If I remember correctly, the unitrix randomized Gwen's DNA before it created Eunice. I wonder if that line was added just to avoid any creepy implications.
I actually asked DJW about how much production material from past seasons they were given when working on the show (stuff like series bibles and such). According him, they weren't given anything and basically ONLY had the wiki to work off.
@@TheLordTash That kind of sucks. I know DJW kind of messed up some story and lore things so I wish they were given more to work with although maybe it would have been worse
@@axelnilsson5124 Dr Who made the analogy; A Beethoven superfan goes back in time to meet him, finds no record of his existence in the time period, but since he knows all of Beethovens work, recreates it essentially becoming Beethoven. But who wrote the music pieces to begin with if he never existed? Or y'know... Fry becoming his own grandpa in Futurama
Hey, BenBFF here from the wiki (Atleast back in the old days lol), thank you for the shout-out at the end of the video!! Fun Fact, I actually was the one who finally got Primus reinstated into canon after seeing the Matt Wayne comments versus Derrick's. I wasn't even a moderator back then so it was fun talking to Orion Invictus (Or BlazikenRJCF as we all knew him back then) and OneofthoseDF trying to convince them and eventually they made the change!! Man seeing all those names mentioned in the end of the video....the nostalgia lol!! Thanks for this video and everything you have done for the community, appreciate ya
As it’s been so long since I’ve seen OG Ben 10 (2005-2014), I honestly thought you were talking about Primus as in Transformers, given *TF: Animated’s* loose connection to *Ben 10: Omniverse*
Some facts like the Forever Ninja i guess were never intended to be their canon names, but a way to refer to the character easily since its official name was never mentioned
This its why its so important for series to have a lore bible, and internal documentation relying on fan wikis is basically like how teachers told us about wikipedia except its not as well moderated as wikipedia.
as well as for games, especially live services/mmos to actually document the code, looking at you star trek online and "we fired the guys who knew how the foundry works and now its so buggy so we're disabling it" then years later saying "no you see its a copyright nightmare to allow you people to make custom player created content, we cant afford to have staff to moderate every submission." more like you were mad players were better writers then your staff
It was released as 3 season respectfully who cares how the writers wrote it that’s how it was released. The writers aren’t the only people involved in making the show
Happy 17th Anniversary, Ben 10 Wiki! Glad to see the community coming together to fix it up and actually make it a reliable encyclopedia of the show's mythology rather than just be a mess of information that is false, missing, or clashes with each other. A lot of wikis for many media should follow this mindset. Definitely would save everyone a lot of trouble...
On the topic of the Cosmic Mom, I feel the need to add something. All the logic related to why it can't be definitively assumed that she's a Naljian is completely sound, and I agree with it. We cannot, with the information provided, state as a fact that the Cosmic Mom is a naljian. But I think it's important to acknowledge that the cosmic mom never called it a "Naljian Destructor", only the Vreedles did. The Cosmic mom only calls it her "daughters favorite toy." Based on how the naming scheme in Ben 10 usually works, characters would absolutely refer to something like the cube as "species it's assumed to come from: presumed purpose" similar to the way characters talked about the Contumelia. (At least to my memory.) The Cosmic Mom may not be a Naljian, but based on everything we can infer from the cube's name, it's very likely to be what the aliens of the Ben 10 universe call her species. At the very least, I would say that if any future writers touch on the Cosmic Mom, it's very unlikely they would call her species anything other than Naljian. I think changing her page to not include the name "The Naljian" as at least an alias is unnecessary, and makes searching for her page more difficult.
In Turkish his name was translated as "İnsanazor" (Human-a-saur) so at least in Turkey you cant mix up Humungusaur's name coming from being humungous as that is translated as "Devasa" which is not even close to being "insan" so yeah... I thought I was gaslit into believing Humungusaur's original name DID come from Humungous-saur.
This makes me realize if I ever work on a piece of fiction or create a franchise I will just say “This is a collaborative effort between other directors, writers, artist, and myself. Even though I’m answering your questions they are just MY headcannon beliefs.” That way there isn’t so much confusion or contradiction. And it would help a lot if people were honest and upfront about what things they worked on and what they didn’t.
For me, the only reliable and 100% canon information is that presented in the show itself since things like third-party products, info-cards and producer statements are always subject to change, retcon or were just invented on the spot.
This is very true. Many writers all telling us pretty production ideas, concept art, scrapped story lines, ect ect is fun, but people give it too much weight when these things contradict the actual story we see.
I think Derrick's answers were always tricky, since he mostly worked on self-contained reboots and had a blunt & irreverent sense of humor, so he was probably used to easily excluding stuff he didn't like or making up sarcastic joke answers & plot points. Saying that out loud, he might've actually been a better fit for the 2016 Reboot, since that show had squishier art, a more light-hearted tone, and was a unique continuity.
I thought he fit Omniverse really well. Especially since it had so many people from Transformers Animated work on it, and Derrick was the art director and a showrunner on that.
I always love to believe that Queen Horatia Rumbletum of the Gourmands is the daughter of a king Perk Gourmand and a Queen Murk Gourmand and I was starting to think that Buzzshock and Feedback, because of similar appearances, are related in some way.
A lot of tech and items in the show get referred to as where they came from. Techadon Robots, Tetramand engine, etc. So someone at some point knew the Destructor was from the Naljian race, then everyone referred to it as such after that.
Definitely. The series has more instances of things being named after their race than instances of them not. I guess the main difference is that Techadon Robots and Tetramands are recurring creatures in the series, while the "Naljian" species is as much of a one-off as The Great One from Cannonbolt's bebut or the gold-shitting Gremlins from "Fool's Gold"
except the characters that call it a Naljian Destructor had no idea it was a toy that belonged to the Cosmic Kid. so if anything the Naljians ould the race that first found the Toy & use it as a weapon
@@Artista_Frustrado Could be possible 🤔 We just don't really have much info on the Cosmic species, Naljians, Naljian Destructor, or anything regarding them, so we just don't know for sure.
If I recall correctly, you never see Maltruant referring to the bomb with that name, it's always some other character who did so. From their point of view, calling it a Chronosapien time bomb is understandable, just like aliens referring to cups as "Human cups" is understandable
Kevin being a mutant still feels like a more reasonable assumption than him being part alien. You had Clamcy, the Circus Freaks, all those wrestlers in the wrestling episode. Plus magic users like Hex and Charmcaster. Kevin wasn't that weird by comparison. He was just a kid with energy absorption powers, no different from all the other humans with superpowers.
@@theamazingspooderman2697 , the Grandmother of Ben and Gwen were also retcons from UAF besides Gwen not having Magical abilities anymore and Kevin going from a Mutant to an Alien Hybrid.
Yeah, I prefer Kevin being a mutant rather than part alien. I just think it's more fun when the alien force crew's abilities come from different sources, that being aliens, magic, and mutations.
I even remember reading something on the wiki that by late Omniverse, Gwen and Kevin had sex. I don't even remember which page it was and why it was there but it isn't anymore, it was even a writer's statement with a link to support
@@SecretMagician On a children's wiki... I used to read Ben 10 Planet as a kid a lot. Good thing that info was deleted. Funny thing, the wiki says Big Chill reproduced "genderlessly" instead of "asexually". For the kids, eh?
With regard to the DVD subtitles being inaccurate at times. It’s my understanding that subtitles (in any media) are based on the script, like copy and paste. It saves massive amounts of time compared to someone transcribing all the lines. If the actor gives a slightly different take on the line but it’s close enough, they don’t bother changing it.
