ACC Claims They Have "No Incentive, Less Than Zero Percent," To Settle With FSU and Clemson
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- Опубликовано: 5 сен 2024
- A source told Brett McMurphy from Action Network that the ACC has “no incentive to settle” with Florida State and Clemson in court. They added, “less than zero percent.” Clemson and FSU are suing the league in an effort to break the Grant of Rights and leave the conference. Will ACC commissioner Jim Phillips and conference lawyers be able to keep the fight going and hold them off in court?
Hosts Alex Donno and Kenton Gibbs point out the likely posturing in the ACC’s stance and Donno points out that if the ACC starts losing in court, their incentive to settle could change quickly. Last year, seven ACC schools held meetings to discuss the Grant of Rights. Is there a possibility that this “Magnificent Seven” could rekindle their talks and look to break away from the current ACC to form their own league? Ross Dellenger of Yahoo! Sports has pointed out that for FSU, Clemson and others to join the Big Ten or SEC, schools in those conferences would have to agree to a lesser payout to add new members.
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FSU did not declare. They asked the courts to consider them withdrawn IF and Only IF the courts decide the ACC has breached the contract. Judge Cooper has stated that FSU request was not a formal withdrawal and the ACC attny’s agreed.
I agree but it’s semantics. We are all but gone.
Yeah. But FSU is no longer WANTED. Once FSU pays what it owes it can go.
And if it doesn't want to go. It can PAY then get KICKED OUT.
The FSU AD didn’t lie. FSU has not officially notified the ACC that they are leaving. They have in their filing that if certain things go their way then they want that retrospective date to serve as their official notification. But those things haven’t happened. Obviously they want out. But there has absolutely not been official notification that they ARE leaving. You have to ask the right questions to get the right answers. Wanting to do something and doing something are not the same thing.
Thank you for the clarification
They’re just trying to get collect, especially Kent
FSU AN CLEMSON could lose every game next season and still have the most tv viewers...viewership not even close...ACC is DONE....UPDATE YOUR RESUMES...AND BOO CORIGAN PUT THE NAIL IN THE ACCs coffin...
Phillips: "we have contract with ESPN until 2036, there are no issues"
Also Phillips about 2025 option: "they just have a 'look-in' and we have a few issues to work out"
Do you see the contradiction. I know you're smart enough to see how the first statement is PR and the second is slip up confirmation undermining the first statement.
I am not a member of the ACC nor am employed by ESPN, but I know one issue they need to work through: $. ESPN can basically say, “I have an offer you can’t refuse.” ( Don Vito Corleone) and Phillips will take ir, otherwise the ACC will end up like the PAC,
Acc will not have media deal after espn terminates it in February 2025
That option was supposed to be signed in 2022! However, the ACC AD gave ESPN an extension on that option til 2025! There was no vote or discussion about it! We all know, FSU, Clemson, Miami, VT, NC State and UNC would have said no. Do you want the option, you do it in 2022 not in 2025! In 2022, it was clear, the B10 and SEC were signing new tv deals, that would pay them 40 to 60 million per team more than the ACC.
There is no contradiction. You just have no clue what he is talking about.
The contract hs a Look-In every 5 years. The next Look-In in in 2027.
@@timothyhinkle1395 ESPN will not terminate because keeping the ACC intact until 2036 is worth more than ?2.5 Billion for ESPN. And ESPN also CANNOT terminate as long as the ACC has ANY 15 Teams in it (or more).
You guys believe lots of BS.
The ACC is silly if they think they don’t have any reason to settle. ESPN has a lot of good reasons to not renew the ACC contract in 2025. Plus, the ACC hasn’t acted with the parties’ best interests and discovery will be damaging for them.
Same way they pilfered the Big East is happening to them
ACC actually knows the details of the Contract and GOR. You don't. You are silly.
The State of Florida has all of the power. That's being ignored by everyone.
Very good point!
