What do musicians hear on stage?
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- Опубликовано: 27 сен 2024
- Ever wondered what musicians hear on stage?
This is a direct feed from Sean of @whileshesleeps in ear monitors!
All band & crew are hearing something very different to what the audience are!
not hearing the metronome because everyone is on beat is so fucking satisfying
Hearing everyone hit the beat because of the metronome is so satisfying.
Not having the metronome priceless.
When the metronome is just another percussion instrument 🪇😬🪇
fuck do you mean? you can hear it quite clearly throughout lol
Such a soul destroying way to play music !!
You know you’re groovin when that click just disappears bc you’re all so locked in
Best feeling ever honestly
best feeling ever when using metronome.
Nothing else like it
Playing to clicks is for robot sheep, and lame bands with no soul to jam.
@@ZeroESG.goopootoobsome use it live but don’t record in the studio to the click. The number of drummers who are fine with this because it makes their lives easier… You’re just a fool.
I knew they had metronomes but hearing eachother into a mix is super dope!
That's been around for a while ❤
It depends on the person and what instrument they play. I played both rhythm and lead guitar for 4 years weekly and would always just have lead vocals, metronome, a touch of percussion and the other guitarist. Keys bass and filler vocals were always killed for me.
Yep, even my band monitors ourselves, we sound like our recordings
Not all have metronomes in their monitors.
@@codycurnutte9778honestly if i had to play like this, I'd pre record fake and not care. Real music is like classical music or even jazz, nothing in your ear, no monitors. The idea of monitor makes it fake already for me so I'd really not care and fake the whole thing
They hear what they want to hear. A bass player might want only the bass drum and a click. The guitarist might want only bass n drums. It's really a personal preference thing
As a pro bassist I usually have to have the guitar or whatever lead instrument matching my volume. Only hearing bass drum and a click would be a disaster lol
@@ShadamAran I'm a drummer and learned in a live environment, playing with mostly just a guitarist. So I prefer the bass and guitar at equal volume too, and sometimes a tad of vocal for cues, but that depends on the venue.
It completely depends on what I'm playing that show if I'm playing bass I want to hear drum vox and guitar I don't want to hear myself, if I'm playing guitar I want evrything, if I'm doing vocals same as guitar
Yeah I can't imagine not having the guitar sound as well in fact as a bassist you need to hear absolutely everything.
Lmao dumbest shit take ever
The song name is Seen It All, the band is While She Sleeps
Seen it all while she sleeps? Interesting I wonder if she knows about it
Thank you for that
I’ve seen it all*
Thanks!
Thank you for the information
Keep On Keepin On
Sound engineer here - Monitor engineers are highly underrated. The Front of House engineer makes 1 mix for the entire audience but the monitor engineer has multiple mixes on the go. A 5 piece vand like WSS may have 10+ mixes (1x mic for each band member plus side fill monitors, drum box and maybe some stage wedges), plus the added sources like the click and cues on top
Shoutout to my fellow monitor engineers out there
Also with the levels in this short it sounds like we’re hearing a mix for the drummer
Went to college with this lad good to see him done so well
Sean is unreal! I could listen to an album of just him doing instrumentals
Most people have no idea that musicians can only hear what the sound man feeds them, and it is completely different from what the audience hears. Split out entirely different, sometimes featuring one thing over the other. For example, the bassist and drummer need to hear each other and everyone has to hear the lead singer so they know when to drop in and out at the breaks. When I played bass I had almost no interest in hearing the lead guitar, so that was diminished to half. When I played lead, I had little need to hear bass. If you don't get the feed, you can literally stand in front of the bass or guitar cabs or even in front of the drums and not hear any of those instrument. I once had a cable slip out of my cab (caused by a sloppy tech) mid song and while kneeling in front of my 850 watt cab, I couldn't hear what I was playing on a perfectly working amp. I lost the feed from the drums, once, and was in front of them and had no idea what the beat was. I had to turn around and watch his hands to know. If the sound is bad, never blame the band. Go see if the sound man is playing with his phone.
