Pharamacists, physical therapists, and NPs have doctorates, yet i’ve never addressed any as Dr. I tell my patients I’m a CRNA so they are educated about who we are instead.
Hi. Long-time subscriber here. I think you're a great representative of your profession. I've got a doctorate, but am careful about when I've used the term; almost ALWAYS in a college classroom setting👨🏾🏫 but, never in the healthcare setting. I always enjoy hearing your opinion. Take care!🙂👋🏽👨🏽⚕️
Jason I have followed you off on for several months and now just seeing this RUclips video I have to say I am very proud of you. Not only because of your professional status, your doctorate in nursing anesthesiology is awesome for sure, but I think what you said in this RUclips video is so very important now that I have retired from anesthesia, one thing that I told all my nurse anesthesia students was that it’s not so important to just pound into your patient your title as a nurse or the doctor. What IS most important is to identify with the patient, To be connected to that patient, to earn their trust.. What I used to say when I was your age young man, ha ha Ha..was this..Hello, my name is Leon blah blah blah I am your nurse anesthesiologist or a nurse anesthetist or anesthesia provider. That was always a mouthful, and when I said that my patient’s eyes with either cross, become disconjugate, Or they were just fall asleep. And their anxiety level would go through the roof you could just watch it happen… Amazing. So I finally figured out the Best Way to introduce myself was in this fashion. Are you ready? Hi, my name is Leon, and I pass gas. Did you smile when I said that? Once I started using this little joke, I realized a very very important aspect of my patient care. For us as anesthesia providers we are focused on the case, the anesthesia plan, and the outcome for the patient. For that patient however, until you have bonded with them and won their trust, you have much more work to do with your anesthesia plan if you have not accomplished this very first important task. Again I’m very long-winded and I apologize for that, but one thing I just need to say, I enjoyed your video amazing work young man. Hi Jason, my name is Leon, and I passed gas… I don’t get paid for it this time ha ha Ha Realize that the most important thing you can do for your patient and for your professional career, is learning how to bond with that patient and get their trust immediately before you start passing gas Have an awesome day.
Agree with everything about this!! What is that quote “don’t you dare shrink yourself for someone else’s comfort. Do not become small for people who refuse to grow” - very applicable for this topic! I am in CRNA school right now getting my DNP and after all of the blood sweat and tears put into this degree, it would be nice to be acknowledged for it! I come from a family with a lot of physicians so that probably won’t happen, but it’s nice to dream😂
Thanks for this informative video. I’m a family nurse practitioner and currently I’m enrolled into the DNP program at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, TX. I have been thinking about it, how am I going to handle it when I introduce myself to my patients once (God willing) I finish my doctorate program. Great advice.
Introducing yourself in a healthcare setting as “Dr” implies to patients that you are a physician, even if you follow it up with specifying you are a nurse with a doctorate. It’s 100% misleading and a clout grab for anyone who uses this title in front of patients who’s not an MD/DO. MDs/DOs should NOT need to specify to patients that they are a medical doctor. This should be implied by common language as it always has been. On top of that, comparing a doctorate in nursing to an MD/DO is not even comparable in the slightest in regards to level of knowledge and training. The doctorate nursing degrees are also non-clinical, and academic degrees. In a lecture setting, by all means call yourself Dr. whatever. But in a hospital, only physicians should use the title of doctor to avoid confusion.
The idea that physicians should not have to give any clarification on who they are or what they are doing for their patient is ridiculous. Your way of thinking is decades outdated. You claim all doctoral nursing degrees are non clinical which is false. You speak on topics you are ignorant on.
@@FranciscoHernandez-dd4nb They take the same exact board exams (plus more), go through the same courses (plus more), have the same requirements to graduate as MD's, and go through the same residency programs. Essentially, they have the same requirements and expectations as their MD counterparts. That's why they are called "Doctor X" in a clinical setting. THAT'S why physicians are pissed about non-physicians trying to pass themselves off as something they're not to patients and colleagues. Non-physicians don't go through the rigors that physicians go through - from college through becoming an attending. And it isn't even close. Try to think a little harder next time.
@@MultiNerve dude, he's referring to the guys comment. He's not saying physicians don's explain their specialty. Be more thorough before you leave an aggressive comment.