People are focusing on the judicial aspects of the case and appear unaware of the political aspect. FSU has a lot of goodwill and friends in political circles. The ACC does not. If the NC legal system declares that the State of Florida does not have sovereign immunity in NC, the Florida legislature could pass a law stating that any case brought against any state entity by a private party for the purpose of potentially laying claim to state property, has to be tried in a Florida courtroom. That is not unconstitutional in Florida law. What is a court in NC going to do? They can appeal it in the federal courts but if it does not violate the Florida constitution, then it will be upheld. Do NOT be surprised if this matter becomes political.
Lol, George W Bush & Condoleezza Rice say hi. Stanford, Notre Dame and Virginia as well. Goofy.
Kenton, how is a battle for survival for the ACC? You have also said that not that many schools either have a place to go or the money to leave? So, how is this a battle for acc’s survival under this logic?
The Hyperbole here is hilarious 😂
The ACC is just posturing, which they should. The reality is as soon as the FL courts authorize public discovery of all documents and communications between the ACC and ESPN, this will be settled the next day.
then you are hoping that the courts will side with a deadbeat
@@bigfootwalker5399This would be assuming that FSU/CU accusations of ACC fraud and unethical actions are all lies.
@@bigfootwalker5399Who’s a deadbeat?
@@505premoto fsu is trying to avoid paying the exit fee, if that happened it would make them deadbeats.
💯...ACC is a corrupt sh1t show
Are you guys polishing your resumes for when the ACC goes the way of the PAC-12?
The ACC has been an exceedingly poor steward for the schools that provide revenue for all the schools that provide nothing.
Looking forward to the FL and SC AG also putting forward lawsuits against the ACC.
UNC hop on board.
FSU to the B1G!
Can we use you as a reference?
It’s a weird remark by the ACC. Conflict resolution is always better than standing conflict. Just ask the Mob.
Hey guys! Whatever is going to happen needs to happen. Let's get back to football. 😁
How can someone say that haven’t stated they’re leaving?
They haven’t said that. The language states that if actions aren’t take they want they declaration to leave backdated.
Gaslighting? Like the ACC suing FSU before they took member votes which is required by the bylaws.
Good luck.
How do you know the ACC did not ask enough schools if it could Sue FSU? You don't. You also don't know if they were required to take a Vote. You just believe anything the LYING FSU Leadership tells you like some Naive Child. .
I wouldn't settle either if I were the ACC. No ACC team can say that they're 'under duress' when they keep signing the ESPN paperwork and no team has gotten to the playoffs this decade. FSU cannot say that ESPN is paying them unfairly when in 2024 it knowingly signed the 2026 ESPN playoff extension where it would get 17% but the SEC would get 29%. Furthermore, the Big 12 is getting 15% less than the ACC and no team is suing ESPN.
News flash! No ACC school who cares about CFB and wants compete at high level, they would never approve or vote of extending that option 2022 to 2025 for the tv to go to 2036! None of them! Why? It was clear in 2021/2022, the B10 and SEC new tv deals would be giving their schools per year 40 to 60 million more than the ACC schools! Your talking about 40 to 60 million more til 2036.
LOL. If the ACC loses on a single issue in the two suits, those two schools will walk away for FREE. No lawyer is going to advise them to take that risk.
It's not about disbanding the league, but mutually agreeing to split the league. The key inflection points incoming are (1) the ESPN decision on their option and (2) NCAA settlement for athlete compensation. These could provide the needed political cover to split the league along the fissure between private and public school.
If the contract changes the GOR is much weaker because the GOR is written and says it is to secure the rights needed for the ACC to fulfill the very specific ESPN agreement as amended in 2016.
The ACC cant agree to.more.money, or less money, or any change in terms. It is take it or.leave it. Np changes
The Acc is done what else would he say smh the delusion is mind blowing to me
The delusion is one you share with lots of other dumbasses
You sound delusional!
