The funny thing is that Porky will likely never truly regret his fate. He is a literal man child who has lived for thousands of years and has never truly grown out of the mindset of a 14 year old brat. He would probably maintain a smug "I win! I win!" mindset until his consciousness somehow ceases, perhaps millions of years in the future. Porky is in a hell of his own making, but one that he will never truly be aware of.
In the end, Porky got what he wanted: a world full of everyone who loves him... His own little world inside that capsule, where the only person who loves him is himself.
What I think makes it so chilling, is that Porky didn't need it. It was his Victor lap, when in reality it is when he fails. Andonuts sold Porky a prison as a shield.
What is poetic is that Porky entered the absolute capsule willingly. He thought he won but in fact lose even in a worse way than dying. He even mocks you enjoying his "win". He enjoys his demise
Immortality as punishment has been done in other media too and I think Pokey got the nicest version of that horrible fate. No eternal pain, just solitude and comfort. Really hammers home that, just maybe, he got what his twisted mind wanted in the end. You could even argue that he got away with everything he did up to that point. A fitting end for a spoiled brat
"Porky was never able to escape the Absolute Safe Capsule, becoming a life between safe and agony, being unable to die even as he wished for it, eventually, Porky stopped thinking."
I like how the world literally gets deleted and it is ultimately left ambiguous if everyone survived or is a ghost now, yet the capsule actually survived that. Truly an absolutely safe capsule.
Pokey is basically Eric Cartman. Driven by sheer immature malice. Too bratty to ever understand he's wrong. Too bratty to ever accept that he lost. Even 5 billion years after the sun explodes, Pokey will still believe that this is victory. He was so scared that others might inflict a punishment on him that he ended making the ultimate punishment on himself.
I remember playing Mother 3 as a kid and it genuinely scarred me (but kind of in a good way). It wasn't afraid to be really challenging emotionally and so much of the story has stuck with me and affected my own perception of the world. The double-meaning of "Absolutely Safe" is alluring and brilliant.
It’s amazing how works of fiction can be so emotional cathartic, ain’t it? As weird as it sounds I sometimes forgot Lucas, Kumatora, Duster, Flint, etc. aren’t real people. Mother 3 perfectly balances sheer human emotion with amazing world building, their world feels legitimately real which is a substantial achievement on Itoi’s behalf and the way he incorporates life experiences into Mother, Mother 2, 3 is simply beautiful. I was a kid when I first experienced it as well. I was a 9 year old in 2011, which is when I first played Mother 3 and it completely challenged my values and perspective on life itself. I remember when I first got to the infamous shrooms trip on tanetane island and hearing Claus’s line of "Everyone's waiting for you. Everyone's waiting to throw rocks at you, spit on you, and make your life hell. Who's everyone? Everyone you love." Absolutely bone chilling. And yeah I’m not ashamed to admit I cry at Mother 3’s ending every single time. Sure a lot of the aspects of the Mother franchise are scary, they’re intended to be this way. And I feel like once you create a piece of art that completely alters your perspective of the world itself you truly have achieved the ultimate goal of an artist. Creating a masterpiece.
Honestly, what I think is scarier is that Porky probably prefers the ASC. All he cares about is himself, and now everyone who opposes him can't bother him anymore. To him, it's probably heaven.
Porky's story always struck me as uncompromisingly tragic, he was a young kid who was never shown real love by his parents, either being given materialistic gifts from his parents as a substitute, or being outright abused for not even doing anything at that point in time to deserve it. Then, he's distanced from the one kid who he felt could've been his friend, Ness, while he's slowly corrupted and taken over by the evil influence of Giygas (a villain I also find very tragic, Mother has great villains that aren't appreciated enough.) By the time we meet him, or at least his army, in Mother 3, he's completely bored with life after becoming immortal and ostensibly all-powerful, so he messes with the life around him in a materialistic way because that's all he ever knew how to interact with the world around him, he was always completely denied of real love and joy, so in a way you could view his constant want for living and success as a sort of hope that eventually, he'll find something to make him feel genuine love and happiness just for once in his life. Yeah he was an asshole, and by the end of Mother 3 it's definitely hard to feel much compassion for him, but when you realize he's basically still just the same old little kid that we knew in Mother 2, it makes him feel like a much less straightforward villain, and more like a tragic kid who was always volatile cause he never got what he really needed in life. And yeah the fate is extremely horrifying, especially if you think of Porky in this way, almost makes you feel like he didn't deserve it. Also I think JoJo Part 5 may have an even more horrific fate for a villain, but the ASC is still a top contender for sure lmfao
The capsule being a Spirit in Super Smash Bros Ultimate makes Porky’s fate even more horrifying since the Spirits are supposed to be what’s left of all the characters wiped out by Galeem. Eventually, Porky will lose what little trace of identity he had left and simply become the capsule itself, with Galeem being the only one to possibly put him out of his misery.
I thought this as well but the impact of this is lessened dramatically by random go-karts and weapons also becoming spirits. Definitely wished those were cut
That's a nice consolation as someone that hates Porky after all the shit he pulled and hated the implication that he was A-Okay with his ultimate fate.
@@lolrus5555 Porky lives to torment and cause misery -- especially coming from an abusive household. Grief can make people into monsters, but it's no excuse for Porky's villany. He deserved what he got.
The dude has survived long enough to see civilizations rise and fall, and still wants to go on a mass murder rampage? So he'll be alone with his master? He hasn't, oh I don't know, tried not being an awful person? At that point he's had plenty of chances to grow and change. He hopped into the capsul himself. Probably without knowing how it worked going by what the Professor said. He deserves his fate. Even more so because he inflicted it on himself.
Imagine being trapped all alone all by yourself inside a capsule that literally is absolutely safe at all times. There is absolutely no way out. No food. No water. No entertainment. No friends. Absolutely nothing. And all you can really do is just stay in the capsule for all eternity even after the universe implodes on itself, you’ll still be trapped in that capsule all alone by yourself forever and ever.
IT IS what he wanted , to never have his life end. Atleast he'll eventually stop thinking and probably spend a long time in hibernation, dreaming endlessly on destroying more worlds and manipulating new beings of infinite variety and killing and toying with those that step in his way
mother's main theme is about growing up, it's not surprising that the worst fate they give a villain who refused to change is being stuck as the same immature person to the rest of eternity
The question of "Should this fate happen to anyone" is what's difficult to answer. However, what is a more definable question is "Was the same complex that drove Porky to commit his crimes against humanity the same that made him want to get in the capsule?"
another question to ponder is if it's a complex at all, or something left over from giygas's corruption of him. was it giygas's influence and the mani mani statues, or did it simply bring out the worst in him, that was there all along, by relating to his broken home life?
@@QxCooLi feel like its almost all Gigyas. I mean we know it corrupts people's minds with just its INFLUENCE, and Porky was just standing a few feet away from the damn thing. I feel like he was just a kid who got wrapped up in something he didnt understand, like he was tricked due to his greed. Why else do you side with space-satan instead of your own childhood friend and species???
@@QxCooL I'd say Giygas brought out the worst out of him, Porky had a unloving childhood and Giygas' influence made him choose to embrace being a selfish self serving tyrant.
@@balanceherosmt7170 interestingly, giygas had somewhat of an unloving childhood as well in the form of george's experiments, and i like to think it was intentional in the story for him to use porky because he's another kid with messed up parents, making him an easy and relatable target
To be fair, Porky/Pokey showed a lot of habits and tendencies that showed he was still child-like and was sort of regressing. The ASC can be seen as some sort of womb that he has forced himself back inside. I've seen this theory floating around for years and it holds up pretty well.
