KARANAK ARRIVES! New Gameplay Mode, MASSIVE UI Improvements, and Much More! Patch 5.1 Analysis
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
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This patch also updated the lord selection screen, either by upgrading the graphic or making a whole new animation for the lord. Some lords were updated on last patch (Malekith, Morathi, Tyrion) but since I forgot who else got it the last time, I'll just list down all the changes:
Repanse de Lyonesse
Crone Hellebron, Lokhir Fellheart, Malus Darkblade, Rakarth
Thorek Ironbrow
Markus Wulfhart
Tyrion, Teclis, Alarielle the Radiant, Alith Anar, Eltharion the Grim, Imrik
Lord Mazdamundi, Krog-Gar, Tehenhauin, Tiktaq'to, Gor-Rok, Nakai the Wanderer
Wulfrik the Wanderer, Throgg
Queek Headtaker, Tretch Craventail (my favourite, running away even in the character selection lol), Ikit Claw, Deathmaster Snikch, Throt the Unclean
Settra the Imperishable, High Queen Khalida, Arkhan the Black
Luthor Harkon, Count Noctilus, Aranessa Saltspite, Cylostra Direfin
Sisters of Twilight
No updates for greenskin, beastmen, vampire count, and the warhammer 3 base races. As someone who plays all factions and enjoy starting new campaigns, I appreciate this.
(Lokhir Fellheart still can't stop stabbing his own foot 😓)
I'm going to try out the new bolt throwers. Give em the rune that gives them homing they will probably wreck even fast cav. I think with 8 models now giving them the explosive ammo rune, they are going to shred infantry, too.
Thorek stays winning
@tomayto70 Kinda forgot about him. I guess he gets the built-in seeking rune. Could double up effects with him. I was originally thinking Belagar because he gets a 20% damage buff skill. Or Malakai, who gets all sorts of passive aoe buffs and damage, accuracy, and reload abilities.
Only 2 hours!? So disappointed
What a friggin tease
@@nasir6r996 Watching a Sotek video and still having free time left after, it's just unnatural I tell you.
I grew up on the mean streets of Tuleta, TX and we had a saying about those who complained about the heat in Texas.........unfortunately, I'm old and cant remember what it was.
But, I assure you, it was scathing.....
I would sell a toe in order to play the original campaign maps in game 3 to play the old world with the new warhammer 3 changes would be so much fun.
I do also hope they re-add the scout ruins but maybe just have random events happen almost like a dnd thing.
True as long as they don't bring back that dial puzzle with the lines
This patch seems oddly tailored to my preferences as a custom battle enjoyer.
Domination is HUGE, i liked the survival battles as well but they got repetetive a bit too fast, so this will be a nice mixup between/alongside land battles.
Additionally the ability to bring multiple lords is also gonna be verry interesting for thematic armies (teclis and tyrion, drycha and durthu etc).
Besides all that MAYBE the thunderbarge is now at a powerlevel where i dont feel bad about using it.
21:01 speaking on Behalf of "people who Dont have friends" hahahahha i am happy they have finally Done this. Hahahah
Thorek Ironbrow campaign is going to be significantly different with the Bolt Thrower changes
I respect this patch, even if I'm not into MP. It seems to be a chunky drop of content for that scene, which is nice, but to otherwise be focused on UI, UX, and readability fixes, which I love. Reminds me of the Potion of Speed patch back in WH2, where they released less FLC than expected, but focused their efforts on big QoL improvements that were super worth it.
How about Transformation of Kadon overcast giving you an Elemental of Beasts?
I love these long videos, thank you for your care and detail❤
Thanks for the recap!
This looks like a really good sign for game health. Thrones returned a lot of hope to the community but after all that's happened that hope was still tenuous. This and the next DLC announcement though both seem to be strong signals of follow through. All of these improvements people have been asking for for so long. A ton of nice tweaks and rebalances. The fact that they are allowing the cmunity to dictate what they want by leaning on popular mods who have done a lot of the heavy lifting for them, and then properly crediting those modders.
All of this really feels like a genuine and good faith effort to mend the bridges burned. Good on CA.
Most important question, "can you pet the demon doggo?"