You can also mix your own ears
i love how the click disappears once they're locked in
The click is clearly there the whole time, the volume has simply been lowered in sections.
The drummer's off-time kickflubs necessitate that the click is always on.
I noticed opposite, how annoying it is constantly hearing it.
It doesn’t it’s terrible idk why they can’t just play normal
@@yoeyyoey8937 They are a very successful band - you are not in one. So shut.
Holy crap they are freaking tight 🔥🔥
Fuck yes! And thats what it takes for this kind of music / rythm patterns🤙
@@nephosl5292except old school prog bands didn't use any backingtracks or live metronomes. Same applies for jazz & fusion musicians from any era
@@Yourbankaccount yeah becuz current era of live music contains more than just the instruments on stage.
@@Yourbankaccount gotta take into account that nowadasys they have programmed light shows going on and all kinds of extras, so a metronome and a fixed schedule is pretty much something needed - different eras, my boy
@@mike_tkgchsit’s still dumbing down the music. The tech is more advanced so now we need handicaps to handle it.
yall hating on professionalism is crazy..
I know, it’s like playing without a click is somehow evil and a lost art. Never thought I’d see the day!!
We often play better without a click😂
Wish I could get my band to play with a click . I record everything always through my A&H mixer to multitrack onto an SD card so I can drop it into my daw or just review the performances . Also use the recordings for my virtual soundchecks. The click allows me to more easily manipulate in the daw .
@@cliffschannel2521 What kind of music do you guys do?
@@Hillside_East We do mostly grunge covers with a few from the early 2000's . I went through the 70's , 80,s but when the Seattle thing happened in the 90's it really hit me . I didnt care for the 80's much but the 90's really hit me hard and though I was older than those from that era it just seemed like my kind of music .
As a musician I can attest that this is real. But each musician gets to set their preferences and a click isn’t always present and they just go off the drums/bass. Normally the sound is actually better for the musicians because it’s the mix going straight to their ears at healthy volumes rather than through the system then into the crowd where your location can have a big impact on what you hear more of
Does it have anc or it naturallu allows to not hear the sound from the amps?
@@ceraldo8635 The in-ear plugs are molded to your ear so they perfectly seal. No ANC needed.
@@ceraldo8635 sorry for the late reply but @112Haribo is right. Even if the In-Ear Monitors (IEMs) are not molded, they’ll have foam tips that expand in your ear canal creating a strong seal. Generally, you can’t hear the audience except through what mics pick up which isn’t a lot
@@112HariboOnly if you get an otoplastic before, i bet normal in ear's would not fit for my ears... Cause normaly they're all to big...
internal voice, 'dont f this up' x100
Just record it and play it before the countdown
If you say that to yourself you will f up because you're to focused on it now at that point. So stay calm and rely on muscle memory
@@guitarmeansfreedom 1000% correct. What you really want to say is something like, "alright, let em see what you got."
You know the drummer is good because you can’t hear the click once they come in.
If they were world class, they wouldn't use a click at all.
It's all preference though. I think a performance has a better live feel when its not so rigidly performed to a click
@@grant1133well since they use backing tracks and MIDI automation for live preset changes and so on they need to keep everything in time
@grant1133 depends on the band and genre really. Metal like this makes sense to a click. I'd never wanna see most hard rock bands to a click, though.
That might not even be the drummer he’s hearing…
@@KasperViggoJensenyou can still hear the dynamics in the drums and the sound is exactly what you'd expect in a concert mix so I don't think so, besides the kick which is obviously triggered
Based kick enjoyer
Bro, you're a legend!!
🙌❤️
So many people hating for absolutely no reason lol. So what if this particular person wants to perform their absolute best with a click. The fans deserve it with the price of tickets these days.
your drummer sets the tempo live. click is so sterile
@@castorkat4868 You realize the click is also used for light cues so they are synchronized with the music, right? When you are playing you don't even notice that it's there. It just sounds like another percussion instrument.