There's 1 saving grace which, has not been accounted for by the sheer fact that the technology was not even IMAGINED back when the game was made. The Absolute Safe capsule has a window. That one can see Porky through and, most likely, Porky can see outside from through. That means that 1: Communication between the inside and outside would be possible via visual gestures. he could learn to communicate with someone who finds the capsule that way and give them instructions. 2: Said visual gestures, could control systems that read them. We have technology like that nowadays which are often used to help paralysed people use computer systems (specifically by using their eye movment for input). Which would mean the capsule could be strappped into a spider mech that is controlled by visual input through the window. It would be an isolating experience, but he already was permanently stuck in bed so it wouldn't be a HUGE change.
It's kind of nice to think, y'know? He could stargaze until oblivion. Makes it a bit les lonely. I also love to Imagine Porky getting numerous levels of highly fortified life-support. I guess that's just how stubborn he is.
@@zoltanvarga3109 as someone who struggled with depression in the past (I got better), there were times in my life where I wouldn't have minded it, just endlessly sleeping away in perfect safety while occasionally waking up to take in the view. Excessive sleeping was one of my big copes back then.
Honestly, thinking on it. I wonder if the window on the Capsule is a blessing to the person inside or a curse. It's the one variable in a miniature world of nothing but constants. I think that it is possible to die inside a capsule that's absolutely safe. All you have to do is grow so tired of the window that you turn away. Eventually, turning away from the window is easy. Turning back grows ever harder. Eventually, Porky will look away for good. When he does, i believe that is when Porky well and truly dies.
Since the series has psychic abilities, I am fairly certain that Porky's mind would eventually be able to reach beyond the capsule. Porky becomes Gygas. Perhaps Porky learns to mentally travel as the eons pass. I suppose eventually Porky is left with just its desire to cause pain. I guess the desire is so strong that it influences intelligent beings.
I liked the little tidbit in Smash Ultimate where Porky doesn't have a spirit. Many though it was an oversight, or setup for a DLC inclusion, but I'd be willing to wager it was an intentional exclusion. The Absolutely Safe Capsule is a spirit - but it still served it's job of keeping Porky safe. Even Galeem's wrath, which killed more gods than I can count, couldn't pierce the Absolutely Safe Capsule. This small decision really further exemplifies the horror of Porky's fate
people were pointing out that it was the empty sprite for the absolutely safe capsule, but i think they’re actually incorrect. it is true that they use a different version of the sprite, but that doesn’t mean it’s empty. the sprite they see as the one that has porky in it is used when it first touches the ground beside him, disproving their claims.
I remember this was the fate of the big bad in the webcomic Crossoverkill. He was robbing entire realities of their death avatars, rendering entire planets unable to die, all in a bid for immortality. In the end, he was stripped of his powers, but the reaper from his own reality was so disgusted by him that it granted his wish. He was left alone, riddled with tumors and unable to even walk, on a world that had been purged by nuclear fire. Forever.
Some people say that Porky "won" when he sealed himself. I could not disagree any harder. He may think that at first, but he says "For the time being, I'll seal myself in this capsule" which shows he thought he was gonna get out. I can't imagine the thought process of "Oh god no, I can't get out of this thing." with the knowledge of you being immortal in the back of your head. Oh yeah, you're also trapped in the body of a coughing, wheezing old person forever. There's nothing to look forward to. He also has the mind of an immature young person, and he does things to alleviate his boredom. How long before he gets tired of a capsule that can hardly fit one person? No matter what he thinks about, and no matter how bad he wants out, he'll be there. Humanity might colonize other planets by that time, and escape the Sun exploding, so who knows where humanity will be. Maybe prospering even more, maybe gone. But at least no one else will be stuck in a bubble while every star inevitably dies out. Eventually, there will be nothing to love, nothing to hate. Porky will have only himself, his infinite boredom and his decrepit body.
@@ErikCarlson-en4vz Porky entered complete with his now-destroyed spider mech, which would take up almost all the room and make it pretty cramped in there.
Probably not; his body is insanely old and decrepit and NEEDS all those mechs to move around. Plus, even if he could, remember: ABSOLUTELY Safe Capsule. You can pretty safely assume there's some emergency protocol to stop choking, as that compromises the safety of the person inside. @@wdmasterluke403
I've always believed Porky Will eventually go oh crap Because andonuts has a dialogue where he goes i fear i'm Wrong And itoi saying Porky is like a poem Yeah he'll probably at first be like lol But he's stuck there forever
I don't think Giygas is evil as much as he is an embodiment of love and hate. He loved his mother so much, when the world took her away, all he had left was pure hatred at the universe for doing so. Porky on the other hand, he is pure evil. But as anyone will tell you humanity has an evil side, I think even the purest of evil has a human side. From the start of Earthbound, all he really wanted was a friend, and he really seemed to see Ness as a friend. Everything leading up to the end of Mother 3 in New Pork City screams heartbreaking loneliness, especially that room with "Master King-P's very precious friend's yoyo." But evil doesn't have friends, and I think Porky understood that eventually. I personally think he knew exactly what he was doing, going into the absolutely safe capsule. His last dregs of humanity shined as he sealed himself away so he could never hurt anyone again.
The Absolutely Safe Capsule goes even further with Smash Bros Ultimate. Porky/Pokey is not there, he is still in the Absolutely Safe Capsule. I just thought that was a neat detail
Imo it'd be funny if you could find the actual Absolutely Safe Capsule in the World of light instead of it being a spirit. It being a spirit implies it was destroyed by Galeem. Still, I definitely prefer this over Porky being a spirit
Porky's fate always horrified me. I'd like to think that because Porky has been in that capsule for so long he sort of becomes a "second giygas" or some other strange being. I can't imagine what being stuck in there for millions--or even billions of years would do to you.
@@uncroppedsoop Giygue loved another person as a mother figure, rather than his actual biological mother if I recall correctly! So the Porky theory could still work in that regard.
@@RYUUsballpit Maybe Porky/Giygas' army expanded the ASC into the devil's machine, as not only does the ASC simulate a womb, but also the whole fetus theory.
I have a theory that makes this fate actually alright. I think a pod like this could also keep you from being sad. He might be locked in a perpetually feeling that everything is ok and that he can just relax. Maybe it's impossible to be depressed in that machine. Maybe he is just "fine" forever.
@@Ixmore Well I think you can talk to him and he only has one text option. I think he just feels that way forever. He's no different from a stone now basically. That's what heaven is supposed to be like for a lot of people, you don't need to address any of your needs so you just do the same thing forever. So idk.
@@bilingualistic8514 I would agree, except for the fact that you remove the possibility of reaching the afterlife, but I don't know if souls are a thing in Mother.
No one wants true immortality. Even if you aren't locked in a capsule it would still be horrific. Imagine living a trillion trillion trillion years and being no closer to death than you were the day you were born. Eventually you would reach the heat death of the universe and just float in infinite darkness for all eternity. No matter what, you would go insane eventually. And no matter how long it takes to reach that point, you will still have an infinite amount of time ahead of you.
There's an interesting theory that with infinite time, everything would at some point happen to someone immortal, including being confined for eternity.
That truly depends on whether the mere possibility of true immortality implies other more interesting, "unnatural" things that don't actually exist, or not.
Nah if i wasnt in a capsule i would study and develop as well as master technologies and techniques so advanced that i would become rhe closest thing to a god or demigod. Cloning researching developing discovering measuring, with so much tine avilable the universe would simply become a playground to an immortal. Not inside a capsule though
@@fabrypetty1689 You still can't escape entropy. Eventually you would be the only thing left in the universe, and there would still be an infinite amount of time ahead of you. It's hard for the human mind to grasp infinity. It doesn't matter how long you exist for, you still have an infinite amount of time ahead of you. Once everything and everyone you know is dust, the last star has died, and even the last black hole has dissipated, you would still have an infinite amount of time ahead of you. Eventually it would become absolute hell, and since you are truly immortal you would exist in that hell for an infinite amount of time.
No, it’s actually pretty nice. You can appreciate the fact that you don’t have to deal with this fate, and respect that there is a time for things to end, even yourself.