You were able to in TW: TROY, so hopefully.
"Oh I'll just watch this quick Patch Note video", 2 hours later...
I still think CA is shooting for 08/08 for the khorne dlc launch
@08:08:08am too
@@mikemcguinness92 that would be a true thing of beauty lol
Greasus should be twice his current size xD in lore he just gulped a tyrant and his current tummy clearly can't hold a full tyrant.
Now to see them code conditions into campaign map battles. Domination should be the default for river crossing and bridge battles.
And they could totally sell DLC mini-campaigns. Imagine one set on the empire but focusing on Vlad's attempt to conquer the empire, or a campaign where grimgor frees all the greenskin slaves from the chaos dwarves.
your post made me aware of the patch and it feels really good to hear about the changes. Thanks!
RIP my hochland scope engineers. we had a good run, but fun never lasts forever.
True.
They could have just stopped the stacking while keeping the buff
So happy the multiplayer community if finally getting a some love in game 3
Yeah by nerfing a bunch of shit lmao
Best update we've seen in a long time. Can't wait for when they start implementing domination and free for all in the campaign as well. These are the kind of updates I want to see, quality of life updates not just unnecessary content spams.
Who left this on as they downloaded the patch? :)
I actually uninstalled cuz all my mods are gonna be broken for a couple weeks again lmao. I'll wait a little and then reinstall.
I've been asking for the dropdown menu all the missing minor factions added for custom battles forever, so I'm definitely happy!! The minor factions I mostly hope they added are Karak Izor for Dwarfs, Dervingard Garrison & Kislev Expedition for Kislev, Necksnappers & Gloomy Woodz for Greenskins and lastly Great Eagle Tribe for Tzeentch.
Multiple lord's can be attached to the army now ?
ca should also change the size of the high elves dragons to mach the lore better
So overall, the bolter thrower got a ~50% increase in damage against small targets, and a ~150% increase against large tagets. 😳
Well I got Karnak but he won't do anything. He won't join an army or attack an enemy army, character or location. Anyone else having this problem?
did they ever fix the Norscan vassal issue for Champions of Chaos yet?
man, that buff to putting things on walls is insane, I might actually use gun units to defend settlements for once...
Bad Dog Good. Take a bite outa order tide?
Would be a lot of work on their end, but I wonder if they could implement a draggable bar for items, banners and defeat traits. I hear a lot of talk about how weak and pointless these can be, but then when CA come out with something powerful, it tends to have what feels like the opposite reaction that they probably expect. Granted yes Tamurkhans defeat trait when viewed along side most of the others looks a tad OP, so maybe it is time they try to give a bar that allows the player to really crank up items, banners and defeat traits if they like, or keep them normal where they have far less impact in your game.
Ah yeah! Early birthday present! Too bad I’m playing Elden Ring and have mandatory overtime at work. Dx
I hear that as someone also from Texas the heat is murder
Based on these wood elf changes it's time for the Wild Hunt!
You are the only one who loved the puzzles of the old ones in WH2^^
I liked them too. I'd always scout one before colonizing it. Free stuff is free stuff. Even if you dislike it and never interact with the mechanic, It is definitely better to have it than having nothing to interact with.
Which of the chaos heroes can Archaon not get?
I believe all except Kayzk (or how the hell you spell his name) which is exclusively for Tamurkhan?
@@kubka4He doesn't count, he is a nurgle heroe, not a chaos heroe
@@draconomega Don't really understand what's the difference? Archaon is undivided so he gets all Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeetzch and Khorne heroes except Kayzk
@@kubka4 He is exclusively of the Demonic Nurgle faction. Because as many things as they share, both the Demonic and Warriors of chaos factions have things they don't share
@@draconomega Yeah, that's why I'm mentioning him as exception, because he's the only chaos legendary hero that isn't available to Archaon, from my knowledge.
