely interested in fighting Russia. Nor is the US. This is simply a great and cheap way to severely damage Russia, a major geopolitical rival. It’s a great option. We spend 2% of our military budget or utterly obliterate the Russian military and destroy their reputation worldwide. There’s no need to send troops or get involved in a nuclear conflict. Again, NATO isn’t attacking Russia and will not. Russia has no one in reserve for NATO especially since they are struggling, and have for 2 years now, to come up with the manpower necessary to prosecute this war.
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Okay, where does one find the bug mesh-backed camo net?
As a tanker, constant scanning in the defense is no less necessary when using thermal sights. Like you show with the vegetation, people will disappear in the brush. Infantry can get a lot closer than a lazy tanker would think just by using bushes and crawling through tall grass and tiny ruts in the ground.
Never underestimate what a cocky 18 year old hopped up on the tales of Homer will try.
For anyone who hasn't seen, there's open source reporting that both sides in Ukraine are receiving clothing and or ponchos with thermal reduction linings. This stuff's out there, and it's just gonna keep getting better and more widely proliferated.
The us military has been working on it for 40 years
They have advanced tech in this field
@@paulbarclay4114 40 years they have Jack shit
@@yfelwulf lmao the military has had thermal camouflage for decades. Where do you think SAAB got the technology for their Barracuda nets? Heck, militias working at the southern border have had thermal camouflage for almost a decade now. It's need to know.
North Mountain Gear NMG version, 3D camo works great. Its a mesh base, which breaths, 3d leaves act as temperature diffusers, plus you can sit down and someone will step on you before they see you. I bought mine to fit over winter clothes, but it turned out to be super effective by layering the mesh and 3d leaves. ATN gen 4 scope didnt find me until I pulled my hood back.
Some of the information leaked about the 2014 incident here in PA that resulted in a 48 day manhunt has been pretty interesting as to how the perp evaded law enforcement helicopters equipped with FLIR.
I couldn't agree more . Town was a mess because of him . He was a shit shot too .
Good find
@@A9S15J5E9M806 A mess bc of the stupid cops. Wasting so much time, energy, tax dollars to chase down one guy who they would find anyway if they just waited a little bit. I've seen police work in Asia, in some ways they are much smarter than us. They let the criminal think he got away and no one is looking for him then when he reveals himself they pounce. Much more efficient, just as effective, and doesn't disrupt society.
Can you recommend a synopsis source?
@@FederalMenaceit’s all back channel stuff now. I really don’t want to promote it because what that scumbag did was kinda heinous.
In summary, the perp was intimately familiar with the terrain, and was a self-taught survivalist. When he couldn’t rely on overhead tree canopy, he was laying in shallow depressions and covering himself with a Zeltbahn (the guy was also a WW2 reenactor). It was believed he was using a rock outcropping to keep the shelter half suspended, which either intentionally or unintentionally helped him hide from thermal observation.
He finally succumbed to hunger, exhaustion, and cold, which led him to seek shelter in a hangar at a small inactive airport. The police caught up to him and “accidentally”caved his face in while arresting him when he surrendered.
He escaped into the forest on foot when his getaway vehicle slid off the road into a body of water, so a lot of his survival gear got ditched when he bailed out of the car. It’s been speculated that he might have remained at large for much longer if he hadn’t needed to abandon his supplies.
be careful when you use the mylar in conjunction with other materials. It stops radiant heat transfer but not conductive heat transfer, so it's great in a hide site to keep your radiant body heat from slowly heating up your barrier materials, but if it directly touches those barrier materials it can actually heat them faster in some cases.
Also tried mixing it into a ghillie suit once... not fun to move around in
On point brother! The key is definitely spatial offset to prevent the heat transfer, nailed it. 👊
Outstanding presentation as always. You did a fantastic job of research. This was never taught ever in my time as an infantryman in my career. This should be taught at both the Army and Marine infantry schools as a basic cirriculum for setting observation posts and fighting positions.
certain weather condition, when humid or in fog/mist can also make thermal scopes next to useless, conversely in cold crisps conditions it works better than normal,
Great video man. I agree natural vegetation and overhead cover is the best option
Best defense against a thermal sensor will always be smart use of dead space. In my testing(videos on my channel) i've found that a woobie poncho provides the best wearable signature mitigation that isn't overly encumbering because the material doesn't cling to the body (maintaining some level of offset) and is insulating. There will be hot-spots near the shoulders, where the weight of the garment presses it down onto your body, but you can cut a piece of reflectix insulation to wear over your shoulders and around your neck to prevent this. I usually throw my USGI poncho ontop of the woobie since it's better at matching the ambient temperature.
Was waiting for this sort of video for a long time. Very informative and wholesome. Thank You.