Microchips actually makes sense, as they aren't really "Nano" but are more like the Microbots from Big Hero 6. In comparison to the Nanomachines from something like Metal Gear Rising, where nano is more like cell sized items, "Micro" feels more fitting.
Now that you say it, I just remembered they had a whole ass battle while in the brain as a battlefield So the Queen was small as fuck despite being the most powerful in the hive, way smaller than the drones in the movie Tho Nanomech had the ability to change size, so she most likely can do it. But still, the abyssmal size difference is funny
It's not the only one, some fandom wikis have genuinely insane quality behind them. It honestly just sucks tho because fandom drags everything it is connected to down a notch, it feels like the high quality of the fan contributions are a bit wasted due to the consessions in place.
Not really, because you have to think what were show producers thinking rather what is more logical in our universe. It makes complete sense for writers to name the technology after the speices using it, which happened multiple times in the show anyway
@@abdalln8554 sure but, i dunno. just 'cause it's a trope elsewhere doesn't mean that's what they're going for here. the Glass Cup analogy still holds sway over me. plus, again: she's referred to as "Cosmic Mom" in the credits. so, there's really no basis in canon. if they wanted to, if this was what they were going for, they could've called her "Naljian Mom" or "Naljian Mother"... but they didn't
About the Naljian thing, I don't think that it would be unusual to assume that the toy "Naljian Destructor" would be named after the species of Naljians. For the glass cup example, we humans wouldn't call it a "human cup" to each other, since we know that it is made by humans already, but perhaps other extraterrestrial species might refer to it as "a human cup" because the cups they have are distinct from what we have. And also, we might refer to it as a "human cup" while talking to other species so that they will understand what we are talking about. An example from the show would be Chronosapien Time Bomb. In the show, we either see it gets called that by non-Chronosapiens or Maltruant speaking to a non-Chronosapien, Vilgax, which would align with the "human cup" example I have just explained. I'd also imagine that Chronosapiens wouldn't refer to Chronosapien Time Bomb with the "Chronosapien" part but rather just "Time Bomb" or "X Time Bomb" where "X" is either the name of the Chronosapien who invented the Time Bomb or the material it is made out of. Although, yes, canonically we don't know the actual species of the Cosmic Mom or what "Naljian" is supposed to refer to. It could also be the name of the inventor of the device too, who might be the same species as Cosmic Mom.
I didn’t understand why the forever knights still existed after UA? When Ben stepped in to fulfill George’s final fight, he ended the sole foundation why the organization was even formed.
Happy 17th Anniversary to the Ben 10 Planet Wiki, it really has grown into a great source of all of Ben 10's history and really great video debunking a lot of the misinformation over the years (still crazy that some of these made it to the actual shows)
5:39 The game enemies are Forever Ninja Knights, the Red Knight is the character. 9:55 Should’ve added it in parenthesis like this (Also known as Cooper Daniels in this comic).
It’s so interesting how the show incorporated fans input by taking info from the wiki and putting into official Ben 10 media, if not the actual show dvd covers and comic books are still really nostalgic media for some to own from their favorite franchise and some I appreciate them using fans interpretations instead of just BSing something off the spot. It shows that even in the fandoms early days there was a relationship between fans and official media that I don’t know if you find in other franchises like Ben 10 I’m sure there are but Ben 10 has always felt like it was made for people to enjoy and interact with more than just watching they want us to have our own theories and insights
0:35 This reminds me of how Ian Flynn used the long-past-reconnected _American_ Manual for Sonic Chaotix's story with one exception: The name "Metal Sonic Kai" which came from the _Japanese_ manual where it was the name Metal Sonic's spare body. Metal Sonic didn't get an upgrade between the events of CD and Chaotic but rather his regular body was under repair. His giant transformation went entirely unnamed in both versions. (Also Pontac and Graff straight up admitted to getting most of their Sonic lore from the fan wiki) It's weird to me that he made this common mistake but didn't make the same mistake with Mecha Sonic Mark I and Mecha Sonic Mark III (the marks were added designations in a retcon to help distinctify them) who were long incorrectly known by the fanbase and never canonical to the games Archie Comics as Silver Sonic and Silver Sonic 2.0 (Archie also introduced a Silver Sonic 3.0 which was an unpainted Mecha Sonic Mark II )
was binge watching breakdowns and had a question, if the omnitrix does make the transformation the peak form of the species, does that mean ben as grey matter is as smart or even more smarter than Azmuth? i like the idea that it does as ken was able to hack into it and get master control. his grey matter having knowledge as great as azmuth, the creator, would make it easy for him
people should stop using Ken as an example, that Omnitrix was made by Ben and not Azmuth so ofc its gonna be easier to hack, this holds true in OV too as Biomnitrix is made by Ben and it fails near solar bursts, which doesn't happen to Azmuth's Omnitrix
True i had personal experience with that edit wars on the famous Wikipedia for example,You should check multiple versions of pages in different languages and chech the footnotes for any reliable evidence i saw many edits on the english page of the "savafid empire" that were recent and completely baseless surprisingly the iranian wiki page version has a very objective and faux unbiased essays on it without nationalist myth.
I swear one fact I've heard but couldn't find a source for is the ultimatrix turning the user into a duplicate of the alien scanned when obtaining new alien DNA.
@@jammingwhey2781 That's just stupid They look exactly the same because of something magical called "reusing assets" lmao By that logic all of Terraspin's species are also clones of Galapagus, cuz when Aggregor arrived everyone looked the same. And the only other member of the species to not be genetically identical would be Adwaitta. They just use the same models to save time, money and resources. Unique desings are made for special individuals or occasions. It isn't even a new thing, OS did it too. BenWolf and BenMummy where identical to the Yenaldooshi and the Mummy. They just gave one cloths and swapped purple with green for the other. Meanwhile BenViktor got an actual new desing to make "Viktor" look more like a hero/good guy.
@@jvbon646 you really are an idoet if there all the same who did Ben beat looma if his aliens all the same why bullfrag is taller and musceler oh wait you don't watch the show because your not Ben 10 fans
You can never trust anything a writer says online in response to a question. More often than not they just come up with it in the moment and will forget about it later.
I don't agree with Alien Force having 3 seasons cause 'that's the way it was aired' That would be like putting Firefly episodes in the order they aired even though the creators let everyone know Fox showed them completely out of order
Eh, I feel the merch argument is kind of shaky. Merch is an official part of the show and how its perceived, so unless its directly contracted by the show itself at the time of its release I wouldn't call it a fake fact (or a retcon in the opposite case), just that it was "decanonized". When you lack a primary source it's only natural that you go to the next most official place as a source of information and these things are always subject to change. I'll give an example, Marvel comics releases official handbooks for their characters and storylines, some done in house. In a few of Cyclops' entries it says at his optic blasts don't come from his body, but instead that he opens a portal to a dimension of concussive energy through his eyes. This is never stated to be true in books and other official handbooks state the opposite. This has even been played with in canon where another character opens a portal to a dimension that is filled with red concussive energy and fans have dubbed it the "Punch Dimension". But the question then becomes, do bits of information that's unconfined or contradicted/changed later/ignored invalidate every handbook that has or will come out, even for characters who don't have this specific problem and for ones who won't have primary information given later? With this I feel it should be a case by case basis where if the primary source doesn't use it as a fact, you can ignore it, but if its never claimed otherwise it fine as a source of information to cite. These things are just going to happen with long running continuities with multiple creative sources, not everyone is going to agree, look up what previous creators have said/done or even honor what was done before they had creative control, so when you look at it like that why can't non-show sources be viewed as reliable canon until the show says otherwise?
