American First Time Seeing The Absolute INSANITY of Group B Rally
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- The Absolute INSANITY of Group B Rally
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During the group B era, there were 500 000 of my country men in the forests watching rally, it was 10% of our total population. (Finland)
The Finnish!!!! Best drivers on the planet!!!!!
In Greece, during the glory days of the old Acropolis rally, the TV stations would put out PSA's saying: "Please do not try to race the race cars as they go from one stage to the other". Especially around the Anavissos area a lot of boy racers tried to compete with the WRC crews.
it was also the era where wildlife was much endangered and driven out of the forests i imagine :)
@@zoolkhan The sound of a rally car usually did that, I dont remember anyother hit, except car on full speed to a girl who was crossing the road , and Bruno Thierry hit her.
@@mhh7544 thats exactly what i talk about, the incredible noise and disregard for nature.
We take for granted in finland, what other countries have long lost. An intact nature.
Here are a few quotes from Walter Röhrl (rally and Groupe B legend):
- “A car is only fast enough when you stand in front of it in the morning and are afraid to unlock it.”
- “Good drivers have fly remains on their side windows.”
- “When you accelerate, the tears of emotion must flow horizontally towards your ears.”
- “You could put a trained monkey in an Audi quattro and it would win too!”
- “When you get to my age, driving in the dark isn’t so much fun anymore because you can’t see anything at night. I’ve often thought recently that I could actually still drive in the world championship because they only drive during the day, those wimps!”
- “Drifting is the art of keeping an unstable state stable.”
- “For me, driving begins when I steer the car with the accelerator pedal instead of the steering wheel. Everything else means 'just doing the work'."
- "If you see the tree you're driving into, you're understeering. If you just hear it, you're oversteering."
- "I'd hang myself before driving a Smart."
Livery not DElivery
came here just to say that. LIVERY.
Thank you. I wanted to say this but felt I might be nitpicking.
one more comment is one more comment. these people know this.
@@cimjohansson4878 Nah, I don't think you can generalise it like this. I think some people are just uneducated. Especially some influencers and content creators.
Walter Röhrl is an absolute legend. He's a test driver for Porsche now (mostly as a hobby), but he still doesn't care much about PR-Strategies and has put his own employer on absolute blast for ideas he found stupid.
He's also famous for quotes like "if you walk up to the car you aren't scared you got the wrong car".
He also CHEATED when driving the Lancia Stratos ... replacing the HEAVY roll cage with a LIGHT mockup that just looked like it.
@@Muck006 skirting the rules by his team owner more or less, watch the grand tour/top gear 'documentary' on it.
@@Muck006 that was lancias decision though
@@Muck006 meh, that's racing, if you ain't cheating, you ain't winning.
Rally during the 80s and early 90s in Portugal was nuts.
Who made the documentary video fapped the Audi Quattro so much but he didn't talked a single word about Lancia, that was and still is the true Rally alltime winner.
- The Lancia 037 was the only RWD capable to defeat the Audi 4WD and win the WRC.
- The absolute Monster of the Gr.B wasn't the T16 but the Lancia Delta S4 (670hp supercharged/turbocharged without any turbo lag) it lost vs the T16 due FIA political games, Peugeot was disqualified in some rallies due illegal skirts but then they was reammitted (Balestre was French, Peugeot also was).
This guy on documentary cited the Gr.A as if the Subaru and Mitsubishi was the Stars, but the real Star was the Lancia Delta Integrale. 5 time WRC consecutive winner and still after so many years holding that record. Rigtly called "The Queen of Rally".
20 years ago, a local sports car dealer in his window had a Lancia Delta HF Integrale. I drooled.