@@jmath1978 you’re team must be a bottom feeder of the Soon to be defunct Acc🤩
@@TallyHo850 I am in a team that EVERYONE says should get into the SEC, B1G of Big 12. No one says we won't at least get into the Big 12. No one.
I just happen to have several FACTS at my disposal that you do not know. And you ae believing several LIES so you opinion is based on BS. So to YOU I sound delusional. To me you sound like a Kindergartner talking to a Doctor about Medicine.
The surest sign someone is posturing for a settlement negotiation is a public declaration that they have no interest in settling...
You should both be grateful to fsu. Without them you would have nothing to discuss. Pretty sure RUclips views would die as well.
We are
That's a semenholes joke 😅
Keep talking FSU is losing its final ACC title and good riddance! When you left being an all-girl School the ACC took you in when nobody else cared to. It's FSU that should be grateful and screw all of you!
It is up to what the judges have to say.
I hope Clemson stays in ACC. FSU reminded me of Maryland. Dabo is a stand up guy! Paul Feinbaum hates Dabo for some reason but he is Jerry Springer on the SEC network.
It may be weird to a miami fan that clemson and fsu are involded in talks about the future of the conference, but in reality....
1. Neither school has officially declared they are leaving, the document in context shows they are wanting that to be the date IF the courts side with fsu.
2. FSU and Clemson are the future of the conference, just as they have been the water baerers of the conference.
Semenholes what a joke 😅
YOU GUYS NEED TO ACTUALLY DO SOME RESEARCH INTO THE THINGS OF WHICH YOU SPEAK
This is pretty simple. FSU has not issued an "official notice of withdrawal" as required by the ACC Bylaws. FSU's contract does not state what McMurphy writes. He misrepresented the actual language. It stated that *"if"* the Court finds that the grant of rights and exit fee penalties were **both** void and unenforceable, that FSU gives notice on that date. It's conditional. And I'm not sure a judge/court can even retroactively apply that date. I'm sure you two will argue that's the same thing as FSU announcing it's withdrawal, but it's not. It legally is not the same, and the ACC must agree because they have allowed FSU to continue to participate in conference matters such as the spring meetings last week.
As far as FSU/Clemson not adding value to the P2, we all know that's a load of 💩. They are at least as valuable as the average P2 school, and I think almost everyone would agree they're *more valuable* than average. I cannot believe how many journalists repeat this line when everybody knows it's nonsense. And in the case of ESPN, they could simply recoup any additional expenses caused by FSU/Clem moving to the SEC by terminating the ACC deal in 2027 and renegotiating a new deal from 2027-36 for a reduced price. ESPN could easily come out ahead via that arrangement.
But I agree with Kenton. If the "Magnificent 7" secure an 8th or 9th school (Duke, GT?) to dissolve the conference, there is no longer keeping *any* of those 7, 8 or 9 schools from seeking their own landing spot in the P2. EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF! The ACC would be dead - THANK GOD! But that doesn't mean the "Mag 7" would ever form their own conference.
The ACC is dead either way. The only question is the precise order of the dominoes to fall.
They have to present a strong united front. It's over though. Clock is ticking curtain is closing.
Yawn..... . There's a path to the playoffs that still exist, so get out of the way.
You two are a trip. When did fsu say they were no longer members?
Why yall listing to this guys
Completely sick and tired of the ACC add King's like Clemson and Florida State who think pair so much better than every other school in the conference.
They are by far that what championship do for you.
They make money while the other schools lose it! 😂🤦🏼♂️
@@SurferRC that's just not true you think Duke North Carolina NC State Georgia tech Virginia tech Virginia Miami hell all the schools in the ACC none of them are no name schools except maybe SMU right now
@@williamdavis9524 how stupid is that between the two of them they have six championships in the last100 years. In football the other schools in the ACC are racking up titles in every other sport it doesn't help nearly as much basketball helps a little that's a weak argument. That's why FSU can go to the SEC I don't care you're just as stupid as these idiots down here.
