People living there were complaining for years about that building. Was completely ignored so isn’t hard to figure out who’s to blame is it? That council couldn’t give two F’s about any concerns leading up to this fire. A high rise recently went on fire near me and my friend with tones of health issues was right above it. Nothing worked ,sprinkler systems never worked either. Luckily people were awake at the time. Even more lucky that it didn’t have that cladding.
A squiggly line by the looks of it they need to do some serious detective work to find who's he most to blame and that's maybe the best they might get.
worked on the buildings all my working life, people to blame should be Building Control and whoever signed the papers to say building complete and safe.
What part of the construction industry. Are you qualified to make such a statement. The fire we were told was caused by an exploding propane bottle in the flats used for cooking. Not smart. OK, the fire service were wrong for advising people to stay in their flats. People are talking about the spread of fire. Not what caused it
@@Peter-sl6mf bricklayer all my life retired now,those materials used on this building should never have been approved so who gave the ok for these to be used. ok agree with u about propane gas bottle but using unsafe building materials.
@Peter-sl6mf not true the fire was started by a faulty fridge which the inquiry stated was almost certainly a manufacturer's fault. The manufacturer then tried to claim the fire was started by someone flicking a cigarette into the flat from the street....the flat was on the fourth floor.
Perhaps if every public service had not been sold off by Conservative governments to their cronies and donors, the chain of responsibility would be a lot clearer and regulations would be enforced.
WHILST THEY ARE IT, how about Post office villains, NHS blood criminals, Water Barons, Children's home abusers etc etc, some of these b'star*s must be due some jail time.!!!!
The poor people who can't get out of the death trap they are living in because they can't sell their flats because of the death trap they are living in.
Rather than take money from Vulnerable low-income pensioners or disabled people, why not reduce the foreign aid budget in response to the 22 Billion black hole!
Yep, what state was the kitchen in that a serious fire could be started by a refrigerator? And how was it possible that the fire brigade couldn't simply extinguish it?
only the person wasn't negligent. It was an electrical problem within the structure itself and they were made aware of it by many tenants over a number of years. Nice try at blaming the victim, but very low of you. Still, that's the British way.
@@MsCharlieBrown78 We need to be honest - across the board. Nobody remembers the occupancy levels in that tower block and the issue of many being there who shouldn't have been. I am all for getting the truth out there - and I also think the slimy local authority leaders, who have moved onto other highly-paid jobs (i.e: they don't give a f*ck), along with the people involved with the contractors, should be held accountable. However, let's see the truth of everything - no political correctness or ideological BS. Tell us the whole truth, and forget about "offending" people.
@@Mike-tb5gj that's just it though.. the media spun the lies of people being there when they shouldn't have been. I'll never forget them trying to vilify the victims by claiming they were 'illegals'. All the victims who died lived in those apartments for years, and some had family members staying over. Having relatives staying over isn't and has never been a crime. But to top it off, the press then gaslit the public into hating the survivors because they needed homes to live in after. Their narrative was to express outrage that their temporary accommodation is being paid for by us. And boy did it work! The public eyes were off the real offenders and firmly on the innocent ones. Had this been a block of flats with just caucasian people, I know publics perception and the media narrative would have been far different. Whether you like it or not, we can't ignore it.
So the pay rise for pensions went up with inflation but had Woking people can’t have a pay rise 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. The unions are getting there members a pay rise less then inflation so y got at train drivers.
Of course, the deaths could have been avoided. The contractor refurbishing it cheaped out after floor 5, as 4 or 5 floors didn't burn up like the rest of the building. 999 frire service switchroom shouldn't have said stay in place for so long, 10 minutes after the fire you coud see it was going up like a tinderbox live on bbc and sky news.
All the elements shown in the illustration seems confusing visually but somehow designed as a whole can then specifically work in such a way that as each part can be blamed for its own part in what ultimately happens, it can pass on the responsibility to the next part in the chain and move it along. When it is in full swing it becomes impossible to highlight one central figure of blame. I think the government is able to visualise this system and use it and could be using it today in other areas and know that there is a chance of a tragedy in the future and this system can prevent anyone ever being blamed or imprisoned or fined for their own part. It seems the whole system is designed to dilute the blame and responsibility so if anything happens in the future everyone can get away with their own small part they play in the system. Example: I only made it so passed it onto.... we installed it but....they tested it, but we only filled out the paperwork so..... pass on the blame.