A rectangular piece of perspex to fit inside your pack. Maybe shoulder width wide. You can use it as a viewing port in a concealed LP/OP from the prone position. Gives you a clear view but blocks your thermal signature. Throw some overhead cover up and you're good.
Thanks for vital information about how to mitigate thermal energy signature.
Totally helpful in understanding the differences in camo cover for thermal mitigation. Thank you for putting that info together.
The mesh material is called hessian, it's what British mailbags used to be made from.
Thermal signature is about ambient temps and achieving that with clothing. Contrasting temps at the extremes end of either spectrum are far more difficult and in those cases breaking up the signature will be the most you can hope for while still being mobile.
H O O A H - Well done as always Brent - drive on hero !
Yeah thermal and night optical devices has advance a lot. Definitely a good video. Thanks for sharing
Thank you for creating this video.
Great video! This is something I've been curious about for a while having watched a lot of footage out of Ukraine.
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Good solid info as always!
Definitely some smart ideas. I have a cheap thermal and it's useful but it's not x-ray vision.
@@Kinetic.44 that's true. I was trying to hide it but my thermal can see through walls too. I'm watching you right now.
@@dn88sexcept for those times you appear to reach over and take a drink of something......
@@Kinetic.44 That's false, thermal can't see through walls. That's not how it works.
There is a device that can detect objects through walls using radio waves much like sonar, however it only works physically against the wall and it doesn't produce an image, only hot spot lines. Israel is pretty much the only country that uses it.
Interesting and informative, as always! 👍
Amazing video! Thank you
Outstanding!
fascinating problem set of the modern battlefield
@6:15 I heard the crow counting; did you know they talk in digital?
Thank you😺
@brent0331, what brand was that last Cammie net at 9:00min?
Great info, thanks
Very informative as always. Thank you
Love your thoughts on the new holosun RD/thermal sight
Could you do a video on water insertion
Look at Russian Ratnik shelter. Good piece of kit.
Excellent video
Thankyou, excellent video!
I have used the beez combat systems spectraflage thermal blanket with great results!!
They make great kit.
Everyone knows that you can achieve the same thing with a flannel shirt. Plus flannel makes you flick your safety on and off a lot faster.
That's a pricey bit of kit!
Best thing to do (obviously) is get thermals if you can, find someone who has them, or get everyone in your group (you should have a group) to chip in. Make a list of everything and everyway you can think of to test what works and what doesn’t.
Bottom line, that's the only way to do it. That's the only way to be confident. We all know how powerful thermals can be but, until you get out there and hands on you're at a disadvantage.
Interesting stuff. I like the videos where you explain and show gear, rather than just hiding in it. (that is still interesting though) Regards JB. UK/South Coast. 👌
Tbf, he usually does the hiding vids after he does a video taking about it, which is nice to see how the camos work in the field
What was the smaller weapon mounted thermal in the begining half of the video?
Good video but one item I don't hear anyone talking about that would work good against thermal is glass or any clear plastic. Thermal cannot see through it at all. Not something you would probably carry on you but would be good to use for a LP/OP setup. I got several 13"x18" clear pvc table top covers for $12 off Amazon. Its very flexible, easy to form to any shape, waterproof, probably more durable than a tarp b/c they are usually thicker and you can see through it. Probably would need to use other cover like camo nets or natural vegetation in front it so you're not see by the naked eye. Maybe even spray a little camo paint on it to reduce light reflection.
High end thermals can see through thin plastic sheets. That's how the Boston marathon bomber was caught when the helicopter spotted him in a boat under a tarp. My SkeetIR will see through an umbrella at close range.
@@DaveSmith-cp5kj at 5 yards away an 8k thermal scope can't see thur the plastic table covers I got. Buy they're about an ⅛ thick.
@@Soildus Oh yeah not that thick. I mean actual sheet. Like painters cloth kind of material.
In Infantry AIT in 1982, we were told to NEVER iron our BDU’s because they were impregnated with chemicals that help to reduce our thermal signature. Anyone else hear that? Subbed
You can’t iron it but you can wash it in a washing machine? Doesn’t make much sense
@@Rokaize Sure it does. An iron applies a lot more heat to the fabric than a washer or dryer. Since the dawn of time, uniforms were required to be pressed or ironed and creased, so that was a major break from tradition. The military does not break tradition without good reason. Did you serve?
@@lowandslow3939 yes I did. And heard similar bizarre advice in the Navy. They told us in boot camp that we can’t use our NWUs (naval working uniforms) in salt water because there’s a special dye in the fabric that turns yellow when exposed to salt. To signal for rescue in case you went overboard.
