Im with you. It led me to the existential thought of why do I play video games? I play video games to waste time, but I don't want a video game to waste my damn time. too many meaningless things that are not fun at all. It's a shame that I've been waiting for this game for a decade and I think it's shit.
i had the same reaction. multiple times i had to convince myself that the game was supposed to be challenging and not fun and couldn’t reason to myself why i was still playing it. i was just relived when i finished it; honestly another day and i never would have. there’s so much of the game i haven’t played and never will because i’m not revisiting it.
@Luigiplaya246 lol. Okay just making sure. The game isn’t bad but some of the elements do make it seem like it’s wasting your time. It’s long for the sake of the seventy dollars. lol.
It starts great but as the plot moves forward keeps getting worse to the crappy ending, what was the point of defeating fate of Aerith dies again? It’s a disgrace that they rather have a multiverse
My guess is that they were going to go down that road but after lots of people speculated and got upset about it, the company decided it was too big a risk. They had a chance to do something genuinely interesting, but they gotta make money I guess.
They could of left it open for two ending base on choice , that would of been the best deal, they could of left the good ending if u got all the things and missions. Like X2 @@Handles_are_garbage
@@Handles_are_garbagenaw i think all this will she ,wont she/will they, wont they stuff is intended to build interest for the last game. The problem is the more stuff they introduce the less important everything seems. They dramatized the sector 7 plate drop only to basically say it happened in one of 'x' amount of timelines and it really didnt matter. All this is clearly leading up to cloud having to decide between saving aerith and some great calamity happening or accepting aeriths death and saving the multiverse yada yada yada just to show the players that aerith had to die and death is part of life
I made it to chapter 9 and called it a day. It's a beautiful game with a lot to love and they clearly put a lot of care into the making of it. However, as someone who never played the original but enjoyed Remake, I just can't get past the fact that there is zero story. Every location you visit is just 'well, some random robed guys went there so i guess we should too and we can kill time at the beach or the arcade because hey, the world threat can wait. And once we're done doing stuff that has nothing to do with our goal we'll move to the next place. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum'.
The 90 hours of gameplay in both Rebirth and Remake account for roughly 30ish hours of the original 1997 game. And that game had random encounters for 5 of those hours. There were way better paced plot points in the original, and character mysteries kept the player engaged. In Remake/Rebirth, a lot of those mysteries are spoiled by sephiroth dropping in every 2 hours for some exposition or vague threats. Should have been one game as a 1:1 remake, 90 to 100 hours max, 60 hours without the chaff. Square Enix has been a bad game developer for a long time and it really shows with how they have fumbled the easiest slam dunk in game making history.
The story is a convoluted mess of a trendy mystery box plotline, a form of storytelling that is GROSSLY overused in media these days, which streaming services are particularly to blame for it. The open world is a large void of nothingness, with absolutely nothing interesting or fun to do that's interesting, and only exists for the mere sake of having an open world to please the people who would've complained if it wasn't open world. The combat is overly complex and tedious, and twists the brain in all the worst ways due to its insistence on trying to create a hybrid of action and turn-based (again, to try and get people to not complain) that simply does not work. The side activities are generic and uninteresting, with side quests that offer little to no incentive to get involved in them while also having WAY too many of them. Not to mention the mini games being way too high in number, and are NOT fun at all most of the time (I will not budge from the opinion that Queens Blood is hands down the worst card game in the series, and that includes freaking TETRA MASTER). None of these things are being done well, the way the devs handled the story, characters, world, gameplay, all of it is bad. Granted it's not awful, I've played far worse games, this is certainly no Sonic 06. But it's definitely not good either. And this is before mentioning how ridiculously fanservicey this freaking game is. Holy shit people, can we please go one damn minute without Tifas boobs taking center stage somehow?? Good Lord... Anyway, I consider Rebirth to be fairly average. If I had to put a number on this game, I'd say it's a 6/10. It does a lot of things wrong, but does have a few redeeming factors. The music is amazing, the graphical technology behind this game is mind-blowing, the characters are energetic and fun (Not a fan of Cloud though), and the voice acting is good. But sadly, to me the good simply does not outweigh the bad. Give me XVI any day, it was a far better game overall. If any modern FF game should set standards, it's XVI, not Rebirth. Also, I'm gonna say it. I think most of the love for this game stems from pure nostalgia. I can't help but wonder if y'all would still love the game this much if it had zero attachments to FF7 in any way.
Hi man just discovered your channel for the first time, but yes; very much agree with your review. It is "blurted the game". We should have gotten a ff9 remake although if this is what we can expect from square going forward I don't want a 9 remake anymore either honestly.
@@petebagwell6666 Yeah...why would people who played the original FF7, that is held as an icon of gaming, and pave the way for...basically ALL RPG's today (Especially JRPG's here in the West) complain when the "Remake" series don't get why it was such a masterpiece in the first place? What next, you're going to say people who complain about Disney Star Wars not understanding what made Geroge Lucas's Star Wars such an icon of film are "dead inside" and "can't be pleased by anything"?
As someone who didn’t play he original: I liked remake, I liked the story and I liked it being linear. In rebirth it feels like you barely get any story, I’m 25 hours in, at gold saucer and what have we done so far ? *SPOILER chapter 1-7* follow hooded men trying to find sephiroth and being hold up by random stuff that doesn’t play into the big picture. Oh and barret has an interesting backstory. That’s it , after 25 hours. Nothing more than that. I understand why people who played the OG liked this. Because what just feels empty for us or just a normal zone is for the OGS the interpretation of the low pixels 2d areas they played in the OG. I understand how this itself is a great experience. Is it a bad game, no. It is a slightly above average rpg with amazing story bits and cut scenes when they are there. From the perspective of someone who didn’t play the OG.
The best parts of the game are when it’s just hitting the og story beats, like when Barret explains his past and everyone is all somber then the extra scene with them in the gondola and Yuffie tries to cheer everyone up is so good, they absolutely shat the bed with the multiverse story BS, massive fail on the part of the devs, no one will be talking about this remake project in a few years whereas the Original will stand the test of time even though its graphically outdated
Of course it's not great. It's a trash fan fiction catered towards plebs with zero taste. Those clueless of the great story telling Sakaguchi delivered in the og FF7.
As a "hardcorist" FF fan who has played every mainline game in the series, I couldn't agree with your assessment more. Rebirth was a step backwards from Remake for all the aspects you mentioned. They could have filled the open world with much more compelling content than 7 zones of hunt and gather and hunts. The side quests in town were fun, made me feel like I was actually interacting with the world. Same with the protorelic quest, that is a truest to form FF side quest that you will find in the series. All the other junk is there just to fill time. I have 100+ hours on my save and probably half of that is just the time-buffer crap they filled the game with.
I love Rebirth. But you gotta remeber, The large Ps1 RPG had no content in the world map. It was only used for going from point A to point B. So, They added side content in the world. Otherwise it would just be large zones with monster and nothing in them for no reason. Which would be lame. Plus, SE at least said nothing is missable. You can do it at your own leisure. And dont have to grind it out. But hey, Not everyone will love everything. At least ya played it. 👍 And hopefully the 3rd game will speak to ya. Also, some of the things in the open world are semi pulled from aspects of the original game. Just done differently. Id say go back and play the Ps1 version. Maybe youll see some of it? Anyway, I love the game. And even if you didnt, You gave a fair opinion on it. Which you can have. Hopefully trolls dont fly in. Lol.
For me it was the way they did it. The first open world section seemed really cool. But by the 6th, still doing those towers and lifesprings and summon ruins and those silly chocobos and owls and stuff, it got really old. It felt more like I was playing some overpriced Ubisoft title rather than final fantasy. Add to that how they changed almost every part of the story with the aim to make it longer to pad out the run time, it just was a bit of a rubbish experience. They get some things right, the characters are mostly great, the battles, the music is mostly good (although even that got weird at times as they experimented too much). I dunno it’s just not FF7 really, it’s some extended universe millennial spin off.
These dudes want simple games with trash combat. Then they get that they will cry about how mid it was. You can’t please everybody. I remember when people was glazing XVI. The same crowd hating on Rebirth glazed FFXVI and when it was revealed to be lacking they magically jumped off of it to save face lmaoo. It deserves the hype whether the pessimistic crowd wants to admit it or not. Played the original and it took the content from it and added elements that made it better.
Everything you said, I have been saying! You just earned a subscriber and like because of such truth and you speak it instead of raging it. I truly felt the same way as you and I really liked that you are critiquing it and not just raging like some youtubers do it. For me this, is super overrated, at BEST a 7/10. And the way they interact, so many, so much slow ass cutscenes and they couldn't come up with more meaningful interactions between the characters. The best thing about FFs is the occasional random quips and interactions between the characters, and I just felt they were so tropey. Don't get me started with Cloud, even much more stoic than the OG. So many characters and the only intereactions they could come up with were with Cloud. How about make some interactions between Tifa and Yuffie? or Aerith and Barret? They barely interact with each other. You got all these slow ass forced in-game cutscenes that they couldn't insert a random conversation here and there? And the maps? 5 copy paste regions of each other. Oof. Only things that were phenomenal were of course, the graphics, and the fcking music. The latter because of course Masashi Hamauzu (FFXIII composer) was in charge. Always nails it out of the park with his scores.