This is an interesting topic. I am not a nurse, crna, pa, or doctor. I do see this argument frequently and wonder WHY it is such a frequent discussion. On one hand I see APP’s requesting new titles that are not traditionally their norm, and on the other I see doctors fighting tooth and nail to keep them from having these titles. After reading the comments I see a few flaws in the logic. It seems that doctors feel superior due to their educational background and training. I hate to say it but this is simply not true. The four years of medical school is null and void in terms of clinical practice. Think about it like this… if you ask a doctor what makes them so capable chances are they are not going to talk about medical school. They are going to talk about their residency. The 3-5 years of clinical experience where they learned how to be a doctor. Ask an orthopedic surgeon how to treat rheumatic fever chances are you’re going to hear crickets. At one point you do have a broad understanding of medicine, but it dissipates once you specialize. It all comes down to clinical training. I’ve seen military trained PA’s work circles around physicians… why? Because that PA spent the last couple years putting in chest tubes and intubating patients in a dark shack in the Middle East (superior training). Now specifically on to CRNA’s. I’ve seen some comments knocking nurses which in general is pretty rude, but let’s take a deep dive. If nursing is not an adequate prerequisite to enter into the anesthesia clinical arena, then I assume the adequate experience would be medical school. Although I think most would agree neither know much about anesthesia. So what do they know? Well if you asked me who I wanted taking care of me I’d 100% say an ICU nurse with 2+ years of experience from a level 1 trauma hospital (average crna applicant) over a new grad medical student. So what it comes down to is a 4 year residency 1 year being non-clinical vs. a 3 year program where depending on the school you have 2-2.5 years of clinical rotations (some schools start rotations late second semester). Additionally, I think most would agree that your fourth year of residency is mostly slave labor and much of your learning is complete. So I would say the training is relatively comparable. I would agree that the 4 year residency is probably slightly more comprehensive. However, there are some additional factors. One being quality of residency. There are many residencies at middle of no where hospitals where you are simply not going to be trained as well as say a Duke University CRNA. Further, as “inferior” as nursing is you do learn some pretty handy skills…. Perhaps vascular access… not sure if anyone agrees but I’d say that’s a pretty important tool in anesthesia. A provider being able to do his own lines at any moment without hesitation is useful. I don’t really care what you call anyone. Call them captain dumb dumb for all I care, but that reflects more about you than them. There’s room and a need in the medical field for everyone. If Bolt wants to be called Dr. Bolt who CARES…. Honestly it’s easier and less confusing than CRNA Bolt or Anesthesia Provider Bolt. Why does it matter? Is it because he’s less of a clinician…? I’d say less than who…? Point out one thing a CRNA is not trained on in anesthesia?
Thanks man! Great info! You’re a awesome CRNA! I can’t wait to start Donating to the Anesthesiologist Foundation in June since It was hard for me to go to college to be a Anesthesiologist after I graduated high school in 08 because of my cerebral palsy , I have had 14 surgeries because of my cerebral palsy I’m 31 from Memphis, do you like hocking loogies? I do it’s a guy thing lol! I love your Tesla! I just check out a red Tesla model 3 yesterday, I love it
Medical doctors should just be called MDs imo. There’s hundreds of different types of doctors out there and I ONLY see MDs complain about ONE specific type being called “Dr.” I think “MD so and so” would work and would specify which type since they want a specific title that differentiates them from other types of doctors (nurses only really).
@@WanTahn The medical setting doesn't obviate a degree or title. Educating patients and the general public is key to combatting misinformation. CRNAs and other advanced practice providers can be as competent as their physician colleagues in delivering the necessary care. I recommend you educate yourself more on this matter.
I’m an RN, no advanced degree, but I just started at a new job and I have been very uncomfortable with the fact that CNAs at the new place that I work are frequently referred to as “nurses” by administrative staff when talking to patients. I know the administrative staff who do this mean no harm and just don’t know any better but it just feels misleading to tell a patient that a nurse will be seeing them when they’re actually seen by a CNA. I’ve been wanting to ask management to clarify with administrative staff that misrepresenting the credentials of healthcare staff should be avoided but since I am new I’m not sure if it would lead to me being seen as thinking I am better than CNAs. We don’t wear name tags with our titles and I have never heard a CNA correct the administrative staff.
