How Social Media Exploits Creators with Taylor Lorenz - Factually! - 240
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- Опубликовано: 9 сен 2024
- Social media is just media now. It has irreversibly changed how we engage with our world, yet it is often disregarded as frivolous. The dismissal of social media can be dangerous, as it minimizes not just the benefits but the dangers of our current media landscape. This week Adam is joined by Taylor Lorenz, an internet expert and author of "Extremely Online: The Untold Story of Fame, Influence, and Power on the Internet," to track the evolution of social media, from the birth of mommy bloggers to the current crisis of social platforms exploiting their audiences for free labor. Find Taylor's book at factuallypod.com/books
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One of the problems is that social media promotes pretty and youth participation and privilege, it leaves out everyone else under the bias that those groups are the only ones people are interested in.
quick answer, yes it is
this world makes me want to die more and more everyday, and one day probably soon, it will get to me. why are we here just to suffer while less than a percentage flourish to spite us? i dont get payed enough to pay my rent and i never asked to be born so solve that for me
Shit show media. 🤣💀🤣💀
Real talk does Patreon actually work?
“It’s a lottery economy… It’s mostly luck” Very well said.
Isn't it weird that, as a young millenial, I can look back at my time on internet and say something like, "Back in my day, we didn't have ads on social media and we were more focused in our communities than spreading political propaganda"?
didnt have ads? do you not recall the sides tops and bottom of every single website from back then?
@@Shiftarusthis might be true but ads and money didn’t drive everything. Net neutrality made it so. Things started getting really bad around 2016 when it died.
Only ad i count is Toms face every where 😅
Ya it is weird because that's nostalgia talking.
As an elder millennial, the ads were everywhere (banner ads specifically), they were just easier to ignore.
I think a big part of creator exploitation is just preferring lazy content. Like, you have people just reacting to videos getting crazy boosted by the algorithm for literally no effort, meanwhile you have people creating full on animated shows for free (with near cinema quality animation) who have to use patreon to get by because the algorithm refuses to boost them.
Reaction videos are some of my least favorite content. It's more prevalent during livestreams where creators read articles. It's less reaction and more reviewing paragraphs.
I agree. Sadly, I think you're being too generous by using the word "preferring" with reference to the consumer. It doesn't even get to that point because most people get locked into the default feed.
It's the same reason that search and browsing UX on streaming apps are garbage. Due to licensing fees and caching optimizations, it's cheaper for Netflix to show the same 50 options for 1,000,000 views each, then 1,000,000 options for 50 views each. So, the most basic and predictable your audience, the higher your margins. And if, over the long term, you can shape those tastes, then there's a definite incentive to shape your audience's taste towards the cheap and predictable.
It's the platforms' "preference", not the audience's.
it's why i usually prefer the reactions where they highlight the SAID reactions i wanted to see, followed up by discussions. the Fine Brothers really had that idea, even if thier trademark stunt was a bit uncouth, it encouraged other youtubers with professions hailing from medical and law schools provide valuable insight to their mini reaction series like Legal Eagle with the Ace Attorney anime. i had no interest in the game itself, but after his discussing the difference between IRL US justice system compared to... whatever the hell Ace Attorney has (it's not even based in their Japanese version of the justice system)... i got interested innit. but i let Sis play it for me and mom on the Switch while i read aaaaalllll the lines out loud. like we used to do. as a family. on PC games. before spoken dialogue was a thing.
...i'm old TTwTT
I would give so much money to people making these long, in-depth videos... but I make no money, lol. And I watch lazy shit too, but try to watch stuff like this, instead. BUT I MAKE NO MONEEEYEYEYEYEEY
Like sniperwolf? Good lighting, but other than that, crap but millions of viewers
"There's nazi's on the internet, how'd that happen?"
I actually remember having a conversation about white supremacists on the internet somewhere around 1995. A friend was telling me that after years of neo-nazism declining in America, it had starting going up again. The cause was that these people were finding each other on the internet, so it was easier to stay in contact, express their views to someone sympathetic, etc.