In my opinion, boredom is probably the worst emotion a human can experience. It’s something that I feel like no one really talks about. It has the potential to be an absolute nightmare for your mind.
My new headcanon is that Porky cannot escape the Capsule because the floating Save Frog slipped into it at the last minute as he sealed himself inside, thus blocking the door and rendering him helpless to do anything but to save his progress for all of eternity.
I dont know why people call it the most hopeless story ever, I believe its a celebration of humanity as a species. Saving someone sheerily out of compassion, knowing well that youre going to suffer the worst fate in the universe if you do, thats the spirit of humanity. Were not rational.
@@lancebradshaw4829 that's a key element for how you defeat him in the game: make him realize he, too, is mortal due to simple decay of his circuits and entropy, until eventually the rust will get to its mainframe, his brain, and he will die. Whether it's in a cycle, a million cycles, a duodecillion cycles, it will happen.
Nah, this one's worse. It's implied within the latter that AM will EVENTUALLY shut down and then Ted will die and be freed from his torment. The ASC? Nope, it's been made VERY clear there's no escape from that one; once you're in, you're in forever.
Ok but consider the fact that the slug creature AM turned Ted into can’t survive the vacuum of space or the sun going supernova but the absolute safe capsule can AM may have sentenced Ted to hell but it’s a temporary one Dr. andonuts on the other hand sentenced porky to eternity
I feel so bad for Porky. The fact his childhood was completely ruined and he turned into such a monster. I don't know why but I feel like his fate could've been easily avoided somehow.
Honestly imagine if porky thought all of this out. Like he knew he’d eventually want to give up being immortal… Only for the only way to free himself from the capsule being a button on the outside
Ironically, this is the best possible outcome. Pokey has become a lot worse than just some annoying neighbor; he's become a monster who has ruined countless lives and doomed the world for his twisted amusement. This means he has to be put down at all costs, and being stuck in that capsule means he will never get out to hurt anybody ever again. Yet, unlike Kars from Battle Tendency, Pokey has become such a nihilistic slob that he doesn't even seem to care about being stuck in there forever. There's no catharsis for taking Pokey down for good, but it also means he doesn't have to suffer or die by your hands. In the end, all you can do is look at the guy and sigh at his fate before you move on with whatever you're doing.
Pokey was beyond dumb for doing that and the fact that he can’t even leave, break, or even un alive himself to get out is the most craziest thing to ever happen. However I will say this, hell is beyond worst then being trap in a pod. I would rather be stuck forever then be in pain forever and having to hear people around me scream.
I was *really* sick for the last two or so months of 2022. I couldn't sleep during the night at all, I felt like I was loosing my mind, I could barely eat or drink anything for long periods of time, I could barely *even focus on one of the main things that gave me joy in life: talking to my friends online* Eventually, after taking so much medience, and feeling like I recovered...I vomited up *blood* right before going to sleep, as I steeped into the bathroom. Everyone was so scared, we had to go to the Hospital in the middle of the night, and I had to stay sitting up, in the most uncomfortable chairs ever, for almost *12 straight hours, without proper sleep.* Why am I "trauma-dumping" on this video? Because all that talk about Porkey being forever alone, stuck in eternal suffering, no end in sight, leading to you eventually feeling like you're loosing your mind and personality... That reminded me of my personal hell. All that happened to me, because of a urinary-tract infection. If it wasn't for my loving family, it would have been the worst mental hell ever... Insomina is the closest thing to the existential torment of immortality we can experience so far
Then you realize all of this could have been avoided by making the Absolutely Safe Capsule operable from the inside. But that wouldn't be "absolutely safe" anymore, would it?
@@hyronvalkinson1749 Imagine ... When you reach the point of wanting to kill yourself from the isolation, the capsule will not let you do that. When you just want a sweet release to end everything, the capsule will not let you do that. But perhaps this is what he wants after all.
A book I'd recommend if people get a morbid curiosity out of this is "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream." It's a sci fi book about a group of 5 people, the last humans in the universe, as they try to survive in a hellish world where a Human Made AI destroyed the entire planet and captured the 5 for eternal punishment. Spoilers for End of Book: of the 5 characters, 4 of them get rather brutally and hellishly killed. The last remaining huyman being is thrown into complete and utter isolation, turned into a sightless, mouthless, hearingless goop completely incapable of performing any actions or doing literally anything that can lead to his death. He's doomed to live the rest of eternity being completely incapable of ever doing anything ever again.
At least in the book (or game), iirc, it’s either theorized or said that AM will eventually succumb to entropy, meaning so will the character too. If the Absolutely Safe Capsule is truly _Absolute_ than Porky will live on in that capsule _beyond_ the heat death of the universe, meaning he’s stuck in there for all eternity.
Ok, but if its purpose was to keep the universe safe from what's inside, then did it need to prevent the occupant from committing suicide too? Bruh was just sadistic 💀
It's basically the same as what happened to Kars in JoJo's part 2
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Honestly I never knew how to think about that If you only played Mother 3 yeah Pokey is a total dckhead that deserves the worst But if you played Earthbound you know that he's from a pretty bad familly with a violent dad, no real friends and just go under the influene of Giygas like the other evil humans Also a bit off topic but I've always felt bad for Picky who lost his brother like that and was left alone with his mother cheating on his dad and all that
The existential dread this device has is unfathomable. In every other regard, though, it is nonsensical because it defies basically every rule you could imagine just to deliver that narrative point.
Like we talking rules like the laws of physics or just in-universe lore rules? Because it probably does both. Actually, it DEFINITELY breaks the laws of physics.
He probably won't last until the sun's explosion... At least not with a "mind", it is similar to what happened to a character in Jojo's bizarre adventure who went to the space and froze for eternity being still conscious, eventually, after thousand if not million of years... He stopped thinking, he basically became a plant. His body is still "alive", but his mind... Has basically faded over time.
@@Praecantetia not really, dementia is forgeting stuff until you do not know anything or anyone anymore, but Stopping from thinking is basically like turning your brain off, you simple do not process anything that is going on even if you are still alive, like a plant
What terrifies me most in retrospect is the fact he will eventually completely forget language, or anything else for that matter. He will just... exist. He will be nothing. I actually realised this while playing the button ending of stanley parable, where my first (and only) guess for why the narrator stopped talking was that it has been so long he just forgot how to speak, forever trapped as a spectator of the world, unable to do anything, sort of like a less horrifying fate of pokey.
I think imortality is only fine as if we talk about it as "cannot die nor get weaket from aging" being actually unable to die for eternity is absolutely fucking terrifying
Porky (Pokey) Ended Up Like Kars. Trapped forever in his own prison, eventually wanting to die, but never getting the satisfaction, forced to watch everything come to an end, and himself to be left in the void even after the end. To Quote a tiny Scripture from JoJo: Battle Tendency's English Dub: "He wished for death, but there was nothing out there to kill him... The Spark of Thought Within Him grew dim... And then, silent."
i was about 9 years old when i beat mother 3, and i think witnessing porkys fate was the first time the concept of existential deaths was presented to me. the fact that porky was so happy about it put me off even more.
What a weird coincidence considering I first beat Mother 3 in 2011 also at the age of 9, and I also experienced my very first existential crisis with the ASC as mentioned in the video. I still remember that feeling of sheer dread and isolation after putting myself into Porky’s shoes. I legitimately got extremely dizzy even thinking about it back then. I love the Tails gets Trolled profile picture btw!
@@revolverspsychedelicbreakf8747 im probably going to replay the game just because of this video. these games have such deep and intense finales considering their demographic. you did amazing describing this moment!
In a way, the Absolutely Safe Capsule is an entire universe unto itself, which is exactly what Pokey wanted. All alone, isolated from anyone who doesn't like him.
Porky's fate reminds me or the epilog from "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" Porky isn't free and he is tortured because of his own doing, sure the guy from the book is more of a hero and Porky is a villain but they both suffer a terrible fate due to their own doing
Itoi has said this too, however, I'd argue that Porky has gotten exactly what he's wanted all this time. A world in which everyone who hates him is gone. It's just him with him, now...