@@billweir1745If obviously for the band to keep time
When they play to a click they're also playing to backing tracks and in a LOT of cases not even using real amplifiers for what they are playing live. To me that isn't a "live" show. The fans don't "deserve" to get ripped off.
@@ThundersMcCoy If you are going to ANY show aside from maybe a small club show with an unknown band, pretty much all of those bands are using some kind of backing track, and almost all of them are using a click as well. Why does it matter if you're using a real amp? It's all the same thing: sound information going through a copper wire into transistors and capacitors to amplify the sound through a louder speaker to reach a larger audience. It's especially harder for smaller bands to tour with all that equipment, so why not lighten the load and get essentially the same sound?
Thats top teir, without earpieces you sometimes cant even hear yourself playing guitar lol
While She Sleeps
what song
@@nicholasyoutube910"I've seen it all"
and this is when the onstage sound is good! when it's bad, youre just lost in a cloud of sound and youre staring at the drummers hands for a visual metronome
With in ears, like this band (and all other bands with metronomes) uses, the onstage sound is ALWAYS good. That's kind of the point
@@ParallaxSound315 You played live much, it sometimes all goes to sh1t my friend, I've had my foldback drop completely out, I've seen in ears do the same thing, I prefer foldback monitors, I've NEVER used click tracks, they didn't even exist when I started playing live...
@@MickH60 I literally just played live again a couple days ago.
Yes, shit happens, but the idea behind IEMs is to mitigate the amount of things that can go wrong.
Also, I doubt that, because Keith Moon from The Who would use a click track for live performances
@@ParallaxSound315 keith richards from the who is great
@@filipeventura2729 Fuck, I meant Keith Moon lmao
That's what happens when you type after being up all night
Love this video. Thanks for this POV I’ve always wondered this!
hey
Now I know why rock bands are always head banging - they're keeping time!! I always thought they were just roocking out!
That's actually a nice display of how sad it is to play with a metronome constantly in your head and a voice that tells you when to come in
While she Sleeps(artist) - I’ve seen it all(song)
I remember hearing Edge's in-ear feed from a U2 show years ago, crazy all the cues and such they get.
That would drive me insane
That is a phat kick drum
Thank lars
😂@@SouthJerseyMatt
Fat? It's thin as cardboard, hope you're ironic.
Triggers will do that
It’s quite shit kick actually
I just started to have this sorta tech with my band and it's amazing lol. Being able to hear everyone at different levels on stage Is amazing. You guys sound amazing by the way!
I can't even imagine that my rock n roll days are behind me in the 90s but the thought of having a click track is insane 😂 I wouldn't even wear earplugs lol
Listening to that "bass drum" would drive me nuts!
i agree, i would rather just have the metronome only. hearing my drummer's triggers would get to me.
Naaah, the drums are the best part ❤
Yeah, I'm wearing ear buds and it's literally killing me.
I can’t believe that bass drum sounds so freaking small and crappy. I play at church the kick in my ear sounds ten times better than this and surely we okay through less expensive gear.
I don't use in ears. Don't use metronome. Stay in time and hear just fine. These little bands think they are metallica in arena or some shit. 😂
As a bass player all I ever put in my ears was my bass, kick and snare, and guitar and vocals at a low volume.
Click tracks are only vaguely annoying once you figure out how much better you play with them
Chris Slade once said in an interview that he had a small strobe light that would flash the correct tempo for each song at the start just to get them going and then went by feel from there.
Band: While She Sleeps
Song: I've Seen It All
Dope guitar riffs
Kulusevski shredding during the international break lol 🐓🏐
in there in ears monitors. That's the drummers inears . In his mix he has the trigger kick drum , and tempo track and guitar . Very awesome!
This is only if you play to a click and are playing super intricate parts. Super awesome to see that you guys are under such diligence, though, shows dedication to your performance!
Using a pedal with your left foot? Monster.