the Cyclops example was a perfect example to this discussion as I feel most Marvel fans I've seen dont know where the "eyes opening to a dimension" explanation even originally came from
well duh, if you actually watch the episode they made pretty clear that the Naljian Destructor wasn't named after the Cosmic Mom's race. they didn't even knew there was a Cosmic Mom looking for the Cosmic Toy that their Cosmic Child lost long time ago so if anything the Naljians are the species/empire that found said cosmic toy
I use the site for my videos a lot to get species names and confirm some abilities and weaknesses it's nice that they are doing a rehaul to make sure everything is accurate
Another thing that always irked me about the wiki is that for the creation of Kenny’s watch Ben Viktor (Frankenstrike) was labeled as one of the creators along with grey matter and another alien who I forgot even tho Ben Viktor has never shown any impressive intelligence feats on the level of grey matter and brainstorm only because Dr. Viktor was a scientist therefore the entire race was full of geniuses
The BenViktor things is legit, he was listed in the Pop-Up trivia among the aliens used to make Kenny's Omnitrix They just retconned the intelligence out of Frankenstrike in OV, and changed it so that only Viktor was a genius but not a trait of the whole species
They probably retconned Frankenstrike's intelligence so he wouldn't overlap with Brainstorm as a smart alien with electric powers. Ironically, that makes him overlap with Shocksquatch as an electric strongman
I kinda made my own headcanon for Kevin's thing. He is an alien, Osmosian, and everything about his backstory was true. He went to prison, met Kwarrel, learned to control his powers, but when he escaped, that's when he was captured and tortured by Servantis. He used Kevin's Osmosian DNA to splice the DNA of the children of some plumbers, and then that's when he erased their memories of the events and sent them free as experiments. I think that puts them both together in a satisfying way
That's my headcanon too. Only thing from the franchise I'd change is him being Max's partner. Gives a horrible characterization of Max for not recognizing who was clearly Devin's kid.
Why would Servantis work so hard to get Kevin back in the present day if there's an entire world of Osmosians out there that could do exactly what he wants Kevin for
no this headcanon doesn't make sense, if all osmosians can do what Kevin can do then why go after Kevin? him being a mutant makes much more sense with the tone of OG series
Holy crap, Forever Knight Ninja WASN'T his official name all along?! All these years and I had no idea.... I admit, for once I'll give OV a point: calling him the Red Knight was the right call. It's a less convoluted name and more to the point.
I know there for a while there was Gwendolyn Ben's(semi-official) daughter there's concept art of her, and she is seen next to Kenny in ep. Ken 10, and yes her animation model was used in Ben 10'000. Heck she looks like Kai, if we have to accept that Kai was Ben's future partner, then I accept the fact that Gwendolyn could be canon.
The only way I could see Kai and Ben being an official couple canonically if they had an Alien Hybrid daughter named Gwendolyn since Kai loves Ben's aliens more than Ben himself, so Gwendolyn being an older sister of Ken makes perfect sense.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr I could see that I just wished they kept with that concept of Ben having a daughter along with Kenny and those two could had a stand-alone episode together, like Ben anodite potential skipped him(though it was hinted in UAF Ben 10K) that he can use Anodite energy, so Gwendolyn would be just like her Aunt Gwen, but with Kai's native american ancestry. So instead of Aliens she deals with spirits of deceased villains in afterlife. Cause Ben-Kenny are one of my favorite father/son relations in fiction. While Goliath/Angela, and Jotaro/Jolyne are some of my favorite father/daughter relations in fiction so I see Gwendolyn getting along with Ben, but she's stuck up like her mom while having Ben's cleverness to outwit opponents.
@@axelnilsson5124 exactly. I can imagine one animated film after each season. I can imagine some adapting the video games and adding extra stories. I can see one after AF s3 be about the main characters going into a virtual world were Ben has the AF omnitrix one last time. I’d love to have one after the events of season one of UA. I plan to make a video on this topic.
I was the guy who asked Derrick for the omniverse chromastone PNG. it’s a small contribution, but it’s something and makes me kinda happy when i remember it
I spent so much time on the Ben 10 wiki growing up so seeing so much misinformation was shocking but I love Learning more about it and i will going back to one of my favorite sites in the world!
The red knight is still very ninja like even if not a forever ninja. it is intresting that members of the forever knights might have influences from outside of midevil europe.
On the subject of the quartet of Bens from Alien X-tinction, my headcannon is that the ones from classic, UA, and Omniverse become the Ben 10,000 each show provides.
Something I noticed about the wiki is that some of its errors come from the fact that people from all over the world collaborate and that's where many problems come from because in some dubbings there are things that were changed and when people who didn't see the series in their original language contribute to the wiki that's where some errors appear, I realized this since I usually read the Latin wiki of Ben 10 and I noticed how some collaborators are the same.
Here's a fake fact Kyro didn't mention, Ben isn't allergic to cheese or peanuts which was once on the wikipedia page but has sense been deleted. Also I want to add a few things about why Ben 10,000 in Classic and Ben 10,000 in Omniverse aren't the same. Ben has a daughter named Gwendolyn in Classic as well as the prototype designed Omnitrix while im Omniverse he only has a son as well as the Biomatrix and the same Omnitrix he got in the finale of Ultimate Alien that was used in Omniverse.
Ben is allergic to peanuts. It's only brought up in one episode (Blukic and Driba Go to Mr. Smoothy). Ben as Way Big says he won't go near a ship full of peanuts because he's allergic. And unless To'kustars are just allergic to peanuts, which I doubt, then it's an allergy Ben himself has that carries over to his alien forms.
@@RomaroBrandon Yeah but Ultimos's weakness to chocolate is a parody of Superman's weakness to Kryptonite. To'kustars having a peanut allergy doesn't seem like something Ben would know
@@theking8347 unless he had peanuts while in that form. I mean he didn't know Ultimos was allergic to chocolate or Upchuck can survive in space if he burps gas until he saw it.
That’d actually be more interesting that if the naljian in naljian destructor isn’t referring to the species that made it but the inventor was named Naljian
I can't believe I believed and spread misinformation about Echo Echo. Also I *swear* on my *life* I've heard Cooper's last name said somewhere in the show.
I think another Ben 10 fake facts which we all believed is how we spell Aliens name and the different versions of it. Some of the alien spelling are different in both shows and merchandise. For example Eye Guy and humungousaur had their names changed over the years. That due to people interpretation of their names.
Happy 17th anniversary, Ben 10 Wiki! Thanks for the shout-out, Kuro. I've recently got back into consuming Ben 10 content after quite some time, and have been watching your channel a lot lately, I was really shocked when I heard you saying my username. I'm Furquim, and was an admin of the Ben 10 Wiki. The wiki was a really big part of my life for years, I'm sad that I had to quit, but I'm glad that I helped make a difference there (I helped a bit with the galleries, and was the one that started the trend of posting the entire episodes via screencaps, although I stopped on "A Jolt From The Past" when I had to quit, I believe I still have the files somewhere). Thanks for your services for the Ben 10 community, and thank you for making my days better, Kuro and the rest of the Ink Tank Crew.
Happy to see you in the comments! All Wiki contribution new and old helped make the site what it is today. Glad to know the old guard is still treading the grounds. Your idea to post entire episodes via screencaps is MONUMENTAL to editing my videos.
I wish Gwen had a villain arc like imagine if someone she cared for died but ben was off fighting an intergalactic battle so she sinks into dark magic in order to resurrect them
Still, the Chronosapien Time Bomb exists, and the Naljian Destructor was presumably named in a similar way to it with it being based off of the user naming it rather than the creator, so Naljian fits as well as any of these names.