Stratos was built in 500 mandatory units in order to compete in Group4, which was the precursor of GrB
A production touring car with at least 2500 identical units manufactured must be homologated in Group A, with all the components and changes that make it a Group Rally4 car homologated in an extension
also the FIA said the 200 cars need to be sold but didn't specify who those cars must sold to. so most manufacturers sold their 200 cars to their own CEO's and executives and buy them back as soon as they cleared the regulations. Chop them and used the parts for actual cars that were racing. Some manufacturers sold those cars to public like Renault 5 Turbo and those cars nearly killed %80 of the buyers because they were so light and powerfull. thats why nowadays those cars are so rare and expensive. Most of them burned to ashes in some french or italian ditch along with their owners.
None of these deathtraps had any of our modern electronic drivin aids or such pussifications as ABS adding unnecessary weight, just a tubular-steel frame and seatbelts.
Iam Portuguese and i can confirm we are crazy stupid for rally cars 😅
Santinho 😅
@@AndreSilva-cq6eo 😁
"Porsche getting inspiration" ... is a great joke. That silly car has looked the same for DECADES.
Name another car that won the Paris Dakar rally and it's class at Le Mans.
FIA: yeah we're getting faster
Group B: hold my cocaine and absinth...
Hands-down funniest version of this "quotation" so far😝
Peugeot 205 Turbo 16 E2, Renault 5 Turbo, Ford RS200, Lancia 037, Opel Manta 400, Lancia Delta, legends, all legends.
Fun fact about the Lancia 037: They built only a 100 cars.
Parked those in a holding lot, invited the officials to count, took them for lunch, and then showed them the other 100 cars at a different location nearby.
During lunchbreak Lancia employees did a lot of driving across town...
My guess on why the co-driver usually survives is because they don't have a steering colum going through their chest.
As a big rally fan myself I CAN'T STAND these airheaded idiots that stand in the middle of the road almost getting hit risking the lives of themselves the driver and every other viewer. I just wish they get a lifetime ban from ever showing up to another WRC if you're dumb enough to block the road while a car is screaming towards you at 60+ MPH.
No not 60+ Mucks Per Hour 160+ KPH...
The car in minute 15 was an Audi prototype for Group S. It had the same power as the Audi S1 but was much lighter. There was only one build and it is parked somewhere in Germany in the secret Audi Tradition Garage along with other legendary Audis.
All hail the mighty Quattro 🙇🏻
Yeah but no mention of the Lancia Delta S4.
@@arconeagain the what?
ive had the rare chance to have a ride in an original group b audi quattro that my stepdad was restoring. sadly it became to expensive to continue and he sold it to a private museum in germany.
Lancia Delta S4 and Lancia 037:
So mighty that it lost vs a RWD like the Lancia 037. And when Lancia did the Delta S4, the Quattro was ubcapable to compete anymore.
Group B was the Ultimate , even F1 Drivers would shit their Pants by drive as Passenger ... this Guys where the out of the World ' Big Balls Heros '
group b was TT Isle of man but for cars.
Henri Toivonen did some tarmac testing of the Delta S4 on a track also used by F1. His best lap time would have qualified him 6th or 7th for that year's F1 race.
..tickets???? There are no tickets !!! The guy who made video is american for sure.. Peugeot had engine in front..what was in middle of car was gearbox and transmission.. Rally is free to go and espectate.. Take food, beer and watch.. AUDI had best sound ever !
well at least in finland it is, who knows how it is in other places down south
@@zoolkhan same !
Actually the T16 group B is mid-engined, similar to the Renault 5 Turbo.
@@Happymali10 ..You are confused.. they're front engined.. You're confusing gearbox placement..
@@ROBOTRIX_eu You are confused. All the 205 have a front engine, except the group B 205 turbo T16 Evo2.
“Livery”
Loke i said in a comment in Instagram: even if the spectators were safe and controlled, group B would still be banned, cars got to fast and too powerful and there were no safety features. If the FIA listened to the pilots complaints, Group B would still be around and the car engenering sector would be way nore advanced.