I remember it wasn't that long ago people were talking about Warhammer III being dead. Honestly on the internet people are just constantly hyperbolic, I'm at the point now where I think it's not worth believing anything you hear on the internet, it's the hub of misinformation.
new to the web hey
I'm glad to see updates and the roadmap will be interesting
@@tristanbuckley7730 I'm just glad the naysayers are wrong, I get sick of people saying 'this is dead' or 'that is dead' it's like they want things to fail. Creative Assembly had a bit of a blip that's all, not that they don't deserve criticism especially with the overpriced DLC's but this idea they were just going to drop the ball and do nothing about it was so ridiculous.
@@lloroshastar6347 You hit the nail on the head. A significant part of this community has decided that they *want* CA to fail out of whiny, temper-throwing pettyness because they were inconvenienced once.
At the time CA was working on thus game called Hyenas. You may have heard of it. Now it's been cancelled and Warhammer is their only real moneymaker so they have no choice but to re-orient. Warhammer support was poor and it was rightfully called out, dont act like there was nothing that made CA suddenly start dropping patches faster than ever.
@@DokturProfesur I'm not denying that, I said it's hyperbolic to call Warhammer 3 'dead', which a lot of RUclipsrs and sh*tposters were saying. They do this all the time, not just with Warhammer or even games, I mean there are weirdos boycotting 40k over the option of female custodes, these people are the ones I'm calling out, the people who pretend to be fans but really they want franchises to fail.
Yet the Age of Reckoning gauge is still not fixed.
If ruins are occupied but the faction occupying hasn't built the first tier of settlement building they should be able to hide within them, maybe using ambush stance. Scouting ruins would become important to check for hidden armies before marching closer and yes bring back empty scout ruin events.
High corruption in area could give a chance ruins to become infested with a small rebel faction hidden within. It would buff the skaven in MP campaigns making it way harder to predict what they occupy. Also I would love some different faction encounters when searching islands, Vampire pirates over and over gets so boring.
maybe too many nerfs...this patch doesn't really make me excited for much. I like that they're finally giving us something though.
Well, dwarfs had something nice for a while at least. Doesn't surprise me those elgi lovers.....
happy for the 3 people who play multiplayer haha... no seriously good changes
A nice patch. I am not quite sure about Vlad, but most things here do make sense to me.
Thanks for the video
Finally, someone outside of CA that hates realistic battles. I finally have some reasons that all of their tournaments are those garbage Zone capturing things! I absolutely disagree with them, but now I know what they are.
😅 I personally find the three zone mini game boring. I think the point of battle simulators is to realistically simulate battle, where a general can and should take any advantage. I have never been able to sit through a Total Warhammer 3 tournament, Every battle turns out identical. I swear the only advantage is keeping the battles short, so they can do them live. But CA already gave up on trying to host the battles live because there were always technical difficulties, so participants play them out on their own time and send in the save. CA has given us an amazing grand strategy campaign and battle simulator, but has yet to host a tournament for either of them.
Overall a very welcome patch but man oh man did they do Vlad and Malus dirty. And talk about overnerf on the Tamurkhan trait. Went from best in the game to "actively avoid", djeez. Middle groud would have been nice!
What? Why would you actively avoid his new trait. Its not bad at all and a lot closer to what it should always have been.
@@FUNBadTime I absolutely agree that the original trait was too much but this new one is just super low impact and BORING ...and steals a trait slot(I'm assuming the trait limit is still in place).
Why would you actively avoid 15% extra experience for all heroes in an army and an extra recruitment slot?
Vlad was fine in my opinion Malus needed a nerf in all my games he would dominate the chaos waste.
@@maddragon7363I feel like in general Heroes tend to level up pretty quickly already, and once you reach max levels with your heroes (or reach a point where you run out of skills that are worth investing in) then it becomes somewhat subpar. The single local recruitment slot is decent though, especially if you’re playing a race that does get a lot of recruitment slots early on.
> Nerf Tamurkhan (defeat trait and himself)
> Nerf Vlad
> Nerf Hochland Scopes for the Empire
WOW THAT SO MUCH MORE FUN NOW GUYS!
Yeah…
Lol
Buff tomb scropions,
give hierotitan more spells,
make ushabti better
WOW THAT SO MUCH MORE FUN NOW GUYS
@@123fakestreettt To be honest, giving T5 unit +1 spirit leech is nothing compared to reducing to ash one of the most unique traits in the game. Giving 20% spell resistance to tomb scorpions also not that exciting considering SEM are not that vunerable to spells in the first place.