The metronome would drive me nuts 😳
Then don’t use one. Obviously this guy wants it.
Fantastic video. This is precisely why I could never do in ears. I tried plenty, but it just removed me from being in the moment. I fully understand it’s a great technology for some, and the benefits of them, but I know I’m not alone. I’ve spoken to some successful musicians who love em, and how I needed to get used to them, and some who happen to agree with me. I 100% can see both sides.
O Man it's different from when I used to play live with a whole band. It was like a thunderstorm back then. Probably I would have started using in ears later on to save my ears and I was early on with wireless mic.
80s pop artist: "Same, man. I also hear MIDI drums live on stage."
The guitar tone 🔥
that kick drum is so fn crisp
Is this While She Sleeps? Never listened to them but saw them with Architects last week and they were amazing live
When the metronome becomes a part of the beat itself , amazing
Dang, that riff is so 🔥
as a musician: SOME bands use a click track. It's a lot of work to set up an entire show on a laptop, and an In-ear monitoring setup is required.
Depends on what kind of music you're playing.
You ain't going to hear no jazz or blues musicians doing that.
This overly technical sounding metal for sure you wouldn't want to do it with out.
A lot of pop music needs it.
More organic sounding bands that modulate tempos for feel and dynamics don't. Eg QOTSA. Mastodon.
Foo fighters probably not.
With backing tracks it really helps.
However Rush a band that used a lot of samples and intermittent backing tracks ,did not use click tracks. And pulled it off amazingly.
I would hate this personally. For better or worse I play off the drummer
Rush was amazing yep. These guys not so much
@@jamesduescher3462 Yeah, you could tweak it to your preference, and if I was to play around with in-ears I'd want more of the drummer and maybe a faaaint click-track at the back... this level sounds too distracting to me as well haha.
click is only needed in completely structured music, aka this modernized poppy metal. In tempo changes i would prefer it to be free hand on the drummers time as it has a more natural feel imo. It's really a personal preference type of thing i just prefer the freedom. The click can feel like a prison at times and some songs just feel like they should naturally speed or slow. Stuff like that is highly dependent on the skillset of the musicians. Bands like Dire Straits were really good at stuff like this but they lend themselves to a more bluesy background
most bands these days are using a click tracks. Because people are conditioned to hearing music be so clean and on time now, you stand out like a sore fuckin thumb if you're the one band not playing to a click or some kind of timed queing system. Rush was also a massive band with a massive crew. The reason a lot of music is on the laptop now is because it's not the days of the boomers who could hire 20 guys and play stadiums despite being someone like lars ulrich who wouldn't even be able to get in the door these days. It wasn't harder back then. It was way easier. You can't just be a guitarist or a vocalist anymore. You have to know how to do all of this stuff, and do a ton of your own audio work to make it in todays music business. The older guys don't play to clicks and there's a magic behind that too for sure so I don't wanna seem like I'm knocking it, because it's it's whole own skillset that I believe is equally important to master as it is to master playing to the click. Drummers have been playing to clicks for decades and decades though, and you'd be hard pressed to find a drummer in the last 60 years outside of the few virtuosos like Danny Carey who are so internally on time that the metronome messes them up. But that's a rare talent to have, and not as important as being able to play to a click and count time as you play.
I tell people who say they hate the metronome click, play the note on the click snd you won't hear the metronome click.
Love these videos
what most people here don't get is that a: with backing tracks u gotta be on point. there's no room for mistakes. b: click is essential for this and c: for all the "u don't feel music this way" u definitely do because u hear exactly what you wanna hear. as a guitarist i don't need loud stages or cymbals crushing my ears. what he has is the perfect mix for me. kick, snare, click, own guitar snd the rest embedded. and with that you can feel what you want to feel. when i do monitors as a engineer 80% of the time in ear mixes for guitar players will end up like this as per request. foh is a different story. there u wanna hear everything except the click ofc.
good to see what wss has become. in remember doing monitors at a festival for them way back in 2012 in europe when they where a small band
Dont use backing tracks. Simple as that. Be a real fucking band.