I remember I first was on the Internet in 2000, as a 13 year old. I existed purely on diaryland and livejournal and iirc and ICQ. I used a username that was a play on Snow White, as in the disney/fairy tale character. Because of that though, I was found by a nazi who thought it had something to do with race, and he started trying to recruit me to his world. There was a whole forum dedicated to it. There were hundreds there interacting and organizing. Luckily I realized that was not the path to go down and gtfo, but the fact people don't think these people are out there finding each other is mind-blowing to me. They certainly are! The Internet is the best resource for them to find each other, organize, and recruit others.
@@glitterinthegraveyard5469It's true. The internet is and has always been an inherently radicalizing force. People's worst vices were always held in secret in ye olden tymes because everyone else would shun them but thanks to the internet, even if 99% of humanity would despise you for what you believe, there are still millions of others who would encourage it.
That is sickening
On the bright side it has amplified the message and possible audience for Secular, Irreligious and Progressive views
One of the reasons Atheism is on the rise is because of the Internet
Ruby ridge and the debacle at the branch davidians played a much bigger role in fomenting nazis tho. The internet just let the alienated get invested
One reason I miss myspace was strictly for the way we could change our page and be creative with it. Great discussion.
It's so sad how corporate, bland, and homogeneous everything is now. Hell, even corporate styling has gotten much more drab. Every McDonald's in town is just a gray cube now.
Edit: come to think of it, every new house and apartment building is a gray cube as well.
I agree. I wish people can make their pages blingy and full of decorations instead of just a profile picture and banner
@@Daedalus117that’s probably going to be the dystopian future, identical buildings that only have different names on the front to make it identifiable🤔😏🙄
That and Xanga. I liked being able to force people to listen to whatever shitty sad music my 11 year old self found deep.
@@yoshisarethebomb yeah, you’re right, like Facebook is kinda boring because if it can’t have flying unicorns anywhere what’s there to look at, pictures of someone’s lunch? 🤔😏😊
Visual artists have been told for years that we need to constantly be posting content. Now suddenly a ton of tech companies, most notably Meta, has opted us in automatically to allow AI to scrape and train on our work. They even went so far as to act as if you could opt out of it, but everyone I know had their objections rejected. So now if we post art, we’re just giving AI more material to steal, but if we don’t, how does the work get seen? It’s an infuriating conundrum.
I just had one of my highest viewed videos yet.....and got hit with a strike for a video from over a month ago. It's like they know I'm growing and getting viewers and they don't want to pay me. I am sick of youtube exploiting all of us.
To sum this up: Greed ruins everything
What’s really messed up about social media, is how you are socially punished for not having it.
This is the only social media I am a part of, and proud of it. FB, gram, tok, none of it. Never. I don't care the consequences, this is all I can manage.
YT ads are getting absolutely grotesque without paying for premium. Barely able to watch a video or two per week.
@@_derpderp ublock origin extension, install it and watch your troubles melt away my fren
idc, life is so much better without it
@@_derpderpright? And how they are using AI to clone celebrities and whatnot. Fucking crazy shit
Social media is like an MLM. Those who joined early, made good money, some can still climb the ladder if they have the right support, but most will play to fail. Also, now it's all about getting as many people not to join as viewers, but as Creators, just like with MLMs its about getting more "salesreps" than actual customers
I don't think I've ever seen this expressed so succinctly! People still like to claim that it's all about hard work and talent, and if you just keep at it, you'll make it, and no one wants to acknowledge that social media is set up for the vast majority to fail.
as a writer / artist who's made a whopping $100 from my creative work in my entire life and never been viral or made anything with prestige, I think that Adams subconscious reluctance to let go of the prestige of legacy media has a lot to do with the fact that he achieved it back when it still DID have prestige.
"Adam Ruins Everything" was fantastic media especially for its time
I still remember my utter confusion after watching "the G word" when I found out that he's "just a comedian" and NOT involved in politics whatsoever.
It feels like such a WASTE of an absolutely BRILLIANT mind that I cannot support him with my vote...
Guess it will be another year(s) of non-participation since there is no one I can relate to running... 😭😭😭
I think the part he wanted to and should have vocalised better is that shows on legacy media creates boat load of jobs, highly specialised, unionised and well paid jobs. Lighting, staging, sound, costume, makeup, prop, the list goes on. I think people who get to be the face of those shows like Adam are so so lucky, they can transition to social media & still make a living being already well recognised. Where are the lighting technician, the mic guy, the dolly operator, electricians, the band members etc. going to go on social media? They literally have to throw away their highly valuable skills that took decades to develop away, and start again from scratch. I agree with Taylor that not everyone should be made to monetize themselves in social media, like the journalist friend she mentioned. We shouldn't have to or be forced to like this.
