John Adams meets the Dutch
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 26 май 2013
- John Adams has an awkward meeting in Amsterdam.
Present value of $10 million from 1790:
$259 million using the Consumer Price Index
$242 million using the GDP deflator
$4.8 billion using the unskilled wage
$10.8 billion using the nominal GDP per capita
$12.3 billion using the Production Worker Compensation
$860.00 billion using the relative share of GDP
A modest request indeed.
Source: www.measuringworth.com/uscompa...
(All rights to this clip belong to HBO). 
Кино
John Adams’ tour of Europe:
The British: 😡😠😒
The French: 🥴😜🥳
The Dutch: 😶😐😶
Thanks! I don't need to watch the show now. Nice summary.
Can’t love this enough! 😂😂😂
From a Dutch family, this is basically the culture. Stoic af.
@@jonathanerickson1543 Yet even the Dutch whine about Germans being too serious and having no humor.
The French know how to party back then. Too bad they lost their heads in the process.
"How much money do you seek?" typical Dutch, straight to the point.
We prefer the direct approach.
Like listening to my mother in law lol
Don't like English polite ceremonies?
As a Dutch expat, I had to unlearn this trait.
That guy asked what everyone in that group really cared about. Adams could have talked about the greatness of Dutch and American Republicanism all day, and in the end none of these merchant types would have cared one lick. They cared about 2 things - how much $ do you want and can you pay it back with interest. The request of $10 million was fairly modest and after Yorktown it was clear the American Republic could pay it back, so the loan went through.
The Dutch: The Original “GoFundMe” sponsors.
But not for free.
is a game the dutch=duits same thing
@@G1CAAAAEO well...........the tables were turned late 1940's
@@rolandet The Netherlands still is one of the richest trading nations around so much haven't changed actually.
@@G1CAAAAEO yeah. But guess where we'd be without the Marshall-planns
I love how the Dutch sit at a distance, arranged on one side of a table, with light streaming in across their severe faces from one window - just like a 17th century painting.
They gave us Vermeer. 😊
My Dad used to smoke cigars, specifically Dutch Masters Presidents. This reminds me of the picture on the box.
If you have not watched Barry Lyndon, I strongly recommend it. Imagine 17th century paintings converted to a movie.
18th century*
@@williamowsley9771 I remember those cigar commercials on TV in the 1960s. Plus Muriel Cigars.
"A modest man". Dutch for " I LOVE this MAN. Give him what he wants."
Especially the Calvinists that ruled back then liked modest people.
I thought he was being sarcastic, about the grandiosity of his 'republics'
(but then I am an Englishman)
@@seeriktus There's another way you can 'interprete' the scene.
The American mentions how both The Netherlands and the USA are republics and have much more in common.
Stern voice from the Dutch Elder: "We were a republic long before you, little rascal!"
American, hastily busy doing damage control: "You are our idol! We Americans LOVE the Dutch YAY!!!"
Dutch: "Ok... Let's deal."
@@seeriktusaccording to some inflation calculator I found $10m in ~1778 was worth ~$400m in today’s money. I think they were being sarcastic too, especially the guy to the right
Also considering they end up giving John Adams way less when the war ends
Being from a dutch family, I have to say... what a wonderfully friendly and approachable board! And such a spirit of adventure! These guys are like a bunch of young teenagers. Heartening to see.
That exuberant, huh? Dear God.
I'd hate to see what a Dutch funeral is like in comparison.
You kind of have to be Dutch or of Dutch descent to understand, not kidding.
Oh man. So emotional. This one funeral I went to, six years back, I think I saw a tear drop.
@Fred
Yes.
These men did not mean to be intimidating, they were just polite and respectfull in their specific way in giving Adams the opportunity to make his points and present his arguments.
And then immedeately coming down to the core question, because they did not want to waste anymore time in useless flattery and diplomacy.
Geweldige comment!
A series full of Dutch camera angles...except during a scene with the Dutch XD
Looks like they're trying to recreate the paintings of Vermeer.
Funnily enough, Dutch camera angles were actually invented by Germany - from the word Deutsche camera angle
@@drparnassus2867 It's closer to Rembrandt and Frans Hals. They both painted group compositions very similar to those in the video (and are quite famous). The shots of the Dutch in this scene are all references to the Dutch Golden Age paintings, though.
@@Alaplaya9 Thanks!
Those aren't Dutch camera angles at all. The subject isn't framed in the middle but the camera angle is still straight. A Dutch angle would be way crooked and usually pitched up or down (but not necessarily) and would be very noticeable. This is just a peculiar way of framing, nothing more.
That's the most cheerful bunch of Dutch I've ever seen.
Dutchmen*
@@readsomebooks666 Hollanders?
Then you have never been to carnival 😉
I've see more in the Netherlands.
Our neighbors always love to party.
😂
@@kayvan671 yes they do 😁
Never been so drunk as when i Party at University.
at least his diplomacy with the dutch went a lot better than his diplomacy with the french
well it is the french in adams defense
The Dutch have always been considerably less prone to fancy than the French.