Apart from what the narrator said about the Audi, the cars was always fighinting the pilot and it suffered from understeer, oversteer and understeer again. It was a delicate fight to keep it in control. If you look at the Peugeot T16 taking a corner and the Audi taking the same corner, you'll see the Audi plow through while the Peugeot just slides around it
I live near where they run rallys. Dotted around on the neighboring farms are garages with family and friends working on their rally cars getting ready for the next race weather in the neighborhood or Sweden or Finnland.
14:10 well for one thing, unlike the driver, passenger does not have a steering column that can go right through him in a head-on collision, so that helps
Colin McRae is someone you might want to look-up, he even had his own computer game or games named after him. Many know him more for his Scooby/Subaru years.
to say that group B never really went away is BS. that was a golden age and we watched it for the danger. same goes for F1. we wanted to see people die and at the same time hoped that no-one dies. bread and circus hasn't lost its meaning.
in the group B tribute video I just watched they say WRC is for boys group B was for Men....
Said by someone who knows WRC (4 time world champion).
The funny Bettle is a the Group S Prototype from Audi.
Group B was insane but the same time awesome and risky as a spectator or driver . I am glad it doesn,t exist anymore just because now days its way more safe . I am not glad for the entertainment that we miss because they stopped group B R.I.P group B 🙂
Fun fact : the actual safety director for Rally is Michèle Mouton, if you go to a rally and be at the wrong place you might see her come to schol you out.
Here in Portugal, the closer you get to the car passing, the cooler you were, the objective was basically try to touch the car. My father and uncle were just 200m from the Ford rs200 accident in Portugal
3:07 Americans got this idea too in earlier days of NASCAR. While in reality Stock Cars Racing was often stock in-name-only, they looked the part and that was enough. "Win in Sunday, Sell in Monday" as saying went.
I'm a 32 year old guy, love to watch cars and I am a pretty big gear head, but I would watch a movie about Michèle Mouton in a fucking heartbeat. Know about her about her and her achievements since my father talked about her and man, after watching some of her driving, her achievements, she was a beast.
Group B rally cars were insane, so much Power that they became dangerous, spectators were killed
Todays WRC 1 audience are driven into spectator zones. But off course theres a loads of roads. Ari returned 1987.
It’s sad it took all that to make changes. The same thing pretty much went down in NASCAR. Drivers died from its inception. Then, in 2001, we lost the man, the myth, the legend, Dale Earnhardt Sr. This was a man who drove like most of us played football. He drove hurt and banged up all the time. He saw his car still had 4 tires while they were loading him in an ambulance, said wait, went back and checked and the car started. So, he got back in drove it to the pit. And after about 10 rolls of duct tape he went back out. This was a car that had been upside down and hit cars and walls. Dude just loved driving and winning that much. But, we’re all mortal and he was gone ( 1 week after my first son was born ). That loss changed everything for NASCAR on that day. They changed damn near everything about the cars, the safety gear, and the tracks themselves. Out of our greatest loss came measures that has made the sport so much safer. Not just that form of racing, but all forms. Many of the safety devices are now used in every form of racing all over the globe. Since then, because of the intimidator and what his loss meant, there hasn’t been a single death in NASCAR since. That’s been 23 years ago now and still counting. The racing sucks now, because they ruined the cars, but people that love it love it. For me, when they took the actual shapes of the real cars made by the manufactures out of it, the magic was gone. Then the motors were based on the real car counterparts as well. Now, it’s one engine, and one car shape period. The only difference is the stickers they use for the headlights, taillights, and grill.
First thing that pop into the amarican mind. "How are they going to nickle and dime ppl?" 🤣🤣🤣
The RS200 is my "money no question" dream car.
I had a chemiistry teacher that drove his audi rally car to the school every day.
15:28 is a prototype that Audi made for the Group B, but was never used because FIA ended the Group B, Ken Block himself drove that car, it’s in his RUclips Chanel, RIP Ken ❤
Henry Toivonen was very sick due to an intense fever that day but has been pushed by his team to compete, and the lancias are known to be made with a rollcage of aluminium hollow tubes or... carboard !!!