Knowing Porky has lost all chances of redemption, having cause suffering to many eras during his time travels, and needlessly causing untold suffering into the last remnants of humanity in the Nowhere Islands, what he had got himself into at the end is exactly what he wanted as he believes humanity are a mess of a species who kept on repeating their mistakes and it's fun for him to see them inflict themselves with needless suffering and eventually became extinct with himself being the only one left which is an absolute win for him, doesn't care that he is trapped within the ASC for all eternity.
This game is dark without crossing that line into “edgy”. Dark for the sake of being dark or thinking making something morbid inherently makes it deeper. Every dark moment in Mother has a purpose
I think he'll retreat into his own mind and live in a dream state, "living" by scenarios that his subconscious provides. I mean, "Oleander" is all about it! After Big Bang happend, universe and his mind will start to fuse. It was only a matter of time how long this fusion will go. He made his little world in his head, Ouija, where most of the characters, locations and objects were based of those that Pokey saw in Mother 3 and Earthbound. He meets a traumatized boy, named Travis, who's brother died being hitted by a car when Travis was six. Now Travis is 12-years-old. Pokey lets him go into Ouija, and see Tomas, Travis' dead brother again. Travis, thinking that will let him stay in Ouija forever, hangs himself and lets Ouija spread onto Earth like an infection.
While thematically it is certainly a terrible punishment from a narrative perspective it is the pinnacle of Dr. Andronauts' cowardice. The good doctor was the cornerstone of all of Porky's destruction and conquest since all he had to his name was a Walker Mech at the end of mother 2. He created so many abominations for Porky to play with and the only hand he played in defiance of that madman was to booby trap his final backup plan. Considering he would have had to be in beaten already to use it It was really only existing as an ego slap to the face on the part of the Doctor than any actual effort to stop him but of course he walks away without taking any responsibility for the travesties that he committed.
@@polocatfanwell I do blame him what's clear with the dungeon man fiasco is that he had a fascination with pushing the boundaries of science so it's pretty clear that his deal with Porky was more mutual than he implies to Lucas and maybe what he did with Klaus might have pushed him over the edge Because he was reminded of Jeff but that doesn't erase everything else he did and I'm sure even he knew that his life wasn't worth the suffering he was causing
I like the idea that Claud’s helmet was a new version of the devils machine Porky made, and he was trying to recreate a new entity of evil, since Porky himself could never use PSI.
What a way to...Live. He cant die and he cannot leave. He will basically be an immortal being stuck inside of an inescapable cylinder for the rest of eternity.
@@MikeTyson-ft8nq Yeah but he'll eventually die when the entire universe no longer has any energy to transfer and the stars cool, causing all life to cease to exist eventually. (See: Heat Death of the Universe)
Plenty of media has touched on living forever being horrible... it's another thing entirely to live forever in a featureless 10ft sphere. I keep seeing stories about an immortal person outliving their loved ones and becoming depressed... but Porky/Pokey doesn't even have the luxury of knowing what happens as time goes on. He can't do anything or go anywhere or talk to anyone. He'll just... exist. Forever. ...Holy fuck.
@@kamikeserpentail3778 Yeah I do admit that the thing that made the backrooms scary in the first place was the "unknown" factor-a monster right in front of you is kinda scary, but a monster that you don't know the location of is terrifying-and not being certain if there even IS a monster in the first place would be even worse. I don't think immortality factors into the backrooms though-as far as I know you'd just die of thirst after a few days. Is there a part of the lore that I'm missing?
The concept of heaven suffers a similar horror: an all-consuming inescapable boredom after every possible action is repeated to the point of pointlessness.
I really dislike the sentiment that an eternity nessecarily devolves to boredom of everything. People repeat actions anyway because they enjoy them repetition doesn't nessecitate boredom. You can play the same sport for several years even an entire lifetime (even a solo sport) and still find it enjoying to play another time. People eat the same food they've had often, they see media they've seen often, they reminisce on memories often. Add to that we do not have the capability to hold everything in our brains. We will forget things and it'll appear novel again. The space of creative exploration is much bigger than what our brains can hold even merely restricting ourself to text (and not images or collections of images and sounds or collections of images sounds and interactions), there's more literature than a single person can consume and more possibe literature than the amount of information we can store in our heads.
You assume you’ll even have the desire to do anything. Truth be told, if it’s a true paradise, you will enjoy an eternity of nothing and be completely fine with it. You wont be bored because you will be free from the concept of desire.
@@theresnothinghere1745 yeah, that's kinda fitting. However, the real problems begin when a person's mind will start breaking from living too long(however, in "heaven" That's probably not possible, unlike infinite life) Eternal boredom probably won't happen, but lack of anything new will. At some incomprehensibly far point nothing will really feel new, just the same stuff that you've seen several quintillion years ago with a new look...
@@shawermus A person's mind breaking from living to long isn't a thing outisde of a side effect of aging. If you're somehow living forever that won't just happen from living too long as you'll eventually die from it, it needs another cause that's enhanced by a long life. "lack of anything new will" My second point was that people severely overestimate a human's potential to hold information. Especially when we compare it to the wealth of information available. New will still exist because you will not be able to hold in memory everything you've ever done. You will forget and forgetting creates the capability to learn. Doubly so if we talk about things just 'feeling' new because the human body isn't that objective in its perception of the world. Something you've already done before can 'feel' new or fresh when you just haven't done it in a bit.
Porky not being able to die is part of himself, that's not an aspect of the device. If anyone else got trapped in there theyd die from hunger and thirst like normal
I don't feel bad when i think what happened to him in Mother 3, but i do feel when i think about him as a kid in EB. He's just a kid at that point and i just wonder how he would react knowing his end. I like to think the shock is so big he would choose to give up on stoping Ness or even to take on Gyigas itself out of refusal
I know that if I somehow became aware that my current life path would lead me to a fate like the ASC, I'd do everything I could to avoid it. Even if it meant fighting an eldritch abomination like Giygas alone with my bare hands.
Imagine being alone for a meaningless quantity of time with only yourself and your thoughts, no way to tell what is happening outside, even through the end of the of the universe and the start of another one. Even if the capsule is discovered by some other intelligent race, you would never know, and they would never get inside to let you know. Absolute. Safety.
Porky never wanted to face punishment for what he did, everything he did. In this sense, he got away with everything he ever did, not facing the consequences ever. Thing is, he just self imprisoned himself.
Unless that race has advanced enough technology to be able to open the capsule. Any race that is able to travel to Earth to find the capsule in the first place will be far more advanced than humanity.
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The funny thing is that Porky will likely never truly regret his fate. He is a literal man child who has lived for thousands of years and has never truly grown out of the mindset of a 14 year old brat. He would probably maintain a smug "I win! I win!" mindset until his consciousness somehow ceases, perhaps millions of years in the future.
Porky is in a hell of his own making, but one that he will never truly be aware of.
well I'm not sure whether to pity him or laugh at him
In the end, Porky got what he wanted: a world full of everyone who loves him... His own little world inside that capsule, where the only person who loves him is himself.
Evangelion vibes
Porky's fate in mother 3 gives me shivers, claiming it is the most worst and horrifying fate in fiction doesn't sound that exaggerated honestly.
What I think makes it so chilling, is that Porky didn't need it. It was his Victor lap, when in reality it is when he fails.
Andonuts sold Porky a prison as a shield.
@@ceddavis7441 I don’t even know how he’s alive after so many years
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@@wolfetteplays8894it’s mentioned in game that he’s become immortal because of all the time traveling he’s done. It’s messed up his biology.