The hospital I work at has different positions wearing different scrub colors. RNs wearing black, PT wears blue, LPNs wear purple, HUCs wear grey, imaging wear dark blue, CNA wear a Maroon, Lab wears blue lab coats. Admin wear business causal, Providers wear whatever they want depending on their specialty.
Cna are nurses too just a different level of nursing bc I know you had to do cna work in nursing school so yes they are nurse just on a different level
@@BoltCRNA so is anesthesiologist in many states. I think the bigger question is why? Should we care if a CNA is referred to as nurse, or a CRNA as an anesthesiologist? And if we decide yes, then let’s apply the same rule across the board.
I would say, say you're a doctor to friends, family, strangers pretty much anywhere except in the hospital in front of MDs. If a doctor in education or chemistry can proudly call themselves doctor than should advanced practice nurses.
I agree, however i disagree that setting is relevant to the fact that he is a Doctor. It is a fact. It's an actual fact in a court of law. If it's a fact in a court of law, it's acceptable anywhere.
@@DaneZ28 I'm not saying that setting changes the fact that one is a doctor. Just that in medical field, doctor traditionally refers to MDs that completed a certain amount of education which advanced practice nurses do not. I guess I'm just mindful of that and wouldn't portray myself as professionally equal to someone who is more qualified than me when standing in front of them. It would irritate me a little if i were in their shoes and when you're working in a group with bunch of MDs with high egos, it might not bode well for you. However if I'm working alone with a patient and everyone else I would still call myself a doctor. That's just me.
The thing I hate most about mds - after their arrogance - is when they come in and call themselves Dr. X but they presume to call me by my first name. If you want to be Dr X then I am Ms or Dr /x to them - screw their power play
Pharamacists, physical therapists, and NPs have doctorates, yet i’ve never addressed any as Dr. I tell my patients I’m a CRNA so they are educated about who we are instead.
Hi. Long-time subscriber here. I think you're a great representative of your profession. I've got a doctorate, but am careful about when I've used the term; almost ALWAYS in a college classroom setting👨🏾🏫 but, never in the healthcare setting. I always enjoy hearing your opinion. Take care!🙂👋🏽👨🏽⚕️
Jason I have followed you off on for several months and now just seeing this RUclips video I have to say I am very proud of you. Not only because of your professional status, your doctorate in nursing anesthesiology is awesome for sure, but I think what you said in this RUclips video is so very important now that I have retired from anesthesia, one thing that I told all my nurse anesthesia students was that it’s not so important to just pound into your patient your title as a nurse or the doctor. What IS most important is to identify with the patient, To be connected to that patient, to earn their trust.. What I used to say when I was your age young man, ha ha Ha..was this..Hello, my name is Leon blah blah blah I am your nurse anesthesiologist or a nurse anesthetist or anesthesia provider. That was always a mouthful, and when I said that my patient’s eyes with either cross, become disconjugate, Or they were just fall asleep. And their anxiety level would go through the roof you could just watch it happen… Amazing.
So I finally figured out the Best Way to introduce myself was in this fashion. Are you ready?
Hi, my name is Leon, and I pass gas.
Did you smile when I said that? Once I started using this little joke, I realized a very very important aspect of my patient care. For us as anesthesia providers we are focused on the case, the anesthesia plan, and the outcome for the patient. For that patient however, until you have bonded with them and won their trust, you have much more work to do with your anesthesia plan if you have not accomplished this very first important task.
Again I’m very long-winded and I apologize for that, but one thing I just need to say, I enjoyed your video amazing work young man.
Hi Jason, my name is Leon, and I passed gas… I don’t get paid for it this time ha ha Ha
Realize that the most important thing you can do for your patient and for your professional career, is learning how to bond with that patient and get their trust immediately before you start passing gas
Have an awesome day.
Great to hear such a well rounded perspective. Thank you.
I may be wrong, but I heard CRNA doctorates nationwide are rather new. My question is, why did CRNAs push for this? I'm sure it's a long explanation!
Good video man! I 100% agree with you on this topic! Well put perspective on the matter
Agree with everything about this!! What is that quote “don’t you dare shrink yourself for someone else’s comfort. Do not become small for people who refuse to grow” - very applicable for this topic!
