DEI INFIGHTING ON X? BILLIONAIRE Investor Mark Cuban, Chris Rufo SPAR On What 'EQUITY' Really Means
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- Опубликовано: 2 апр 2024
- Briahna Joy Gray and Amber Duke weigh in on a spat on X between Mark Cuban and Christopher Rufo over DEI. #dei #diversity
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Brie Brie, you keep using the word "equality" in place of "equity" when discussing DEI. Why? Is it in error? I would hate to think it's purposeful conflation.
It's a purposeful conflation, a strategy change. Mark Cuban said it.
Bri nailed it, her experience at Harvard is identical to all American universities. It is even worse when examining the faculty. Americans want to give a leg up to descendants of native americans and slaves but these people see almost no benefit. Higher-ed is dominated by immigrants who were neither minority in their country of origin nor from poverty but are given extreme preferential treatment. These people become decision makers and further discriminate against Americans in favor of immigrants. The system is broken, why should hard working Americans pay for someone from another country to come in and teach their children (poorly) at such a high cost.
Brianna, you cannot have it both ways.
Guilty by accusation destroyed opportunity for women.
If you want to be in the camp that ruins men with accusations, then you cannot bemoan the fact that men will not take junior females to business dinners.
At very least you guys agree that what we are doing now isnt working. Thats a much better dialogue forward than all the people that are turning a blind eye to all of the negative implications.
Why do they think equity means equality though?!
It is not a difficult distinction.
because people complain about anything. This has nothing about being colorblind, its about thinking that at the end of the day the best person for the job in their eyes is always a white man. Before CRT and DEI there was affirmative action. No matter my grades, experience, or position people would say I just got a job due to affirmative action. its all BS.
The same reason people think the guy whose addicted to drugs and doesnt work is entitled to the same life as someone who spent their whole life contributing to society.
Equity is the Electoral College granting Trump the Presidency even though he had 3 million fewer votes. Trump is the biggest DEI hire.
They don't think it means equality at all. People need to stop falling for it. What Mark said was a _re-branding_ to what the right has been saying. It doesn't mean they'll pursue equality in practice. The same is happening with race based Affirmative action. While SCOTUS has struck it down, we're still highy encouraged to talk about race and admissions officers openly admit on record that they use proxies like zip codes to practice AA.
Brie talked 8mins out of a 9mins segment🙄
One more person intimidated by intelligence.
Why not just set up a reading program? You can do it!
She’s well educated on the topic and dudnt even offer a particularly leftist take This is like very centrist take - some of things programs do silly things, most exist to address an issue that Israel, but they don’t address it very well- and White folks historically have a bad reaction to any kind of program that levels the playing between themselves and BIPOC and will label as anti white.
Bri: Someone said slavery? MY TIME TO SHINE! 🤣 they'll continue to try to guilt trip you over history until youre in gulags.
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@@l.w.paradis2108 Filibustering isn’t intelligence. Can’t see how well her ideas hold up if her cohosts don’t have time to rebut them
Bad faith Bri. You misrepresent Rufo.
It's completely bad faith to frame the VC funding statement. People should speak up and ask how many startups are black to start with?
DEI isn't about race, it's an ideological funnel. It's so diverse groups of people can all have the identical non-diverse opinions. No one gives two craps who you are if you're using a shovel, it's about a homogenous leadership class.
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False dichotomy much? The Identical non-diverse opinions are primarily based on racial views. I get they might replace race with something else in the future but right now it's undoubtedly race.
That's a false dichotomy. Currently the non-diverse opinions are primarily based on race.
That may sound great looped together in a sentence but how does this relate to reality? If youwere to claim diverse group all have the same identicl non-deverse opinions, would that also be treu for majority groups outside of DEI?
@@phantomzxro1 Great question, majority groups outside of DEI circles don't have formal training or requirements guidelines. Most also don't have DEI staff/comissars at their workplaces or Universities.
Here's Briahna confused by the idea of a civil conversation about important public issues.
This was great.
@@l.w.paradis2108 look the bot
Used to watch Rising regularly but now when I see Bri as panelist I immediately leave - her comments are asinine.
I watch, but mostly to see how far Bri can bend reality and how clever she imagines her rationalizations are.