@@misersmakeup-nguoihatien2316 that is very true!! The infrastructure and its critical connections cannot be overstated or overlooked!
Is your praise of Adam and this comment also a joke or? I honestly can't tell what is and what isn't sarcasm anymore because clown world lol
It's funny and telling that all throughout this interview both Adam and Taylor have to constantly throw in caveats in the middle of their arguments re the Internet. Adam hates the Internet but knows he can't survive without it. Taylor loves the Internet but knows that it's an inherently fleeting place.
I expected to hear about creator exploitation only to realize how i was exploited as a content creator. Especially the "American Dream" idea they fed me.
This was fascinating, aside from discussing the 90s as the “olden days.” Going to break down and accept that aarp invite now…. just need to find a stamp. Yeesh!
and the "life starts at 40" thing is also bunk; i'm that exact age and all i'm getting is yet another health problem added to the list and i STILL dunno what to do with my life that won't get explicitly pulled from my tenuous grasp of happiness.
Ugh, I am a late 70's/early 80's kid and can relate too much.
'these fancy institutions respect you more if you do not respect them'
This is soooo much my experience with many prestigious organizations. And it was honestly pretty dissapointing when i first realized that: these guys aren't really screening for quality, they just think (correctly) that playing-hard-to-get is deeply interwoven with having privilege. And they are screening for privilige.
My grandfather is 101. He started freelancing in 1960 and retired as the Dir of public relations for the PNW division of the Army Corps of Engineers. The old school journalists are a different and dying breed, sadly. He is sad to see what has happened to grass roots local news organizations, and the blocking of access by paywalls.
Thanks for this! The discussion of early optimism really spoke to me. I was a 1990's tech utopian who saw web publishing as a global extension of the DIY zine culture I grew up on, so I taught myself HTML and found an ISP through an ad in an actual newspaper and started "blogging"--only blog wasn't even a word back in 1997 when I launched Picture of the Day. For anyone nostalgic for the old days and ways of Web v.1, I'm still plugging away at it in my own remote dusty corner of the internet. No ads, no tracking, no engagement--just pictures and stories as life unfolds. Also, it looks like ass on phones. It's purely a labor of love, link in my youtube profile... Thanks!
In still have the Zines I made, and collected in 1995
physical media forever! although my website is just more digital ephemera, i think of it as a book and have printed large chunks of it as zines and even hardback editions. @@psyberdelicxp6042
fantastic.
I saved myself 1500 dollars by going on RUclips to find a way to fix my washer AND dryer. 😂
Lazy journalism or race to be first are the problems we really see in the media
Care to point out any examples of your non statement?
I love you Adam! You are so Awesome! You continually impress me with how Real you are and how you continually take on important and sometimes difficult subjects. Then you have real conversations that help uplift those of us who care if we have a government/society with good systems, good protections, and a modicum of care for its people.
"teaching kids to be youtubers" "ages 6 to 12"
holy moly.
The creator situation is basically a mirror of the real world: 99% toiling in the mines, 1% ruling.
I'm over 30, and I have no interest in Tik Tok
Things were definitely a bit better when net neutrality existed. It wasn’t perfect, but the monetization and algorithms were not nearly this insidious. This is why money needs to be taken out of government so it can’t be used to ruin things that should be open and free like the internet. Companies should not have the pull they do. They are not people. That ruling needs to be reexamined and or thrown out.
The government is what used to enforce net neutrality
Wait what? US Government was pro-neutrality, it was the corporations that lobbied to break it. The government by the 90's had very little to do with building out of the internet so there isn't any money. Cable and copper phone lines were there. Government was why it was so free by setting some ground rules and protecting servers from user content. Neutrality being able to throttle your service selectively, nothing to do with monetization and algorithms. ugh
The FCC ruled that they would re-examine it as of this October!