You make a good point, and also the species from the planet Nalj/Nalji/Naljia would most likely be called Naljians. I feel like we just don’t know enough about it and the -ian suffix(?) could mean so many things. That’s separate from the fact that Cosmic Mom could have gotten it from a Naljian without being one.
Just remembered I used to be an admin on the Ben 10 wiki back in 2010, it used to be so unorganized until I came in and I basically copied Bulbapedia's format and tweaked it to fit Ben 10 info
I long held the belief that Wyatt had a hatred of UAF and a lot his obvious misnformation was a result of this. Seems I was at least mostly correct. I got into several arguments about this in the last decade on and off on the fan wiki and on RUclips. I also used to be a Formspring User who followed him (on a roleplay account based on Bakugan New Vestroia character Baron Leltoy and his ace bakugan (Mega) Nemus (he was never called Mega Nemus in the show)) but it seems I didn't notice most of his misinformation at the time.
DJW didn’t hate UAF, that’s a ridiculous claim to make when 1. He was friends/coworkers with most of the UAF crew 2. He literally bought loads of UAF merchandising Did he prefer the Original Series? Yes. Did he not care for alien Osmosians, Anodites, and Fasttrack? Yes. Does that mean he hated UAF on the whole? Absolutely not.
@@mattwo7 Yes, I did. The portion of the video about Derrick (and other crew members) largely revolves around retcons, not misinformation. That’s why the end of the video plugs both the wiki’s Long-standing Misinfo page and the Contradictory Retcons page. They aren’t interchangeable. Nor does Kuro come to the conclusion that DJW hated UAF, because it’s a known fact he didn’t. Hell, he was even a freelance artist on the show.
@@bobismad1362 Actually I should correct myself here, the problem is you misread and misrepresented my comment. I never said "as a whole" _and_ I said 'mostly right"
I think the problem is that his comments often made it seem like he did hate UAF. A lot of his comments regarding UAF and things around it tended to lean more towards the negative side, like more often than not when Derrick was asked about something UAF related it was either negative or neutral. The whole thing with the Rooters and how he worded his comments regarding Ben's future timeline didn't exactly help his case.
when i was a kid i used to think that arctiguana and spitter came from the same planet because they kinda look similar and have similar abilities years later I found out that both are early designs for upchuck
Eichiro Oda says he heavily relies on One Piece wikis to keep things consistent. I can understand why, Akira Toriyama straigh-up forgot he wrote Lunch into the story at some point and then realized like a decade down the line “oh, right, I did write that character didn’t I”
I like the fact that now potentially one of the strongest characters in Ben 10 universe is called "Cosmic Mom"
Kuro should draw a real naljian at his own image as we don’t know is cosmic mom is a naljian or another being
Beware the Mom look
Dear god, not the cosmic chancla
Well, possibly. Dwayne once stated that Alien X wasn't the most powerful alien in the Omnitrix, but later retracted that statement.
I hope we can get an actual name for her species at some point. If not Naljian, then what is it?
If I remember correctly, the unitrix randomized Gwen's DNA before it created Eunice. I wonder if that line was added just to avoid any creepy implications.
Maybe?
I mean, otherwise she would have been a clone of Gwen in appearance.
Should've just written it to be sampled from Kevin
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@@trontravolta379 Then the unitrix would turn into a man .
overreliance on the wiki will be my undoing
Oh hey your that guy with the videos. Wack
I actually asked DJW about how much production material from past seasons they were given when working on the show (stuff like series bibles and such). According him, they weren't given anything and basically ONLY had the wiki to work off.
@@TheLordTash that is absolutely wild
@@TheLordTash That kind of sucks. I know DJW kind of messed up some story and lore things so I wish they were given more to work with although maybe it would have been worse
@@andrews4717 im overjoyed you recognised my name
also, is admirable that the Wiki went from a regular fan-wiki, into becoming an unofficial Show Bible
That first guy was definitely a chronosapian
And decided to make a Bootstrap Paradox
@@axelnilsson5124 isn't it called an author's paradox?
@@minestar2247 no bootstrap paradox is what involves an infinite loop revolving around the existence of an object without origin
@@axelnilsson5124 Dr Who made the analogy; A Beethoven superfan goes back in time to meet him, finds no record of his existence in the time period, but since he knows all of Beethovens work, recreates it essentially becoming Beethoven. But who wrote the music pieces to begin with if he never existed?
Or y'know... Fry becoming his own grandpa in Futurama
@@WyattRumore yes and that’s essentially what the OC is referring to with Animos middle name
Hey, BenBFF here from the wiki (Atleast back in the old days lol), thank you for the shout-out at the end of the video!! Fun Fact, I actually was the one who finally got Primus reinstated into canon after seeing the Matt Wayne comments versus Derrick's. I wasn't even a moderator back then so it was fun talking to Orion Invictus (Or BlazikenRJCF as we all knew him back then) and OneofthoseDF trying to convince them and eventually they made the change!!
Man seeing all those names mentioned in the end of the video....the nostalgia lol!! Thanks for this video and everything you have done for the community, appreciate ya
Thanks for checking out the video, and for all your work on the wiki!
As it’s been so long since I’ve seen OG Ben 10 (2005-2014), I honestly thought you were talking about Primus as in Transformers, given *TF: Animated’s* loose connection to *Ben 10: Omniverse*
I love how kuro threw that little extra detail like, "yeah, I also photoshopped this one guy's pic for the wiki"
"How many other lies have I been told by the council!"
Obi Wan : For your safety, Anakin
Cosmic mom? Wow.
I smell some new fanart coming👀
Cosmic mommy
Cosmic MI-
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@@luxzord865nah go on, say it 🤨
Some facts like the Forever Ninja i guess were never intended to be their canon names, but a way to refer to the character easily since its official name was never mentioned
Ben also refers to it as a ninja in Omniverse.
It was also confirmed that Sploot, a villain that appeared in the episode "Ken 10", is a creature made in a science experiment.
This its why its so important for series to have a lore bible, and internal documentation relying on fan wikis is basically like how teachers told us about wikipedia except its not as well moderated as wikipedia.
as well as for games, especially live services/mmos to actually document the code, looking at you star trek online and "we fired the guys who knew how the foundry works and now its so buggy so we're disabling it" then years later saying "no you see its a copyright nightmare to allow you people to make custom player created content, we cant afford to have staff to moderate every submission." more like you were mad players were better writers then your staff
I still would prefer AF having 3 seasons. The fandom stating that it has 2 is confusing.
It makes more sense but also kind of checks out. They should really have two different articles for production and release order
Same. It has & will always have 3 seasons for me.
Agreed. It aired as 3 seasons, so that's how many it has in my eyes.
It was released as 3 season respectfully who cares how the writers wrote it that’s how it was released. The writers aren’t the only people involved in making the show
If I remember correctly, when it was on HBO Max is was bundled as two seasons.
Happy 17th Anniversary, Ben 10 Wiki! Glad to see the community coming together to fix it up and actually make it a reliable encyclopedia of the show's mythology rather than just be a mess of information that is false, missing, or clashes with each other. A lot of wikis for many media should follow this mindset. Definitely would save everyone a lot of trouble...
On the topic of the Cosmic Mom, I feel the need to add something.
All the logic related to why it can't be definitively assumed that she's a Naljian is completely sound, and I agree with it. We cannot, with the information provided, state as a fact that the Cosmic Mom is a naljian.