I used to watch, but when I'm forced at gun point to view a slightly different opinion, I immediately moan and complain. How dare anyone have a take I don't like censored this immediately!
I never mind a different opinion - actually enjoyed the good debates they used to have on this channel - that's why I started watching. My point is some of the things Bri says are ridiculous not to mention she talks over guests and Robbie. @@dustinavant2003
@@terrycooper642 this reminds me of MTV news. It's novelty news and none of the hosts are all that great.
@@dustinavant2003 her viewpoints are contrived and she never concedes, never opens her mind to other viewpoints. She talks her position well, which is the only reason she has the job. But none of the host including her are very good.
Bri is so deluded.
Wow, you sound worse than the opponents of Truth and Reconciliation in South Africa! 😂😂😂
I think she knows she's lying.
@@gordonsulc8319 Correct
Did her stating facts hurt your feelings? That is what happens when you have a diet mainly composed of alternative facts and a desire to ban books.
@@jasonwhite6463 If you don't like alternative facts or banning books, you won't like the new president of the American library association.
LOVED this dialog! Love these 2 together. Great discussion! ❤
Within 100 years of the abolition of slavery in the USA (1865 - 1965) the quality of life for descendants of slaves was comparable to anyone else of the same socioeconomic level.
That is a LIGHT YEAR of transformation that our nation 🇺🇸 achieved in 100 years - ESPECIALLY considering slavery or indentured servitude SYSTEM was the economic reality since the BEGINNING OF HUMAN HISTORY FOR ALL ETHNICITIES.
Slavery STILL EXISTS in African and Islamic countries.
The USA is not perfect- but when it needed to be FIXED in our nations relatively SHORT 200+ YEARS OF EXISTENCE- we achieved the impossible.
NEVER BE MANIPULATED by race bating profiteers that would lie and say otherwise 🙏🇺🇸❤️
There was slavery a few years ago involving immigrants/illegal aliens in Florida farm work.
What Baloney! Let you tell it this "transformation" materialized out of nothing. It wasn't the result of decades of struggle against a white American majority that fought tooth and nail to prevent it. Black Americans had to march, bleed, go to jail and die for it. And even after, you still had the "war on drugs" in the 80s that predominantly hurt Black communities, the school to prison pipeline that still predominantly harms Black and Brown Americans and a host of other disparities that result from racial discrimination. Sure we can acknowledge the improvements but that doesn't mean we should whitewash history or the realities of what happens to a people when by design they are denied equal treatment for hundreds of years.
@@Unfamous_Buddha And slavery continues to this day in places with low levels of lawful control like throughout africa, south america, and in some places in china and india whats your point?
Why does everyone pretend that chattel slavery in the US was just like slavery everywhere else? And act as if it yielded the same results? And why does everyone ignore that everyone else and their heirs who had a government sanctioned harm in the US, gets redress for government sanctioned wrongs and as soon as you discuss descendants of slavery in the US, suddenly we have amnesia about what the US does for redress? It’s so bizarre
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"Slavery STILL EXISTS in African and Islamic countries"
As an unpatriotic American, I don't believe in American Exceptionalism. Stop criticizing other countries when we are in a glass house. Fix here first instead of, "Look over there."
That's my point.
One the days these women are together u get to see how bri has to backtrack when she pushes a narrative past fact
when you attack DEI you're attacking Briahna's entire existence
And don't tell me, let me guess . . . Trump is the stable genius. Biden, Hunter Biden, the Clintons, Pelosi, Cuban and Rufo for that matter, are all qualified for their positions. 🤣🤣🤣
You should get offline for a while if this is your honest opinion. Yeesh.
This is Brianna show if you don’t like it then don’t watch. Bye ✌️
Unlike The LibsofTiktok creator, who has now been given a state’s library media advisory in Oklahoma while not having any experience in a job role that would prepare you for that. The ultimate DEI hire.
@@lokimsjrrd3451 yah I don't like the libsoftiktok person, this video has nothing to do with her, so I've no idea why you mention her, I guess you're super triggered :(
Good god, who cares about how law offices work, Bri?
She was trying to add context but I get your point.
Haha. Yeah we’re gonna read Nicole Hannah Jones.