God I would kill to see the group S in action
The first car poster i had on my bedroom wall was the Audi Quattro in the 80s
Porsche has a big history in rallying
Lots of European car brand such as Ferrari and Lamborghini, porche etc. All had a mentality that said, win on Sundays, sell on Mondays. That way of thinking was also later adopted by the Japanese at Toyota and Nissan.
Bro Porsche got that inspiration from Dakar rally.
8:30 this car (AUDI QUATTRO ) costs today more then 1M $....
Immagine how it cost the car that defeated the Quattro, the RWD Lancia 037...
You should check out the build series that Deboss Garage did. Took an Audi Quatro and did an LS swap with four turbos and kept it 4 wheel drive.
Another great watch is Travis Pastrana's two record breaking runs on the MT. Washington hill climb.
5:14 Welcome to 80's Portugal.
People were crazy back then.
@14:00 one of the reasons that is likely that the passenger would survive is because the driver would try to save the passenger during a crash and the position of the passenger's seat is Lower giving them more cover then driver . that's why during Dakar rally the co drivers are the worst for were then the drivers . hope this helps
Aluminium is actually too hard for a car. I dunno much about cars but my understanding is that the habitacle part of a car (despite still being somewhat flexible and bend) should be firm and resistant, but the frame of the car itself should be designed with shock-absorbent materials. The frame should be destroyed progressively (micro-seconds) in the case of an accident to absorb impact and not transfer that same energy into the vehicle occupants (that should be incased in a more resistant structure).
Modern cars do HAVE TO flex to a certain dagree in a case of an accident, it's called crumple zone.
you can't buy tickets for it, it's on a public road, or it has to be in a stadium with a certain route.
He missed one important thing regarding 4wd, it wasnt just a novelty and rare, it was straight up forbidden by FIA rules in rally, Audi had to have the FIA change the rules to allow 4wd for the quattro te be able to enter the competition in the first place.
The 200(500)(5000) cars sold is called humoligation. It was a thing in South Africa, Australia, Europe. In Australia and South Africa they were genuinely sold to the public. As Holden said “ win on Sunday, sell on Monday “
To simply compete in Group B you had to be completely out of your mind, simply because there was always the knowledge that even the smallest mistake would end in you appearing prepped for a beef stew.
Safety was no consideration what so ever in the construction of these cars.
Cars nowadays still have a hard time keeping up with these old rally legends. For example the Quattro you see here is still faster than a modern Audi RS3 😂👌🏻
5:52 I'll add 200 .... Maybe.... Considering that for the lancia S4 (both street legal and racing ones) , just 76 chassis numbers are known... They did an auction two years ago for an S4 driven by Toivonen starting from 3.6mil
ty for that reaction. group B was fire. todays race cars are much better. but racing grows.. W. Röhrl is one of the greatest Driver ever. watch out his IMSA, Nürburgring, Pikes Peak.. or what you want. enyoi it. ty for that reaction
not having the champ of group b is a crime
The video claims the 037 was only making a couple hundred horsepower.
That was in street trim.
Triple that for the racecar.
As with anything in life, when something takes a leap in evolution, it takes time to put systems in place to catch up. Both WRC and F1 had to evolve their systems for driver safety, spectator safety and medical response teams. Radio's, telemetry, improved crash structures, personal protective equipment and many other things we all take for granted in modern times, most of these came as a result of this era. It is now regulated that neither an F1 nor a WRC event can take place without a medical helicopter being able to fly. In the 1980's medical helicopters were barely even a thing, so to have a medical helicopter supporting your hometown is a gift that not many people even think about nowadays. It is only over the past few years that your cars GPS can automatically inform the authorities that you have been in a crash. This has been in F1 and the WRC for a few decades.