But I think it's important to acknowledge that the cosmic mom never called it a "Naljian Destructor", only the Vreedles did. The Cosmic mom only calls it her "daughters favorite toy."
Based on how the naming scheme in Ben 10 usually works, characters would absolutely refer to something like the cube as "species it's assumed to come from: presumed purpose" similar to the way characters talked about the Contumelia. (At least to my memory.) The Cosmic Mom may not be a Naljian, but based on everything we can infer from the cube's name, it's very likely to be what the aliens of the Ben 10 universe call her species.
At the very least, I would say that if any future writers touch on the Cosmic Mom, it's very unlikely they would call her species anything other than Naljian. I think changing her page to not include the name "The Naljian" as at least an alias is unnecessary, and makes searching for her page more difficult.
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funny humungousaur is misspelled and now is canon
In Turkish his name was translated as "İnsanazor" (Human-a-saur) so at least in Turkey you cant mix up Humungusaur's name coming from being humungous as that is translated as "Devasa" which is not even close to being "insan" so yeah... I thought I was gaslit into believing Humungusaur's original name DID come from Humungous-saur.
This makes me realize if I ever work on a piece of fiction or create a franchise I will just say “This is a collaborative effort between other directors, writers, artist, and myself. Even though I’m answering your questions they are just MY headcannon beliefs.” That way there isn’t so much confusion or contradiction. And it would help a lot if people were honest and upfront about what things they worked on and what they didn’t.
That's the best way to go about it.
Red Knight does fit better than Red Ninja, but the robot is SO ninja it's hard to not think of it as one.
For me, the only reliable and 100% canon information is that presented in the show itself since things like third-party products, info-cards and producer statements are always subject to change, retcon or were just invented on the spot.
Cough cough Mor'otesi
Honestly that’s no fun to not allow other products or staff statements to be possible
This is very true. Many writers all telling us pretty production ideas, concept art, scrapped story lines, ect ect is fun, but people give it too much weight when these things contradict the actual story we see.
"subject to change, retcon" is one description I'll use for information presented in the show itself.
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I think Derrick's answers were always tricky, since he mostly worked on self-contained reboots and had a blunt & irreverent sense of humor, so he was probably used to easily excluding stuff he didn't like or making up sarcastic joke answers & plot points. Saying that out loud, he might've actually been a better fit for the 2016 Reboot, since that show had squishier art, a more light-hearted tone, and was a unique continuity.
I agree. I don't know if I would have liked him doing a reboot but it definitely wouldn't have irritated as much.
The reboot definitely fitted his style more.
I thought he fit Omniverse really well. Especially since it had so many people from Transformers Animated work on it, and Derrick was the art director and a showrunner on that.
@@bowserbreaker2515 transformers animated is also a reboot with a silly tone. Omniverse is a sequel
I always love to believe that Queen Horatia Rumbletum of the Gourmands is the daughter of a king Perk Gourmand and a Queen Murk Gourmand and I was starting to think that Buzzshock and Feedback, because of similar appearances, are related in some way.
My favourite part of the Ben 10 Wiki is that KO from OK K.O. is a page on it.
Garnet and Raven too!
You'd think there'd be internal documantation that'd make the wiki completely unnecessary for the rotating writing team.
I've always wondered why these long-running shows don't have some kind of creative story bible
It might be incorrect rumors, but I heard that Cartoon Network does infact have internal materials, they just refuse to give them out.
A lot of tech and items in the show get referred to as where they came from.
Techadon Robots, Tetramand engine, etc.
So someone at some point knew the Destructor was from the Naljian race, then everyone referred to it as such after that.
Definitely. The series has more instances of things being named after their race than instances of them not. I guess the main difference is that Techadon Robots and Tetramands are recurring creatures in the series, while the "Naljian" species is as much of a one-off as The Great One from Cannonbolt's bebut or the gold-shitting Gremlins from "Fool's Gold"
Oh, good point! So, it could be still Naljian, but it also could not. I guess, we'll never really know until its properly confirmed.
except the characters that call it a Naljian Destructor had no idea it was a toy that belonged to the Cosmic Kid.
so if anything the Naljians ould the race that first found the Toy & use it as a weapon
@@Artista_Frustrado Could be possible 🤔
We just don't really have much info on the Cosmic species, Naljians, Naljian Destructor, or anything regarding them, so we just don't know for sure.
Imagine changing something on the wiki and it being in the show
Fake facts? This should be interesting. And good morning everyone.
Good morning and long time no see!
@@cliffturbo2146 sup
It's 5:07 PM where I am
Good morning good sir
2:45
The chronosapiens named their time bomb after them
Maybe in Ben 10 Aliens Just do that
Speculation.
@@b1rgar1p1nsan6 Yeah it's Speculation
I don't believe it's wrong to think that they are the Najians, simply that it's wrong to assert it as the actual truth.
@guymannargit The whole community call them Najians ND so did one of the people at the show
We never know what they're actually called
If I recall correctly, you never see Maltruant referring to the bomb with that name, it's always some other character who did so. From their point of view, calling it a Chronosapien time bomb is understandable, just like aliens referring to cups as "Human cups" is understandable
Kevin being a mutant still feels like a more reasonable assumption than him being part alien.
You had Clamcy, the Circus Freaks, all those wrestlers in the wrestling episode. Plus magic users like Hex and Charmcaster.
Kevin wasn't that weird by comparison. He was just a kid with energy absorption powers, no different from all the other humans with superpowers.
exactly, it also feels much more inclined with OG series as it had a mix of mutants, aliens are other stuff instead of making everything alien
@@theamazingspooderman2697 , the Grandmother of Ben and Gwen were also retcons from UAF besides Gwen not having Magical abilities anymore and Kevin going from a Mutant to an Alien Hybrid.
They could have done an easier fix than what they did Omniverse, by just saying Kevin and his dad were mistaken for Osmoians.
Yeah, I prefer Kevin being a mutant rather than part alien. I just think it's more fun when the alien force crew's abilities come from different sources, that being aliens, magic, and mutations.
True but none of these characters had a stated origin, let alone any indication they shared one
People on the internet do just be lying
I just follow the steps of the Goat J Wyatt
I even remember reading something on the wiki that by late Omniverse, Gwen and Kevin had sex. I don't even remember which page it was and why it was there but it isn't anymore, it was even a writer's statement with a link to support
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On a children's wiki...
I used to read Ben 10 Planet as a kid a lot. Good thing that info was deleted.
Funny thing, the wiki says Big Chill reproduced "genderlessly" instead of "asexually". For the kids, eh?
With regard to the DVD subtitles being inaccurate at times. It’s my understanding that subtitles (in any media) are based on the script, like copy and paste. It saves massive amounts of time compared to someone transcribing all the lines. If the actor gives a slightly different take on the line but it’s close enough, they don’t bother changing it.
oh
The Nanochip thing is a big shock and Mandela Effect for me as I love Alien Swarm as a kid and watch it on a loop and have it on DVD
Microchips actually makes sense, as they aren't really "Nano" but are more like the Microbots from Big Hero 6. In comparison to the Nanomachines from something like Metal Gear Rising, where nano is more like cell sized items, "Micro" feels more fitting.
Now that you say it, I just remembered they had a whole ass battle while in the brain as a battlefield
So the Queen was small as fuck despite being the most powerful in the hive, way smaller than the drones in the movie
Tho Nanomech had the ability to change size, so she most likely can do it. But still, the abyssmal size difference is funny
Wow, a fandom wiki that's largely considered reliable & is constantly updated? Unheard of.