It's incredible that a building burned in the capital of England and no English people were hurt. Our Natives who are poor perished on the streets suffering from hypothermia.
What about the fire crews telling people to stay put, while the building was burning down? Unforgiveable. They told people to stay where they were, while fire ripped through that tower. Shocking!
Apparently that was a standard procedure. They tell anyone to stay indoors if their room isn't affected. The problem was they didn't know that combustible material was used in cladding.
@@MsCharlieBrown78 I live fairly nearby, so watched the Grenfell fire unfolding on Snapchat and it was very obvious that the cladding was highly combustible because the tower went up faster than a bonfire. Telling people to stay in their homes was clearly the wrong decision, as many people said at the time.
@@ajdo1991 that must have been horrendous to see. Apparently the plastic used in the cladding was made of hardened petrol and another material which gave off cyanide as it burned. It's unreal. Who on earth gave them the pass to put it up!!
(This is a question, not an assertion); I remember hearing the guy who's appliance started the fire; carried on trying to empty his belongings for a good while before alerting other residents. True/false?
People living there were complaining for years about that building. Was completely ignored so isn’t hard to figure out who’s to blame is it?
That council couldn’t give two F’s about any concerns leading up to this fire.
A high rise recently went on fire near me and my friend with tones of health issues was right above it. Nothing worked ,sprinkler systems never worked either. Luckily people were awake at the time.
Even more lucky that it didn’t have that cladding.
So who is going to prison?
Who do you think,,,,,nobody🤬
@@GG-ml3vr I know sad.
A squiggly line by the looks of it they need to do some serious detective work to find who's he most to blame and that's maybe the best they might get.
worked on the buildings all my working life, people to blame should be Building Control and whoever signed the papers to say building complete and safe.
What part of the construction industry. Are you qualified to make such a statement. The fire we were told was caused by an exploding propane bottle in the flats used for cooking. Not smart.
OK, the fire service were wrong for advising people to stay in their flats. People are talking about the spread of fire. Not what caused it
@@Peter-sl6mf bricklayer all my life retired now,those materials used on this building should never have been approved so who gave the ok for these to be used.
ok agree with u about propane gas bottle but using unsafe building materials.
@Peter-sl6mf not true the fire was started by a faulty fridge which the inquiry stated was almost certainly a manufacturer's fault. The manufacturer then tried to claim the fire was started by someone flicking a cigarette into the flat from the street....the flat was on the fourth floor.
Let’s get a couple of failed MPs on, why not ask Liz Truss what she thinks too!
Exactly why are they always on TV & radio now
Exactly 💯 %
Perhaps if every public service had not been sold off by Conservative governments to their cronies and donors, the chain of responsibility would be a lot clearer and regulations would be enforced.
On today’s show we have…… guess who????? 😮
Failed MPs
Labour cast off's
Just another bunch of corporate criminals
WHILST THEY ARE IT, how about Post office villains, NHS blood criminals, Water Barons, Children's home abusers etc etc, some of these b'star*s must be due some jail time.!!!!
No chance protected types
Wasn’t that obvious from the start of the investigation?✌🏼❤️
The poor people who can't get out of the death trap they are living in because they can't sell their flats because of the death trap they are living in.
Rather than take money from Vulnerable low-income pensioners or disabled people, why not reduce the foreign aid budget in response to the 22 Billion black hole!
Do they want justice or compo?
Good question
Lots of reflection. Some finger pointing. Words about honouring the dead. Then what? Absolutely nothing. The same as always.
Not even a whisper of the idea of blaming the person who's negligence started the fire.
Yep, what state was the kitchen in that a serious fire could be started by a refrigerator?
And how was it possible that the fire brigade couldn't simply extinguish it?
only the person wasn't negligent. It was an electrical problem within the structure itself and they were made aware of it by many tenants over a number of years. Nice try at blaming the victim, but very low of you. Still, that's the British way.
@MsCharlieBrown78 Just more proof the whole thing is left wing hated of native British.
@@MsCharlieBrown78 We need to be honest - across the board. Nobody remembers the occupancy levels in that tower block and the issue of many being there who shouldn't have been.