The Dutch are more suited to Adam's nature then the French, they're businesslike and sedate. It's not surprising Adams gets on better with them than with the French aristocrats.
Dumpstermuffin1 what's with the constant moving camera now a days
There are a lot of similarities between the Netherlands and New England. Not a perfect match, but a lot of common cause. Both were maritime, mercantile regions run founded on middle class principles and meritocracy.
You hear it in their voice: 'Look man, we don't like the British either...'
We don't care who likes us
We will leave the popularity contest to you....the French and the Germans. ....
Good luck with that one.
I do not care if you like me, so long as you can cover the interest on the loan.
Who does?
Dutch are very pragmatic people by nature. They find the concepts of hate and love to be very irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. It's more like "How can you help us help you?"
Anglo Commando well not surprising seeing how the Dutch and English are literally brothers
The Iron Bank will have its due.
As a dutchman, I compliment this film on the performance of the language. The Dutch in this scene speak proper Dutch.
omdat het nederlanders zijn
If you want a movie catered to an English audience then you want Dutch actors who speak English so they have a convincing Dutch accent.
However, when the characters only speak Dutch, it doesn't matter whether the actors are actually Dutch because non-native speakers are unable to differentiate accents from a foreign language anyway, to them it only has to sound somewhat Dutch. So you get shows like Designated Survivor and Black List completely butchering the Dutch language as it's not important to get it straight. Credit goes to Black Sails however, they had Dutch actors speaking Dutch for a very short and unimportant scene. Amazing production value.
Waarschijnlijk door het feit , dat de acteurs Nederlanders zijn van geboorte. 🤣😂🤣
@Gappie Al Kebabi ...oke.
Do they speak the way Dutch would have sounded in the 1700s though? For example, I speak French and I know that the French in this miniseries sound like modern French speakers which totally throws me off. The Americans speak with 1700s era English accents but the French sound like my buddy. Very unrealistic.
The Dutch were more than happy to loan the money. They deeply resented the economic rise of Great Britain compared to their own stagnation. America would make a great independent trading partner, as well as a source of income from issuing credit. It was a great risk, but the rewards would be enormous. Indeed it did pay off as Hamilton shepherded through economic reform in the 1790s.
ah Hamilton he was the best secretary of treasury this country ever had
The Netherlands was also on the verge of the Industrial Revolution, which Britain had started but the headstart would not last for long.
valar The Netherlands were not really involved in the industrial revolution. As the 17th century, when we were a world power, was called the Golden Age, the 18th century was called the Silver Age. The money earned in the 17th was given out as loans, investment and consumed. In the 19th century we even kind of became a backward country compared to our neighbours.
Well, I guess the Netherlands could not compete with Britain, France and a unified Germany once they all industrialized and mobilized their much larger populations.
The Netherlands is like Sweden in that it was an early example of an efficiently run modern state that was able to mobilize its small population to an extraordinary degree and become a Great Power early on, then lose its place as Prussia, Russia and the UK went on the ascendancy. But they both could contest when it was just France and Austria and Spain was on the decline (and famously defeated by the Netherlands).
Britain and the Netherlands have always been at eachother during the 17th & 18th century due to Trade as Netherlands had amazing fleets of that time. We did have a brief alliance from 1686 to the beginning of the 18th century when William III took the throne of England (Who was Prince of Orange) Born in the Netherlands.
"A modest sum."
_"A modest man."_
I can think of no greater compliment I would want from anyone in the World.
Another detail that might be easy to miss, but is very significant here. Notice how the Dutch are not in some grand palace or opulent hall. They're in the 18th century equivalent of some dude's apartment.
Just to paint the picture of what that must have felt like. Imagine after visiting a bunch of 5 star hotels and huge corporate office buildings and getting shut down everywhere. You arrive at a small apartment with a dozen guys crammed on a couch staring at you, sitting on the equivalent of a folding chair, asking for a couple billion. And they just go: 'Ok. You want cash or transfer?'
VOC spares all the expenses
Bro thats a huge room most people lived in one small room that house looks oppulent
Not "getting shut down everywhere". Spain gave that ungrateful bastard hundreds of millions, only for him to complain about all the Spanish hospitality.
To me, the different interiors in France and the Netherlands are spelling out one basic truth: Whereas the leaders of France are living on borrowed money like there was no tomorrow, the leaders of the Dutch have been silently increasing the substantial wealth that has been handed down to them all the way from the Golden Age.
you think too much, the director simply asked the actors to sit in the manner of De Staalmeesters, the Rembrandt painting that depicted a bunch of Dutch merchants, since the layout is roughly era appropriate, 100 years prior to Adams' time perhaps, but what can you expect, it's the cinema so they go for quick and easy visual association
This might surprise some of y’all but getting such directness from the Dutch is actually a huge compliment, it’s basically them conveying “I think this is very much worth my time, and time is money so let’s get on with it. “ If they instead would’ve been nice John should’ve been worried because that’s the Dutch way of apologizing for the time talking being wasted before showing you out. As a son of an American father and a Dutch mother this scene is very interesting because it shows both customs so well and how they work the other way around respectively.