Makes absolutely no sense. What happens if you sweat in your working uniform? Does it turn yellow? No. It was just some fallacious anecdote someone dreamed up
And in your example, yeah an iron might apply more heat but if that’s a concern then surely being soaked and blasted with chemicals like bleach would result in issues for the special fabric
I never heard of what you're talking about. however, I did hear them say that we weren't supposed to use starch on our uniforms while pressing it because it would make our uniforms IR signature stand out. However, try being a Marine in the woodland utilities era and not having a pressed starched uniform in garrison. We all used it.
@@Rokaize That bright yellow stain at the crotch would be embarrassing.
great information
Could you do a post about the effectiveness of a usgi individual camo veil, for thermal?
Where did you get the woodland uniform ? Or did you have it made?
Perspex man it's awesome. No heat sig
SOL Survive Outdoors Longer Mylar sheet is quiet and tear resistant and inexpensive, I safety pin mine to a poncho liner
@brent0331, when are you going to test the new IANPAT?
Thanks for the hard work making this video, you crayon eater! LOL!!!!! Great material!
Do i have permission to put this info in writing and save it for other's i work wirh.
I have thermal and night-vision optics and I also have Anti-IR (IR resistant) clothing. The stuff wasn't cheap, but it's a must on the modern battlefield with drones and all the other garbage a guy has to watch out for these days.....
What brand did you buy, and how well did it hold up when you looked at it through thermals?
UF PRO, the Gen 3 stuff renders you virtually, invisible, but get your wallet out.@@BigJohnson-g3j
great info!
Cant wait for the drone video to come out!
Good show. Ya heard of agent orange ... the defoliant? Should peepses become an issue and be difficult to subdue due to natural vegetation, guess what.
Another issue, take a gander at google map and you'll notice that throughout much of the us, where once natural forest provided a habitat for creatures no longer exist but instead land stripped of such to provide for gmo crops for the manufacture of ... crap.
I believe that stuff is outlawed.
@@BigJohnson-g3j For public consumption, sure.
Formula been slightly altered, been renamed and repackaged with same end results. In any case, a contingency is in place to address difficult to get along with peepses.
Boom
Stay frosty, brothers
What is the name of the modern camp netting?
Hell, I've got a thermal overlay for my PVS14 in this day and age
Thoughts on scrim tied to/wrapped on the sleeves and pants?
Great timing like always!! Semper Fi
If past military thermals and night vision is available to civilians now so what does the Military have access to now?
Good stuff buddy!
Good stuff amigo.
Is the camo net SAAB barracuda??
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I saw a channel where a guy got some black concreting plastic como spray paited it up and was totally invisible
Nice intro! A poncho was my first thought; how well would a poncho worn as a cloak help to break up a man's shape while walking? As you point out, invisibility is pretty much impossible in the field, but anything that makes the wearer less noticeable is a help.
They IR/heat blocking spray paint but the companies that make it do not sell to civilians.
Is that this guy make a video bout training for army? Bout 3-5 strength type of trainings
Good stuff as always. Thank you
Thk u
In my experience I have found that you do not necessarily need to completely conceal your thermal signature so long as you have a good understanding of what the rest of your environment looks like in IR. In nature there are hot spots everywhere, and if you can break up the human outline enough such that you don't appear human or large enough to be human, this can be sufficient to fool the human observer using that technology to try to detect you. Unfortunately this means you need first-hand experience in knowing what your environment looks like at different times of the day under IR in order to effectively blend in. It is worth mentioning that one of mother nature's hot spots once fooled me into believing a man was in the prone observing the edge of a clearing right until I got close enough to step on him - only to find roots and dirt.
Saw a vid where a guy used one of those Mylar foil emergency blankets to hide from FLIR. Problem is you can’t move, you have to lay still under it.
ALSO, is there any information coming about covering the face? In your comparisons, your face stood out like a spotlight! I actually wonder if the old mosquito head nets would help.
Get a helmet cover and small cell bubble wrap, some burlap and some netting that strands of burlap can be woven through / into. Bubble wrap goes inside the cover (insulation) the burlapped netting over that (camo) set all this on your noggin & shoulders. Use glue to hold it all together.
It should (no means to test yet). Obviously we both recognize the temp gradient and stand-off distance. The mesh size is what will absorb or block most of that radiant temperature as glass does, though conduction from the body or exhalation would be the next concern.
Love the huge round guy waddling around. Must be a para militia😂
Being a civilian-owner of both thermal and IR NVG, I can attest that there is no ideal solution readily available to conceal us from both methods of observation, simultaneously - at least, not while on the move (without over-heating the individual). A prepared position is another matter, however.
Natural materials combined with things like "radiant barrier thermal insulation" (not space blankets) will work to a great degree, but only for aerial observation of a prepared position and you've still got to consider how you will observe your sector of responsibility from within your position without being observed from the ground. It's a tough nut to crack. Even one's breath and built-up body temps in a confined space can give you away. Yeah. It's a motherfucker!