To watch group B live was astonishing and being an older guy, I was a mere youth when I saw my first group B rally in the UK in 1984. I have been hooked on the sport ever since. These are the best drivers in the world, no matter what Era they are driving in. Even the top F1 drivers acknowledge that.
Group B had to be witnessed live, and it was an absolute privilege to see the best drivers in the world in action at that time. The raw power and precision were something to behold, and it is only in recent years that the sport is back to where it was in 1986 but with significantly better systems and equipment.
Just to give you a small idea of the power of these things, I was at the back of a slow-moving traffic queue of around 10 vehicles. We were on the road travelling to watch the next stage of the RAC rally in Wales, UK. We were all stuck behind a guy towing a caravan. Walter Rohl came flying up behind me in the Audi quattro S1. He was also travelling to the next stage. There was a bit of straight road that nobody was brave enough to overtake the car and caravan. Walter Rohl pulled out and accelerated at an unbelievable rate and within 5 or 6 seconds he was disappearing around a bend at breakneck speed after overtaking everything. I have never seen anything like that on a public road in my life, either before or since that event. Incredible.
the driver is less likely to survive because he gets impaled by a steering column
Speaking from experince, a puncured lung would have been the least painful of those injuries, after being punctured would just feel the pain from the broke ribs. I didnt realise i punctured mine untill quite some time after, just thought a few ribs broke. Went to hospital because i thought i was having a heart attack. Was the eascaping air building up pressure in the chest cavity pushing my heart into the chest wall.
The Audi Quattro of Group B basically brought 4 wheel drive into the general car population, because people kept asking for it. Otherwise 4 wheel drive would have stayed an absolute exception for special vehicles and the military.
Whoever made that clip, didn't get the numbers right. The Group B cars, of which almost all were turbo or compressor charged (or both), except the Opel Manta 400 (if memory serves me right), were pushing close to 600 hp, depending on stage.
The Opel Ascona was already used as race car.
It was an early adopter of Group B by raising the power.
Not a new design like the "monsters" of Group B.
It's often forgotten, while Röhrl won drivers championchip in it.
Manta 400 was later added - it's the same plattform just a coupe instead of a saloon.
Besides the Opels there were some other cars without turbo.
Nissan 240RS, Škoda 136 LR, Lada VFTS, even the BMW M1 was used.
I think the '86 quattro was 450 hp when the engine was delivered from the factory to the race team, then it was tuned to 600-650hp.
Used to be, we didn't need any Fast and Furious movie, we could just turn on the TV and watch rally races. Funniest thing I remember is how car manufacturers would advertise their shittiest car based on the notion that when they put a million bucks' worth of upgrades in it, it could win a race 😀. That's like trying to sell you a 250-buck PC with CPU graphics on the back that if you put an RTX 4090 inside and quadrupled the RAM then it could run games in 4K.
Great vid dude
There's a rallye event near me (here in northern Germany) which is held on a military base, so NO SPECTATORS. It kinda feels weird to be honest^^
Apparently they moved there a few years back because of the hurdles put in place by the local government and complains from residents.
Group B, just normal Rally for me as a youngster!
Aaahh Lancia and rolcages... there where rumours they made the rollcage out of cardboard to save more weight
Hmmm steel is flexing as well.
Also Group S was supposed to have a power limitation to 300hp compared to 500+ in group B. However they had little limitation (minimum weight) apart from that. So they could have built custom race cars. The white car looked like the audi group s prototype. With midengine 300 hp …..
@14:13 i assume, u drive where u look... same nowadays... thats why many amateur drifters are crashing
Did you know that the rules said: you have to put a roll cage in your car.
The answer?
-Yes, we will.
Then they put a roll cage in it.
But it's heavy, you know, so some (Lancia and others) built their roll cage out of...carton.
Hey, the said a roll cage, but didn't specify anything else...
the whole world enjoys the rally, USA still tours horse racetracks
That is where the expression "Race it on sunday, sell it on monday"comes from
The expression was first spoken by Bob Tasca Sr of Ford in the 1960s after Ford beat Ferrari at Le Mans with the GT40.