People really need to just let go and stop trying to relive the original. The remake series is NOT INTENDED to be consumed as if it's the original. The pacing is fine, the story is great, the character depth is 100x better than it ever was in the original, and it also answers a ton of questions from the originals. People complaining about this game is a literal case of "can't please everybody". Also I highly doubt you've "finished" the game. 100% it, then say you've completed it, the "story" is just an element of it. Complaining about "padding" and such when the original RELIED on padding with things such as the chocobo grind or the omnislash grind. Seeing people complain that they actually got a "full" game instead of a "storybook" is honestly an L for the FF7 community.
Agreed, I'm not having fun, until I am and then it's the best time ever! But as soon as you're loving it and enjoying it... They wedge in another mini game. I'm a huge fan. Played the original in 1997, loved Remake enjoying Rebirths story but the pacing is awful!
I think the game was great until later on, specially the last few chapters , the story just kind of went in a direction that made me feel there is no point to it , the ending I feel they tried too hard to make a twist in the plot and it’s a mess is all I will say
I've finished FF7 17 times so I consider myself hardcore. But I agree with you. This game was a waste of my time and an insult to the original material.
For me the game feels like a giant vacation.... The game doesn't make you feel at home.. Instead its more like "remember this?" "Remember that?" And were like "uh... Is this it?"
I can tell from the first 5 hrs it doesn't feel as tight as the first one. Makes me wonder how they are going to wrap this up in one more game. Remake and rebirth are just the first 3rd. But this game pads it out with soo many dumb quests and the stupid card game.
The first 2 games are not the first third of the original, dummy. The 3 discs from 1997 are not equal. The vast majority of the story and video files were on disc 1. Disc 2 introduced a couple new areas, and a whole bunch of minigames, sidequests, revisiting old locations. Disc 3 was the final dungeon and a boss fight.
It's your opinion and that's great! Personally, I loved OG, loved Remake and I'm really, really really enjoying Rebirth... And I think I'm very fortunate not to think the way you do :P... Oh well... Gotta continue on my journey with Cloud and company!
I'm finding myself agreeing with this. I'm not super far but the moment you leave junon, the games tone is serious for maybe 10 minutes out of the next 4 hours. The rest of that 4 hours really just feels like filler. There are soooo many design choices that seem to exist for the sole purpose of making something take longer. To their credit, they have made these tasks feel somewhat fun. But it feels like cheap slot machine fun. Bright lights and pleasant sounds to give you a hit of dopamine without any real substance. Ff7 rebirth has felt more like a spin off game designed around a carnival philosophy than anything else. Im praying it gets better. Really enjoyed the first two regions but chapter 3-6 has really been wearing me down with virtually zero narrative push in 3 whole chapters and forced mini game after mini game.
@@phoenixdown1947 Really. Turning a simple task like carrying boxes into an hour long mini game isn't grinding/random encounters. You tried tho. Not sure what you tried but it was something 😂
So I’m like more than halfway into the game and I have some gripes with it: - Side quests are tedious and awful, many of them are fetch quests. Some are downright atrocious - The Chadley stuff is annoying. While I do like some of the variety in the protorelic stuff, it’s not nearly enough to save them. - And this is personal but I’m not a fan of the minigames and how they were handled.
ong too much time wasted esp at early game (felt the same with remake), so true in saying if they just did a linear straight forward game it would be so much more enjoyable
just watching the cutscenes and not playing the game i agree with the lack of focus in the story progression of the game, ff7remake also had filler/padding but in rebirth theres too mcuh and it makes the overall expereince borrring
You have the problems that i have. I'm tired of the intel, and the towers, crystal scanning.. ugh.. its the thing that kills me. I had so much fun at the Gold Saucer though its was long but i had so much fun. I hope the intel is gone in part 3.
The thing that annoys me the most is the fact that the game feels like a massive chore, you just walk while the characters are talking then you're forced to play a bunch of annoying minigames in order to procceed with the plot, not to mention the atrocious ending and the extreme padding, Remake was extremely linear but it's better than this game, more content doesn't mean better game, what's the point of having more content if most of it it's just dull
Oh boy these comments are something else. This man has a honest opinion. But because its not mindless praise, the fandom see it as a attack? One thing ive noticed is the fandom will jump to name calling and other shallow attacks when ever had someone has the slightest critique. i had hope the fandom wouldve matured by rebirth, but apartently four years still wasnt enough time for people to learn to disagree respectfully.
It's more along the lines is that he's complaining about not liking things that are optional in the game to start with. He wanted a linear experience. He can have that. Once he realized that he wasn't getting much main story out of the Open World activities, all he had to do was stop doing them and focus on the story. If his review was more along the lines of "If you didn't like Open World design before, FFVII Rebirth won't change your mind" that would be different.
@@PCgamerChannel Every bit of Rebirth excited me as a concept, all the quests, open world exploration, background stories, even the updated plot... after loving Remake and being a fan of the og game, I had ever higher hopes... but turns out, it was a game about a dude named Chadley and his sidekicks who climb into towers to fetch some stuff, and that's about it :) Chadley never stops talking, never stops interrupting you and EVERYTHING involves him somehow. It's so wasteful when you had a whole host of original playable characters who could have replaced him in all those side quests.
Just release another ATB/turn based World of Final Fantasy style game and give it a damn number after the title. Call it Final Fantasy 17 -.- it’d be a hit.
I didn't like it either. It was so boring and made me depressed as hell. I'm tired of developers doing the same ol shh. I wish they would've done something new.
I'm a faaaaaan of the ff series. And 7 is my favorite...rebirth is mini game, the game. Holy shit I CANT. The tone is off. The jokes are plentiful. And I hate it...the battle and advancement system is TERRIBLE this time around. I liked remake...this...this is just bad.
Nailed it nailed it! found the open world just too confusing with far too much going on without aim or direction open world games just bore the shit outta me.
Ngl chapter 11 took the hype away from me i loved it till late chapter 10 then 12 started and i just wanted to end it now its a slow incline to get better im on 12 rn and oh muh gosh and i wish we played a zack more hopfully a dlc will let us do that play as zack and let that be a long dlc Edit: I have finished it and now my opinions different this game was really fun and the areas that i was stuck on wasnt bad I was just underpowerd and making mistakes cause i was angry this play through i will be more prepared
The open world in rebirth is boring as hell. Dude isn’t wrong They messed up this game big time. Been a fan since original ff7. This game just doesn’t make me want to play it. The open world boring ass click this, throw that, remember this sequence got old EXTREMELY FAST. And to top it off, 99.9% of the rewards are atrocious. Games not a contender at all
@@Sp8man00 I wish this wasn’t the case, but sadly it is. To extend on issues- Weapons are garbage, the 1st weapon of the game is the best weapon until the end of the game, only unlocking boring skills that you more than likely will never use anyways… Let’s not start with the item transmuter…Jesus having to dig with Chocobos and sniff around to get subpar and mediocre equipment and rewards just doesn’t feel like a final fantasy game to me There’s no hidden AMAZING weapons or materia…just hidden ways to get to the boring towers and check lists to check off JESUS I’m so disappointed in the direction they took this game in. It’s not a good direction, even the story was butchered with the multiverse bullshit
After I finished FF VII Remake and Rebirth, a friend recommended XV to me. And I have to say that the 15 has grown on me even more than any other part I've played. I love open world, the battle system (I don't use the waitmode) and I don't even need to start with the Regalia (all versions). And the OST gave me chills. Especially “Apocalypse Noctis” When I think of FFVII's graphics, the wall jpg of Midgar is always the first thing that comes to mind. In the 15th, everything is "alive" up to the horizon and the day-night cycle also brings in dynamism. And I also particularly like the little things, such as Noctis getting dirty from fighting and fishing, or his hairstyle no longer being neat due to the rain. I also like the dynamic between the guys more. In the 7, I'm particularly bothered by the whining and pushy nature of Tifa's character. The story of 15 is a bit confusing, I don't want to contradict that, but since I know or have all the media around, I can figure out the connections. The story of 7 is largely known, but now the changes make the story more complicated for players who know the original. As far as linear the chapters go after leaving Altissia before arriving Insomnia,And I thought it was really good that it had the chance to travel back into the past again, for example to take a deep breath before the journey with the bros came to an end. And I actually enjoyed doing that again. FF VII Rebirth is no different, only that here there really is no turning back. The campfire scene at the end of FFXV killed me. Just the boys and the crackling of the fire. There is no need for dramatic musical accompaniment to make this scene so emotionally powerful. Which was already introduced very well in Crisis Core. And brought tears to my eyes in both. 😭 Since I've found Zack to be my favorite FFVII character since Crisis Core, I'm naturally very excited to see how he fits into the whole story. All in all, I'm really looking forward to the third part of the 7. But the 15 will probably remain number one for me for the time being.