@@zerosoma33 kind of not possible when you're a band like invent animate that uses multiple layers of synths and pads to construct the backing soundscape for their songs
@@teleblisters aka 'special effects', not saying bands like this aren't talented, but 'rock/heavy' bands should never have to rely on computers to be able to play their show, as long as the instruments and rigs are working, you should be able to go out there crush it, that's why live music today has allowed what was onced looked down upon, creep into their shows.
I just use synths…… have always, we’ve played some really complex polys too. I tap chords in one time and play lead with the other, never did this. I would hate the rigidity. I also enjoy the experience of pulling it all off though and usually am responsible for the synths and a hell of a lot else.
For the people hating on backing tracks, what's your problem? If this band (I have no idea who they are) choose to use them as part of their sound then that's their choice! Nowt to do with you. If you don't like it don't listen. Simple.
For me, I agree with @iM3rLiNi. I've played with, and mixed for, too many people who want everything in their ears because they want it to sound like they're in the crowd. That's not their job, in this context. Their job is to play music for the enjoyment of *other* people. If they get to rock-out them themselves then that's an added bonus.
While she sleeps for the win...amazing, definitely a completely different experience then being with the crowd
It’s so claustrophobic having those ear monitors In
thank you for sharing our pain ❤
This actually answered a question I've hade for a while
There's no metronome heard on stage for most concerts
@e.d.1642 oh I knew that would be an in ear click track
Unless you’re Tool, they don’t use click tracks in studio or on stage. They set their own tempo and fuck with it live purposely some times
Ever wondered what this exact musician hears on stage
FTFY
I love music tech today. Especially the improvements to live performances. A concert back in the day was hit or miss. Lots of times, it would sound awful, blow out your eardrums, or half the gear would fail. Now, it’s easy to recreate the sound of the album, but in a live performance. That’s been the dream for decades. But you couldn’t hope to achieve it without paying a whole team of audio phd’s and giving them HOURS to do sound test. Even then, you could guarantee several things would go wrong. Smashing guitars didn’t start as a way to look cool. It was just a great way to let your roadies know that the show is over and they should get ready to listen to the talent scream for the next few hours.
People salty because they don't have to worry about large venues where cranking speakers isn't enough and damages hearing overtime
The best is to have them to pump the full mix of what the audience hears into the inner ears...that way you know what you really sound like. I never understand why everyone just wants to hear themselves. You already know how you sound from years of playing in your bedroom.
You obviously haven't been on a loud stage . Regardless of what you might "Think" you sound like it is imperative to actually hear yourself . If you had the full mix in your ears you would hate it as a performer, and you would likely suck.Now as a frontman on guitar and lead vox in a club band who is running FOH from stage from a tablet on my stand as well as a separate stand mounted phone for my ears i can say I do flip between a FOH mix and my personal mix occasionally just to check FOH . I hate having to manage so much but Im the only one capable .
@@cliffschannel2521 Everyone wants to hear what they want to hear, that is why everyone on the stage has their own monitor be it on stage or inner ear. some want to hear themselves while some want to hear the band mix at lower level than themselves, etc...
@@CaptGizmo01 Fair enough . Iv been fronting bands for about 40 yrs . With the advent of modelers and e drums and quiet stages I can understand your claim . Iv worked with and myself had full mixes in my ears or wedges . I currently have the full mix AND a personal mix I switch between because I also run the board but my personal mix has mostly me (guitar and vox) with little else , as the stage is plenty loud and I dont need any one else mucking my ears . This is pretty much how most Iv worked with roll . Noobs always want a full mix but realize very quickly it just aint happening If they really want to hear themselves . With IEM's thats the beauty of them . Getting isolated from the clutter , but you be you if it works for you .
That's showbiz.
If that is the music I heard on while on stage, I would quit being a musician.
While She Sleeps puts on such great shows! Looking forward to their 2025 US Tour!