I suspect I am about the same age as Adam give or take a year, so I also grew up with that late 90's/early 2000's online experience. I also got very good at web development and programming by "testing" the capabilities of early social media sites, so I garnered a very deep understanding of the lay of the land at the time. So I tend to be very critical of people speaking about early social media, as it always feels like they started their experience with facebook, or MAYBE as early as MySpace, but there was a good 4 or 5 years of wild west social media prior to MySpace that is largely forgotten. I mention all this to say that the guest he has on today, as well as Adam of course, have some of the clearest mental pictures of the landscape at the time that I can recall people covering, and my goodness was this a refreshing bit of audio to listen to. I hope others appreciate how rare it is nowadays to get two people together that know what they are speaking about when it comes to early online experiences and how that history has evolved.
I hear that youtube even takes basically 70% of revenue of superchats and such from the creators! Thats insane to take most of the money!
Just when I didn’t think I could get more sick to my stomach about this subject.
That doesn’t necessarily bother me, because I don’t know what the underlying costs are. If say, 50% of every dollar goes towards the underlying infrastructure, 20% is profit for the provider, and 30% goes to the creator, that’d be fair in my mind. If 20% goes towards infrastructure, 50% is profit for the provider, and 30% goes to the creator, then that’s unfair in my mind. Without knowing the split, I’m not going to get outraged.
@@matthewcreelman1347 none of it goes to any of it since YT is subsidized by the US government went counterfeits up as much as it wants. They take that to extract $$$ to try to keep inflation from printing down. This is why the IRS exists and taxation. When you print up fiat the issue that keep sit from being a pure money tree is inflation. Hence all these schemes are to prevent inflation... at least to reduce it's rate.
Social media: Technogists worked to gave everyone a voice, expecting a million brilliant responses and increasingly advanced social discourse -- and instead we were drowned by 100 billion misleading soundbites with increasing irrelevance. The end.
I hope you invite Taylor back, I really appreciated this discussion and I could listen to you two talk about social media and journalism for hours. This really got me thinking about how much platforms benefit from unpaid labor from creators without union protections.
Yeah, I have always avocated for business to be held responsible for all things they have their greasy palms in.
Ive wondered about creators on social media. Most of it is for profit. Either for the platform or for the creator themselves. If youre an official for profit media company you need permits for location shoots in cities and states, and you need permission and signed releases to use the image of anyone who happens to walk through the scene. But for profit social media creator can shoot anywhere without a permit and doesn't need permission or a release if people are in the shot.
Social media nowadays is mostly infomercials for profit. Traffic , clicks, views, sponsors = $. So really no different than what a professional media company does is to make a profit and recognition, as does what a social media creator does.
My gosh, she's so charismatic and clever.
That’s awesome! Taylor has been one of my fav internet writers for years. She’s incredible 🖤
I'd like an interview with Thomas Frank (the historian, not the youtuber), about "What liberals get wrong about the Left".
Adam you need someone from the music industry to expose the entire streaming economy that’s very similar to this.
Max Alper
Thank you for bringing up how important women were in the creation and explosion of internet culture; the narrative is often so focused on the tech bros that other key users can be ignored entirely
This spoke to how I've been feeling lately. Like, do I even visit websites anymore, should I start work on my site again, etc ..
Social media IS getting worse. Politics, ideology, business, different opinions and so on, will always become a factor of why social media keeps getting worse and unfortunately, it won't stop until something big happens, i can promise you that.
It's a viscous cycle of literal-who charisma voids "unique" assembly line built automata with no self-reflection...the very epitome of a gold-rush boom & bust of consumers...
chicken and the egg, "content creator" and the platform. Low-rent jobbers attempt to exploit not having real jobs out here for chicken scratch, and the platforms rightfully exploit them. "Social Media" gets worse because it was always about the commercialization, because humans exploit it for cheap & fast cash, on both ends, ending in a quagmire black hole of assembly lined content.
Everyone is somehow an "artist", or an "actor", or "singer", or "expert", or "podcaster"...or my favorite, a "comedian" or "journalist" or "writer"...in reality...it's absolutely great that they are exploited, because let's face it, it's not like they were going to accomplish anything else with their time like a better concrete formulae for roads and bridges, or impact society in any meaningful way. Those people are already out there doing it, not here making content.
It gives those who never could and never will, at least something to do. They choose to engage in the ways they do, they volunteer to be uninteresting and "of value", when they have no value and are not interesting enough to commercialize.