Too many fucking mini-games, otherwise everything else was excellent, a big improvement over Remake which was great. I've never played the OG or Crisis Core.
I understand people don’t like some aspects of it. But my personal overall experience was positive. With the exception of Gongaga (I hated that region) and how they ruined Cid’s introduction, I honestly had so much fun with the game. Remake on the other hand is a pile of sh**.
I played all ff games since X and since XV I'm getting disappointed continously (except for XIV. That's just a masterpiece on a way too old engine) by every single new game. XVI was nice but all great characters died and I hated the ending. VII Remake was just a pain in the ass cause I'm not used to only be allowed to explore on a very tight leash and the game itself was so slow in terms of story development. But I wanted to finish it to be ready for the next title. Which is...damn. Awful. The story drags even more, you could've deleted like 10h of "story" especially in the beginning, technically all open world chores and half the mini games and I would've loved the game it to tears. But like this it's so hard to keep my interest up to finish it. I don't know the original but I'm tempted to play it only for the story which makes me feel absolutely nothing in the new game. Sure there are some nice scenes. I love the new design, the music is awesome as always, the world looks beautiful (if you ignore the floor level design in gongaga where half of the time I just wondered how to get to places) and there's just so much potential. But instead we get a "open world" which is even worse than Ubisoft (hell that's bad. That's just sooo bad!), annoying side characters (chadley and Mai, I'm looking at you), sadley very mixed quality voice acting in German (I should play it in English next time. Maybe that's better) and apart from the meaningless side quests which add absolutely nothing to the overall lore except for those few where the main charas tell you about themselves a bit there's just nothing interesting about this game until Cosmo Canyon! And that's what, 68% of "story progression". Wtf. It's getting more interesting now but it just makes no sense so far. Nothing makes sense. There are no connections, questions get asked and thrown away mid sentence to just leave the player in the mist. Damn I don't want to play anymore. But I want to finish it my to have more headspace and time again for better games. So that I can say I played it and let it rot in the closet until the last (and hopefully better) part gets released
I'm with you. It's not a terrible game, and there are a lot of things I liked about it. but I did not enjoy it nearly as much as Remake. My biggest issues with the game was just too long and had too much bloat and padding. They decided to go the ubi soft route and just put a bunch of filler in the game that didn't need to be there. It follows the ubi soft formula to a T. By the time I got to Chapter 12 of Rebirth I was burnt-out. I mean holy crap this game is long. I had to force myself to keep on playing in order to beat it. From Chapter 12 onwards I was just going through the motions. The main story of Rebirth could probably be beaten in 30 to 40 hours, however there is a lot of padding in the form of tacked-on mini games most of which are mandatory in order to progress in the story, its ridiculous. It's why i enjoyed Rebirth a lot less then Remake. Remake actually respected my time. It was more focused and streamlined Remake is a perfect example of sometimes less is more. after Rebirth, I needed a long break from open world RPGs. The best way to describe Rebirth is...just an exhausting game to play. The ending was very unsatisfying all that multi-verse nonsense just made the game's storyline a convoluted mess. and after I beat Rebirth, I feel the exact same way you do. My excitement for Part 3 is pretty much gone. I'll probably still play it but I am that excited for it. Oh and I hate Chadley. Screw that kid.
I just returned this game. I was about 10 hours in, and just wasn’t feeling it. Im tired of games that have you climb towers, and unveil more of the map, and a map littered with map markers. Let me explore the open world, and discover things for myself. On that note I’m gonna go play the OG or maybe FFX
To be fair, in the OG games, you would spend hours in the open world grinding away by getting into random fights to level up your characters. The side quests in rebirth sorta replace that old school way of “grinding”. Frankly, I’d rather do activities with objectives to earn EXP, as mundane as they may be, than run in circles for hours getting into fights. That said, the side activities are completely optional so you don’t have to do any of it.
Except the turn based combat is actually good in the original, the new combat system is absolutely awful and enemies are badly designed artificial difficulty.
Ngl I thought Remake was a bit bloated too and had some painfully forced slow sections. Square is realllllly dragging out and milking this whole Remake trilogy
I firmly disagree. It plays fine and is perfect. And you don’t know a lot of nothing. I’m sorry but they give you so much to go off of. They gave the fan what they wanted and the open world is amazing and feeling lived and it feels alive. There’s not much I hated about this game outside of breaking boxes, I loved all of this game. They have a lot of conversations and a lot of interactions, and if you played any of the side stories, you would realize that all the side stories have to do with the characters individually and you’re taking on side stories that have you working one on one with characters, even if you’re with the whole party, one character is usually invested in the situation, so yes, they move the game very well. I just don’t think you grasp that idea of them having conversations and them living in a world that feels broken. I mean in real life you don’t fill conversation when you’re walking somewhere with somebody, so why would you do that in the game. Just my thoughts. I think you took this game and didn’t understand it the way that you think you did. Sorry but this game might have gone over your head.
So the fans wanted 3 clouds, 2 aeriths, multiple tifas and Barret? In a multiverse? Gtfoh the game is not that good. It has its moments, but the story ruined the entirety of the game for me. It just was boring and not good enough
@@BetterThanYouAtVideoGames I don’t hate and I actually love the concept and I think a lot of fan would agree. And if you payed attention to any of the original life stream talk in og. It’s still using all the source material. So yes they explain in the original these same ideas.
@@enriquegaribaldo2398 lmfao no incorrect HAHAHAHAHAH the original has nothing to do with Bizarrio or a multiverse guy The games mid at best Deal with it Not many think like you That’s reality
I disliked Remake and Rebirth is the same thing. I don't really care I guess because Ieven the og is in mid tier of my favorite FFs, however I had hoped that they we're beginning to figure out how to make a faithful remake. Wrong.
Hate the mini games. They are well made and fun, if I would desire to play them. But, this is a RPG, the mini games and this todo-list-open world throw me all the time from the flow of the story. Getting proto relics having to beat a war game throws me off every time. That materia guy and his virtual side kick are just annoying and TALK to much.
I can't believe people like the Remake series at all. It's easily some of the worst crap I've ever consumed. The story changes are unnecessary, the side quests are boring and pointless, the combat is repetitive, half of the voice acting is cringe. Most people seem to be enjoying it and I just don't understand why. It's complete garbage. Also why are there some people saying Remake was good but they didn't like Rebirth? It looks just like the same crap to me but in different locations.
That's what a lot of the reviews I'm seeing are saying people are saying if u don't want to grind you don't have to its a optional thing. That is why it blows my mind why people are complaining about it like it's forcing them.
Rebirth is a disappointment for me as well. The storytelling is so bad at some points and some characters do have so many cringe moments (don’t really get why Nomura love to make his characters so cringy). The mini games are a huge problem for me. I do not want to do all kinds of different mini games perfectly to get platinum. And honestly…if I want to have that many mini games, I play Mario party
i hate what they did with ff7:r and rebirth specifically because it ruined the story for people like you who never played the original. if they had simply remade and retold the original story, you would have enjoyed it a lot more.
Cut all sidecontent and just go for the Story (not chapter 14) and this game is a 9/10. Rest is just meh. Open World is a huge Ubisoft mess when not even worst.
I played the original when it came out, really got hooked on the characters and the story. played it over for years snd years. it’s my favourite game of all time. played remake and was very happy to revisit this world in a new open HD look. same thing with rebirth and I was blown away. Yes the extra bullshit you do in the areas are annoying at times but I enjoyed this game and i appreciate the amount of time im in these areas to really soak it sll in. It might not be for people who beloved this game when it came out originally.
How people defend this game is beyond comprehension. I know know for sure Metacritic means absolutely nothing because this game is not anywhere close to being 90+.
Open world is so lame. In the third large open zone of the game and holy chit the content couldn’t be more repetitive if it tried. Just the same mindless activities copy and pasted besides the relic content. Most offensive one are the towers where they make you needlessly climb up different amounts of ladders so they can act like it has variation, like yay I can’t wait to climb up FOUR ladders now instead of simply just activating the tower at its base, nah that’s too convenient. Just put the damn thing at the base and stop needlessly wasting my time.
I loved FF7 and while i really enjoyed Remake despite its padding, Rebirth is so unbelievably boring to play compared to both FF7 OG and Remake. I feel lethargic every time i pick it up.
Theres a reason its called "SIDE" quest. You dont have to do it brother, even the world of the og ff7 there was completely nothing there but random encounters unless u progress the story.
I think that the game is a " dawn of a new era" and that it's got a great ending, MOSTLY good side quests and activities, and it leaves an open mind ( just me tho)
these mini-games are SO bad, I typically turn off the entire game and watch NBA basketball. Takes the game from an A to a C-. Wasting another 30 minutes on ANOTHER rendition of rock/paper/scissors is not what I spent 80 bucks for.