@@GermanCricket13 _And although he wished for death, he could never die. Eventually, Porky stopped thinking._
What is poetic is that Porky entered the absolute capsule willingly. He thought he won but in fact lose even in a worse way than dying. He even mocks you enjoying his "win". He enjoys his demise
Immortality as punishment has been done in other media too and I think Pokey got the nicest version of that horrible fate. No eternal pain, just solitude and comfort. Really hammers home that, just maybe, he got what his twisted mind wanted in the end. You could even argue that he got away with everything he did up to that point. A fitting end for a spoiled brat
"Porky was never able to escape the Absolute Safe Capsule, becoming a life between safe and agony, being unable to die even as he wished for it, eventually, Porky stopped thinking."
I like how the world literally gets deleted and it is ultimately left ambiguous if everyone survived or is a ghost now, yet the capsule actually survived that. Truly an absolutely safe capsule.
And eventually, porky stopped thinking.
Lol nice one
I understood that reference
Damn, beat me to it
I understand the reference
Pokey is basically Eric Cartman. Driven by sheer immature malice. Too bratty to ever understand he's wrong. Too bratty to ever accept that he lost. Even 5 billion years after the sun explodes, Pokey will still believe that this is victory. He was so scared that others might inflict a punishment on him that he ended making the ultimate punishment on himself.
I remember playing Mother 3 as a kid and it genuinely scarred me (but kind of in a good way). It wasn't afraid to be really challenging emotionally and so much of the story has stuck with me and affected my own perception of the world. The double-meaning of "Absolutely Safe" is alluring and brilliant.
It’s amazing how works of fiction can be so emotional cathartic, ain’t it? As weird as it sounds I sometimes forgot Lucas, Kumatora, Duster, Flint, etc. aren’t real people. Mother 3 perfectly balances sheer human emotion with amazing world building, their world feels legitimately real which is a substantial achievement on Itoi’s behalf and the way he incorporates life experiences into Mother, Mother 2, 3 is simply beautiful. I was a kid when I first experienced it as well. I was a 9 year old in 2011, which is when I first played Mother 3 and it completely challenged my values and perspective on life itself. I remember when I first got to the infamous shrooms trip on tanetane island and hearing Claus’s line of "Everyone's waiting for you. Everyone's waiting to throw rocks at you, spit on you, and make your life hell. Who's everyone? Everyone you love." Absolutely bone chilling. And yeah I’m not ashamed to admit I cry at Mother 3’s ending every single time. Sure a lot of the aspects of the Mother franchise are scary, they’re intended to be this way. And I feel like once you create a piece of art that completely alters your perspective of the world itself you truly have achieved the ultimate goal of an artist. Creating a masterpiece.
@@revolverspsychedelicbreakf8747 easily in my top 5 games ever
Honestly, what I think is scarier is that Porky probably prefers the ASC. All he cares about is himself, and now everyone who opposes him can't bother him anymore. To him, it's probably heaven.
Finally a way to stop the immortal snail from touching and killing me
WE HAVE LIED STOLEN LOOKED PREVERSELY AND USED GODS NAME IN VAIN SO REPENT AND TRUST IN CHRIST FOR HE SAVED U HELL ON THE CROSS
@@BzotsOutOfIllinois3500 no
No
@@BzotsOutOfIllinois3500 Schizo
@@icecreamwaffles1962 Ew an atheist
Porky's story always struck me as uncompromisingly tragic, he was a young kid who was never shown real love by his parents, either being given materialistic gifts from his parents as a substitute, or being outright abused for not even doing anything at that point in time to deserve it. Then, he's distanced from the one kid who he felt could've been his friend, Ness, while he's slowly corrupted and taken over by the evil influence of Giygas (a villain I also find very tragic, Mother has great villains that aren't appreciated enough.) By the time we meet him, or at least his army, in Mother 3, he's completely bored with life after becoming immortal and ostensibly all-powerful, so he messes with the life around him in a materialistic way because that's all he ever knew how to interact with the world around him, he was always completely denied of real love and joy, so in a way you could view his constant want for living and success as a sort of hope that eventually, he'll find something to make him feel genuine love and happiness just for once in his life. Yeah he was an asshole, and by the end of Mother 3 it's definitely hard to feel much compassion for him, but when you realize he's basically still just the same old little kid that we knew in Mother 2, it makes him feel like a much less straightforward villain, and more like a tragic kid who was always volatile cause he never got what he really needed in life. And yeah the fate is extremely horrifying, especially if you think of Porky in this way, almost makes you feel like he didn't deserve it.
Also I think JoJo Part 5 may have an even more horrific fate for a villain, but the ASC is still a top contender for sure lmfao
His brother Picky had the same parents, and he turned out fine.
The worst part of it, its ambiguous if Porky truly wanted to be isolated from the rest of the world for eternity, which I believe he does.
@@balanceherosmt7170 I don't believe he did. He wanted there to be nothing left but him and the Dragon
In 5.5 billion years, Porky will be floating around the universe still thinking he won.
The capsule being a Spirit in Super Smash Bros Ultimate makes Porky’s fate even more horrifying since the Spirits are supposed to be what’s left of all the characters wiped out by Galeem. Eventually, Porky will lose what little trace of identity he had left and simply become the capsule itself, with Galeem being the only one to possibly put him out of his misery.
I thought this as well but the impact of this is lessened dramatically by random go-karts and weapons also becoming spirits. Definitely wished those were cut
Considering how desperate Porky is for connection this is probably the worst possible fate he could have inflicted on himself
Eventually, Porky stopped thinking.
Thing is, Porky will eventually miss trolling the human race, and he won't be rolling around in glee anymore.
That's a nice consolation as someone that hates Porky after all the shit he pulled and hated the implication that he was A-Okay with his ultimate fate.
@@lolrus5555 Porky lives to torment and cause misery -- especially coming from an abusive household. Grief can make people into monsters, but it's no excuse for Porky's villany. He deserved what he got.
The dude has survived long enough to see civilizations rise and fall, and still wants to go on a mass murder rampage? So he'll be alone with his master? He hasn't, oh I don't know, tried not being an awful person?
At that point he's had plenty of chances to grow and change. He hopped into the capsul himself. Probably without knowing how it worked going by what the Professor said. He deserves his fate. Even more so because he inflicted it on himself.
".....Eventually, he stopped thinking."
Eventually, he stopped thinking.
Imagine being trapped all alone all by yourself inside a capsule that literally is absolutely safe at all times. There is absolutely no way out. No food. No water. No entertainment. No friends. Absolutely nothing. And all you can really do is just stay in the capsule for all eternity even after the universe implodes on itself, you’ll still be trapped in that capsule all alone by yourself forever and ever.
Remember:
It's implied that this fate may be _what he wanted._
IT IS what he wanted , to never have his life end. Atleast he'll eventually stop thinking and probably spend a long time in hibernation, dreaming endlessly on destroying more worlds and manipulating new beings of infinite variety and killing and toying with those that step in his way
mother's main theme is about growing up, it's not surprising that the worst fate they give a villain who refused to change is being stuck as the same immature person to the rest of eternity
Eventually, Pokey stopped thinking.
*HOLY SHIT!! IS THAT A MOTHERFU* - Yeah, you all know the rest.
The question of "Should this fate happen to anyone" is what's difficult to answer. However, what is a more definable question is "Was the same complex that drove Porky to commit his crimes against humanity the same that made him want to get in the capsule?"
another question to ponder is if it's a complex at all, or something left over from giygas's corruption of him. was it giygas's influence and the mani mani statues, or did it simply bring out the worst in him, that was there all along, by relating to his broken home life?
@@QxCooLi feel like its almost all Gigyas. I mean we know it corrupts people's minds with just its INFLUENCE, and Porky was just standing a few feet away from the damn thing.
I feel like he was just a kid who got wrapped up in something he didnt understand, like he was tricked due to his greed.
Why else do you side with space-satan instead of your own childhood friend and species???
@@QxCooL I'd say Giygas brought out the worst out of him, Porky had a unloving childhood and Giygas' influence made him choose to embrace being a selfish self serving tyrant.