Basically, when you don't have much to offer and demand you are of value, someone much smarter than you, will exploit your self-delusion that you volunteered for, for the money you claim you are worth. When you walk into the casino, you roll the dice.
In other words...when these people made money, there wasn't a problem.
But now that they got to work for it and are losing money at the table...suddenly there's a problem. And the problem is NEVER that they are degenerate gamblers without real jobs.
Ponzi scammers joining up with the ponzi always scream loudest when the gravy train with biscuit wheels kick them off at the next stop because they don't produce product to panhandle that anyone wants to purchase.
You spelled misinformation wrong. And that's what the monied people want. So that's what it is. A body of critically illiterate conservative imbeciles is good for the bottom line of the ruling class.
Social media is irritating because EVERYTHING nowadays has to be political, hopefully just joking but not sure of this, at some point in the future someone will make a peanut butter and orange marmalade sandwich and someone else will get outraged and say “don’t you realize that’s unpatriotic, because my political party says so!” 🤔🙄😒jk
@@IndyAvocadoKidand then you have people listing unchangeable aspects of people as political and disgustingly outrageous.
Oh Adam.
You're always asking the right questions... 5 years later
When Twitter came out, I was working in IT at a media company. I remember the first time someone showed me Twitter, before it was popular, and I responded with "that's dumb". My opinion hasn't changed.
Taylor is one of the only people in mainstream media who is at all worth listening to on covid
I want to show this to my independant artist friend.
And comedy central has issues. But. Yeah.
Damn.
If you started with a cable modem you were a late adopter. Early adopters had 28.8k and 56k modems (or even slower before that).
It was so nice to hear mom bloggers get the credit! I was out there hitting the trade show floors telling brands what a blog was for years.
Very interesting talk, I gave a ride to an architect dealing with the same problem of the gig economy. They now hire these architects on a need basis instead of as a full time to a firm. So they were very worried about how to market/brand themselves.
Always something on my mind, just about capitalism. Why does a really good baker also need to either make enough money to hire a capitalist to manage it or learn this crazy other skill on top of their awesome skillset? The list goes on for just about every profession.
Fascinating interview, it covered so many things I have never heard anywhere else and really feel resonate with me.
Although, I don’t like that her ultimate goal is to be completely independent. And not imagining a format for digital journalism not built on hierarchy.
on the early internet: reading early social tech academic articles is such a weird experience.. they have so much hope, for the transformative and uplifting nature of the internet, but there's always this sense of doom hanging over them.
Its either a fault or maybe a subconscious drift on the part of Taylor, but in her argument against traditional media, she definitely did a better job at defending its merits for making life more sustainable and demonstrated that social media is the cause of our loss of this beneficial infrastructure.
Blogs were totally public diaries !
Thank you for this video because I worked full -time on a youtube channel and it was hard work and I was getting no where - and then youtube terminated my account for no good reason at all but I was happy they did because I felt like I was in Chinese slave labor. That is not a way to try to make money.
on this topic, one of my favourite concepts to point out is that in the tech industry, the people making these platforms with authority are predominantly men, and the content that populates those platforms and make far less money off it tend to be of, by or about women who are seen as just filler for the more worthwhile platforms architecture.
this is operating as expected, not an error. the idea 'without men programming these platforms, you and your content would be nothing' is a standard held in tech. the flipside (without content the platform is just a neat concept but no one is sticking around for an empty stage) is seen as arguing on the wrong side of the chicken/egg debate.
in essence, because folks who aren't men are gatekept from the platform-building part of social media, they're relegated to cashing in via their labour contribution in content posting, which (even for most of the biggest names on a platform) will earn less than the platform itself and in most cases, earns far less on average than even the entry level labour that is programming or testing the platform itself, who only have the position because of people posting (most of whom will make nothing from their content from the platform directly but multiply data goldmines by engaging other users).
this ofc isn't to say men aren't exploited but the ratio is skewed due to limitations of engagement on who can participate where in social media, and how they do so
You create meaningful content, and I agree that institutional stuff and "awards" are mostly BS. However, I think we should also keep in mind that atomization can (and has) created a lot of bubbles. _Some_ of that can actually be good, but it seems like most of it is not. [ ... some so and so with a new conspiracy theory and lots of lonely people with their own problems on the internet to watch it ... for example. ]
As you say, "resources" are something an institution offers. A large institution has some obligation to create content that is reliable and can be critiqued by peers. "Peer review" is not all it is cracked up to be, but advice and caveats are an important part of our personal growth, even when it is a bad experience.