Fully disagree but my critiques are Minigames Stealth Lack of playable Shinra Manor guy Open world is mostly optional. Pretty easily skippable. It's basically "you want to get more out of this?" Do this. However i did almost no open world and it was 62 hours on easy. If they were talking to each other, it would be more bloated than people are complaining about. Essentially rebirth IS ff7 bloated. Shinra mansion and chocobo catching are bad. The repetitive intel is somewhat difficult. However the 20 hours would be just chillin on easy skipping all scenes bcuz 62 hours and only having done summons (minus secret and odin before finish) yeah. Your time thing is a bit off maybe but mostly valid critiques. Part 3 will likely be more story driven as we are in a HUGE crossroad. Your opinion is fully valid and I'm glad that you came at it without irrational anger though this is a good video I have a little bit of an issue with the ending I'm looking up some more information on exactly what's going on to see if I can see it from A New Perspective but that's about it either way I'd give it a solid 8.5 / 10 it would be a 9/10 or a 9.5 if I was just critiquing the story because that's good and I'm excited for the next game a little bit less as well however there's a part of me that does want to see what they're going to do with all this personally the original is still my favorite but I played it so many times I may have to just replay remake and intermission and hot take here I think Crisis Core is the best out of all of them except for the OG ff7 also I think ff9 is the best and I'm not sure that a remake for that would work out really well unless it's a reskin because the story in Final Fantasy 9 was Shakespearean all I want them to do is speed up the battle system to be closer to ff7 and keep everything else I don't even think they should change the combat style to that active kind but I don't know how they would pull that off anyway there's my thoughts your thoughts are valid I pretty much agree with most of it but I'm a little bit more partial to the open world I guess because I grew up with Morrowind and I like doing everything at a game like in Crisis Core I spent about 240 hours on that and that one was bloated with the 300 missions but it was kind of addicting
I feel like the more the fanbase get given the more they want we have been spoilt! I'm choosing to focus on the positives of which there are so many. Cool battles, nostalgic moments, riding chocobos, Vincent in his glory, how amazing cosmo canyon looks, Sephiroth! who will always be awesome, a fully realised gold saucer and the list for me goes on. I get the pacing issues and large amount of mini games but in general this game is really good
My biggest gripe with this game is the cringy dialogue . It got worst lol it's hard to take these characters serious when they're all caricatures . The only one I felt was natural was TIFA
You're the only review I've found that isn't fangasming all over this game, It's reassuring to see someone else isn't blinded by the fanfiction that makes up this game.
Absolutely, same with the first game, with the worst padding I've seen in a videogame. It looks like people are afraid of saying something bad about this game, I don't understand
It'll get even worse... you are either a fan or if not = a "hater". It's crazy how you can't even have a normal conversation no more when it games to video games.
IDk man the barret banter in Junon about not wanting marlene to grew up had me, then cloud firing back at him. Yes the interactions are more in the side quests then world stuff. I will say if you skip any side quests your missing out, peak story telling in the sub story of this game. Also point of the ending its a part 2 of a triology, just like empire or godfather 2, They are not happy endings our heroes are at their lowest point and the bad guy is winning.
None of this "remake" stuff is good, it's hallways dressed pretty and the story butchered by a bunch of middle aged manchildren trying to be deep with the depth of a puddle
There is something you have to understand, the story stuff you are describing has a name. It's called mystery boxes and they only exist to manipulate the audience into hype. There is nothing good ever in the box because your imagination will always create something more fantastic for your personal point of veiw. They are always a letdown and a bad story tellers go to move. There is a direct parallel between the excitement you got from remake and the disappointment rebirth gave you. Thats why many people were pissed with the story changes to begin with. It's not just that they changed the story it's the nature of mystery boxes and how they work. It's a cheap trick and FF7 deserved better than that. Mystery box storytelling has absolutely saturated modern media. Consider yourself lucky, now you know what they are, how they function, why they function and how to avoid it all together.
How did they change the story? Cloud and the gang are new to the open world, everything in the open world are not linked to the actions of the previous game unless it's directly associated with characters you already met in the previous game. If they were not introduced in the previous game then everything is new moving forward including how they craft the story based on the original game. As for mystery box and changing the story. You guys are the only ones that expected a mystery boxes and hype trains. I already knew the original game so I didn't expect anything other than improvements of the original story and changing what didn't work from the original game outside of Midgar. Remember, everything outside of Midgar is free game, under the word remake. Rebirth and Remake were meant to be different from the jump while still connected to each other. The worst FF 7 Rebirth can be considered is average, but trash, overrated maybe, but not trash. I got past 65% of the story and quests and I can say at best, it's an average game with a bit of nostalgia. Trash is just bullshit artist personal feelings nonsense. Personally disliking something without proper evaluation of what works and don't work in a game, including removing yourself out of the equation and considering yourself as well in that eqaution, is a sign of disorganization. I can't trust the words of other who aren't looking at everything that works and don't work. I don't even think most players even consider ever single factor of any game, but they like to talk like they do. Sometimes I even check myself when I do it. By the way, this is my last post for this channel, like I said to the other guy, I'm not trying to help this dude's channel through comments. This message is going into limbo so don't bother to reply because you won't get a response. I'm moving on to bigger and better things.
They changed almost every part of the story and in my opinion for the worst. You say they “improved” upon it or it didn’t work but maybe you weren’t a fan of the original story or one of the people calling for it to be remade. Off the top of my head they watered down pricilla, they made Dyne weak and confused anyone who didn’t play the OG, they made the prison a fun minigame hub, they made Setos sacrifice worthless by letting Gi escape into the canyon. Sometimes less is more and this game was like “oh you know Shinra mansion? We made it a hojo prison”. That wasn’t to improve the story, it was to bloat the gameplay because without adding unneccessary stuff to every part of the plot it would be really obvious that this is 1/3 of a game sold as a full one.
If you're playing rebirth (or remake) to go through all the storybeats of the original at a reasonable pace, you're gonna have an awful time. The padding in these two games are insanity.
To be fair that’s probably the single best addition to the game. I didn’t mind the concept of the protorelics either but it seemed like after the first two they got really uncreative with them and I just wanted them over with. The Turks one could have been really good if it was actually doing the mission in Kalm they described and not just a battle simulator.
@@jaybee4288the protorelic stories were crap but I really didn’t understand the hate for the rest of the open world stuff. The rewards for doing them are absolutely insane, and the side quests are way better than remake. Corel is one of the best open worlds I’ve seen in a while.
Im with you. It led me to the existential thought of why do I play video games? I play video games to waste time, but I don't want a video game to waste my damn time. too many meaningless things that are not fun at all. It's a shame that I've been waiting for this game for a decade and I think it's shit.
I thought it was only me.
i had the same reaction. multiple times i had to convince myself that the game was supposed to be challenging and not fun and couldn’t reason to myself why i was still playing it. i was just relived when i finished it; honestly another day and i never would have. there’s so much of the game i haven’t played and never will because i’m not revisiting it.
@Luigiplaya246 are you okay?
@Luigiplaya246 lol. Okay just making sure. The game isn’t bad but some of the elements do make it seem like it’s wasting your time. It’s long for the sake of the seventy dollars. lol.
All the tip polishers are in the comments
I hate this game.
OG was so much better.
It starts great but as the plot moves forward keeps getting worse to the crappy ending, what was the point of defeating fate of Aerith dies again? It’s a disgrace that they rather have a multiverse
My guess is that they were going to go down that road but after lots of people speculated and got upset about it, the company decided it was too big a risk. They had a chance to do something genuinely interesting, but they gotta make money I guess.
They could of left it open for two ending base on choice , that would of been the best deal, they could of left the good ending if u got all the things and missions. Like X2
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@@Handles_are_garbagenaw i think all this will she ,wont she/will they, wont they stuff is intended to build interest for the last game. The problem is the more stuff they introduce the less important everything seems. They dramatized the sector 7 plate drop only to basically say it happened in one of 'x' amount of timelines and it really didnt matter. All this is clearly leading up to cloud having to decide between saving aerith and some great calamity happening or accepting aeriths death and saving the multiverse yada yada yada just to show the players that aerith had to die and death is part of life
@@macalloway1 maybe, but whatever they do, they're definitely changing their minds as they go
@@Handles_are_garbageThis. The approach is a "worst of both worlds".
I made it to chapter 9 and called it a day.
It's a beautiful game with a lot to love and they clearly put a lot of care into the making of it.
However, as someone who never played the original but enjoyed Remake, I just can't get past the fact that there is zero story.
Every location you visit is just 'well, some random robed guys went there so i guess we should too and we can kill time at the beach or the arcade because hey, the world threat can wait. And once we're done doing stuff that has nothing to do with our goal we'll move to the next place. Rinse and repeat ad nauseum'.
The 90 hours of gameplay in both Rebirth and Remake account for roughly 30ish hours of the original 1997 game. And that game had random encounters for 5 of those hours. There were way better paced plot points in the original, and character mysteries kept the player engaged. In Remake/Rebirth, a lot of those mysteries are spoiled by sephiroth dropping in every 2 hours for some exposition or vague threats. Should have been one game as a 1:1 remake, 90 to 100 hours max, 60 hours without the chaff. Square Enix has been a bad game developer for a long time and it really shows with how they have fumbled the easiest slam dunk in game making history.