@Alex...where do you prefer Miami land if a move occurs? 🤔
Big Ten, if possible, is ideal
@@LockedOnACC If we gotta go that makes sense.
@@LockedOnACCThen why did UM vote to sue FSU from getting out?
@@505premoto Crickets from Miami on that subject
UM doesn't even have a stadium or indoor practice facility...be luck to get into big 12
There is no incentive for the ACC to settle. Half of the damage has already been done. The ACC's Brand, harmony, and longevity has already been viciously attacked by FSU's media proxy bot campaign.
FSU & Clemson leverage was in threatening to sue. Not by actually suing. Now it's a fight to the death.
As For UNC. A faction wanting ....more money period. That doesn't equate to the school even thinking about suing. It's already a political mine field for the Tarheels in North Carolina.
No the ACC's brand was damaged when an Undefeated FSU team could not get into the playoffs because the ACC was viewed as a weaker conference.
@@edl7454 No Silly. You struggled. You struggle against Boston College. Thank the ACC refs for that one, please.
Title game. Struggled.
No QB. ACC didn't tell goofy Norvell & Jordan Travis to stat pad against a G1000 school.
Washington. Michigan. Texas. Alabama. FLAGSHIPS. The famous Nick Saban was always getting another shot. Tallahassee State University was the weakest team left out.
So desperate to be in sESPN's Playoffs. Have some dignity Geez.
Washed and irrelevant.
ACC was innocent.
Kirk was right.
Ur stupid
@@rx2878you cant be this dumb 🤡😂🤦🏼♂️
If you know you are not going to lose, you have no reason to settle. They know FSU has nothing, nothing to stand on.
Lol they will settle as soon as discovery is demanded by the courts.
Remind us where you went to law school.
@@505premoto its common knowledge. Just watch
@@SurferRC What’s common knowledge?
@@505premoto you settle before your dirty laundry and scams are made public
Those who knew already expected the look in. There was always to be expected increases. Presumably all of the schools are bound together. The FSU strategy against the ACC is to damage the GOR & reputation of the conference so much that ESPN doesn't increase, or even renew the contract.
The reason FSU and others wanted to leave asap is because they needed to sabatoged the conference 1st as directed from co-conspirators from B1G-SEC.
FSU wants to sabotage the ACC? Really? All they want to do is leave. In what possible way does that sabotage the ACC? After FSU leaves, the ACC can do whatever they want. The ACC is going to have to find another way to replace the $80m a year that FSU puts in while only receiving $39m back, but that’s the ACC problem, not FSU’s. I am sure that the ACC can find another megastar to replace them.
@@505premoto
Wow, 80M of value contributed across an entire conference?
Statistically insignificant.
This is nothing.
Do. you. actually. know. math.
Learn a quantitative discipline.
This little disinformation campaign only works on the college football rubes who can't count.
You only get what you negotiated, and don't deserve 1 red cent more.
That is what you negotiated.
Nothing more.
Instead of Talking the 4D chess of negotiating active lawsuits when you should have left with the non-slow school at Maryland ..Oh, wait...B1G 10 didn't want FSU when they signed Maryland & Rutgers in large metro Megaregions.
Nobody cares about mothballed Seminoles glory days. Not a Flagship. University of Florida still has more nattys in everything in this same century.
"Unconquered" 63-3
ACC years of mismanagement and corruption are coming to an end...the other teams have ZERO TV ratings...just fold the football programs and focus basketball
@@kenshall10267
Ah, the alleged mismanagement canard & corruption conspiracy theories. Can't prove it huh?
Maryland & Rutgers command better deals than Tallahassee State University girls school.
FSU was homeless. joined the an Atlantic coastal conference. Cries. News at 11.
Lie Infested Seminole rants.
FSU AN CLEMSON could lose every game next season and still have the most tv viewers...viewership not even close...ACC is DONE....UPDATE YOUR RESUMES...AND BOO CORIGAN PUT THE NAIL IN THE ACCs coffin...