"They had it all figured out." --Parisian noble
To your mind, is the comment "A modest man" a slight or is it a compliment?
@@majuli8420 Typical Dutch sarcasm, but not negatively so.
Yes. I am from New York. We inherited the Dutch ways
@@majuli8420being modest is a compliment.
But in this case it was sarcasm, like when some asks for a “small loan of a billion dollar” and you respond with “you aren’t asking much, are you”.
Basically saying “you are asking to much, but I am not throwing you out immediately, so state your case clearly but be careful”
"May I remind you that Apple Pie was a Dutch food long before 'as American as Apple pie' was even an expression"
Nice
Yankee is apparently a bastardized version of the Dutch Jan Kees, meaning John Doe, or Joe Sixpack, or your average dude.
It's a joke
Indeed,...so were pancakes and cookie's,...not to mention culture.
@@thatdutchguy2882 even cookies? I thought those would be universal
There are so many amazing things about this little scene. The shaky camera, empty dark space and ironic Dutch angles to convey Adams’ nervousness. The dark vs light to reference Rembrandt paintings. The static and steadiness, and portrait style capture of the assembly. Adams’ attempt to “read” them and proceed in his best attempt at discreet English style. The Dutch slight smile at the mention of revolution...the quick “How much?” And then, IMO the best part, a couple jabs of wry, sarcastic Dutch humor amongst the solemn gentlemen...
I also love how this show portrayed the various European countries as so different from each other, yet so close by, including shared history. This is the most surprising yet noticeable thing for Americans.
I love your comment. What an eye.
This is brilliant cinematography.
Thank you.
I think you have issues comprehending our differences since you love to put us all in the same basket but we are not, the little confederation that is the European Union is not a singular country nor does it encompass all of Europe.
NapoleonBonaparte OK, Napoleon Bonaparte; so stop invading other countries, ok? We don’t all want to be Corsican.
@Luís Filipe Andrade Like what? I'm Croatian I have nothing in common with a Dutchie, other than being in the EU.
Also considering that the Dutch at the time were at the height of their Golden Age and though being a small nation were a massive international trading empire that could rival any other nation in Europe in terms of wealth and trade-power. Albeit not a military powerhouse like the French or British Empires they were very influential trough diplomatic actions and trade. Yet despite all of that they were a modest and down-to-earth society with no dreams of splendor like Versailles or ambitions of empire like the British.
That long-winded introduction and then... "How much money do you seek, Mr. Adams?" LolThe Dutch... a no-frills people who cut right down to business.
This was one reason why Adams got sent to the Netherlands to negotiate: he was terrible at French schmoozing that Franklin excelled at, while the Dutch straight-forward business style suited Adams' direct appeals.
Still going on to this day. Some may find us harsh but we cut straight through the bullshit and get down to busines.
Gues Who: In some respects (not all), Dutch (particularly the Frisian dialect) is the closest language to English. The Dutch have always been able to learn and speak it easily, just like the Scandinavians.
This really isn’t true, I wouldn’t make assumptions on an entire nation of people jus from a one minute clip
@Kilo Byte Hi, Kilo! Full-disclosure before we get started: I'm a flag-waving American Nationalist who is also happy he's an English speaker, and you're a spurging tard even by the standards of a proud modern Know-Nothing. Thanks for making EVEN idiots like me look diplomatic. We really appreciate it. Just so we're clear, you took issue with the Dutch Boy's use of the word "chauvinistic" and did this long, drawn out thing where 1.1 bln speakers = greatness. So...how many mandarin speakers are there?
Also: Dutch was the language of diplomacy and trade in the Dutch century. French came next. Then English in the modern era. We just happened to coincide with the transition to the modern era...and this was really the Brits more than the Americans, obviously...since, you know...they had the world empire that fucking spawned us.
Probably the most realistic portrayal of Dutch people in a movie or series - ever. The similarities are uncanny.
Its a pretty easy feat there are many dutch people on earth to choose from
Basically: "Time is money. How much?"
Suits my style.
@Baron Von Grijffenbourg Just perfect!
@Baron Von Grijffenbourg I can respect "to the point" straight to business kind of people. Far easier to deal with and make friends with which benefits everybody. And more comfortable to be around once you've broken the ice
@Google Needs TobeBombed New Yorkers when we talk business are very much like the Dutch here, but when it comes to leisure we're very much French in this show.
Damnit Lawrence if you wanna talk just come over!
Lived in The Netherlands a few years back. They really haven’t changed much.
We dress a lot less in black, but otherwise, yeah.
The Dutch Republic could not compete with the manpower and resources of other European powers but made up for it with a highly efficient political system that gave it a lot of strength for its size and a lot of wealth per capita.
The Dutch were respected and feared on the Sea, I'm British and know of more than one instance where they taught us a lesson
You forget the great strength of the Dutch were their colonies, they had very little but those little sat on great resources.
valar
'' The Dutch Republic could not compete ''
Ehh, the V.O.C. (a private company) created the first real navy and practically wiped out all competition for over a century.