I am in CRNA school right now getting my DNP and after all of the blood sweat and tears put into this degree, it would be nice to be acknowledged for it! I come from a family with a lot of physicians so that probably won’t happen, but it’s nice to dream😂
Thanks for this informative video. I’m a family nurse practitioner and currently I’m enrolled into the DNP program at the University of Texas Medical Branch in Galveston, TX. I have been thinking about it, how am I going to handle it when I introduce myself to my patients once (God willing) I finish my doctorate program. Great advice.
Love this so much! Awesome!
Introducing yourself in a healthcare setting as “Dr” implies to patients that you are a physician, even if you follow it up with specifying you are a nurse with a doctorate. It’s 100% misleading and a clout grab for anyone who uses this title in front of patients who’s not an MD/DO. MDs/DOs should NOT need to specify to patients that they are a medical doctor. This should be implied by common language as it always has been.
On top of that, comparing a doctorate in nursing to an MD/DO is not even comparable in the slightest in regards to level of knowledge and training. The doctorate nursing degrees are also non-clinical, and academic degrees. In a lecture setting, by all means call yourself Dr. whatever. But in a hospital, only physicians should use the title of doctor to avoid confusion.
The idea that physicians should not have to give any clarification on who they are or what they are doing for their patient is ridiculous. Your way of thinking is decades outdated. You claim all doctoral nursing degrees are non clinical which is false. You speak on topics you are ignorant on.
@@BoltCRNA they say “hi I’m Dr. X, the [insert specialty].” What the hell are you talking about?
DOs are not Medical Doctors, so by your definition I guess they should not call themselves Doctors either ? 🤣
@@FranciscoHernandez-dd4nb They take the same exact board exams (plus more), go through the same courses (plus more), have the same requirements to graduate as MD's, and go through the same residency programs. Essentially, they have the same requirements and expectations as their MD counterparts. That's why they are called "Doctor X" in a clinical setting. THAT'S why physicians are pissed about non-physicians trying to pass themselves off as something they're not to patients and colleagues. Non-physicians don't go through the rigors that physicians go through - from college through becoming an attending. And it isn't even close.
Try to think a little harder next time.
@@MultiNerve dude, he's referring to the guys comment. He's not saying physicians don's explain their specialty. Be more thorough before you leave an aggressive comment.
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Welcome aboard!
This is an interesting topic. I am not a nurse, crna, pa, or doctor. I do see this argument frequently and wonder WHY it is such a frequent discussion. On one hand I see APP’s requesting new titles that are not traditionally their norm, and on the other I see doctors fighting tooth and nail to keep them from having these titles. After reading the comments I see a few flaws in the logic. It seems that doctors feel superior due to their educational background and training. I hate to say it but this is simply not true. The four years of medical school is null and void in terms of clinical practice. Think about it like this… if you ask a doctor what makes them so capable chances are they are not going to talk about medical school. They are going to talk about their residency. The 3-5 years of clinical experience where they learned how to be a doctor. Ask an orthopedic surgeon how to treat rheumatic fever chances are you’re going to hear crickets. At one point you do have a broad understanding of medicine, but it dissipates once you specialize. It all comes down to clinical training. I’ve seen military trained PA’s work circles around physicians… why? Because that PA spent the last couple years putting in chest tubes and intubating patients in a dark shack in the Middle East (superior training). Now specifically on to CRNA’s. I’ve seen some comments knocking nurses which in general is pretty rude, but let’s take a deep dive. If nursing is not an adequate prerequisite to enter into the anesthesia clinical arena, then I assume the adequate experience would be medical school. Although I think most would agree neither know much about anesthesia. So what do they know? Well if you asked me who I wanted taking care of me I’d 100% say an ICU nurse with 2+ years of experience from a level 1 trauma hospital (average crna applicant) over a new grad medical student. So what it comes down to is a 4 year residency 1 year being non-clinical vs. a 3 year program where depending on the school you have 2-2.5 years of clinical rotations (some schools start rotations late second semester). Additionally, I think most would agree that your fourth year of residency is mostly slave labor and much of your learning is complete. So I would say the training is relatively comparable. I would agree that the 4 year residency is probably slightly more comprehensive. However, there are some additional factors. One being quality of residency. There are many residencies at middle of no where hospitals where you are simply not going to be trained as well as say a Duke University CRNA. Further, as “inferior” as nursing is you do learn some pretty handy skills…. Perhaps vascular access… not sure if anyone agrees but I’d say that’s a pretty important tool in anesthesia. A provider being able to do his own lines at any moment without hesitation is useful. I don’t really care what you call anyone. Call them captain dumb dumb for all I care, but that reflects more about you than them. There’s room and a need in the medical field for everyone. If Bolt wants to be called Dr. Bolt who CARES…. Honestly it’s easier and less confusing than CRNA Bolt or Anesthesia Provider Bolt. Why does it matter? Is it because he’s less of a clinician…? I’d say less than who…? Point out one thing a CRNA is not trained on in anesthesia?