Lol I thought the same too. She knows better, that those words are too big for conservatives to understand.
@@tilleryinnovations592 sick burn
@JRB2323 sad truth
The problem I have with CRT or DEI is that it encourages different treatment of people based on the color of their skin. Isn't that what we want to stop doing?
DEI includes veterans, LGBTQ, different religions, so you don't really know what you are talking about do you?
Bri, the problem I have with CRT or DEI is that it attributes evil to a particular race or skin color, rather than acknowledging that all people contain both good and evil.
I don't think Bri is being fair to Christopher Rufo. I don't follow him on X (Facebook is the only social media I have), but I did read his book. The book covered the careers of four leftists, the last of whom was Derrick Bell, who is associated with CRT (from which Rufo argues DEI derives--essentially DEI is the creation of a bureaucracy to implement the ideas of CRT). At least in the book, he never says things like white men are not getting a fair shake. Rather he keeps his arguments fairly substantive.
I'm just glad to hear the actual debate start to be addressed. The name "DEI" itself is meant to obfuscate the term "equity" by sandwiching it between two more agreeable concepts.
This allows Marxists to dismiss critics as "anti-diversity" rather than engage honestly.
On top of that, the selection of the term "equity" also comes across as intentionally misleading, as it's phonetically similar to "equality" to make gullible people believe they are similar concepts even though they are actually mutually exclusive.
The structures made hundreds of years ago are so much more beautiful than those made today. Assuming progress, how is that possible?
Safety standards, quality control and cheaper labor and production costs.
@@gtrdxz Not a single thought to elevating the human soul.
yeah, like all the wonderous structures were built on the backs of slaves? Including the WH and US capitiol. Even the Smithsonian.
Nocole Hannnah Jones, the fiction writer who won a Pulitzer for an article that had to be redacted on the down low due to its lack of any basis in history or reality, yes definitely read her drivel.
Brianna, there are incredible inequities in fashion design with homosexual men compared to heterosexual men.
There are inequities in the NBA with white players compared to black players.
There’s no question that white basketball players can be as good as black basketball players.
There are inequities.
That doesn’t mean we should shoehorn anyone who fits the demographic into a desired outcome when they have not earned it.
Brianna, there is a lot of black wealth in this country. You would think some of us black folk would buy and operate our businesses. But nobody really talks about it like that. Ice Cube owns his own basketball league. Why does he have to be the only one with even half a clue.
That was fascinating and we need more conversations like it! Thank you ladies
How is DEI not criminal? It creates a hostile work environment
Thats BS, most DEI programs at work are optional.
Briahna I am a white man. But before that I am you brother under God in heaven.
Bri says shes the only one in the room who worked in corporate America while working for a corporation?
Not equiality - color-blind merit decisions is not what DEI is pushing
Didn't Earn It
Bri: we need DEI so we can help poor black students overcome the historical disadvantages from slavery
Also Bri: only 10 out of 150 black students in my class were descendants of slaves.
I simply have no words...
How her mind works is a shell game.
Rufo’s goal is sincerely motivated because he opposes the identity hyper consciousness movement which is at the heart of the DEI industry.
lets start with the NBA and NFL
Bri " Just read the new Nikole Hannah-Jones article..."
Nope
Exactly. Nope. Not reading more Marxist garbage
Bri is a product of DEI
She didn't have to say it to know it, when she speaks it becomes abundantly clear.
If you could provide any evidence of that I will paypal you $1000. The truth is Bri is a decent journalist and a decent debater whether you agree with her or not.
I have no idea if Bri is a product of DEI, however she is a highly biased journalist that constantly gives strawman arguments and obfuscates facts@@stefmanpkb
Re: Cuban's question about the contradiction of "the government bureaucracy is absolutely awful at everything but implementing DEI and left wing policies?"
Government bureaucracies excel at creating dysfunction. DEI is foundationally dysfunctional so of course the government is good at implementing it.
Thank you Bri, for the reminder of why I don’t watch The Hill anymore.
2nd that
Well, not withstanding your reasoning, we do live in a democracy and in a democracy, you have a choice, and it’s your choice as to why you do or don’t engage in certain activities.