The story is a convoluted mess of a trendy mystery box plotline, a form of storytelling that is GROSSLY overused in media these days, which streaming services are particularly to blame for it. The open world is a large void of nothingness, with absolutely nothing interesting or fun to do that's interesting, and only exists for the mere sake of having an open world to please the people who would've complained if it wasn't open world. The combat is overly complex and tedious, and twists the brain in all the worst ways due to its insistence on trying to create a hybrid of action and turn-based (again, to try and get people to not complain) that simply does not work. The side activities are generic and uninteresting, with side quests that offer little to no incentive to get involved in them while also having WAY too many of them. Not to mention the mini games being way too high in number, and are NOT fun at all most of the time (I will not budge from the opinion that Queens Blood is hands down the worst card game in the series, and that includes freaking TETRA MASTER). None of these things are being done well, the way the devs handled the story, characters, world, gameplay, all of it is bad. Granted it's not awful, I've played far worse games, this is certainly no Sonic 06. But it's definitely not good either.
And this is before mentioning how ridiculously fanservicey this freaking game is. Holy shit people, can we please go one damn minute without Tifas boobs taking center stage somehow?? Good Lord...
Anyway, I consider Rebirth to be fairly average. If I had to put a number on this game, I'd say it's a 6/10. It does a lot of things wrong, but does have a few redeeming factors. The music is amazing, the graphical technology behind this game is mind-blowing, the characters are energetic and fun (Not a fan of Cloud though), and the voice acting is good. But sadly, to me the good simply does not outweigh the bad.
Give me XVI any day, it was a far better game overall. If any modern FF game should set standards, it's XVI, not Rebirth.
Also, I'm gonna say it. I think most of the love for this game stems from pure nostalgia. I can't help but wonder if y'all would still love the game this much if it had zero attachments to FF7 in any way.
Dude is speaking facts. I'm a fan, but 85 hours in, and it is becoming a chore!
to be honest final fantasy 7 remake head a better story
Hi man just discovered your channel for the first time, but yes; very much agree with your review. It is "blurted the game". We should have gotten a ff9 remake although if this is what we can expect from square going forward I don't want a 9 remake anymore either honestly.
This is exactly how I felt about remake. That games was trash
i couldn't care less if the game is good or bad, i just want to enjoy the history and the characters whom i really love from the previous game.
The game is great, people complaining are just dead inside, can't be pleased by anything
@@petebagwell6666 Yeah...why would people who played the original FF7, that is held as an icon of gaming, and pave the way for...basically ALL RPG's today (Especially JRPG's here in the West) complain when the "Remake" series don't get why it was such a masterpiece in the first place?
What next, you're going to say people who complain about Disney Star Wars not understanding what made Geroge Lucas's Star Wars such an icon of film are "dead inside" and "can't be pleased by anything"?
Then play the original PS1 game.
@@petebagwell6666the game is overrated. It’s a Ubisoft title. Sorry people have standards that you clearly lack.
@@Xxandrew01spot on.
You can skip all the open world stuff abd play the main missions. I mean the original game was 90 percent random battles on the world map
"Skip 80% of the content you paid for."
Lol wtf kind of solution is that?
Agreed. Game is simply not fun.
As someone who didn’t play he original: I liked remake, I liked the story and I liked it being linear. In rebirth it feels like you barely get any story, I’m 25 hours in, at gold saucer and what have we done so far ? *SPOILER chapter 1-7* follow hooded men trying to find sephiroth and being hold up by random stuff that doesn’t play into the big picture. Oh and barret has an interesting backstory. That’s it , after 25 hours. Nothing more than that. I understand why people who played the OG liked this. Because what just feels empty for us or just a normal zone is for the OGS the interpretation of the low pixels 2d areas they played in the OG. I understand how this itself is a great experience. Is it a bad game, no. It is a slightly above average rpg with amazing story bits and cut scenes when they are there. From the perspective of someone who didn’t play the OG.
The best parts of the game are when it’s just hitting the og story beats, like when Barret explains his past and everyone is all somber then the extra scene with them in the gondola and Yuffie tries to cheer everyone up is so good, they absolutely shat the bed with the multiverse story BS, massive fail on the part of the devs, no one will be talking about this remake project in a few years whereas the Original will stand the test of time even though its graphically outdated
Of course it's not great. It's a trash fan fiction catered towards plebs with zero taste. Those clueless of the great story telling Sakaguchi delivered in the og FF7.
Preach
As a "hardcorist" FF fan who has played every mainline game in the series, I couldn't agree with your assessment more. Rebirth was a step backwards from Remake for all the aspects you mentioned. They could have filled the open world with much more compelling content than 7 zones of hunt and gather and hunts. The side quests in town were fun, made me feel like I was actually interacting with the world. Same with the protorelic quest, that is a truest to form FF side quest that you will find in the series. All the other junk is there just to fill time. I have 100+ hours on my save and probably half of that is just the time-buffer crap they filled the game with.
@Luigiplaya246 nice comment, thanks for adding to the discussion
I love Rebirth. But you gotta remeber, The large Ps1 RPG had no content in the world map. It was only used for going from point A to point B. So, They added side content in the world. Otherwise it would just be large zones with monster and nothing in them for no reason. Which would be lame. Plus, SE at least said nothing is missable. You can do it at your own leisure. And dont have to grind it out. But hey, Not everyone will love everything. At least ya played it. 👍
And hopefully the 3rd game will speak to ya. Also, some of the things in the open world are semi pulled from aspects of the original game. Just done differently. Id say go back and play the Ps1 version. Maybe youll see some of it? Anyway, I love the game. And even if you didnt, You gave a fair opinion on it. Which you can have. Hopefully trolls dont fly in. Lol.
C'mon you're being too reasonable. That's simply not allowed to exist In the comments section in 2024. 😂
Trash opinion, Infinite Wealth is better. Rebirth has the worst combat ever in a game.
For me it was the way they did it. The first open world section seemed really cool. But by the 6th, still doing those towers and lifesprings and summon ruins and those silly chocobos and owls and stuff, it got really old. It felt more like I was playing some overpriced Ubisoft title rather than final fantasy. Add to that how they changed almost every part of the story with the aim to make it longer to pad out the run time, it just was a bit of a rubbish experience. They get some things right, the characters are mostly great, the battles, the music is mostly good (although even that got weird at times as they experimented too much). I dunno it’s just not FF7 really, it’s some extended universe millennial spin off.
@@cartoonvideos5woah you can hate on most of the game and I’d understand but the combat felt good Wtf 😂
These dudes want simple games with trash combat. Then they get that they will cry about how mid it was. You can’t please everybody. I remember when people was glazing XVI. The same crowd hating on Rebirth glazed FFXVI and when it was revealed to be lacking they magically jumped off of it to save face lmaoo. It deserves the hype whether the pessimistic crowd wants to admit it or not. Played the original and it took the content from it and added elements that made it better.
Everything you said, I have been saying! You just earned a subscriber and like because of such truth and you speak it instead of raging it. I truly felt the same way as you and I really liked that you are critiquing it and not just raging like some youtubers do it. For me this, is super overrated, at BEST a 7/10.
And the way they interact, so many, so much slow ass cutscenes and they couldn't come up with more meaningful interactions between the characters. The best thing about FFs is the occasional random quips and interactions between the characters, and I just felt they were so tropey. Don't get me started with Cloud, even much more stoic than the OG. So many characters and the only intereactions they could come up with were with Cloud. How about make some interactions between Tifa and Yuffie? or Aerith and Barret? They barely interact with each other. You got all these slow ass forced in-game cutscenes that they couldn't insert a random conversation here and there?
And the maps? 5 copy paste regions of each other. Oof. Only things that were phenomenal were of course, the graphics, and the fcking music. The latter because of course Masashi Hamauzu (FFXIII composer) was in charge. Always nails it out of the park with his scores.
the whole aerith scene...dragged forever and didnt hit like he og or make much sense lol
People really need to just let go and stop trying to relive the original. The remake series is NOT INTENDED to be consumed as if it's the original. The pacing is fine, the story is great, the character depth is 100x better than it ever was in the original, and it also answers a ton of questions from the originals. People complaining about this game is a literal case of "can't please everybody". Also I highly doubt you've "finished" the game. 100% it, then say you've completed it, the "story" is just an element of it. Complaining about "padding" and such when the original RELIED on padding with things such as the chocobo grind or the omnislash grind. Seeing people complain that they actually got a "full" game instead of a "storybook" is honestly an L for the FF7 community.
Trash opinion, rebirth is terrible, the original is better, infinite wealth is better.
Agreed, I'm not having fun, until I am and then it's the best time ever! But as soon as you're loving it and enjoying it... They wedge in another mini game. I'm a huge fan. Played the original in 1997, loved Remake enjoying Rebirths story but the pacing is awful!