Let's not forget that Britain, (former) owner of the largest empire in history, is also a relatively small nation, both limited in manpower and resources. Britain only had a population of 8.6 million according to it's first census in 1801, compared to France's 28 million. If it hadn't been for the fact that the British navy was allowed and willing to use some truly horrific and inhumane methods to fill it's ranks (kidnapping, financial extortion, hiring mobs to literally steal children away from the countryside, etc.), they never would've been able to compete either.
The Dutch never shared that level of commitment to naval dominance.
@@runi5413 Because it's very easy to defend yourself when you have the greatest defense a nation could ever have, an ocean.
He's not wrong, here in rural NY I can walk about 10 minutes and find the remnants of nearly 400 year old stone walls from the old Dutch farms.
How do you know they're Dutch? Near which town?
@Gappie Al Kebabi TROLL
The Dutch didn't build them Trumps ancestors did. They didnt want any immigrants on their land.
@@dalepeto9620 Pick up a book and stop acting stupid. It's common knowledge
@@seanwalters1977 Amen. It's taught even over here, in Poland, in high school history - and even though 90% of the class is about Polish history.
That shot of them all starring at him in silence, fuckin priceless xD
As a dutchmen I found this very amusing because it is so accurate and so very typically Dutch.
The Netherlands and Switzerland were an inspiration to the Founders being they were successful republics among monarchies.
Thomas Paine specifically mentioned this in his Revolutionary manifesto Common Sense.
Thank you for the $10 million! 🇺🇲🇳🇱🇺🇲🇳🇱🇺🇲
I always love how Benjamin Franklin and Thomas Jefferson got along well with the French.
But John Adams got on really well with the Dutch- A no nonsense, honest man.
"The Netherlands were a republic before the US was even an idea". Jefferson took the old dutch independence declaration and copy pasted it into the DOI. Greets
@@ezandman6804 and John Locke as well. The Declaration is a remarkable work of plagiarism.
@@kenfresno5218 Aha ok thanks. I'm from the Netherlands. I like history. I find this clip pretty good. Bye
More like the distillation of 500 years of western thought, articulated in quiet possibly the greatest political declaration of sovereignty the world has ever seen.
@@ezandman6804 I'd say our Constitution is superior to theirs. We normally don't arrest people for defending their homes against burglars.
A small loan of 10 million dollars
*initial loan*
It's the Dutch. This *is* small loan.
Plus, the Dutch have a tradition of kicking the Royals in the rear.
Lend me $10 million
I think a subtlety is lost on a lot of people who watch this scene: if the Dutch were not moved by Adams' words, they would not have asked him what he needed so directly. They use that direct business-like approach only towards causes and people they consider worth the trouble. If they found no common ground with the US their dismissal would be just as brief and forthwith, i.e. they would not even have asked for the required sum.
It's a distinct cultural trait of the Southern Germanic peoples like the Netherlands, Germany, Austria, etc.: blunt, direct, no-frills conversation. It can be quite surprising and perhaps a bit off-putting for the overly polite sensibilities of Britain and America.
Exactly right.
Could you imagine that the French, being quite the contrary in temperament and spirit.
And Louis Napoleon, the French Emperor's own kid brother, being sent to be his puppet to rule over the Dutch from 1806-1810,
actually *fell in love* with his Dutch subjects and they with him.
So much so that he actively sabotaged his brother's imperial demands?
Emperor Napoleon demanded that Holland sent 30,000 men to join his Imperial Army.
Louis told his older brother that there were mostly boys and old men left in Holland so he would not be able to meet his brother's demands.
Emperor Napoleon wanted to isolate Great Britain by banning all trade with the island nation (his greatest enemy).
Louis turned a blind eye to Dutch smugglers maintaining illegal trade with the British.
When Emperor Napoleon finally sent one of his trusted generals in command of a powerful army to Holland, demanding that they be met with celebration, pomp and circumstance,
Louis flatly refused.
It went even so bad that Louis was dismissed from his post by the French Emperor, sent into exile in Germany but he never returned to France.
He died in Florence, Italy.
@@Christopher_TG Some Americans are all those different nationalities, and some Americans act that way too. Including me haha
@@seandunn2062 Something europeans never quite nail down about americans, we really are that melting pot, all of the cultures of europe and beyond exist here, in varying degrees. and so to do the personality traits often attributed to specific places in europe, the same can be said for the different states. , where every part of america has its roots in the immigrants who founded them.
This scene kinda reminds me of how King Stannis was asking for a financial loan from the Iron Bank.
The Dutch were the Iron Bank.
nodinitiative I don't want to sound like a snob but if you haven't read the series of aoiaf please do. It's a modern masterpiece.
Maxxx Strong Everyone who watches should. Stannis didn't go to the Iron Bank. The Iron Bank went to Stannis.
That's exactly what this is. At the time, the Netherlands were creating new innovations in fractional reserve banking. See, when you have paper currency bank notes, the idea is that you can exchange this note for gold anytime you want to at a branch of a bank. The Dutch banks realized that, so long as a lot of people didn't turn in their notes for gold all at once, they could print more notes than they could exchange! That's fractional reserve. And it alliws you to expand your markets. The Dutch were a serious economic powerhouse at the time.