Loved this episode. So happy for the shout out to Heather Armstrong she gave us so much.
I feel like I learned a lot from this episode because all of that discussion about old media, new media, social media, enlighten me with regard to resources, prestige, respectability, and paying workers.
I could absolutely see Adam hosting the Daily Show, he would be fantastic even if it was just a rotating spot! He'd make the most of it.
Nah, he makes everything and every interview a reflection of himself. He doesn't interview, he uses it to boost what he believes, and when it contradicts his personal views he becomes a little rude and overly defensive. Best example was the interview with the writer of the book about different generations.
Y'know Adam, I think a fake window would do wonders for your studio. 🤔
What an insightful talk. Great point about traditional content creation infrastructure being devalued.
If there is a company providing all features like RUclips, and ask creators’ monthly fees like utilities to cover the servers cost, engineers cost, etc. How much will content creators willing to pay? Knowing Google doesn’t charge a fee to star with.
Every time I see Adam Conover, I have memories of his first couple episodes that came out in 2015. Such good memories.👍
Streaming is our hobby cuz we want attention. My previous hobby was warhammer 40k. Which one REALLY cost me more?
When a few people at the top make a lot of money and then a bunch make pocket change and a bunch make zilch....isn't that a pyramid scheme? Why does the creator economy look like the MLM economy??
There is a little too much “only young people have valid opinions/truth.” As a Millenial, we have a lot of great ideas, but we are not always right about everything.
not our fault most over-50s are lead-poisoned fascists.
Corpos were able to survive long enough post Reagan to see the union forgotten and they are bleeding people dry.
The subtle dig at Kara Swisher was on point.
I had a blog in 2009. I finally started another one last year. But it turns out that blogging never _really_ went away
During my Get Out the Vote effort on college campuses in 2022, I had students hold up a VOTE sign to take pics with their camera...and then asked them to share it on their social media. What I discovered was that about 20% to 30% said they aren't on social media. So are younger people abandoning social media or were they blowing me off?
To be fair, on the tv vs online part: traditional tv - whether networks or cable - don't have the ressources they used to have. In Canada, since last summer, all the big traditional media players (CBC, Bell Media, TVA, Global and others) have announced thousands of job cuts, like permanent, stable unionized jobs in crew, journalism, admin, are disappearing because ad revenues are way down, because few people watch tv anymore. All the while, platforms like facebook are filled with content from tv, like you said, but they're not paying a cent back to the people who created that content. You're better off being an independant person in that landscape, at least you'll get paid - albeit pitifully - for your content. Meanwhile, no matter what we think about the quality of modern journalism, a world with no journalism at all is a scary thought!
The Daily Show with Adam Conover sounds very appealing though.
This is my favorite hour of youtube I've watched all year, 💯s across the board
I’d love to see you talk to a sex worker about social media. Current social media is just repackaged stuff sex workers have been doing for years.
This was awesome! I was born in 1983 and have been actively with computers and the internet as they have developed, so I have seen this poopshow called social media develop step by step. Since only objective truth and humanism are the highest values I see in the world, I saw the warning signs as misinformation, exploitation and semi-anonymous monstrosities of people started crawling into Facebook and other basically unavoidable platforms and I was horrified. Fortunately there’s some glimmer of light as most of the people posting inhumane comments and comment aren’t actually such monsters in real life and can feel remorse if they have to interact face-to-face with another person.
Twitch is a lottery with extra steps.
Thought provoking content with a unique point of view and analysis of media evolution. Being +60, I'm very guilty of putting more value on traditional media outlets and institutions. Great observations on the quality and resources issues of independent content production. Only disappointment is that you didn't touch on burgeoning content collectives like Nebula, though Taylor dis get in some closing mentions of journalist collectives.
That was amazing 🤘
I think about this a lot.