Playing Rebirth wore me out and made me appreciate the original more.
The ending is complete nonsense.
I think the game was great until later on, specially the last few chapters , the story just kind of went in a direction that made me feel there is no point to it , the ending I feel they tried too hard to make a twist in the plot and it’s a mess is all I will say
I've finished FF7 17 times so I consider myself hardcore. But I agree with you. This game was a waste of my time and an insult to the original material.
For me the game feels like a giant vacation.... The game doesn't make you feel at home.. Instead its more like "remember this?" "Remember that?" And were like "uh... Is this it?"
I can tell from the first 5 hrs it doesn't feel as tight as the first one. Makes me wonder how they are going to wrap this up in one more game. Remake and rebirth are just the first 3rd. But this game pads it out with soo many dumb quests and the stupid card game.
The first 2 games are not the first third of the original, dummy.
The 3 discs from 1997 are not equal. The vast majority of the story and video files were on disc 1. Disc 2 introduced a couple new areas, and a whole bunch of minigames, sidequests, revisiting old locations. Disc 3 was the final dungeon and a boss fight.
It's your opinion and that's great!
Personally, I loved OG, loved Remake and I'm really, really really enjoying Rebirth...
And I think I'm very fortunate not to think the way you do :P...
Oh well... Gotta continue on my journey with Cloud and company!
When it comes to FFVII my advice is to just pay the 1997 game and avoid all the sequels and prequels like the plague.
Pretty much this.
Straight up!
Preach!
Yeah… such a shame we never got the remake we asked for.
This is the way.
I'm finding myself agreeing with this. I'm not super far but the moment you leave junon, the games tone is serious for maybe 10 minutes out of the next 4 hours. The rest of that 4 hours really just feels like filler. There are soooo many design choices that seem to exist for the sole purpose of making something take longer. To their credit, they have made these tasks feel somewhat fun. But it feels like cheap slot machine fun. Bright lights and pleasant sounds to give you a hit of dopamine without any real substance. Ff7 rebirth has felt more like a spin off game designed around a carnival philosophy than anything else. Im praying it gets better. Really enjoyed the first two regions but chapter 3-6 has really been wearing me down with virtually zero narrative push in 3 whole chapters and forced mini game after mini game.
isn't that ff7? bunch of random encounter / grind.
@@phoenixdown1947 no one is complaining about grinding or random encounters lol.
really?🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@phoenixdown1947 Really. Turning a simple task like carrying boxes into an hour long mini game isn't grinding/random encounters. You tried tho. Not sure what you tried but it was something 😂
This whole portion of the OG FF7 was pretty much filler too tbh
So I’m like more than halfway into the game and I have some gripes with it:
- Side quests are tedious and awful, many of them are fetch quests. Some are downright atrocious
- The Chadley stuff is annoying. While I do like some of the variety in the protorelic stuff, it’s not nearly enough to save them.
- And this is personal but I’m not a fan of the minigames and how they were handled.
ong too much time wasted esp at early game (felt the same with remake), so true in saying if they just did a linear straight forward game it would be so much more enjoyable
some gameplay mechanics waaaay too tedious as well
People complained remake is too linear....
just watching the cutscenes and not playing the game i agree with the lack of focus in the story progression of the game, ff7remake also had filler/padding but in rebirth theres too mcuh and it makes the overall expereince borrring
You have the problems that i have. I'm tired of the intel, and the towers, crystal scanning.. ugh.. its the thing that kills me. I had so much fun at the Gold Saucer though its was long but i had so much fun. I hope the intel is gone in part 3.
The thing that annoys me the most is the fact that the game feels like a massive chore, you just walk while the characters are talking then you're forced to play a bunch of annoying minigames in order to procceed with the plot, not to mention the atrocious ending and the extreme padding, Remake was extremely linear but it's better than this game, more content doesn't mean better game, what's the point of having more content if most of it it's just dull
Remake was a legend. Rebirth is meh 🤷 Facts hurts
Amen
Oh boy these comments are something else.
This man has a honest opinion. But because its not mindless praise, the fandom see it as a attack?
One thing ive noticed is the fandom will jump to name calling and other shallow attacks when ever had someone has the slightest critique. i had hope the fandom wouldve matured by rebirth, but apartently four years still wasnt enough time for people to learn to disagree respectfully.
It's more along the lines is that he's complaining about not liking things that are optional in the game to start with. He wanted a linear experience. He can have that. Once he realized that he wasn't getting much main story out of the Open World activities, all he had to do was stop doing them and focus on the story. If his review was more along the lines of "If you didn't like Open World design before, FFVII Rebirth won't change your mind" that would be different.
あなたの動画のほうが遥かに退屈でした
You don't speak English, go away Tojo, 🇺🇲🇺🇲
After playing rebirth I felt even more in love with the original from 1997😅
Rebirth is amazing.
I would argue that’s the point of rebirth which it succeeds in with flying colors.
@@PCgamerChannel Every bit of Rebirth excited me as a concept, all the quests, open world exploration, background stories, even the updated plot... after loving Remake and being a fan of the og game, I had ever higher hopes... but turns out, it was a game about a dude named Chadley and his sidekicks who climb into towers to fetch some stuff, and that's about it :) Chadley never stops talking, never stops interrupting you and EVERYTHING involves him somehow. It's so wasteful when you had a whole host of original playable characters who could have replaced him in all those side quests.
Just release another ATB/turn based World of Final Fantasy style game and give it a damn number after the title. Call it Final Fantasy 17 -.- it’d be a hit.
remake is soo much better
I didn't like it either. It was so boring and made me depressed as hell. I'm tired of developers doing the same ol shh. I wish they would've done something new.
I'm a faaaaaan of the ff series. And 7 is my favorite...rebirth is mini game, the game. Holy shit I CANT. The tone is off. The jokes are plentiful. And I hate it...the battle and advancement system is TERRIBLE this time around. I liked remake...this...this is just bad.
Agreed. Remake was decent but just from the demo I could see how horrendous the combat was and how broken enemies were in Rebirth.
Nailed it nailed it! found the open world just too confusing with far too much going on without aim or direction open world games just bore the shit outta me.
Ngl chapter 11 took the hype away from me i loved it till late chapter 10 then 12 started and i just wanted to end it now its a slow incline to get better im on 12 rn and oh muh gosh and i wish we played a zack more hopfully a dlc will let us do that play as zack and let that be a long dlc
Edit: I have finished it and now my opinions different this game was really fun and the areas that i was stuck on wasnt bad I was just underpowerd and making mistakes cause i was angry this play through i will be more prepared
Combat is trash and enemies are badly designed
Homeboy really said "I wish we could walk in a straight line instead of exploring the world. The rigid linearity of FF7 Remake was the best"
They're both trash
The open world in rebirth is boring as hell.
Dude isn’t wrong
They messed up this game big time. Been a fan since original ff7. This game just doesn’t make me want to play it. The open world boring ass click this, throw that, remember this sequence got old EXTREMELY FAST. And to top it off, 99.9% of the rewards are atrocious.
Games not a contender at all
@@asdfghjkllkjhgfdsa8725 Keep crying
@@BetterThanYouAtVideoGamesSTRONGLY AGREE
@@Sp8man00 I wish this wasn’t the case, but sadly it is.
To extend on issues-
Weapons are garbage, the 1st weapon of the game is the best weapon until the end of the game, only unlocking boring skills that you more than likely will never use anyways…
Let’s not start with the item transmuter…Jesus having to dig with Chocobos and sniff around to get subpar and mediocre equipment and rewards just doesn’t feel like a final fantasy game to me
There’s no hidden AMAZING weapons or materia…just hidden ways to get to the boring towers and check lists to check off
JESUS I’m so disappointed in the direction they took this game in.
It’s not a good direction, even the story was butchered with the multiverse bullshit
After I finished FF VII Remake and Rebirth, a friend recommended XV to me.
And I have to say that the 15 has grown on me even more than any other part I've played.
I love open world, the battle system (I don't use the waitmode) and I don't even need to start with the Regalia (all versions).
And the OST gave me chills. Especially “Apocalypse Noctis”
When I think of FFVII's graphics, the wall jpg of Midgar is always the first thing that comes to mind.
In the 15th, everything is "alive" up to the horizon and the day-night cycle also brings in dynamism.
And I also particularly like the little things, such as Noctis getting dirty from fighting and fishing, or his hairstyle no longer being neat due to the rain.
I also like the dynamic between the guys more.
In the 7, I'm particularly bothered by the whining and pushy nature of Tifa's character.
The story of 15 is a bit confusing, I don't want to contradict that, but since I know or have all the media around, I can figure out the connections.
The story of 7 is largely known, but now the changes make the story more complicated for players who know the original.
As far as linear the chapters go after leaving Altissia before arriving Insomnia,And I thought it was really good that it had the chance to travel back into the past again, for example to take a deep breath before the journey with the bros came to an end.
And I actually enjoyed doing that again.
FF VII Rebirth is no different, only that here there really is no turning back.
The campfire scene at the end of FFXV killed me.