Cover yourself with camo-covered anti-thermal and, under IR, you'll look like a walking shrub, right? Without the camo cover, you'll reflect and look like a neon light! Neither is ideal, I wouldn't think.
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Major majorum ❤
Thermal availability has changed the game . That and drones warfare will never be the same
Thermal blankets will no shit hide your heat signature
At the end of the day it’s about stand off added to breaking up the shape of the blocking material
Take two woobies sow them togetjer with 2 space blankets in between then net and gillie use veg wen u got full kit and pack it keep off ur body and allows air between u and the inner liner can be used for over head cover as well just rig like a poncho over a fox hole works great give it a try
If the big game can beat FLIR, you can too.
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you just our camo dude...
Very interesting!
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I can’t find that cammo netting mesh can some one tell me we’re to find it thanks
Yeah, I've watched intently the goings on in Ukraine. The Russians investment in thermal tech is pretty crazy.
We've seen with hog hunters here in the states it being used to great effect. The fact that thermal units are becoming less expensive means it's going to become prolific. If it hasn't yet already.
There's a former Army SGM SOF guy on Primary and Secondary, Chuck Pressburg that has talked about not wanting to give up the battle space of IR illumination and lasers. But what I'm seeing in Ukraine it's 100% passive. Analog NV isn't going away. But I think the day of illuminating a target with IR flood and lasers is. I'm sure if you are dominating the battle space then it doesn't matter. But in a near peer situation. No bueno.
Biggest thing I'm seeing in Ukraine however that's annoying AF! Is the lack of slings being used. On both sides. Complacency is another. Most assaults are in the daytime and dudes are not wearing their gear.
Another thing that is astounding me is the Russians ability to produce weapons of war. The Ukrainians with drones and ATGM's like the Javelin have destroyed 2,400 armored vehicles. Now they are saying the Russians are refurbishing older T72's, T80's and T90's. While producing 100 new tanks a month. And have the capacity if need be to produce 250 a month. 😮
The US can only produce 20k of 155mm a month. Russia can produce +200k. Of 152mm and 122mm.
The US can only produce 14k of MLRS rockets a year. Russia can produce 30k a month.
I've also read where it behooves you to be a volunteer in the Russian Army. If you are conscripted you get minimal training. And get sent out the door to Ukraine. If you volunteer the pipeline and training takes months. B team and A team. It's mostly B team fighting in Ukraine. A team is getting ready for NATO. Russia is said to be averaging 30k a month into the Army. 16k are volunteers. And it is said the Army has had a goal end strength of 1.3 million. But with NATO looming. Have bumped it up to 2.2 million. Having 7 300k autonomous Army groups.
There's a book circulating that was written by Soldiers and PMC Wagner for new troops that's been circulating on how to get along in Ukraine.
Food for thought SGT Major.
Mass producing weapons of war faster than everyone else has been the Russian specialty since ww2.
1. No one in Ukraine is using IR lasers or illuminators. Unless they want to die. Anyone who thinks using NVGs with an IR laser against a peer or near peer adversary is just delusional.
2. Not everyone wants or needs to use slings. It depends on the environment. Slings were rare in Vietnam and the numerous African bush wars. Not everyone needs them or wants them.
3. The Ukrainians haven’t destroyed that many vehicles with atgms and drones. Those are losses. That could mean they ran out of fuel and abandoned the vehicle. If you look at most of the losses they are due to being abandoned or mines and artillery. Atgms and drones are all fine but neither of them is the main factor. Especially with the severe amount of Russian EW.
4. The numbers you’re using are highly questionable. They are clearly from the Russian government themselves. Which I have no idea why you believe them
NATO and the US itself are using a fraction of the military budgets on this war. And Russia still has issues with production. Ukraine does need foreign aide however. They simply can’t produce a lot of their own equipment. While Russia more or less can. But wel see how long Russia can keep up its war economy.
5. The Russian A team isn’t getting ready for NATO. Russia has all hands on deck for this war. They have mobilized for the first time since WW2. They are in no position to hold people back for NATO (whatever that means). NATO isn’t going to attack Russia. NATO isn’t remotely interested in fighting Russia. Nor is the US. This is simply a great and cheap way to severely damage Russia, a major geopolitical rival. It’s a great option. We spend 2% of our military budget or utterly obliterate the Russian military and destroy their reputation worldwide. There’s no need to send troops or get involved in a nuclear conflict.
Again, NATO isn’t attacking Russia and will not. Russia has no one in reserve for NATO especially since they are struggling, and have for 2 years now, to come up with the manpower necessary to prosecute this war.
So basically throw some camo and netting over your position so you don’t get clapped
Much needed nice Yut!
Good stuff.
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Why not just upgrade to the mk1 gen 2 mod 0 eyeball? It's bionic! Just blink to activate. S. Austin.....
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