It's not the only one, some fandom wikis have genuinely insane quality behind them. It honestly just sucks tho because fandom drags everything it is connected to down a notch, it feels like the high quality of the fan contributions are a bit wasted due to the consessions in place.
@@lpfan4491 Yea like the Transformers one is pretty good
@@kevscollectibelsTFWiki is self hosted iirc not Fandom hosted
@@duxhunt Huh learn something new everyday thank you
the "Glass Cup" analogy really put into perspective how odd it is to assume that an objects name can be used to determine the name of a species
Not really, because you have to think what were show producers thinking rather what is more logical in our universe. It makes complete sense for writers to name the technology after the speices using it, which happened multiple times in the show anyway
Its a pretty recurring trope on Star Trek, Romulan Ale, anyone?
@@abdalln8554 sure but, i dunno. just 'cause it's a trope elsewhere doesn't mean that's what they're going for here. the Glass Cup analogy still holds sway over me. plus, again: she's referred to as "Cosmic Mom" in the credits. so, there's really no basis in canon.
if they wanted to, if this was what they were going for, they could've called her "Naljian Mom" or "Naljian Mother"... but they didn't
A lesson here is that fans shouldn't take easily edited sources from a Wiki (Specifically from FANDOM Wiki) as full on facts.
About the Naljian thing, I don't think that it would be unusual to assume that the toy "Naljian Destructor" would be named after the species of Naljians. For the glass cup example, we humans wouldn't call it a "human cup" to each other, since we know that it is made by humans already, but perhaps other extraterrestrial species might refer to it as "a human cup" because the cups they have are distinct from what we have. And also, we might refer to it as a "human cup" while talking to other species so that they will understand what we are talking about. An example from the show would be Chronosapien Time Bomb. In the show, we either see it gets called that by non-Chronosapiens or Maltruant speaking to a non-Chronosapien, Vilgax, which would align with the "human cup" example I have just explained. I'd also imagine that Chronosapiens wouldn't refer to Chronosapien Time Bomb with the "Chronosapien" part but rather just "Time Bomb" or "X Time Bomb" where "X" is either the name of the Chronosapien who invented the Time Bomb or the material it is made out of.
Although, yes, canonically we don't know the actual species of the Cosmic Mom or what "Naljian" is supposed to refer to. It could also be the name of the inventor of the device too, who might be the same species as Cosmic Mom.
While we don't say things like "human cup", we do refer to relics by their culture's name to clarify who made them. This would be a similar case
I didn’t understand why the forever knights still existed after UA? When Ben stepped in to fulfill George’s final fight, he ended the sole foundation why the organization was even formed.
people can find any reason to cling to power
Same reason why Forever Knights had different factions and none of them knew of the original mission.
that's the reason there's only like 4 members and a robot in omniverse
They called forever knights for a reason
@@DamianQualshy shouldn’t they have been working with the plumbers to keep earth save or was it just a excuse to hold weapons for ransom?
I think the first one might have been caused by someone mishearing the J. in "Aloysius J. Animo" as James.
I knew Naljians were a myth. People thought I was crazy
19:16 LMFAO I DIDN´T EXPET CANNONBOLT TO POP OFF LIKE THAT💀💀💀💀WHERE IS THAT FROM 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Somebody found the Cannonbolt model from the Protector of Earth game and animated it.
Happy 17th Anniversary to the Ben 10 Planet Wiki, it really has grown into a great source of all of Ben 10's history and really great video debunking a lot of the misinformation over the years (still crazy that some of these made it to the actual shows)
5:39 The game enemies are Forever Ninja Knights, the Red Knight is the character.
9:55 Should’ve added it in parenthesis like this (Also known as Cooper Daniels in this comic).
It’s so interesting how the show incorporated fans input by taking info from the wiki and putting into official Ben 10 media, if not the actual show dvd covers and comic books are still really nostalgic media for some to own from their favorite franchise and some I appreciate them using fans interpretations instead of just BSing something off the spot. It shows that even in the fandoms early days there was a relationship between fans and official media that I don’t know if you find in other franchises like Ben 10 I’m sure there are but Ben 10 has always felt like it was made for people to enjoy and interact with more than just watching they want us to have our own theories and insights
The Cosmic Mom talking to Ben and the others is just like a real life human talking to a sentient 2D character.
0:35 This reminds me of how Ian Flynn used the long-past-reconnected _American_ Manual for Sonic Chaotix's story with one exception: The name "Metal Sonic Kai" which came from the _Japanese_ manual where it was the name Metal Sonic's spare body. Metal Sonic didn't get an upgrade between the events of CD and Chaotic but rather his regular body was under repair. His giant transformation went entirely unnamed in both versions. (Also Pontac and Graff straight up admitted to getting most of their Sonic lore from the fan wiki)
It's weird to me that he made this common mistake but didn't make the same mistake with Mecha Sonic Mark I and Mecha Sonic Mark III (the marks were added designations in a retcon to help distinctify them) who were long incorrectly known by the fanbase and never canonical to the games Archie Comics as Silver Sonic and Silver Sonic 2.0 (Archie also introduced a Silver Sonic 3.0 which was an unpainted Mecha Sonic Mark II )
was binge watching breakdowns and had a question, if the omnitrix does make the transformation the peak form of the species, does that mean ben as grey matter is as smart or even more smarter than Azmuth? i like the idea that it does as ken was able to hack into it and get master control. his grey matter having knowledge as great as azmuth, the creator, would make it easy for him
AZMUTH IS A PEAK GALVEN
Azmuth is peak Galavan i'd say their on par.
When Ben reaches Azmuth’s relative age they’ll be on par.
@@Deadpool-ri3rq should age even matter? it hasn't been a problem even when Ben was fighting luma who was declared the strongest at the time.
people should stop using Ken as an example, that Omnitrix was made by Ben and not Azmuth so ofc its gonna be easier to hack, this holds true in OV too as Biomnitrix is made by Ben and it fails near solar bursts, which doesn't happen to Azmuth's Omnitrix
Wikis are a dangerous place,you'll never know who you'll meet and you never know which fact is real or fake.
True i had personal experience with that edit wars on the famous Wikipedia for example,You should check multiple versions of pages in different languages and chech the footnotes for any reliable evidence i saw many edits on the english page of the "savafid empire" that were recent and completely baseless surprisingly the iranian wiki page version has a very objective and faux unbiased essays on it without nationalist myth.
I remember there was a bizzare case where a teenager edited the Scottish language page making up completely fake accents/dialects it was very funny 😂.
what if the first guy just misheard "J" as "James"
Interesting
I swear one fact I've heard but couldn't find a source for is the ultimatrix turning the user into a duplicate of the alien scanned when obtaining new alien DNA.
I remember this too, and it being the explanation people went with for why all the new UA aliens looked identical to their dna sources
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That's just stupid
They look exactly the same because of something magical called "reusing assets" lmao
By that logic all of Terraspin's species are also clones of Galapagus, cuz when Aggregor arrived everyone looked the same. And the only other member of the species to not be genetically identical would be Adwaitta.
They just use the same models to save time, money and resources. Unique desings are made for special individuals or occasions. It isn't even a new thing, OS did it too.
BenWolf and BenMummy where identical to the Yenaldooshi and the Mummy. They just gave one cloths and swapped purple with green for the other. Meanwhile BenViktor got an actual new desing to make "Viktor" look more like a hero/good guy.
@@jvbon646 you really are an idoet if there all the same who did Ben beat looma if his aliens all the same why bullfrag is taller and musceler oh wait you don't watch the show because your not Ben 10 fans
You can never trust anything a writer says online in response to a question. More often than not they just come up with it in the moment and will forget about it later.