As a church drummer, I've always wondered if more expensive setups sound better in ears with a real audio engineer mixing the mix, and if musicians can hear effects in stereo, ir if we're just all doomed to crappy mono in ear mixes 🤔
Midas DP48. It will blow your mind the difference. Ability to pan vocals to different ears to mimic stage placement. The reverbs built in to it sound amazing. I was skeptical but it totally changed my perspective on in ear possibilities
One of their best songs .
bro what song is first one
What is there band name and song
people are out of touch in this comment section. clicks and backing tracks are just apart of live sound now especially with metal and prog where your whole band has to play some weird rhythm pattern starting on the e of 2 and if you don’t come in at the same time it sounds like horse shit.
Atheist and Cynic were playing way more technical prog parts than most new bands in the late 80s, just drums lmao.
gentle giant?
Not out of touch...we just prefer bands that actually play 100% live though real amps.
@@ThundersMcCoy i mean as a bassist of course i’m gonna be hyped when a band has some fat cabs on stage but if it sounds the same, makes foh happy, and you can fit it in your guitar case why not use a line 6 or fractal.
@@shep9371 I'm a bass player as well & without an amp where you can actually feel the bass, I feel neutered. For years I gigged with a 1,000 watt SVT from the 70's through an acoustic bottom (also 70's era) with JBL silver cones. it used to rattle the pictures off the walls in my parents house. playing with in-ears to me feels the same as when you play without an amp.
Everything is good but got damn that kick would drive me insane
Interesting to have the kick so high in your mix
That click constantly going off would drive me crazy
Yeah it's annoying enough during recording. Fuck, I can't imagine hearing that all night on stage.
There’s no way in hell I’d tour with a click lol. It’s bad enough just having to play the same material night after night I can’t imagine that too. It would be hell. Honestly would contribute to me hating the experience of being a working musician.
@@SS_Psyopsit would get so boring so fast
Ive played in several bands in the past as a guitar player . Ive always been lucky to play with musicians who are way better than i am.
One thing ive learned from them especially drummers and bass players is that timing and feel are super important especially when playing in a band or with other musicians. With that said , ive nevered played with a drummer that uses a click live . That would distract me and everyone else in the band.
Holy crap. That's freaking tight.
I think they also hear Aliens from other planets on stage..
Love a strat
Great way to advertise your band. Never heard of you and don’t care, but I love how you’re connecting with your fans by showing them what it takes to rock them.
dude why'd you have to add the don't care lol
@@flowprecisionwashing same reason you had to focus on the negative and comment on it
Cuz not giving a sh-- is apparently really cool with youngsters these days. @@flowprecisionwashing
I have yet to use a click track but hope to be a big enough musician one day to use them
lol I feel ya
That’s the modern way to do it. It’s not the only way 😂
This is in the ear monitors, not coming out of the stage monitors.
To the people saying real musicians don't need click tracks live... You've, (A), either played with the same people for a long time in little clubs. (B), you have no experience on a large stage/ large venue. Or (C), you are a complete amateur and have little to no experience, but you think you do.
If you're on a smaller stage, like clubs with a capacity of 400 to 800, you can hear each other decently through the monitors. If you have been playing with the same people for a while, you can sound as tight as a band using a click track.
Also, people saying real musicians don't need click tracks have ZERO experience on a big stage/at a big venue. Monitors will not be enough to cover the size of the stage and cut through all the noise. On big stages, sometimes you get a echo effect. It makes it impossible to play in time with your band.
A REAL musician will not set foot on a big stage without a click track.
Stop commenting your opinions that you formed while being ignorant on the matter.
This mix is much more to my preference than what Bernth runs
What song is that they're playing? Just found out about this band through this vid and also your channel! Just subbed to your channel of course!