So instead of telling us why you don’t watch the Hill anymore maybe you should tell us exactly who or what is it, that is at the core of your comment.
I mean wouldn’t that shed some light on the subject matter, and add another element to the discussion or is this subject just to complex or is it hitting at a core issue, that you don’t have the courage to address, because it makes you too uncomfortable?
Intelligent women tend to intimidate a lot of people. Most. (It's not as though other women welcome them.)
Yeah, it's that simple.
@@theodorehaskins3756 Not what these guys are about. 😂
@@theodorehaskins3756Since when did we live in a Democracy? I always thought, as did the founding fathers who created said government, that we live in a Constitutional Republic. Silly me.
If you think we live in a democracy, then go on ahead to capital hill and try to vote in a legislative session and see how that works out.
You truly said a shitload of nothing unless you were trying to ramble on and on and on.
I feel like Brie had a fair point about perhaps male mentors shying away from some of the one on one attention they might give a male subordinate
Tldr; harvard educated, lawyer, managerial class member in perpetual state of victim hood
I’m sure Briahna doesn’t “know about all that “. And too bad that someone joked that her afro looked like a clown wig. So precious
Bri did not want to engage. She wanted to prevent engagement. And acted in bad faith
Bri, please listen and study more the words and thoughts of Glenn Loury, Thomas Sowell, John McWhorter, and Coleman Hughes.
Great segment - informative and didn’t stray too far from topic.
Really appreciate Amber, " The Duke ".
We know how this convo would have gone if Robbie had been sitting in the chair...
Really great conversation.
Why not allow companies to be exempt from discrimination lawsuits etc, if they have a higher percentage of black employees at each level (worker, mid-level, management) than the national average (13%)? I think companies fear the ambiguous nature of discrimination lawsuits. If they fire a black employee then they would have the option to replace them with another black employee. As a happy side effect, this would rip apart traditionally liberal industries like the tech Industry because they have the lowest numbers of black employees.
Uh, because that's illegal? You want to exempt companies from discrimination lawsuits as long as they're discriminating against everyone except black people.
@@utah_koidragon7117 I am not saying this is a perfect solution, but it is a far better solution than the HR wars that are going on now. Any accusation of anything is going to end an employee's career immediately even if it is ridiculous. No one wants to take the risk. It would also make companies more competitive because minorities would compete against each other for the best positions. Currently we have a situation where employees who are the most ruthless with the HR complaints can get rid of the competition
The death of meritocracy signals the rise of mediocrity at best.
Chinese immigrants suffered through the cultural revolution (1966-1976) where millions of people died, most by starvation, then they came to America and became one of the highest earning groups. Why are they different than other groups that faced horrible histories? The have a culture that values education above all else and are willing to work at an extreme level. Other groups that wish success should barrowing their culture of education and extreme work ethic, this would make the path to success a more likely outcome.
Bri quoting Jones is rich. Her hot takes make a lot more sense now when her teacher is a charlatan.
😂 Libs don’t even know what they represent.
Hey Brie, my demographic group has virtually zero representation in fashion, film, music, sports, etc. How'bout we trade, African-Americans are over-represented in culture anyway, no? Or do you want DEI only in areas where other groups excel and demonstrate excellence?
Also short out of shape people don’t have enough representation on NBA teams. Can I get my NBA contract now? Should we all get equal court time?
Saying someone’s hair looks like a clown is not a race specific thing though Bri assumes it was. Depends on the hairstyle…
I'm bald and have been called Mr. Clean. I've had my boss at a previous company, who is a black lesbian, rub my head 'for luck'. And look, no harm done. Love her. One of the best bosses ever. She can rub my head for luck all she wants. But it goes to your point. And imagine if Bri had to endure something like that! Ha!
@@deadgolfer6345@deadgolfer6345 It depends on the circumstances, and of course, some people can have bad intent disguised as a joke.
There was a guy who joined our class when we were all 15 - he had what the Americans would call a Jewfro, but he was 100% White and Irish.
All the girls wanted to touch his hair. I wanted to touch his hair to see what it felt like because I'd never seen hair like that.
A lot of black discourse around hair is basically saying any comment on black hair by white people is evil, and black people are exempt from reasonable rules about hair length/height/style.