Just the boys and the crackling of the fire.
There is no need for dramatic musical accompaniment to make this scene so emotionally powerful.
Which was already introduced very well in Crisis Core.
And brought tears to my eyes in both.
😭
Since I've found Zack to be my favorite FFVII character since Crisis Core, I'm naturally very excited to see how he fits into the whole story.
All in all, I'm really looking forward to the third part of the 7.
But the 15 will probably remain number one for me for the time being.
Judging by the low sales you might not be alone
Remakes have ruined everything. I love ff7, i hated remake, and im never playing this.
You’re not alone. Even FF16 grabbed my attention more than Rebirth.
Its hard to let square enix handle anything these days. After remake I was excited again but this reminded me of the awful ff16
I felt the same with the Remake... I can only imagine...
Somr of the mini games...man. Such a slog.
Too many fucking mini-games, otherwise everything else was excellent, a big improvement over Remake which was great. I've never played the OG or Crisis Core.
I understand people don’t like some aspects of it. But my personal overall experience was positive. With the exception of Gongaga (I hated that region) and how they ruined Cid’s introduction, I honestly had so much fun with the game.
Remake on the other hand is a pile of sh**.
I played all ff games since X and since XV I'm getting disappointed continously (except for XIV. That's just a masterpiece on a way too old engine) by every single new game. XVI was nice but all great characters died and I hated the ending. VII Remake was just a pain in the ass cause I'm not used to only be allowed to explore on a very tight leash and the game itself was so slow in terms of story development. But I wanted to finish it to be ready for the next title.
Which is...damn. Awful. The story drags even more, you could've deleted like 10h of "story" especially in the beginning, technically all open world chores and half the mini games and I would've loved the game it to tears. But like this it's so hard to keep my interest up to finish it. I don't know the original but I'm tempted to play it only for the story which makes me feel absolutely nothing in the new game. Sure there are some nice scenes. I love the new design, the music is awesome as always, the world looks beautiful (if you ignore the floor level design in gongaga where half of the time I just wondered how to get to places) and there's just so much potential. But instead we get a "open world" which is even worse than Ubisoft (hell that's bad. That's just sooo bad!), annoying side characters (chadley and Mai, I'm looking at you), sadley very mixed quality voice acting in German (I should play it in English next time. Maybe that's better) and apart from the meaningless side quests which add absolutely nothing to the overall lore except for those few where the main charas tell you about themselves a bit there's just nothing interesting about this game until Cosmo Canyon! And that's what, 68% of "story progression". Wtf.
It's getting more interesting now but it just makes no sense so far. Nothing makes sense. There are no connections, questions get asked and thrown away mid sentence to just leave the player in the mist. Damn I don't want to play anymore. But I want to finish it my to have more headspace and time again for better games. So that I can say I played it and let it rot in the closet until the last (and hopefully better) part gets released
Lots of people with buyers remorse i think thats why they turn into super fanboys. It would be so much better if they just cut out the filler.
I'm with you. It's not a terrible game, and there are a lot of things I liked about it. but I did not enjoy it nearly as much as Remake. My biggest issues with the game was just too long and had too much bloat and padding. They decided to go the ubi soft route and just put a bunch of filler in the game that didn't need to be there. It follows the ubi soft formula to a T.
By the time I got to Chapter 12 of Rebirth I was burnt-out. I mean holy crap this game is long. I had to force myself to keep on playing in order to beat it. From Chapter 12 onwards I was just going through the motions. The main story of Rebirth could probably be beaten in 30 to 40 hours, however there is a lot of padding in the form of tacked-on mini games most of which are mandatory in order to progress in the story, its ridiculous. It's why i enjoyed Rebirth a lot less then Remake. Remake actually respected my time. It was more focused and streamlined Remake is a perfect example of sometimes less is more. after Rebirth, I needed a long break from open world RPGs. The best way to describe Rebirth is...just an exhausting game to play. The ending was very unsatisfying all that multi-verse nonsense just made the game's storyline a convoluted mess. and after I beat Rebirth, I feel the exact same way you do. My excitement for Part 3 is pretty much gone. I'll probably still play it but I am that excited for it.
Oh and I hate Chadley. Screw that kid.
I just returned this game. I was about 10 hours in, and just wasn’t feeling it. Im tired of games that have you climb towers, and unveil more of the map, and a map littered with map markers. Let me explore the open world, and discover things for myself. On that note I’m gonna go play the OG or maybe FFX
To be fair, in the OG games, you would spend hours in the open world grinding away by getting into random fights to level up your characters. The side quests in rebirth sorta replace that old school way of “grinding”. Frankly, I’d rather do activities with objectives to earn EXP, as mundane as they may be, than run in circles for hours getting into fights. That said, the side activities are completely optional so you don’t have to do any of it.
Except the turn based combat is actually good in the original, the new combat system is absolutely awful and enemies are badly designed artificial difficulty.
@@cartoonvideos5maybe you just suck at the game idk
@@kei7540lol
Ngl I thought Remake was a bit bloated too and had some painfully forced slow sections. Square is realllllly dragging out and milking this whole Remake trilogy
I firmly disagree. It plays fine and is perfect. And you don’t know a lot of nothing. I’m sorry but they give you so much to go off of. They gave the fan what they wanted and the open world is amazing and feeling lived and it feels alive. There’s not much I hated about this game outside of breaking boxes, I loved all of this game. They have a lot of conversations and a lot of interactions, and if you played any of the side stories, you would realize that all the side stories have to do with the characters individually and you’re taking on side stories that have you working one on one with characters, even if you’re with the whole party, one character is usually invested in the situation, so yes, they move the game very well. I just don’t think you grasp that idea of them having conversations and them living in a world that feels broken. I mean in real life you don’t fill conversation when you’re walking somewhere with somebody, so why would you do that in the game. Just my thoughts. I think you took this game and didn’t understand it the way that you think you did. Sorry but this game might have gone over your head.
So the fans wanted 3 clouds, 2 aeriths, multiple tifas and Barret? In a multiverse?
Gtfoh the game is not that good. It has its moments, but the story ruined the entirety of the game for me. It just was boring and not good enough
@@BetterThanYouAtVideoGames I don’t hate and I actually love the concept and I think a lot of fan would agree. And if you payed attention to any of the original life stream talk in og. It’s still using all the source material. So yes they explain in the original these same ideas.
@@enriquegaribaldo2398 lmfao no incorrect HAHAHAHAHAH the original has nothing to do with Bizarrio or a multiverse guy
The games mid at best
Deal with it
Not many think like you
That’s reality
Square Enix fanboy detected. Opinion disregarded due to bias.
I disliked Remake and Rebirth is the same thing. I don't really care I guess because Ieven the og is in mid tier of my favorite FFs, however I had hoped that they we're beginning to figure out how to make a faithful remake. Wrong.
Hate the mini games. They are well made and fun, if I would desire to play them. But, this is a RPG, the mini games and this todo-list-open world throw me all the time from the flow of the story. Getting proto relics having to beat a war game throws me off every time. That materia guy and his virtual side kick are just annoying and TALK to much.
I can't believe people like the Remake series at all. It's easily some of the worst crap I've ever consumed. The story changes are unnecessary, the side quests are boring and pointless, the combat is repetitive, half of the voice acting is cringe. Most people seem to be enjoying it and I just don't understand why. It's complete garbage.
Also why are there some people saying Remake was good but they didn't like Rebirth? It looks just like the same crap to me but in different locations.
Nah you’re right… as much as I’m kinda glad we got that remake series, I do think it’s overrated and the open world aspect is extremely uninspiring
FF7ish nomura fanfic ver2.0. I guess the game is only for die hard Nomura fan base...
Nomura didn't write it
I love this game!! I recommend to for people that don't like the open world segments just don't do them. They are optional.
Infinite Wealth is better in every way possible
That's what a lot of the reviews I'm seeing are saying people are saying if u don't want to grind you don't have to its a optional thing. That is why it blows my mind why people are complaining about it like it's forcing them.
Rebirth is a disappointment for me as well. The storytelling is so bad at some points and some characters do have so many cringe moments (don’t really get why Nomura love to make his characters so cringy). The mini games are a huge problem for me. I do not want to do all kinds of different mini games perfectly to get platinum. And honestly…if I want to have that many mini games, I play Mario party
i hate what they did with ff7:r and rebirth specifically because it ruined the story for people like you who never played the original. if they had simply remade and retold the original story, you would have enjoyed it a lot more.
Cut all sidecontent and just go for the Story (not chapter 14) and this game is a 9/10. Rest is just meh. Open World is a huge Ubisoft mess when not even worst.
I played the original when it came out, really got hooked on the characters and the story. played it over for years snd years. it’s my favourite game of all time.
played remake and was very happy to revisit this world in a new open HD look. same thing with rebirth and I was blown away.
Yes the extra bullshit you do in the areas are annoying at times but I enjoyed this game and i appreciate the amount of time im in these areas to really soak it sll in.
It might not be for people who beloved this game when it came out originally.