While she sleeps - I have seen it all
Just became a fan myself! Music with soul
I knew worship used tap tempo but I never thought these bands would
Not always, but usually. Some bands dont play to click counts….. brian jonestown massacre for instance, saw them live and they restarted songs, played songs on the fly, it was cool to see since most every band has modernized and plays to click or bscking tracks. Most huge stadium bands have to, it saves time, makes show more polished, etc. but its fun to watch smaller bands play old school too.
EVeryone loves a click track until the power outage comes and you have to complete the set with your acoustic.
what musicians who play to a click hear.... fixed it...
Yeah, of bands that use click tracks live, it's usually only the drummer's that use the click. It kind of ruins the groove a lot of times for the guitar and bass players to constantly be hearing the click... As long as the drummer is in time, the rest of the band can just key off of him.
That would drive me insane...
Pantera never did click tracks.
Seems too.... Artificial?
@@RobertMurphy-wm3ge For a lot of modern bands, they use click tracks for several reasons. Automated lighting and, even more prevalent, automated sound effects throughout the songs. Some bands (like Invent Animate, for example) even have automated guitar effects, so no foot pedals are needed to change their guitar sounds. The whole show is ran from a computer with everything taken care of except for the actual playing of the guitars, bass, drums, and vocals. The musicians just have to play.
This all means they don't have to have a skilled keyboardist on stage triggering sound effects, nor do they need a skilled lighting engineer manually triggering lighting effects throughout the set, nor do they need to lug around or maintain a complicated and sometimes buggy pedal board. Now they just need 1 or two engineers (this is often one or more of the band members themselves) to program and setup the show ahead of time. Less band members to split the money with!
So yeah, Pantera may not have used this, but it's probably just because they didn't need to. It all depends on the band and what their music requires and how they want their show to be managed.
@@RobertMurphy-wm3ge Pantera 100% uses in-ears. Zakk Wylde uses in-ears, Metallica uses in-ears. It's almost necessity in a large venue/stadium so you can hear everything properly because the echo and the crowd mud and drown everything out not to mention sound travels so when it bounces, you get a lot of interference with what's really happening on stage. There's nothing artificial about not wanted to sound like garbage. Tell me you've never played a large venue without telling me.
@@RobertMurphy-wm3ge all i can say is if someone has never used it and has gotten used to it, they'll prob think that. I'm in that perspective too. Although ppl who've used it told me that they forget the click is even there and that it doesn't rlly ruin anything. But idk since I've never used it
You can't fully hear how good your band sounds live. It's a job
if only coltrane had a click track. what a great musician he would have been
If Coltrane was playing arenas with lighting and video automation, like this band, he would need a click.
Using a click has nothing to do with how good you are.
Coltrane is a legend and not remotely like this band musically. It’s a silly comparison.
But I guess it makes people feel superior to shit on everything these days.
@DeniedGrace You missed by a wide margin. Using a click removes any opportunity for improvisation. There's a reason jazz greats played small venues, technical limitations, and playing the room. Any sound engineer will tell you that stadiums are the absolute worst sound reproduction of any venue. The only classic band to fix that problem was The Grayeful Dead, and Jerry Garcia spent big bucks with McIntosh to build a stadium rig that nobody has had the balls to reproduce since. 100,000 watts in clean stereo, without a click track. That's what rehearsing hours on end can do. No need to get huffy and angry, most modern fans have never been to a Who, Dead, Led Zep, Clapton concert when a wall of amps was the only sound reproduction. AC/DC would be one of the few last holdouts.
@@jimshorts6751 We are in agreement at least partially. Unfortunately you missed my point. If Coltrane was playing arenas with lighting and video automation, he would need a click. It also couldn’t possibly be improvisational Jazz or any other form of improvisational music.
But. Both can be appreciated.
I agree about the Dead.
Richard Cole was my father-in-law, who did a ton of firsts with Zeppelin’s sound system, so we’re in agreement there too.
Actually I agree with everything you said, except the part where you misunderstood me.
Do the people talk to each other in the headset thing
Yeah they do!
Yes. I'm a drummer and music director. I have to talk to my team all the time
@@kennethnashe5461 Hey. I'm a guitarrist in a band with two guitars. How should I separate them? I can't hear myself properly in the in ear mix.