Too bad John Adams didn't have a Ser Davos to help plead his case.
I'm sorry..but the Dutch panel looks like the picture on a box of "Dutch Masters" cigars..
disoriented1
LOL. No kidding!
disoriented1 It was, in fact, the model for the Dutch Masters.
gee what a coincidence
Well, yes.
There must be some reason why that cigar box picture looks like it does, hmm... what could it be?
It is remarkable that John Adams went to Holland under his own initiative, without sanction from the congress and achieved this stupendous feat. Adams always seemed to get better results when he followed his conscience and took his own initiative to get things done, rather than follow Franklin or other emissaries around. It is too bad he did not exercise this trait later on while he was president.
I think this may had more to do with the presidency having limited power back on the day.
@@Diabetic_Chicken69 That and the fact that he kept Washington's cabinet, which was a huge mistake. Washington's secretaries hated Adams and did everything they could to undermine him.
+How much money do you seek?
-10 million dollars
+...
-...
+Do you have Tikkie?
Reminds me of the application process for my home equity loan.
lol
This one must
1. Laten wij eens luisteren naar wat die rebelse Engelse kolonist te zeggen heeft/ Let's listen politely to what this rebellious English colonist has to say.
2. Hij kletst te veel en verknoeit onze tijd./He dabbles on too much and is waisting our time.
3. Laten wij tot de kern van de zaak komen./ Let's get down to the core of the business.
4. Hoeveel geld hebt u nodig, meneer Adams?/ How much money do you need, mister Adams?
5. Is dat alles? Voor het financieren van een hele revolutie?/ Is that all? For financing a whole revolution?
6. Een bescheiden verzoek. Een bescheiden man./ A modest request. A modest man.
And of course they granted the loan.
Making life miserable for the Brits? Allways!
This is a bargain. Costs a whole of lot less than waging war ourselves.
They don't until later, they deny him at first. The loan of $2 million is awarded when news comes of G. Washington's victory at York Town... at least in this series... I haven't verified it... tv series or movies tend to be wrong about history.
Perfect grammatical translation.
Thanks!!!!
Thank you, this is extremely helpful!
-Een bescheiden man
Many thanks for the translation.
John Adams: “Damn, I should’ve asked for more”
Well he did say INITIAL loan...
Tell me: what's one-third of 10 million dollars? I want my share...
Just had to look it up.
John Adams 'only managed' to get 5 Million Guilders from the Dutch Republic.
But in today's money, (not just corrected for inflation but how much you could do with such an amount of money), it would be the equivalent of
*150 BILLION DOLLARS*
Whoa!
Jauzaa! My socks twirled a full 360 degrees on my feet as I read that.
And part is still not repaid with compound interest.
A few years ago the dutch prime minister presented a coppie of that loan to trump .
He was a bit in shock
@@marcusfranconium3392 That sounds like misinformation. I can't find anything about that anywhere online. And I have no doubt that if some insignificant European politician tried to embarrass President Trump over something that he had nothing to do with and was not his concern, the media would have been all over it.
@@RabbiHerschel National archive doesnt lie there and dutch contracts on loans are well documented and some still active for the past 700 years . There is even 1 loan paper that was bought by an american museum . that requires 24 cents a year as a tax for the dutch waterboard .
None of this is online as they are part of archives and museums .
And there is still a few videos where the dutch prime minister handed that copie to trump . as the original is still in the national archives.
Dutch spokesman: "How much money do you seek?"
Adams: "Ten million dollars"
Dutch spokesman: "What's a 'dollar'?"
A 'dollar' (or more specifically a 'thaler') was just a general word for a silver coin weighing about 1 ounce. The US dollar was initially pegged to it and until the Civil War period, any silver coin that fit this description (especially Spanish ones) were legally considered to be a dollar.
It might have been a relevant question at the time, as a country seeking independence might have trouble stabilising its currency or even having it recognised in international markets. The value of Continental Congress-issued dollars fluctated wildly and late or inadequate pay in them seems to have been a factor in desertions from the patriot army.
I believe Spain had dollars at the time.
The world dollar actually came from the dutch word 'daalder'.
@@jessiemagee1760 or swedish "daler"...
This video: mentions the Dutch
The Dutch: *G E K O L O N I S E E R D*
*G E N O R M A L I S E E R D*
#DutchMasters ad!
Dammit i wish i knew Dutch xD
I like how he got nervous from a compliment because he didnt understand them
At its peak the VOC was worth the equivalent of Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, ExxonMobil, Berkshire Hathaway, Tencent, and Wells Fargo put together.
They’re not being sarcastic when they call it a modest request, they’re being sincere.
At this time the Dutch East India Company was at the height of its influence. Adjusted for inflation its market capitalization is estimated at something like over $1 trillion (with a T) USD. Even Apple is only a fraction of that. The Netherlands was the richest country per capita in Europe by a wide margin at the time.
In 1780 the VOC glorydays were long gone, and the company was almost bankrupt
Apple at the moment has a value of around 1 trillion whereas the voc at its peak was around 8 trillion
Funny to think that the american independence was indirectly supported by "inlanders" through the east indies company a.k.a VOC
@@dimaswirantoraharjo2547 what?