I wonder which delivery that porsche came with, like UPS or maybe even FedEx?
At 15:30, the car is the Audi Group S car, the Rs002!
the ''road'' going version of the Rally cars were not exact spec, take the Metro 6R4 for example, the rally verion had 300bhp but the road going version had 200bhp
I just thought that even every drunk idiot at illegal street races does still know how bad of an idea it is to jump in front of the cars after they have launched. But that were the 1980's. Things were a little different back then.
"Delivery"? HAHAHA
T he white car at 15:30min was in fact the Quattro successor from Audi. Audi Group S if I`m not mistaken it was built in 1984 or 86 but never made it into competition. Ken Block drove it once, and Walter Röhrl in 2016.
quick question...when you pause the video and start talking...who are you talking to?
Lancia Delta - turbo or supercharger? How about both!
Group B cars went HARD.
RIP Henry Toivonen and Sergio Cresto.
If ain't broken you didn't try hard enogh
- some German Engineer
Totally insane cars with insane stats for the time.
0:40 - You don't! Not everything on this planet is about this stupid money... 🤯
EVERYTHING IS ABOUT MONEY… how else you pay for shit ??! You got bills don’t you
Racing ain’t cheap , money has to come from somewhere for it to even make sense
@schuyler_reacts No I don't. I live in socialist hell Europe, my government takes care of everything. 😂
@schuyler_reacts you can still make money from ads on the cars, which is, what they did back then.
I miss the 80's where men were men, women were women and we had a blast watching group B rally together as if we were all friends, those were the days.
women were made of 80% hairspray, and men had fake shoulders 🙂
good times haha
@@zoolkhan well, even those people were better than the plastic women and fake alpha men of today. I have to admit I never understood the ridiculous shoulder thing though, even the women had those, fashion trends in a nutshell, lol.
The 80's a time where everybody knew his place and core values still held up. You had to do your best to be 'confused' about anything.
@@E33Tpro i have to agree with you, what the ladies do to their bodies these days is just ugly.
Kim wilde and pat benatar could wash off their makeup, one cannot wash off the silicone and fishlips - and what is it with those snodder-looking noserings, who finds that attractive?
Even a discussion about rally cars makes weird trans obssessed people cry "waa waa the woke took my weener away"
Dude early 80s rally was crazy... every week during competition the news would talk about this guy died, that guy died, those spectators died... all the freaking time. And then the organisers thought... let's do something crazy, let's drive rally in the freaking desert with no help, no directions, no nothing every year from Paris France to Dakar Senegal right through the Sahara desert. Obviously lots of guys died there.
My country has hosted wrc fot past 4 seasons (Croatia)
Had a freind bought one of the Lancia brand new.italian guy of course!
I saw the last races, past close to my house..... RS200 was a sight to behold in mud....bloody insane, but as a 14 year old wonderful.....
see the story of Lancia Delta S4...
The people were in the roads for years at that point. The FIA should have sopped that stuff much earlier.
Endanger the drivers is one thing, but the spectators?
This sound from ffx with groupe b
Yo my man it’s called a LIVERY not a Delivery lol
i watched group b as a young child, i was heartbroken with only group a left. at least audi went to the us trans am and then even imsa. but rally was never the same afterwards...
and there's the pose value - i have a Lancia stratos what you got? Remember the accident and the punctured lung then check out Ari Vatanen's Climb Dance Pikes Peak 1988 same driver
Tour de France also has some great videos of stupid people for you to review. Loved the video.
Have you seen the Isle Of Man TT race?
Hi , you have to watch the ' Walther Röhrl ' Documantery in the Audi Quattro and watch His Footwork while driving ( His drivingstyle was way ahead ... btw Finish Rally Drivers are the fearless Drivers ever seen .. but Maniac Fans ( to much died cause they where stupid ) bring this Group B to an End