@@balanceherosmt7170 interestingly, giygas had somewhat of an unloving childhood as well in the form of george's experiments, and i like to think it was intentional in the story for him to use porky because he's another kid with messed up parents, making him an easy and relatable target
Eventually, Porky stopped thinking
To be fair, Porky/Pokey showed a lot of habits and tendencies that showed he was still child-like and was sort of regressing. The ASC can be seen as some sort of womb that he has forced himself back inside.
I've seen this theory floating around for years and it holds up pretty well.
what's up with mother fans and theorizing weird shit about pregnancy... oh wait a minute it's called mother
Yeehaw, symbolism!!
There's 1 saving grace which, has not been accounted for by the sheer fact that the technology was not even IMAGINED back when the game was made.
The Absolute Safe capsule has a window. That one can see Porky through and, most likely, Porky can see outside from through.
That means that 1: Communication between the inside and outside would be possible via visual gestures. he could learn to communicate with someone who finds the capsule that way and give them instructions.
2: Said visual gestures, could control systems that read them. We have technology like that nowadays which are often used to help paralysed people use computer systems (specifically by using their eye movment for input).
Which would mean the capsule could be strappped into a spider mech that is controlled by visual input through the window. It would be an isolating experience, but he already was permanently stuck in bed so it wouldn't be a HUGE change.
It's kind of nice to think, y'know? He could stargaze until oblivion. Makes it a bit les lonely.
I also love to Imagine Porky getting numerous levels of highly fortified life-support.
I guess that's just how stubborn he is.
@@zoltanvarga3109 as someone who struggled with depression in the past (I got better), there were times in my life where I wouldn't have minded it, just endlessly sleeping away in perfect safety while occasionally waking up to take in the view.
Excessive sleeping was one of my big copes back then.
You forgot he cant move his own body at all. He wouldnt be able to make gestures.
@@mr.mcklockwork3828 he... He did make taunting gestures through the window though. Its literally something that happens ingame
@@rheokalyke367 That's meant to be more along the lines of sticking his tongue out at you, not hand gestures or things like that.
Honestly, thinking on it. I wonder if the window on the Capsule is a blessing to the person inside or a curse. It's the one variable in a miniature world of nothing but constants.
I think that it is possible to die inside a capsule that's absolutely safe. All you have to do is grow so tired of the window that you turn away.
Eventually, turning away from the window is easy. Turning back grows ever harder. Eventually, Porky will look away for good. When he does, i believe that is when Porky well and truly dies.
"eventually he stopped thinking"
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Is it a horrific fate? Yes.
Does Porky deserve it? Absolutely.
Since the series has psychic abilities, I am fairly certain that Porky's mind would eventually be able to reach beyond the capsule. Porky becomes Gygas. Perhaps Porky learns to mentally travel as the eons pass. I suppose eventually Porky is left with just its desire to cause pain. I guess the desire is so strong that it influences intelligent beings.
I liked the little tidbit in Smash Ultimate where Porky doesn't have a spirit. Many though it was an oversight, or setup for a DLC inclusion, but I'd be willing to wager it was an intentional exclusion. The Absolutely Safe Capsule is a spirit - but it still served it's job of keeping Porky safe. Even Galeem's wrath, which killed more gods than I can count, couldn't pierce the Absolutely Safe Capsule. This small decision really further exemplifies the horror of Porky's fate
That’s amazing.
people were pointing out that it was the empty sprite for the absolutely safe capsule, but i think they’re actually incorrect. it is true that they use a different version of the sprite, but that doesn’t mean it’s empty. the sprite they see as the one that has porky in it is used when it first touches the ground beside him, disproving their claims.
I wanted Porky as a DLC fighter and I was in a great situation. When it didn't happen, at least I got to appreciate that pretty funny punchline
I remember this was the fate of the big bad in the webcomic Crossoverkill. He was robbing entire realities of their death avatars, rendering entire planets unable to die, all in a bid for immortality. In the end, he was stripped of his powers, but the reaper from his own reality was so disgusted by him that it granted his wish. He was left alone, riddled with tumors and unable to even walk, on a world that had been purged by nuclear fire. Forever.
*Eventually, Pokey stopped thinking...*
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Imagine a mother 3 anti-piracy screen where after using one of those it just doesn't let you out, like the capsule
Shit, that's BRILLIANT
Some people say that Porky "won" when he sealed himself. I could not disagree any harder. He may think that at first, but he says "For the time being, I'll seal myself in this capsule" which shows he thought he was gonna get out. I can't imagine the thought process of "Oh god no, I can't get out of this thing." with the knowledge of you being immortal in the back of your head. Oh yeah, you're also trapped in the body of a coughing, wheezing old person forever. There's nothing to look forward to. He also has the mind of an immature young person, and he does things to alleviate his boredom. How long before he gets tired of a capsule that can hardly fit one person?
No matter what he thinks about, and no matter how bad he wants out, he'll be there. Humanity might colonize other planets by that time, and escape the Sun exploding, so who knows where humanity will be. Maybe prospering even more, maybe gone. But at least no one else will be stuck in a bubble while every star inevitably dies out. Eventually, there will be nothing to love, nothing to hate. Porky will have only himself, his infinite boredom and his decrepit body.
How big is it though? It looked pretty big in the footage. How could it only fit one person?
@@ErikCarlson-en4vz Porky entered complete with his now-destroyed spider mech, which would take up almost all the room and make it pretty cramped in there.
Can’t he just choke himself to death?
Probably not; his body is insanely old and decrepit and NEEDS all those mechs to move around.
Plus, even if he could, remember: ABSOLUTELY Safe Capsule. You can pretty safely assume there's some emergency protocol to stop choking, as that compromises the safety of the person inside. @@wdmasterluke403
I've always believed Porky Will eventually go oh crap
Because andonuts has a dialogue where he goes i fear i'm Wrong
And itoi saying Porky is like a poem
Yeah he'll probably at first be like lol
But he's stuck there forever
I don't think Giygas is evil as much as he is an embodiment of love and hate. He loved his mother so much, when the world took her away, all he had left was pure hatred at the universe for doing so. Porky on the other hand, he is pure evil. But as anyone will tell you humanity has an evil side, I think even the purest of evil has a human side. From the start of Earthbound, all he really wanted was a friend, and he really seemed to see Ness as a friend. Everything leading up to the end of Mother 3 in New Pork City screams heartbreaking loneliness, especially that room with "Master King-P's very precious friend's yoyo." But evil doesn't have friends, and I think Porky understood that eventually. I personally think he knew exactly what he was doing, going into the absolutely safe capsule. His last dregs of humanity shined as he sealed himself away so he could never hurt anyone again.
The Absolutely Safe Capsule goes even further with Smash Bros Ultimate. Porky/Pokey is not there, he is still in the Absolutely Safe Capsule. I just thought that was a neat detail
Imo it'd be funny if you could find the actual Absolutely Safe Capsule in the World of light instead of it being a spirit. It being a spirit implies it was destroyed by Galeem. Still, I definitely prefer this over Porky being a spirit
Porky's fate always horrified me. I'd like to think that because Porky has been in that capsule for so long he sort of becomes a "second giygas" or some other strange being.
I can't imagine what being stuck in there for millions--or even billions of years would do to you.
Or maybe it’s a time loop and he is actually giygas
@@toasttitan3253 highly possible! I also think that’s a great theory regarding the capsule.
@@RYUUsballpit but Giygas loved his mother
@@uncroppedsoop Giygue loved another person as a mother figure, rather than his actual biological mother if I recall correctly! So the Porky theory could still work in that regard.
@@RYUUsballpit Maybe Porky/Giygas' army expanded the ASC into the devil's machine, as not only does the ASC simulate a womb, but also the whole fetus theory.
I have a theory that makes this fate actually alright. I think a pod like this could also keep you from being sad. He might be locked in a perpetually feeling that everything is ok and that he can just relax. Maybe it's impossible to be depressed in that machine. Maybe he is just "fine" forever.