The "lottery economy" is a term I'm filing away for future use! Really enjoyed this discussion as someone who has been putting in some time and effort as a content creator recently. I'm very niche and never expected to go viral, but I was a little bit sold on the notion that it could be a way to make a living when the reality is as you both said...it's a way to make some pocket change and really should function as a part of your overall business/output/brand, not the end all be all.
that part really stood out to me as well, it quite literally is the luck of being at the right place at the right time on the right platforms
bezos happened to start a business selling books online when the internet was a brand new baby and then managed to expand to what he is today because there was no real competition back then, he made enough to expand to selling more than just books and now has a near monopoly on online retail sales
early RUclipsrs as well, like channels who started out doing early let’s play content before it became as saturated as it is now, if you started uploading early playthroughs during the 2010s and had an interesting enough personality you are likely to have a huge following now that allowed you to essentially retire early, game grumps and markiplier come to mind
it is quite literally just luck of the draw of when and where someone starts initiating their “brand” while the rest of us have to get by on manual labor
@@debutchi Yeah, timing can be a huge factor in any world, for sure. Similar to the gaming world, I feel like there were a lot of RUclips musicians who blew up in the 2010s and I don't think that kind of success is replicable now, because in addition to being saturated, it's just not the same kind of platform anymore.
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"We have this crisis of trust which I think is a bummer because it ends up affecting the whole of journalism..."
"Yeah, when journalists are still fulfilling a completely necessary role in our society... as the people who discover the facts..."
IMO, from a UK (Left) perspective, that crisis of trust is well deserved.
Between 2016 and 2019, we had non-stop attacks against the leader of one of the two main parties, from pretty much the whole of mainstream media, "Left" and Right (with a few notable exceptions). Ill-founded attacks were front-page news, day after day. Meanwhile, on too many significant issues (climate crisis, COVID, immigration), journalists seem to believe that their job is to present both sides, rather than check which is correct. Plus, you know, the whole thing of hacking into the voicemail messages of murder victims.
feeding the algo. heres my comment. nice work
Great video
I largely agree, but honestly it also depends what you call a "creator", so many social media personalities are simply banal hucksters pitching us nonsense to fill their own pockets with misbegotten wealth - disturbingly off the back of works by actual "creators"...
Funny she doesn’t mention she herself isn’t on Substack.
whenever people talk about tumblr as if it's dead i'm out here like. i live there???
The only social media I have is RUclips. I miss extended family gatherings bc they’re all announced on various medias. It’s pretty crazy. 😂
How do I support these folks If I make no money?
Seriously. I want to support the little guys!
make sure you turn off adblock if your using it.
@46:13 RIP Olde English 🥂
The biggest difference between any two instagram accounts is how many followers they have, which is exactly why it works for advertising, and why it works within the context of the American opportunity myth. Great podcast.
I like Adam but covering TikTok without mentioning that the actual owners(CCP) use a very different algorithm in their home market product which is a lot less societally corrosive feels very "fair and balanced".
1:00:05 I noticed the NYT podcast “The Daily” is on YT, hours before it airs on NPR, yet it barely gets any views on YT, despite being a popular radio broadcasted podcast with - I presume - well paid hosts. So why is money flowing in a way that’s misaligned with demand? Is it only because the quality of the content suffers on YT? Maybe? So why don’t tech companies provide the resources to fund content improvement, and build income for its content creators?
Great discussion! Thank you!
I'm just tired of journalists calling Democrats "the Left".
Beauty and Brains!!!! Taylor is cool too...😁
Yes, it most OBVIOUSLY is.
If she doesn't mention Neil Postman...
I'm not impressed...
What kind of deregulation is going to make Facebook and google competitors?
In response to the first segment about 'mommy bloggers' not being respected. There are modern examples of this, and there are legitimate concerns. I haven't watched teh particular type of content that they are talking about but now adays you see rampant child abuse with these family channels. Outside of that there is a question of consent. Is it okay to broadcast children without their consent, can they even consent to their parents? Isn't there a huge conflict of interest?
Adam for president of California 2024!!!
Ah capitalism
Now i am drowning in e-clutter and data. Who's gonna deal wth it when i am dead?
I see all media as being social. including the spoken word.Even going back to before Gutenberg.
Considering what just happened to JoCat, yeah I'd say it's getting worse.
"!Uh, BUT... FACTS DON'T MATTER!"