I am all for getting the truth out there - and I also think the slimy local authority leaders, who have moved onto other highly-paid jobs (i.e: they don't give a f*ck), along with the people involved with the contractors, should be held accountable.
However, let's see the truth of everything - no political correctness or ideological BS. Tell us the whole truth, and forget about "offending" people.
@@Mike-tb5gj that's just it though.. the media spun the lies of people being there when they shouldn't have been. I'll never forget them trying to vilify the victims by claiming they were 'illegals'. All the victims who died lived in those apartments for years, and some had family members staying over. Having relatives staying over isn't and has never been a crime. But to top it off, the press then gaslit the public into hating the survivors because they needed homes to live in after. Their narrative was to express outrage that their temporary accommodation is being paid for by us. And boy did it work! The public eyes were off the real offenders and firmly on the innocent ones. Had this been a block of flats with just caucasian people, I know publics perception and the media narrative would have been far different. Whether you like it or not, we can't ignore it.
THE FAMILIES WANT TO KNOW WHO IS GOING TO JAIL FOR THIS
No one is going to jail
Who started the fire in the first place
Why has gmb become a rescue home for old failed politicians??? Unwatchable
Building should have been left uncovered as a warning about property prices over lives.
Why have you got two has beens on the show ??
THE privatisation of the Building Control Inspectorate is at the root of this. A ‘small’ State comes with consequences!! !
we didn't see the books:...is not the question when u have asked the national audit office
So the pay rise for pensions went up with inflation but had Woking people can’t have a pay rise 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️. The unions are getting there members a pay rise less then inflation so y got at train drivers.
assume nothing, belive nothing, challenge everything
typical of Govermints
Cameron and Boris have some explaining to do, but they won't.
they had their finest hour, hoodwinking...
Why is Kwarteng being a paid commentator when he should be in court for criminal mismanagement with the rest of the last government?
Of course, the deaths could have been avoided. The contractor refurbishing it cheaped out after floor 5, as 4 or 5 floors didn't burn up like the rest of the building. 999 frire service switchroom shouldn't have said stay in place for so long, 10 minutes after the fire you coud see it was going up like a tinderbox live on bbc and sky news.
and ainsworth did jack nothing
lol
All the elements shown in the illustration seems confusing visually but somehow designed as a whole can then specifically work in such a way that as each part can be blamed for its own part in what ultimately happens, it can pass on the responsibility to the next part in the chain and move it along. When it is in full swing it becomes impossible to highlight one central figure of blame. I think the government is able to visualise this system and use it and could be using it today in other areas and know that there is a chance of a tragedy in the future and this system can prevent anyone ever being blamed or imprisoned or fined for their own part. It seems the whole system is designed to dilute the blame and responsibility so if anything happens in the future everyone can get away with their own small part they play in the system. Example: I only made it so passed it onto.... we installed it but....they tested it, but we only filled out the paperwork so..... pass on the blame.
Excuse, excuses, still just passing the buck. I will happen again, just listen to this BS.
the thing is that labour did nothing, well, u had the time, and the chance
like a divorce nisi, this is a no-holds barred...no well it wasn't me guv...
never mind that germany want rwanda for themselves....
under who's watch?
It's incredible that a building burned in the capital of England and no English people were hurt.
Our Natives who are poor perished on the streets suffering from hypothermia.
What about the fire crews telling people to stay put, while the building was burning down? Unforgiveable. They told people to stay where they were, while fire ripped through that tower. Shocking!
Apparently that was a standard procedure. They tell anyone to stay indoors if their room isn't affected. The problem was they didn't know that combustible material was used in cladding.
@@MsCharlieBrown78 I live fairly nearby, so watched the Grenfell fire unfolding on Snapchat and it was very obvious that the cladding was highly combustible because the tower went up faster than a bonfire. Telling people to stay in their homes was clearly the wrong decision, as many people said at the time.
@@ajdo1991 that must have been horrendous to see. Apparently the plastic used in the cladding was made of hardened petrol and another material which gave off cyanide as it burned. It's unreal. Who on earth gave them the pass to put it up!!
People need to stop blaming everyone else, get a grip people stop relaying on others to sort out YOUR housing problems
(This is a question, not an assertion); I remember hearing the guy who's appliance started the fire; carried on trying to empty his belongings for a good while before alerting other residents. True/false?