That would actually make sense; the only real escape from such a machine would be insanity. To stop thinking and simply be.
@@Ixmore Well I think you can talk to him and he only has one text option. I think he just feels that way forever. He's no different from a stone now basically. That's what heaven is supposed to be like for a lot of people, you don't need to address any of your needs so you just do the same thing forever. So idk.
Isn't that in a way also dying?
When Porky killed himself even though he still lives
@@bilingualistic8514 I would agree, except for the fact that you remove the possibility of reaching the afterlife, but I don't know if souls are a thing in Mother.
Well it’s a good thing that he’s in there and we’re out here and he’s the sheriff
And I just realized- we’re in there and he’s frozen
but what I wanna know is where’s porky????
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And then I just remembered we're out here.
No one wants true immortality. Even if you aren't locked in a capsule it would still be horrific. Imagine living a trillion trillion trillion years and being no closer to death than you were the day you were born. Eventually you would reach the heat death of the universe and just float in infinite darkness for all eternity. No matter what, you would go insane eventually. And no matter how long it takes to reach that point, you will still have an infinite amount of time ahead of you.
There's an interesting theory that with infinite time, everything would at some point happen to someone immortal, including being confined for eternity.
That truly depends on whether the mere possibility of true immortality implies other more interesting, "unnatural" things that don't actually exist, or not.
Nah if i wasnt in a capsule i would study and develop as well as master technologies and techniques so advanced that i would become rhe closest thing to a god or demigod.
Cloning researching developing discovering measuring, with so much tine avilable the universe would simply become a playground to an immortal.
Not inside a capsule though
@@fabrypetty1689 You still can't escape entropy. Eventually you would be the only thing left in the universe, and there would still be an infinite amount of time ahead of you. It's hard for the human mind to grasp infinity. It doesn't matter how long you exist for, you still have an infinite amount of time ahead of you. Once everything and everyone you know is dust, the last star has died, and even the last black hole has dissipated, you would still have an infinite amount of time ahead of you. Eventually it would become absolute hell, and since you are truly immortal you would exist in that hell for an infinite amount of time.
maybe its not so bad, with infinite time you get infinite big bangs and infinite earths
Man, this was NOT the video to watch while trying to distract myself from existential dread.
Mother 3 (Hell, the whole Mother serie, actually) is really not the best distraction against existential dread.
No, it’s actually pretty nice. You can appreciate the fact that you don’t have to deal with this fate, and respect that there is a time for things to end, even yourself.
I will change video too, bc I am thinking a lot, so yeah, this is good for another time tbh
In my opinion, boredom is probably the worst emotion a human can experience. It’s something that I feel like no one really talks about. It has the potential to be an absolute nightmare for your mind.
Tell me about it.
Ur looking at one bored person here
My new headcanon is that Porky cannot escape the Capsule because the floating Save Frog slipped into it at the last minute as he sealed himself inside, thus blocking the door and rendering him helpless to do anything but to save his progress for all of eternity.
Atleast he can talk to the frog until.. he dies of starvation. R.I.P save frog
@@nicholasaugello2534 Wouldn't the Save Frog be absolutely safe, as well?
If you thought Porky's fate was horrifying, wait till you hear about the story "I have no mouth, and I must scream"
I'm pretty sure AM is still subject to entropy and energy needs, so he'd still EVENTUALLY shut down.
I dont know why people call it the most hopeless story ever, I believe its a celebration of humanity as a species. Saving someone sheerily out of compassion, knowing well that youre going to suffer the worst fate in the universe if you do, thats the spirit of humanity. Were not rational.
@@lancebradshaw4829 that's a key element for how you defeat him in the game: make him realize he, too, is mortal due to simple decay of his circuits and entropy, until eventually the rust will get to its mainframe, his brain, and he will die. Whether it's in a cycle, a million cycles, a duodecillion cycles, it will happen.
Nah, this one's worse. It's implied within the latter that AM will EVENTUALLY shut down and then Ted will die and be freed from his torment. The ASC? Nope, it's been made VERY clear there's no escape from that one; once you're in, you're in forever.
This is worse. The jelly thing won't survive the inevitable destruction of the planet.
I have no mouth and I must scream.
Ok but consider the fact that the slug creature AM turned Ted into can’t survive the vacuum of space or the sun going supernova but the absolute safe capsule can AM may have sentenced Ted to hell but it’s a temporary one Dr. andonuts on the other hand sentenced porky to eternity
The Mr Saturns would grow tired of trying to invent something to change the future and would invent this horrific device to protect their species.
imagine if our world is a simulation... and you accidentally find a real-life soft-lock. that would be a pretty grim fate too!
I feel so bad for Porky. The fact his childhood was completely ruined and he turned into such a monster. I don't know why but I feel like his fate could've been easily avoided somehow.
It’s about the same as any idea of hell. Or heaven, really. Once you really think about the implications of “eternal”, it’s just terrifying.
Honestly imagine if porky thought all of this out. Like he knew he’d eventually want to give up being immortal…
Only for the only way to free himself from the capsule being a button on the outside
Reminds me of "But what about the implications?" the meme
@@KittyKatty999 I DIDN'T THINK ABOUT THE IMPLICATIONS
I mean, there's always a chance that something would come along and slam into the button...
Ironically, this is the best possible outcome. Pokey has become a lot worse than just some annoying neighbor; he's become a monster who has ruined countless lives and doomed the world for his twisted amusement. This means he has to be put down at all costs, and being stuck in that capsule means he will never get out to hurt anybody ever again. Yet, unlike Kars from Battle Tendency, Pokey has become such a nihilistic slob that he doesn't even seem to care about being stuck in there forever. There's no catharsis for taking Pokey down for good, but it also means he doesn't have to suffer or die by your hands. In the end, all you can do is look at the guy and sigh at his fate before you move on with whatever you're doing.
I was just about to comment about battle tenacity
If you are ever scared of death and whar happens after, just remember, not dying and living forever is MUCH, MUCH WORSE.
what if you go to hell and still live forever but in a firey pit for all eternity
I don't know.
I always coped by imagining he'd go insane/start hallucinating to keep him "entertained". Still a fucked up existance though
I wish Porky had just been killed. I wouldn't wish a fate like the ASC on anyone, not even him.
Pokey was beyond dumb for doing that and the fact that he can’t even leave, break, or even un alive himself to get out is the most craziest thing to ever happen. However I will say this, hell is beyond worst then being trap in a pod. I would rather be stuck forever then be in pain forever and having to hear people around me scream.
Sooner or later he’ll run out of oxygen, I assume. Or is he so inhuman now that he doesn’t need oxygen?
He won’t be able to run out of oxygen cuz the pod provides that
To be honest even if the pod doesn’t give oxygen, he is literally so inhuman to where he doesn’t need to breathe
@@paulchapman8023he Pod provides all he needs to live. *Forever*
I was *really* sick for the last two or so months of 2022. I couldn't sleep during the night at all, I felt like I was loosing my mind, I could barely eat or drink anything for long periods of time, I could barely *even focus on one of the main things that gave me joy in life: talking to my friends online*
Eventually, after taking so much medience, and feeling like I recovered...I vomited up *blood* right before going to sleep, as I steeped into the bathroom.
Everyone was so scared, we had to go to the Hospital in the middle of the night, and I had to stay sitting up, in the most uncomfortable chairs ever, for almost *12 straight hours, without proper sleep.*
Why am I "trauma-dumping" on this video? Because all that talk about Porkey being forever alone, stuck in eternal suffering, no end in sight, leading to you eventually feeling like you're loosing your mind and personality...
That reminded me of my personal hell. All that happened to me, because of a urinary-tract infection. If it wasn't for my loving family, it would have been the worst mental hell ever...