@@Max-is4quFirst of all i mean no disrespect to anyone.
The natives in the east indies were enslaved so that the VOC could gain provits. Those provits inderictly helped the american revolution, since the netherlands use those provits to aid the americans to get their independence. It's not weird at all, considering it was afterall, the age of colonialisme. And ofcourse, it was in the past, all are "under the bridge". But the thought that some vilagers and slaves in some archipelagic state contributed to the birth of one of the strongest civilizations in the world, now thats something
The shot at 0:10 is just perfect. Nearly made me laugh out loud. Great homage.
Mr. Adams, across the Atlantic your books are filled with words like "usurper" and "madman" and "blood right." Here, our books are filled with numbers. We prefer the stories they tell. More plain. Less open to...interpretation.
Elxaime well at least Adams never became subservient to a fanatical cultist who took to incinerating children for spite
Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor maybe not, but he probably won’t be the one to reestablish a nation either.
The books full of numbers makes sense. Your people have a long history of excellence in business.
@Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor haha i can see stannis burning someone tho. It might not be shreen but stannis does need the snows to stop. Maybe he burns theon or ashaw
HOLY SHIT I LITERALLY JUST WATCHED THAT CLIP WITH STANAS ANF THE IRON BANK, BRAVO SIR BRAVO!!
Modesty is the virtue of the Dutch. A great and noble people! :) Thank you for your support, long live the Dutchies! 🇳🇱🇳🇱🇳🇱
and thus the national debt was started
Haven't I seen you before on a comment chain? :p
+Jason Raczkowski Thus was the credit of the United States established.
+Paul-Octave Hébert But, they do tend to brag about their modesty and rectitude... and, as they see it, their general superiority.
Paid for in full, and then some, during World War II.
a great clip, the dutch actors are actually speaking dutch and how a dutch person would speak english
I've done business with a Dutch company for nearly 20 years. This is so accurate.
"Wat mot je"
In what ways? Just curious
Ah yes, finally a foreign show that does the Dutch language correctly, in shows like Sharpe you hear terrible Dutch lol.
Band of Brothers also did it correctly.
Terrible Dutch, now that's soldiering!
@@Spoon3rYT yes
Well Dutch is not really a real language
@@zenodotusofathens2122 je kanker moeder op een driewieler met een jonko in d'r bek
Asking for help in the Netherlands, France and Spain for the common english hatred and resentment was the best course of action
"10 miljoen dollar? Op je muil, gauw!"
USA: We're both republics! We brothers af! And we both hate the Brits! Remember New Amsterdam?
Netherlands: Yeah sure. How much do you want to borrow?
USA: 10 million bucks hehe
Netherlands: ayt m8
Dutch efficiency right there xD
Just like god intended
A truly efficient people
Netherlands: Such a modest request
The Dutch: "(First state that we are the greatest, that we are your idol!)"
John Adams: "(Done and done)"
The Dutch: "HAVE SOME MONEY"
A mere 5 million guilders at the time, which today, not just adjusted for inflation but for scarcity of money and actual goods and services you could buy with that amount:"
DR EVIL: *150 BILLION DOLLARS!*
Their dutch was ASMR af tho
Smooth as #RussianCream :P
I was wondering if anyone else came here for that.
Dutch = less graiting German.
This is the Dutch Masters trademark!
well it looks like the Dutch have barely changed
If only we could convince them to go back to this style of dress.
I am Dutch and I can confirm we all wear black hats, black suits and spend most of our day discussing financial proposals.
Well, when we're not busy checking the list of things we're at war with and being satisfied that all entries except "The sea" have been crossed out with even the Scilly Islands wanting to make peace with us after 350 years.
@ I find the Dutch language to be quite a charming one.
Can you say the same about Mother Holland?
Im American and starting ti consider moving to a European country. I need guidance on which one. Willing to learn a new language.
One thing that has changed is that modesty isn't seen as a virtue anymore. Pity.
Hey little republic form across the sea, lemme hold 10 million dollas!
+bh5496 Never let the size of its territory be the deciding factor in determining the power of a nation. The Dutch Republic was past its prime during John Adams' lifetime, but it was still one of the wealthiest nations in Europe. During its heyday in the 1600s, it ranked among the European Great Powers.
+bh5496 Later they, the Dutch, do provide loans to the US through John Adams, they show it later in the series. I think they offer $2 million as the first installment. It's interesting in the series they cut with scissors a loan certificate giving John Adams the other part/receipt of the credited money, after the Victory at York Town, Virginia.
***** It was a joke in reference to an American TV show "Everybody Hates Chris."
bh5496 your missing the point
America is Holland it's Britain it's Germany Europe created USA
Where did statue of liberty come from.
Sturgeon I urge you to check your map, those 13 small states were bigger than some European countries
For reference, $10 Million back then is equivalent to $500 Million today.
I see they skipped the part where they offered him a shmoke and a pancake.
Or a bong and a blintz.
They went straight to the GOOOOOLD!
Well, for their usual mood, the Dutch look cheerful here.