I don't agree with Alien Force having 3 seasons cause 'that's the way it was aired' That would be like putting Firefly episodes in the order they aired even though the creators let everyone know Fox showed them completely out of order
interesting
12:42 It was not just him, Magisters Prior Gilhil and Arnux are stated to *still* not be Incursions also.
True, but it's not provable that they are or aren't. But as for the Incursean Warrior, it was pretty clear what he was meant to be.
So glad we have a more coherent version of the Ben 10ks. It was very confusing and still is tbh but this helps
0:58 so basically it became cannon
As Ash said about the dancing cannonbolt gif
"HE'S BUMPING!"
Was waiting for another ink tank video! Makes my Saturday even better!
It was so cool getting to talk with Dan Riba and help out.
17:38 "Twin stuff, call me Titan"‽ Seriously‽
They'd just be typing anything back then!
@@TheInkTank You'd think OFFICIAL dvds and cds would be able to, I dunno, ask for the scripts or somesuch‽
Almost as if they were using RUclips subtitle software back then.
I'm guessing they're using old people or non-native English speakers or Karens.
Eh, I feel the merch argument is kind of shaky. Merch is an official part of the show and how its perceived, so unless its directly contracted by the show itself at the time of its release I wouldn't call it a fake fact (or a retcon in the opposite case), just that it was "decanonized". When you lack a primary source it's only natural that you go to the next most official place as a source of information and these things are always subject to change.
I'll give an example, Marvel comics releases official handbooks for their characters and storylines, some done in house. In a few of Cyclops' entries it says at his optic blasts don't come from his body, but instead that he opens a portal to a dimension of concussive energy through his eyes. This is never stated to be true in books and other official handbooks state the opposite. This has even been played with in canon where another character opens a portal to a dimension that is filled with red concussive energy and fans have dubbed it the "Punch Dimension". But the question then becomes, do bits of information that's unconfined or contradicted/changed later/ignored invalidate every handbook that has or will come out, even for characters who don't have this specific problem and for ones who won't have primary information given later?
With this I feel it should be a case by case basis where if the primary source doesn't use it as a fact, you can ignore it, but if its never claimed otherwise it fine as a source of information to cite. These things are just going to happen with long running continuities with multiple creative sources, not everyone is going to agree, look up what previous creators have said/done or even honor what was done before they had creative control, so when you look at it like that why can't non-show sources be viewed as reliable canon until the show says otherwise?
the Cyclops example was a perfect example to this discussion as I feel most Marvel fans I've seen dont know where the "eyes opening to a dimension" explanation even originally came from
Nice video. It's always great to see stuff like this done to educate us about the REAL trivia of a show and tell us which is true and false.
well duh, if you actually watch the episode they made pretty clear that the Naljian Destructor wasn't named after the Cosmic Mom's race. they didn't even knew there was a Cosmic Mom looking for the Cosmic Toy that their Cosmic Child lost long time ago
so if anything the Naljians are the species/empire that found said cosmic toy
Honeslty woth how many mistakes ,misconceptions and all these cooks in the kitchen its surprising how ben 10 is still great show
I use the site for my videos a lot to get species names and confirm some abilities and weaknesses it's nice that they are doing a rehaul to make sure everything is accurate
Let’s be thankful that aside from possibly the Kevin thing these additions have not affected the show’s in a major way
Another thing that always irked me about the wiki is that for the creation of Kenny’s watch Ben Viktor (Frankenstrike) was labeled as one of the creators along with grey matter and another alien who I forgot even tho Ben Viktor has never shown any impressive intelligence feats on the level of grey matter and brainstorm only because Dr. Viktor was a scientist therefore the entire race was full of geniuses
That WAS canon, but Frankenstrike's intelligence was retconned in Omniverse.
The BenViktor things is legit, he was listed in the Pop-Up trivia among the aliens used to make Kenny's Omnitrix
They just retconned the intelligence out of Frankenstrike in OV, and changed it so that only Viktor was a genius but not a trait of the whole species
Ben 10 and their retcons… I would’ve never guessed it was retconned at all
They probably retconned Frankenstrike's intelligence so he wouldn't overlap with Brainstorm as a smart alien with electric powers. Ironically, that makes him overlap with Shocksquatch as an electric strongman
I kinda made my own headcanon for Kevin's thing.
He is an alien, Osmosian, and everything about his backstory was true. He went to prison, met Kwarrel, learned to control his powers, but when he escaped, that's when he was captured and tortured by Servantis. He used Kevin's Osmosian DNA to splice the DNA of the children of some plumbers, and then that's when he erased their memories of the events and sent them free as experiments. I think that puts them both together in a satisfying way
That's my headcanon too. Only thing from the franchise I'd change is him being Max's partner. Gives a horrible characterization of Max for not recognizing who was clearly Devin's kid.
Why would Servantis work so hard to get Kevin back in the present day if there's an entire world of Osmosians out there that could do exactly what he wants Kevin for
no this headcanon doesn't make sense, if all osmosians can do what Kevin can do then why go after Kevin? him being a mutant makes much more sense with the tone of OG series
@@theamazingspooderman2697 It's entirely possible that Osmos V was destroyed at some point after season 1 of Ultimate Alien.
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Easy. He was the easiest to get a hold of because he was mentally disturbed and a kid
Hello, birthday Ink Tank video! That's another birthday video with Naljians involved!
The entire species is actually just a bunch of cosmic mums
Mamma Mia!
3:00 another example, shouldn't the omnitrix be called the galvan watch or azmuth watch
That works as an alternate name. If you do not know it’s real name, but you know what species it belongs to
Holy crap, Forever Knight Ninja WASN'T his official name all along?! All these years and I had no idea....
I admit, for once I'll give OV a point: calling him the Red Knight was the right call. It's a less convoluted name and more to the point.
17:08 Kuro, if you're standards were high, you wouldn't be on fandom.
I’m ready for another masterpiece by the Inktank!
This video felt so good to watch, nice facts Kuro!
Thanks for watching!
I know there for a while there was Gwendolyn Ben's(semi-official) daughter there's concept art of her, and she is seen next to Kenny in ep. Ken 10, and yes her animation model was used in Ben 10'000. Heck she looks like Kai, if we have to accept that Kai was Ben's future partner, then I accept the fact that Gwendolyn could be canon.
The only way I could see Kai and Ben being an official couple canonically if they had an Alien Hybrid daughter named Gwendolyn since Kai loves Ben's aliens more than Ben himself, so Gwendolyn being an older sister of Ken makes perfect sense.
@@RoronoaZoro-ur6hr I could see that I just wished they kept with that concept of Ben having a daughter along with Kenny and those two could had a stand-alone episode together, like Ben anodite potential skipped him(though it was hinted in UAF Ben 10K) that he can use Anodite energy, so Gwendolyn would be just like her Aunt Gwen, but with Kai's native american ancestry. So instead of Aliens she deals with spirits of deceased villains in afterlife.
Cause Ben-Kenny are one of my favorite father/son relations in fiction. While Goliath/Angela, and Jotaro/Jolyne are some of my favorite father/daughter relations in fiction so I see Gwendolyn getting along with Ben, but she's stuck up like her mom while having Ben's cleverness to outwit opponents.
5:43 I wish we got AF and UA animated films
Since they’re in the same era it’d be better with a Ultimate Alien animated film
@@axelnilsson5124 exactly. I can imagine one animated film after each season. I can imagine some adapting the video games and adding extra stories. I can see one after AF s3 be about the main characters going into a virtual world were Ben has the AF omnitrix one last time. I’d love to have one after the events of season one of UA. I plan to make a video on this topic.