Some of it is valid, but a lot is bad faith, taking offence and seeking special treatment...
@@daramccluskey Yeah, I'd call it shortsighted at best, malicious at worst. But some take offense to the hair thing or similar and just never consider that things like that might happen to others as well.
Question, would a 30-year-old long-haired junior lawyer be called out for his hair choice, too?
I know the answer to that is yes.
So let’s not cry victim when a conservative law firm doesn’t like some of your hairdos
I think if you just thought racism, not only hire one group of people, teach young adults and some adolescents about gender identifications e.t.c, you don't need to put a name to it. Just do it.
Hold up, I'm black, and I went to school with all races. Grew up in suburban nj
There are lot of people who think we are still in the 1960's.
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DEI is what people use to check the right political boxes much like politically correct speech.
Good back and forth.
Critical Race Theory is the ideology, DEI is the implementation of that ideology. Rufo is not on "the latest thing."
She means her fake hair. And we can say it reminds us of anything if we happen to believe it so
Bri, I sure hear you about the whole going out for drinks with male colleagues. I have mostly male friends and even they sometimes struggle or at least seem a little uncomfortable with some things even though I told them to treat me like one of the guys, they know I"m a lesbian, and I'll not only laugh at raunchy jokes, but tell a few doozies myself. They just struggle with it for whatever reason. It sucks, though, because I understand that we have some physical differences with them, but we're all human in the end and our human respect should come before any of the other subcategories that society divides us into. On the one hand, this is just simply not the world we live in but, on the other hand, it seems that we should move that way but without glossing over who any human being is as an individual. Getting at the systemic root of any prejudice, but particularly prejudices against things that you really can't entirely hide about yourself like race and gender, it going to be difficult but I think that if we don't do it, we won't survive much longer as a species.
DEI= Didn't Earn It
Very rare Brie W.
Make it based purely on economic background and not race and people will accept that. The problem is these social justice warrior types cannot be trusted to leave consideration of race or whatever the "marginalized" social group du jour is out of it.
Briahna let me educate you. Business want to make money. They don't care what color skin a person has if they are good at their job.
What it really means? Are we in fcking elementary again?
bri: you have to sleep with me, you have to think I am cute.
BRI please interview Mark Cuban. Please. Watch the Lex Fridman interview.
Oh my God this conversation is completely worthless. I can see why that other reporter quit this particular news company because if this is the rambling nonsense that you have maybe just maybe you should get back to news and talking about things that are relevant instead of having these two egotistic, narcissist, talk to each other.
Bri is an expert at straw manning, equivocation, and projecting.
2ND CHALLENGE TO DEI AND CRT. I WILL LEARN AND PROMOTE IT SO LONG AS IT DOESN NOT INFRINGE UPON SOMEONES PERSONAL BELIEFS. SPEECH OR FREEDOM TO WORSHIP NO GOD OR ANY GOD THEY CHOOSE.
If that is not possible, then it also VIOLATES THE FIRST AMENDMENT, thus is unamerican.
oh employed in / by "big" law. wow you must have floored them. did you ever question your position may have been quota driven?
Read the title of this video and new Bri was going to have the absolute worsy take on this and speak for 90% of the video
11:25 ["...a bunch of bi-racial students...'] Brie, what is your intersectional definition and position on multi-racial people?
No thank you to reading more Nicole Hannah Jones. She’s lost all credibility. Furthermore, just because she was able to cite a couple examples of white people complaining after reconstruction that there was going to be discrimination against white people is not an argument for DIE /affirmative action
Really a businessman vs a talking head that has built his whole career as a talking head with no experience of actually hiring or running a company.
DEI is not just about race. It should be geared towards helping all disadvantaged groups experience equality and inclusion not just racial minorities. That is not what diversity is.
Correct, it's not just about race. DEI is about getting people to fear talking to each other as a first step to breaking down societal structures in order to pave the way for a cultural revolution. Helping disadvantaged/marginalized groups is the "legitimacy" smoke screen. Their words, not mine.
everything is about prerequisites, if you meet the prerequisites you excel, today they're trying to scrub the prerequisites in favor of social welfare and the end result is inferiority and a society that can't compete globally- not everyone can work for the government, innovation is the key to global competitiveness.