Thank you for giving such a fleshed out and logical response.
Thanks man! Great info! You’re a awesome CRNA! I can’t wait to start Donating to the Anesthesiologist Foundation in June since It was hard for me to go to college to be a Anesthesiologist after I graduated high school in 08 because of my cerebral palsy , I have had 14 surgeries because of my cerebral palsy I’m 31 from Memphis, do you like hocking loogies? I do it’s a guy thing lol! I love your Tesla! I just check out a red Tesla model 3 yesterday, I love it
Medical doctors should just be called MDs imo. There’s hundreds of different types of doctors out there and I ONLY see MDs complain about ONE specific type being called “Dr.” I think “MD so and so” would work and would specify which type since they want a specific title that differentiates them from other types of doctors (nurses only really).
@@WanTahn The medical setting doesn't obviate a degree or title. Educating patients and the general public is key to combatting misinformation. CRNAs and other advanced practice providers can be as competent as their physician colleagues in delivering the necessary care. I recommend you educate yourself more on this matter.
I missed your face 🥰❤️
Ps. Cool channel. I subscribed! :)
Awesome thank you!
Thank you for having this conversation!
You got it.
Thanks for your support of APRNs, Dr. Bolt.
I’m always in support of all team members and their earned education and training.
I’m an RN, no advanced degree, but I just started at a new job and I have been very uncomfortable with the fact that CNAs at the new place that I work are frequently referred to as “nurses” by administrative staff when talking to patients. I know the administrative staff who do this mean no harm and just don’t know any better but it just feels misleading to tell a patient that a nurse will be seeing them when they’re actually seen by a CNA. I’ve been wanting to ask management to clarify with administrative staff that misrepresenting the credentials of healthcare staff should be avoided but since I am new I’m not sure if it would lead to me being seen as thinking I am better than CNAs. We don’t wear name tags with our titles and I have never heard a CNA correct the administrative staff.
Nurse is a specific licensed and protected title in America.
I don’t even see how the other nurses let them get away with that honestly lol. The nurses where I am would have an absolute fit abt this.
The hospital I work at has different positions wearing different scrub colors. RNs wearing black, PT wears blue, LPNs wear purple, HUCs wear grey, imaging wear dark blue, CNA wear a Maroon, Lab wears blue lab coats. Admin wear business causal, Providers wear whatever they want depending on their specialty.
Cna are nurses too just a different level of nursing bc I know you had to do cna work in nursing school so yes they are nurse just on a different level
@@BoltCRNA so is anesthesiologist in many states. I think the bigger question is why? Should we care if a CNA is referred to as nurse, or a CRNA as an anesthesiologist? And if we decide yes, then let’s apply the same rule across the board.
I would say, say you're a doctor to friends, family, strangers pretty much anywhere except in the hospital in front of MDs. If a doctor in education or chemistry can proudly call themselves doctor than should advanced practice nurses.
I agree, however i disagree that setting is relevant to the fact that he is a Doctor. It is a fact. It's an actual fact in a court of law. If it's a fact in a court of law, it's acceptable anywhere.
@@DaneZ28 I'm not saying that setting changes the fact that one is a doctor. Just that in medical field, doctor traditionally refers to MDs that completed a certain amount of education which advanced practice nurses do not. I guess I'm just mindful of that and wouldn't portray myself as professionally equal to someone who is more qualified than me when standing in front of them. It would irritate me a little if i were in their shoes and when you're working in a group with bunch of MDs with high egos, it might not bode well for you. However if I'm working alone with a patient and everyone else I would still call myself a doctor. That's just me.
The thing I hate most about mds - after their arrogance - is when they come in and call themselves Dr. X but they presume to call me by my first name. If you want to be Dr X then I am Ms or Dr /x to them - screw their power play
Asking people what they want to be called is a way around that.
Weird take.
Well said, Dr. Bolt
Well said!!