They took off those wooden shoes.
@@tmseh Nope. Wooden shoes are for peasants and paupers. And American tourists.
I wonder if they even offered refreshments mr. Adams?
@ind0ctr1n3 My apologies. It was a tongue in cheek comment. It would be like saying all Americans wear cowboy hats and carry guns.......
....the gun thing, yeah, too many guns and assholes.🤟
@@tmseh Can you make a comment without shitting on somebody's culture? Here's your third try.
I have no idea about this series but THANK YOU FOR ACTUALLY USING DUTCH ACTORS. The accents are Dutch and the Dutch is... Well, Dutch. I hate it when, especially American series just use a random European accent (usually sounds like a drunken Dane) and use wrongly pronounced Google translated Dutch. This is great.
Dutch though isn't a real language
@@zenodotusofathens2122 languages don't exist, the border between languages and dialects are political, not linguistic. That said, Dutch has limited mutual intelligibility with any other languages, and the languages it does have it with, at least spoken (Afrikaans, German, perhaps Luxembourgish) it's usually one way (to Dutch io from Dutch). By any definition, it's a language my friend.
Drunken Dane xD Spot on tho.
Even worse, when they think German = Dutch.
If you're gonna use Dutch, do it properly.
@@zenodotusofathens2122It is as much of a language as German is.
@@kimashitawa8113 No. German is a real language. Dutch is bastardized.
Poor Adams sitting all alone facing this group of wealthy, darkly dressed Dutch hoping to convince them to fund the war. This a great series and Paul Giamatti does an incredible to job playing John Adams.
John Adams meets with the Dutch Merchants Guild
Dutch Merchants Guild: *Hey hey people...*
You are all truly wonderful.. have a good one
A warm thanks to the many members of the merchants guild who generously bankrolled this revolution.
After this meeting, John Adams took a long, dank bong hit in the local Amsterdam coffee shop.
He needed it. The Dutch are so anal they give ass holes a good name.
Why do I feel like smoking a cigar all of a sudden?
Go with it.
Dutch masters cigar?
Perhapsh a shmoke and a pancake?
I’m proud to say that John Quincy Adams and myself both attended the same Alma Mater, Leiden University. In the registry of the university you can find his name as ‘Johan Adams’.
He basically asked for half a trillion dollars in today's money.
10 million dollars in the 1770s is the equivalent of 380 million today.
When John Adams met the Quaker oats guys.
Some fun facts: The Dutch language lasted as the most spoken language in New York City until the end of the mid 1800's. The language also persisted in various other towns of the New York and New Jersey states for even longer, though some had become currupt/crude versions that persisted into the early 1900's. The language may have persisted longer if not for mandated educational reforms and the widespread use of the printing press.
Adams secured the money and it was urgently needed for the American cause. The Money from other nations such as Spain, Germany, and the Italian Kingdoms also factored in. Adams and others personally insulted Ben Franklin from his perceived partying in the court of France with little to show for it.
Various volunteers from Dutch speakers appeared in the war fighting for both sides causing a severe divide in both states which saw Dutch Tories fighting Colonial Patriots. The vast majority tried to remain neutral, but at some points the British took revenge upon populations for the rebel acts of guerrilla warfare causing a shift of support.
The Dutch invented the word YANKEE it was Jann Kee
@@dalepeto9620 Jan / Kees. As most Dutchmen were called up until the 1950's
Didn't the British retaliate against the Dutch fleet too?
And after Napoleon rose to power, the Dutch nation was even more divided.
"Patriotten" or (Dutch) Patriots were armed activists who invited the French army over to set things right in The Netherlands.
Did you know our very first king (not of The Netherlands but King of Holland) was Louis Bonaparte?
We still haven't forgotten him.
Someone should make a movie about Louis: Lodewijk Napoleon Bonaparte, first King of Holland.
SPOILER:
Emperor Napoleon: "Hey Louis, sent me 40,000 men for my army pronto!"
King Louis: -"My apologies dear brother, your wars have killed of so many people already, we only have old men and youngsters left over here."
Emperor Napoleon: "Louis, remember my Continental System? No trade with the hated Brits! Slap those Dutch smugglers in irons!"
King Louis: -"Really, brother. You must be seeing things."
Emperor Napoleon: "Louis... You have been trying my patience these last few years. I am sending a full French army to The Netherlands to 'support' you. I expect you will receive my French Army and its commander with full honours and national festivities."
Koning Lodewijk: -"Eh, I not understand."
Louis went native and he was replaced after a few years by an agry Emperor Napoleon.
Lodewijk Napoleon went in exile and never returned to France.
@@AudieHolland I love your take on this. I recall that even after leaving the Kingdom he was beloved. Even he was surprised that they gave him a warm welcome while he was trying enter very low key. Normally his usual reception was at the time to be insulted by people simply due to his relation to his brother.
@@vguyver2 The dude even tried to learn speaking Dutch.
Even as someone proud of my own language, that´s rather a downgrade. French was and always has been regarded as the most cultured language in Europe.
It's kind of funny that a series which used the Dutch angle a lot seems to be devoid of them when the Dutch are actually involved.