@@123fakestreettt how does the CA meat sabre taste?
Sorry but the thunderbarge nerf and dwarf warrior recruitment changes are terrible.
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Insanely huge patch but.... Some nerfs and some buffs really are unnecessary/random af and will just ruin the overall experience.
Saytang for example got literally deleted to the ground.
Imagine CA destroying (he literally will be trash af after nerfs) a DLC LH just because in a mp mode THAT WILL BE REMOVED from the game he was actually shining (because too many units were easy to abuse due to box camp.)
It's sad. The official/real competitive mode is dominion anyway, where Saytang/cathay struggle and barely have 50% wr. Almost nobody pick him because too hard to get his 2600gold value back.
You can't destroy and delete a unit from the game just because it was shining in a mode that will not even be a mode anymore. It's pointless and completely unlogical.
At this point just separate SP and MP, and actually nerf/buff things based on actual competitive avg wr% of every faction (*COUGH COUGH Kislev still dominating with 70%+ wr since fkng ages) and not target units just because they're good in a single mode (that will be removed anyway so completely pointless).
Idk, this is just wrong.
To be honest, if he's good in Land Battles then he'll be good in the new Conquest mode too so it's not going to be deleted. And he wasn't bad in Domination, just not as good as in Land Battles. And his ability (Wind Bow) was actually banned even in Dom. But I agree that some units really should be balanced separately from SP, him included.
@@kubka4 ehm no? his ability was never banned in competitive dom tournaments 😂, i've been following Turin (CA official.competitive caster) since ages and Saytang was never a huge problem in dom, can be easily flanked and surrounded by fast flank units and his ability was never banned. In fact players basically never picked him (or cathay anyway because not in meta) because his gold cost is way too high and way too risky, not worth. If u cant take at least his gold value back, u basically autoloss, 2600 way too much.
This extremely huge nerf to the ground, like Sotek and many other said, was way too much and unnecessary/undeserved.
@@RYUcaEU Turin literally said yesterday that it's been banned in tournaments when looking at the nerfs, but maybe he was mistaken? But he featured many games with Saytang including Changeling turning into Saytang on his channel so it's not true that nobody brought him.
@@kubka4 he was talking about land battles in community, not actual competitive gameplay in dominion.
Saytang, like many units are abusable in box camping formation so people usually tend to ban abusable things in land battle. That's why CA is removing it from.the game btw.
And that's also why the nerf was pointless since Cathay has 50% wr in competitive and Saytang def wasnt a problem.
@@RYUcaEU They're not removing it because of boxes lol. The boxes are still possible and legitimate in the new game mode. You just need to make sure to have the box in proper place, not in the corner.
Karanak should have been a lord! Summon the elector fishmen to get revenge!
if you care for competitive mp, the new mode is as bad and cheesable as normal land battles. it also changes the meta completly to Dom meta because you are forced to rush to dance on poles. worst change since not including land battles on release.....and we all know where that was going. making the same mistake again is so dumb. why not just keeping the old modes and add a 3rd one? that wouldn't be a spit in the face for loyal lb lovers. there are enough players out there who like playing Land Battles as a core concept from TT. if you wanna play with objectives - we already have Domination.
Still waiting for them to fix sync kills
We'll see. As cool as it is though, it's infinitely lower on my wish list than things that would radically effect battles and campaign like dynamic weather.
They already have storms on ocean tiles. They can just change it to proc on all tiles, random chance to migrate, and different effects on different provinces like a rainstorm turning into a snowstorm when it moves into mountains.
I hate that their response is just make it weaker…
Most of the time, I tend to hate the obviously OP or cheesy stuff, so I am happy CA is taking an active look at things, after their releases to bring them to a healthier place, when they were previously overtuned.
How else do you want to balance it though? Yes, some things can be fixed with MP price, but not everything.
@@kubka4 price, I don’t think campaign enjoyers should suffer under the yoke under the minority of player actually playing multiplayer competitively…
Power creep has been too big. They had to do something
Have you considered that they plan on keeping an eye on things and adjusting where necessary.