@MrBinga09 there's different ways. 1. Realize that you don't need to hear every single instrument in the band. As an MD I need to hear everyone. As just a drummer i need click above all else. Second loudest is bass. Third is vocals. 4th keys. Everything else is low in the mix or completely absent. Don't have more in your ears than what you actually need to do your job well. If you have the ability pan your instruments according to where you're standing on stage.
@@kennethnashe5461 "hey SOUNDGUY i need everything in my monitor! but especially kick and bass and guitar" [soundguy facepalms]
Depends on the musician or band. Some play music that's easier to play tight without a click track.
I feel like constant click might get annoying after a while. I typically play off the drummer or whatever is keeping consistent rhythm an tempo.
I only played to a click for two one week gigs, to be in sync with backing pre-recorded keyboards, and that was just me with headphones on drums. The rest of the band followed me. Monitor mixes are up to the individual. I had the bass, the lead, and the vocals.
Ever wondered that there are many types of music and quite many of them never use something like click?
different styles... here they also have programmed lightshows and things like that, needs to be taken into consideration
Yes, but just strange title "what musicians hear". Most musicians hear each other and music, not the click
@@MaestroRaroin-ears my guy.
Lower tech shows use monitors.
House audio and monitor/in-ear audio is mixed and leveled differently + a click and queues
I’m still old school I never liked click tracks on stage that’s why you have a drummer in the first place if you drummer can’t keep good time he or she probably shouldn’t be a drummer. But to each their own
@@hectorgrande8000 @hectorgrande8000 thing is that its not just the drummer, they have only-guitar and vocal breaks with coordinated pre-planned automated light shows so they would need a click to hit the right spots together with the lights for the overall show
Not back in the days. In the 70s bands travel playing all by ear and only two guitars on the road😂 one backup. Guitars would freak out if they only had two guitars today
Pink Floyd were using clicks back in the 1970s. Anything with visuals on the big screen. Money, was, of course, the poster child, with the cash registers in quad coming from tape.
Perfect monitor mix for me!
This would drive me absolutely crazy.
#notallmusicians
That bass drum tho
It's called a click track
Most bands don't use a metronome during liver performances.
@@erickzuniga3113Yeahhh yeah they do 😅
@@erickzuniga3113😂😂😂😂 what? Nearly all bands use click and programmed lightshows
@@mr.music88 most bands have a person synching lights to the band, or will have drums that also set off a midi key when struck. So a kick drum will set a certain set of lights and a snare can set another, etc.
@@karterestill no they don't lol find a live performance, find the tempo, and see if the band is still at that tempo or the original beat. You will feel dumb af
Yup.
For all those saying clicks are not for real musicians ... If youre playing day in day out with the same people yea sure sometimes its more fun without a click and the audience will get a new experience often, but if youre not playing with the same people often all it takes is one guy to be off beat slightly and suddenly the great music you spent ages writing and fine tuning suddenly sucks and sucks hard.
Remeber youre there for the fans , not for yourself .
Do with that info
Gotta be for yourself too though
@@lexszert9787 you have been there for yourself , you created and nurtured that music , you spent the time , creativity and effort to write perform and record it .
Now you've got it dialed in you have to perform it for the people who keep you on business .
Enjoy it it all you want but still be a pro , I'm not saying use a click or not I'm just saying you know what to do don't let anyone tell you you're a real musician or not based on whether you use a click or not
Can vouch for the individual preferences in the monitors.
I was the only one with the click in my band during live performances.
what band is this?
I need to know too
While she sleeps
And song is called - I've seen it all
so nice. I didn't hear something like this before
I'm so glad I grew up in the era when you heard the whole band, no fucking metronome, and relied on your skill to keep in time. One of the first things you learn is how to sound loud without being loud... those days are gone, I guess....
It’s because the techs back and side stage couldn’t keep up anymore with the interference, button pushers they are