Its interesting how they showed the dutch here like that we usually see in paintings. The way they are positioned on a table.
Damn bro you got the whole squad laughing 0:09
French: Let us have some fun, shall we?
Adams: Yeah nah.
Dutch: Let's get down to business. How much do you want?
Adams: Hell yeah. 10M initial loan.
Dutch: Sold!!!
How all business should be done
John Adams meets the merchants guild.
I chuckle every time I see the scene first switch from Adams to the Board. What an intimidating group!
Why is it every gathering of old Dutchmen looks like the box top of Old Dutchman Cigars?
Love this scene. Looks like a Dutch masters painting.
Stoic and straight to the point. No bs. Yep, they're Dutch
This series is so damn good. Even though I've watched it in its entirety many times, every so often I find myself watching clip after clip on RUclips.
Such a wonderful diplomat.
The Dutch were low key gangster af.
This is such a juxtaposition to the flamboyant Rococo scenes in France. What a beautiful nudge to two distinct contemporary art movements.
THis set is so pretty!
Haha...and then I believe they gave him a loan of Hfl.200.000.000,-...
The Dutch also have the longest unbroken friendship relation with the United States...the importance of their role in American independence is often forgotten...
The Dutch have been modern since the early 1600s
Wow, they had actual dutch actors to play those dutch merchants.
I'm so used to "dutch" characters in movies/TV shows speaking gibberish that's MEANT to be dutch that i'm genuinely impressed by this.
What movies hire fake Dutch people? I didn't realize that allegedly people treat Dutch people like the Muppets Swedish chef 🧑🍳
@@sgabig
It more that most of the time when a character is suppose to be speaking dutch, its sounds more like german or is just unintelligible to most dutch people.
Sometimes you can tell they TRIED, but just failed, sometimes its clear they barely bothered to check.
Off the top of my head, its usually 1 time characters or extra's.
Gunther, the server in "Friends" and a few 1 time characters.
"Johan van der smut" in Austen Powers.
In season 3 of "Blacklist" there are some character speaking "dutch", thats really butchered and partly german.
In "Oppenheimer", the part where he speaks "dutch", needed to be subtitled for dutch people
@@sgabigOppenheimer. The Dutch scene in that is preposterous, dude is just speaking a mix of German and gibberish. Which Dutch essentially is, but still lol
It’s like going to ask your parents money lol “Hey dad, my loving dad. Did you lose weight? Dad: How much money do you want?”
As I recall, Ambassador Adams secured the loan. The context is missing from this clip, it appears as though the Dutch were being rude or condescending...they were not.
They were gauging the temperment of Mr. Adams, who was rumored to be...spirited. They acted VERY appropriately to the man and the chaos his presence threatened the Netherlands.
They had fought THREE wars with the English and did not want another.
They sent Adams because he had a great FICO credit score.
Leaves his family to brave the Atlantic in a wooden ship and becomes deathly ill in order to humble himself to request desperately needed aid for the cause of freedom and basic human dignity. This is courage, grit, and determination unprecedented and unparallelrd in all of human history, with, of course, one exception.......the storming of the beaches of Normandy.
There have been many others.
John Adam’s: makes everything awkward
Ben Franklin: Makes the best deals
Back then the Netherlands had that kind of money to lend. How times have changed.
Right now the Netherlands has a GDP of 826 billion dollars. Also, we have pension funds containing 1300 billion euro's. The GDP per person is 48,489$.
I think you're right, we can lend much more, even considering inflation and so on.
The Netherlands is the envy of most of the world. Can hardly think of a more free and prosperous nation.
Al Gogh Rythm until they forfeit the pensions funds in favor of refugee programs and other funding for migrants.
The U.S. and Canada have a ton of immigrants and are stable and wealthy. Don't see why the Dutch can't do the same.
Pension funds invest money in order to make money... for pensions. Unless the refugee programs make a profit, they won't. Do you need more explanation or was this quite easy to understand?
0:11 Honestly looking at them is a bit freaky, it's like a living painting LMAO
This was a great series!
Which show is this?
@@daanmollema6366 It was called John Adams, i think it was from 2008 by HBO.
Excellent data you attach to this video. Congratulations.
Prior to the meeting, they offered him coffee and a cookie, but only one cookie. Additional cookies became a line item of the loan.
Nah, not a cookie. Just a biscuit.
@@Joylibelle not a biscuit, but a stroopwafel
Thanks Netherlands. I'll buy the next Dutch person I meet a beer or something.
Actually I just realized some of my ancestors were in the Netherlands at the time. Where's my fucking beer?
They look like a Rembrandt painting
*I wonder if this is where George R.R. Martin got the idea of the "Iron Bank" for GOT !*
He's not rude, he wants to get to the point
That means he's dedicated to doing busies
In ways political, cultural, religious, & economic, Netherlands was a parent nation to the USA. Theodore Roosevelt observed on this when he became President, of Dutch descent. Netherlands still has much to teach the world.
Nowadays it's decent cycling and water infrastructure
I miss this show!!
I was expecting "we need money, one last score Adams" but I received real Dutchs