I was the guy who asked Derrick for the omniverse chromastone PNG. it’s a small contribution, but it’s something and makes me kinda happy when i remember it
It takes every brick to build a strong wall!
I spent so much time on the Ben 10 wiki growing up so seeing so much misinformation was shocking but I love Learning more about it and i will going back to one of my favorite sites in the world!
Same
The red knight is still very ninja like even if not a forever ninja. it is intresting that members of the forever knights might have influences from outside of midevil europe.
On the subject of the quartet of Bens from Alien X-tinction, my headcannon is that the ones from classic, UA, and Omniverse become the Ben 10,000 each show provides.
Something I noticed about the wiki is that some of its errors come from the fact that people from all over the world collaborate and that's where many problems come from because in some dubbings there are things that were changed and when people who didn't see the series in their original language contribute to the wiki that's where some errors appear, I realized this since I usually read the Latin wiki of Ben 10 and I noticed how some collaborators are the same.
02:57 yha, that's right but she also said that it was mear childs toy. Which means it's something that belongs to her. Not to some other creatuers.
Imagine if an Alien finds out about French Toast and assumes we are all French
Here's a fake fact Kyro didn't mention, Ben isn't allergic to cheese or peanuts which was once on the wikipedia page but has sense been deleted.
Also I want to add a few things about why Ben 10,000 in Classic and Ben 10,000 in Omniverse aren't the same. Ben has a daughter named Gwendolyn in Classic as well as the prototype designed Omnitrix while im Omniverse he only has a son as well as the Biomatrix and the same Omnitrix he got in the finale of Ultimate Alien that was used in Omniverse.
Ben is allergic to peanuts. It's only brought up in one episode (Blukic and Driba Go to Mr. Smoothy).
Ben as Way Big says he won't go near a ship full of peanuts because he's allergic. And unless To'kustars are just allergic to peanuts, which I doubt, then it's an allergy Ben himself has that carries over to his alien forms.
@@theking8347 Ultimos is allergic to chocolate, pretty sure Way Big alone can be allergic to peanuts.
@@RomaroBrandon Yeah but Ultimos's weakness to chocolate is a parody of Superman's weakness to Kryptonite. To'kustars having a peanut allergy doesn't seem like something Ben would know
@@theking8347 unless he had peanuts while in that form. I mean he didn't know Ultimos was allergic to chocolate or Upchuck can survive in space if he burps gas until he saw it.
the najian destructor thing is kinda like calling humans rubixes maybe najian is just the name of the inventor
That’d actually be more interesting that if the naljian in naljian destructor isn’t referring to the species that made it but the inventor was named Naljian
drawing matrix when?
They Probably Take The New Intro Properly Including Alien X Instead Of A Black Silluete As The Start Of A New Season
I can't believe I believed and spread misinformation about Echo Echo. Also I *swear* on my *life* I've heard Cooper's last name said somewhere in the show.
I think another Ben 10 fake facts which we all believed is how we spell Aliens name and the different versions of it. Some of the alien spelling are different in both shows and merchandise. For example Eye Guy and humungousaur had their names changed over the years. That due to people interpretation of their names.
Happy 17th anniversary, Ben 10 Wiki!
Thanks for the shout-out, Kuro. I've recently got back into consuming Ben 10 content after quite some time, and have been watching your channel a lot lately, I was really shocked when I heard you saying my username. I'm Furquim, and was an admin of the Ben 10 Wiki. The wiki was a really big part of my life for years, I'm sad that I had to quit, but I'm glad that I helped make a difference there (I helped a bit with the galleries, and was the one that started the trend of posting the entire episodes via screencaps, although I stopped on "A Jolt From The Past" when I had to quit, I believe I still have the files somewhere).
Thanks for your services for the Ben 10 community, and thank you for making my days better, Kuro and the rest of the Ink Tank Crew.
Happy to see you in the comments! All Wiki contribution new and old helped make the site what it is today. Glad to know the old guard is still treading the grounds. Your idea to post entire episodes via screencaps is MONUMENTAL to editing my videos.
It's nice that you highlight the good about this rather than just focusing on the bad.
I wish Gwen had a villain arc like imagine if someone she cared for died but ben was off fighting an intergalactic battle so she sinks into dark magic in order to resurrect them
Oh yeah, kuro, do you think you'll cover the reboot series in your break down after omniverse?
It's been a while but he said he's only reviewing the movie and the finale specials for the Reboot.
Idk what it is about this video but i felt a strange wave of nostalgia while watching
Also, Naljian is similar to other demonyms (Canadian, Indian, American) which would denote the destructor being created on Nalj or Nalji.
Nalji the Cosmic Dad.
Makes toys like an extradimensional cosmic Woodworker.
Or Naljia.
Still, the Chronosapien Time Bomb exists, and the Naljian Destructor was presumably named in a similar way to it with it being based off of the user naming it rather than the creator, so Naljian fits as well as any of these names.
You make a good point, and also the species from the planet Nalj/Nalji/Naljia would most likely be called Naljians.
I feel like we just don’t know enough about it and the -ian suffix(?) could mean so many things. That’s separate from the fact that Cosmic Mom could have gotten it from a Naljian without being one.
Just remembered I used to be an admin on the Ben 10 wiki back in 2010, it used to be so unorganized until I came in and I basically copied Bulbapedia's format and tweaked it to fit Ben 10 info
Wish they had followed up on the Cosmic Mom's Species. That would've made from some interesting stories.
I long held the belief that Wyatt had a hatred of UAF and a lot his obvious misnformation was a result of this. Seems I was at least mostly correct. I got into several arguments about this in the last decade on and off on the fan wiki and on RUclips. I also used to be a Formspring User who followed him (on a roleplay account based on Bakugan New Vestroia character Baron Leltoy and his ace bakugan (Mega) Nemus (he was never called Mega Nemus in the show)) but it seems I didn't notice most of his misinformation at the time.
DJW didn’t hate UAF, that’s a ridiculous claim to make when
1. He was friends/coworkers with most of the UAF crew
2. He literally bought loads of UAF merchandising
Did he prefer the Original Series? Yes. Did he not care for alien Osmosians, Anodites, and Fasttrack? Yes. Does that mean he hated UAF on the whole? Absolutely not.
@@bobismad1362 Did you even watch the video?
@@mattwo7 Yes, I did. The portion of the video about Derrick (and other crew members) largely revolves around retcons, not misinformation. That’s why the end of the video plugs both the wiki’s Long-standing Misinfo page and the Contradictory Retcons page. They aren’t interchangeable.
Nor does Kuro come to the conclusion that DJW hated UAF, because it’s a known fact he didn’t. Hell, he was even a freelance artist on the show.
@@bobismad1362 Actually I should correct myself here, the problem is you misread and misrepresented my comment. I never said "as a whole" _and_ I said 'mostly right"
I think the problem is that his comments often made it seem like he did hate UAF. A lot of his comments regarding UAF and things around it tended to lean more towards the negative side, like more often than not when Derrick was asked about something UAF related it was either negative or neutral. The whole thing with the Rooters and how he worded his comments regarding Ben's future timeline didn't exactly help his case.
when i was a kid i used to think that arctiguana and spitter came from the same planet because they
kinda look similar and have similar abilities years later I found out that both are early designs for upchuck
Eichiro Oda says he heavily relies on One Piece wikis to keep things consistent.
I can understand why, Akira Toriyama straigh-up forgot he wrote Lunch into the story at some point and then realized like a decade down the line “oh, right, I did write that character didn’t I”