How people defend this game is beyond comprehension. I know know for sure Metacritic means absolutely nothing because this game is not anywhere close to being 90+.
Open world is so lame. In the third large open zone of the game and holy chit the content couldn’t be more repetitive if it tried. Just the same mindless activities copy and pasted besides the relic content. Most offensive one are the towers where they make you needlessly climb up different amounts of ladders so they can act like it has variation, like yay I can’t wait to climb up FOUR ladders now instead of simply just activating the tower at its base, nah that’s too convenient. Just put the damn thing at the base and stop needlessly wasting my time.
I loved FF7 and while i really enjoyed Remake despite its padding, Rebirth is so unbelievably boring to play compared to both FF7 OG and Remake. I feel lethargic every time i pick it up.
Theres a reason its called "SIDE" quest. You dont have to do it brother, even the world of the og ff7 there was completely nothing there but random encounters unless u progress the story.
100% agree with everything u said 😂 I’m scared for part 3 and probably won’t buy it
As a hardcore fan, both remake and rebirth sucked... Sry, but they butchered it... So many missed opportunities..
Agree. Im old enough to have played and adored the original, but no amount of nostalgia saves this from being a really really really not great game.
I think that the game is a " dawn of a new era" and that it's got a great ending, MOSTLY good side quests and activities, and it leaves an open mind ( just me tho)
Finished today with 97h and its really hard to accepting it but i didn’t love it
these mini-games are SO bad, I typically turn off the entire game and watch NBA basketball. Takes the game from an A to a C-. Wasting another 30 minutes on ANOTHER rendition of rock/paper/scissors is not what I spent 80 bucks for.
Fully disagree but my critiques are
Minigames
Stealth
Lack of playable Shinra Manor guy
Open world is mostly optional. Pretty easily skippable. It's basically "you want to get more out of this?" Do this.
However i did almost no open world and it was 62 hours on easy.
If they were talking to each other, it would be more bloated than people are complaining about.
Essentially rebirth IS ff7 bloated. Shinra mansion and chocobo catching are bad. The repetitive intel is somewhat difficult.
However the 20 hours would be just chillin on easy skipping all scenes bcuz 62 hours and only having done summons (minus secret and odin before finish) yeah. Your time thing is a bit off maybe but mostly valid critiques.
Part 3 will likely be more story driven as we are in a HUGE crossroad.
Your opinion is fully valid and I'm glad that you came at it without irrational anger though this is a good video I have a little bit of an issue with the ending I'm looking up some more information on exactly what's going on to see if I can see it from A New Perspective but that's about it either way I'd give it a solid 8.5 / 10 it would be a 9/10 or a 9.5 if I was just critiquing the story because that's good and I'm excited for the next game a little bit less as well however there's a part of me that does want to see what they're going to do with all this personally the original is still my favorite but I played it so many times I may have to just replay remake and intermission and hot take here I think Crisis Core is the best out of all of them except for the OG ff7 also I think ff9 is the best and I'm not sure that a remake for that would work out really well unless it's a reskin because the story in Final Fantasy 9 was Shakespearean all I want them to do is speed up the battle system to be closer to ff7 and keep everything else I don't even think they should change the combat style to that active kind but I don't know how they would pull that off anyway there's my thoughts your thoughts are valid I pretty much agree with most of it but I'm a little bit more partial to the open world I guess because I grew up with Morrowind and I like doing everything at a game like in Crisis Core I spent about 240 hours on that and that one was bloated with the 300 missions but it was kind of addicting
Juat started, should have bought this earlier, 3 hours or so in, aaa jrpg experience, superb game
Agreeed. It was shit! Loved the remake. But this had so many issues.
I feel like the more the fanbase get given the more they want we have been spoilt! I'm choosing to focus on the positives of which there are so many. Cool battles, nostalgic moments, riding chocobos, Vincent in his glory, how amazing cosmo canyon looks, Sephiroth! who will always be awesome, a fully realised gold saucer and the list for me goes on. I get the pacing issues and large amount of mini games but in general this game is really good
Excellent review. Couldn't agree more. The way this game was directed is straight up horrible quite simply.
My biggest gripe with this game is the cringy dialogue . It got worst lol it's hard to take these characters serious when they're all caricatures . The only one I felt was natural was TIFA
You're the only review I've found that isn't fangasming all over this game, It's reassuring to see someone else isn't blinded by the fanfiction that makes up this game.
Absolutely, same with the first game, with the worst padding I've seen in a videogame. It looks like people are afraid of saying something bad about this game, I don't understand
@@Naharadirwe live in a time with pandering, girly men.
It'll get even worse... you are either a fan or if not = a "hater".
It's crazy how you can't even have a normal conversation no more when it games to video games.
@@guitarspud1723 Are you drunk?
The fans are still on the honeymoon, just wait, but you're not alone, even my hardcore gamer friend is not going to buy or play it.
IDk man the barret banter in Junon about not wanting marlene to grew up had me, then cloud firing back at him. Yes the interactions are more in the side quests then world stuff. I will say if you skip any side quests your missing out, peak story telling in the sub story of this game. Also point of the ending its a part 2 of a triology, just like empire or godfather 2, They are not happy endings our heroes are at their lowest point and the bad guy is winning.
You rushed through a 100 plus hour game
I felt like the side stuff felt like a chore instead of exploration
Was my favorite game of the year by far. Up there with elden ring.
You gay!
This is factual.
This game was such a waste. Too much meaningless shit. Oh my God.
None of this "remake" stuff is good, it's hallways dressed pretty and the story butchered by a bunch of middle aged manchildren trying to be deep with the depth of a puddle
There is something you have to understand, the story stuff you are describing has a name. It's called mystery boxes and they only exist to manipulate the audience into hype. There is nothing good ever in the box because your imagination will always create something more fantastic for your personal point of veiw. They are always a letdown and a bad story tellers go to move.
There is a direct parallel between the excitement you got from remake and the disappointment rebirth gave you. Thats why many people were pissed with the story changes to begin with. It's not just that they changed the story it's the nature of mystery boxes and how they work. It's a cheap trick and FF7 deserved better than that.
Mystery box storytelling has absolutely saturated modern media. Consider yourself lucky, now you know what they are, how they function, why they function and how to avoid it all together.
How did they change the story? Cloud and the gang are new to the open world, everything in the open world are not linked to the actions of the previous game unless it's directly associated with characters you already met in the previous game. If they were not introduced in the previous game then everything is new moving forward including how they craft the story based on the original game.
As for mystery box and changing the story. You guys are the only ones that expected a mystery boxes and hype trains. I already knew the original game so I didn't expect anything other than improvements of the original story and changing what didn't work from the original game outside of Midgar. Remember, everything outside of Midgar is free game, under the word remake. Rebirth and Remake were meant to be different from the jump while still connected to each other. The worst FF 7 Rebirth can be considered is average, but trash, overrated maybe, but not trash. I got past 65% of the story and quests and I can say at best, it's an average game with a bit of nostalgia. Trash is just bullshit artist personal feelings nonsense. Personally disliking something without proper evaluation of what works and don't work in a game, including removing yourself out of the equation and considering yourself as well in that eqaution, is a sign of disorganization. I can't trust the words of other who aren't looking at everything that works and don't work. I don't even think most players even consider ever single factor of any game, but they like to talk like they do. Sometimes I even check myself when I do it.
By the way, this is my last post for this channel, like I said to the other guy, I'm not trying to help this dude's channel through comments. This message is going into limbo so don't bother to reply because you won't get a response. I'm moving on to bigger and better things.
They changed almost every part of the story and in my opinion for the worst. You say they “improved” upon it or it didn’t work but maybe you weren’t a fan of the original story or one of the people calling for it to be remade. Off the top of my head they watered down pricilla, they made Dyne weak and confused anyone who didn’t play the OG, they made the prison a fun minigame hub, they made Setos sacrifice worthless by letting Gi escape into the canyon. Sometimes less is more and this game was like “oh you know Shinra mansion? We made it a hojo prison”. That wasn’t to improve the story, it was to bloat the gameplay because without adding unneccessary stuff to every part of the plot it would be really obvious that this is 1/3 of a game sold as a full one.
@@jaybee4288imagine being mad about the slightest things and not taking a new perspective
If you're playing rebirth (or remake) to go through all the storybeats of the original at a reasonable pace, you're gonna have an awful time. The padding in these two games are insanity.
The added card game alone is such an incredible time sink. I groan if I'm watching a playthrough and they head for the card tables!
To be fair that’s probably the single best addition to the game. I didn’t mind the concept of the protorelics either but it seemed like after the first two they got really uncreative with them and I just wanted them over with. The Turks one could have been really good if it was actually doing the mission in Kalm they described and not just a battle simulator.
@@jaybee4288the protorelic stories were crap but I really didn’t understand the hate for the rest of the open world stuff. The rewards for doing them are absolutely insane, and the side quests are way better than remake. Corel is one of the best open worlds I’ve seen in a while.
Remake was great, rebirth was atrocious