Of course, the DEI hire is a proponent of DEI
This is completely unfair. It is clear Brie is intelligent. Not sharing your opinion on certain topics doesn’t mean she is a DEI hire. It’s incredibly detrimental to the discussion of DEI to just see a minority woman and imply she didn’t get to her position on merit.
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Robert Greene says that intelligence provokes the most bitter envy.
The people that call every minority that disagree them a DEI hire says more about their ignorance
@@l.w.paradis2108 It’s clear she’s intelligent, even though I don’t agree with her on many points, she makes good arguments (as good as her ideology will allow her to), and she expresses herself with great vocabulary and is incredibly engaging.
She’s just good at getting the ultra-conservative folks upset with her leftist policy views. I know many smart people who think like her and I also know people who have benefited from DEI policies that didn’t earn their positions with intellect or skill… Brie isn’t one of them. I don’t even agree with her on DEI and here I am defending her thanks to the OP.
Bri, economic inequality is not because of skin color. It's because of culture. Example, Asians study more so they make more. Also stable committed marriages that exist for the sake of their children is another example. Why don't you stop making excuses for your people. You not helping them.
Briahna I saw a movie about a little black girl from your parents generation who was so good in math that she ended up working for NASA and helped put a man on the moon. Please stop making excuses for your people.
We are Not going to try and make up for whatever gaps in economic status exist because of past possible discrimination in certain parts of the country. Segregation was not nationwide by the way. and truth is there’s plenty of voluntary self segregation that occurred. regardless of that the laws have been changed and we have to just move forward and deal with the status as it is but no affirmative action based on race. Nope Briahna. Furthermore, the poor whites that were living at the same time as those Black people who were discriminated against often were in the same economic status as those blacks, and in the whole have not thrived either . As thomas Sowell often states its cultural behavior more than anything that affects general outcome regardless of the race. Yes plenty of poor white communities, they have dysfunctional, cultural behavior that hold them back as well..
What does DEI stand for? Didn't Earn It
No, that would be BG (Bill Gates)
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Plenty of people don't earn it. Before there was all this talk about DEI and wokeness there was a saying you probably heard, "It's not what you know; it's who you know." I suspect if all the affirmative action and DEI programs went away most of the angry YT commentors would still fail and not get hired for these high salary positions.
DEI= Destroying Everything Intentionally
@@joeyharper4976 There's something to destroy? I thought Wall Street got that done 16 years ago. The rest is hand waving and bombs.
@@Mkrake2024 It's a distraction. Quite an effective one, too.
The issue with a color blind concept is that when you look at things like interest rates, banking requirements, house appraisals, job application rates, etc. We find that even within social economic boundaries, race plays a role. When you are looking at comparing race versus social economic class you have remember LBJ's famous quote about poor whites looking down on blacks. The affect of race far surpasses social economic boundaries. Even going as to confirm the largest group that benefited the most from Affirmative action was white women. Let that sink in.
So that sounds to me like an argument to eliminate affirmative action?
@@big0bad0brad how does anything I wrote point you to removal of affirmative action?
It’s not racist to say Bri’s hair looks awful. People don’t have to like your hair style. Her hair has been looking atrocious recently I guess to match with her horrible takes.
I do not believe anyone told her she had clown hair. That is simply not a verifiable truth. It’s a talking point from black women
as a person that works at a top university and I am a minority the unconscious bias training has helped me with other minority groups also hiring is based on who you know not what you know very often, that is often the case at many businesses, we need to stop lying about the inequality in hiring, white boss hires mostly white staff, black boss hires mostly black staff if you dont have diversity in leadership you dont have diverse thought or staff, period, DEI has helped tremendously with an arary pf hires, the most unqualified were those who knew the boses, which is why diversity matters
All these elites debate definitions to avoid teaching people factual history and economics. Bri is spot on.
All of the tears in the chat - funny to watch you all get triggered. Sorry this isn’t a safe space for you anymore.
mark is ---ish
Cuban for Prez! He's right about DEI.
Bri is the ONLY reason why I watch the show
Bri is absolutely right and Amber is clueless as usual.
They both had good points, and something real to contribute.