Insomina is the closest thing to the existential torment of immortality we can experience so far
Then you realize all of this could have been avoided by making the Absolutely Safe Capsule operable from the inside.
But that wouldn't be "absolutely safe" anymore, would it?
Why would you want that when it's supposed to trap something evil and dangerous
@@hyronvalkinson1749 Imagine ...
When you reach the point of wanting to kill yourself from the isolation, the capsule will not let you do that.
When you just want a sweet release to end everything, the capsule will not let you do that.
But perhaps this is what he wants after all.
Porky got the greatest softlock of all time.
A book I'd recommend if people get a morbid curiosity out of this is "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream." It's a sci fi book about a group of 5 people, the last humans in the universe, as they try to survive in a hellish world where a Human Made AI destroyed the entire planet and captured the 5 for eternal punishment.
Spoilers for End of Book:
of the 5 characters, 4 of them get rather brutally and hellishly killed. The last remaining huyman being is thrown into complete and utter isolation, turned into a sightless, mouthless, hearingless goop completely incapable of performing any actions or doing literally anything that can lead to his death. He's doomed to live the rest of eternity being completely incapable of ever doing anything ever again.
At least in the book (or game), iirc, it’s either theorized or said that AM will eventually succumb to entropy, meaning so will the character too. If the Absolutely Safe Capsule is truly _Absolute_ than Porky will live on in that capsule _beyond_ the heat death of the universe, meaning he’s stuck in there for all eternity.
In a sense Porky is soft locked - he can't progress the game, he can't lose the game. In the Absolutely Safe Capsule he's soft locked.
Its basically getting softlocked... except you cant really reset
Less a soft lock and more a hard lock since he is stuck for eternity unable to do anything which fits more with a hard lock.
Yeah, his fate gave me freaking nightmares as a kid. It's terrifying as heck.
Ok, but if its purpose was to keep the universe safe from what's inside, then did it need to prevent the occupant from committing suicide too? Bruh was just sadistic 💀
prevents potential reincarnation
"So eventually, he stopped thinking."
HAH KARS
It's basically the same as what happened to Kars in JoJo's part 2
Honestly I never knew how to think about that
If you only played Mother 3 yeah Pokey is a total dckhead that deserves the worst
But if you played Earthbound you know that he's from a pretty bad familly with a violent dad, no real friends and just go under the influene of Giygas like the other evil humans
Also a bit off topic but I've always felt bad for Picky who lost his brother like that and was left alone with his mother cheating on his dad and all that
The existential dread this device has is unfathomable. In every other regard, though, it is nonsensical because it defies basically every rule you could imagine just to deliver that narrative point.
Like we talking rules like the laws of physics or just in-universe lore rules?
Because it probably does both. Actually, it DEFINITELY breaks the laws of physics.
He probably won't last until the sun's explosion... At least not with a "mind", it is similar to what happened to a character in Jojo's bizarre adventure who went to the space and froze for eternity being still conscious, eventually, after thousand if not million of years... He stopped thinking, he basically became a plant. His body is still "alive", but his mind... Has basically faded over time.
Like dementia?
@@Praecantetia not really, dementia is forgeting stuff until you do not know anything or anyone anymore, but Stopping from thinking is basically like turning your brain off, you simple do not process anything that is going on even if you are still alive, like a plant
Until the anti mental deterioration safety kicks in. Even ego death is not permitted under the capsule's absolute protection.
since it's absolutely safe, wouldn't it survive the explosion
What terrifies me most in retrospect is the fact he will eventually completely forget language, or anything else for that matter. He will just... exist. He will be nothing.
I actually realised this while playing the button ending of stanley parable, where my first (and only) guess for why the narrator stopped talking was that it has been so long he just forgot how to speak, forever trapped as a spectator of the world, unable to do anything, sort of like a less horrifying fate of pokey.
Eventually... Pokey stopped thinking...
And eventually... porky stopped thinking
WE HAVE LIED STOLEN LOOKED PREVERSELY AND USED GODS NAME IN VAIN SO REPENT AND TRUST IN CHRIST FOR HE SAVED U HELL ON THE CROSS
I think imortality is only fine as if we talk about it as "cannot die nor get weaket from aging" being actually unable to die for eternity is absolutely fucking terrifying
Ironic that Pokey becomes the very thing he tried to harness.
An unbeatable being of pure malice, torn apart by his own brain.
"What an almighty idiot! Yep, that's what he is!"
I'm sure once he spends a few more centuries in there, he'll just... stop thinking.
Is it a J...
@@0133BlackMage...ojo reference...
Him and Kars would make good friends.
Or not, due to the animal experiments done.
Porky (Pokey) Ended Up Like Kars. Trapped forever in his own prison, eventually wanting to die, but never getting the satisfaction, forced to watch everything come to an end, and himself to be left in the void even after the end.
To Quote a tiny Scripture from JoJo: Battle Tendency's English Dub:
"He wished for death, but there was nothing out there to kill him... The Spark of Thought Within Him grew dim... And then, silent."
But at least Kars will eventually enter a Black Hole and be ripped apart or something.
The Absolutely Safe Capsule is absolutely safe….
Eventually Porky just stopped thinking
@@DetrimenttoSociety Exactly, which is worse.
But at the same time... Deserved? I think?
@@DetrimenttoSociety erm, akshualy ☝️🤓
In an Interview, Shigesato Itoi said the capsule would open around 3 trillion of years
Eventually, Kars stopped thinking.
Eventually, Porky will too.
When you’ve thought every thought, there’s no more thoughts to think
Eventually he stopped thinking...
Eventually, Porky stopped thinking...
nope, that might be considered by the capsule as brain death, which it's supposed to stop. not even brain death will save you from this fate.
@@MrMoron-qn5rx it was a Jojo reference
@@michelangelocecchini4139 probably, never watched it, but just wanted to make it more horrifying. even stopping with thinking wont save you now
i was about 9 years old when i beat mother 3, and i think witnessing porkys fate was the first time the concept of existential deaths was presented to me. the fact that porky was so happy about it put me off even more.
What a weird coincidence considering I first beat Mother 3 in 2011 also at the age of 9, and I also experienced my very first existential crisis with the ASC as mentioned in the video. I still remember that feeling of sheer dread and isolation after putting myself into Porky’s shoes. I legitimately got extremely dizzy even thinking about it back then. I love the Tails gets Trolled profile picture btw!
@@revolverspsychedelicbreakf8747 im probably going to replay the game just because of this video. these games have such deep and intense finales considering their demographic. you did amazing describing this moment!
In a way, the Absolutely Safe Capsule is an entire universe unto itself, which is exactly what Pokey wanted. All alone, isolated from anyone who doesn't like him.
Which is everyone he knows
Porky's fate reminds me or the epilog from "I Have No Mouth and I Must Scream" Porky isn't free and he is tortured because of his own doing, sure the guy from the book is more of a hero and Porky is a villain but they both suffer a terrible fate due to their own doing
The ASC is no joke. No clipping into the backrooms is NO WHERE near as terrible as the ASC
Itoi has said this too, however, I'd argue that Porky has gotten exactly what he's wanted all this time. A world in which everyone who hates him is gone. It's just him with him, now...
Knowing Porky has lost all chances of redemption, having cause suffering to many eras during his time travels, and needlessly causing untold suffering into the last remnants of humanity in the Nowhere Islands, what he had got himself into at the end is exactly what he wanted as he believes humanity are a mess of a species who kept on repeating their mistakes and it's fun for him to see them inflict themselves with needless suffering and eventually became extinct with himself being the only one left which is an absolute win for him, doesn't care that he is trapped within the ASC for all eternity.
It would be, if Porky wasn't so far gone that he genuinely prefers eternal isolation.
This game is dark without crossing that line into “edgy”. Dark for the sake of being dark or thinking making something morbid inherently makes it deeper. Every dark moment in Mother has a purpose
Eventually after years of isolation, the only memory that Porky will retain will be his isolation at the capsule.
I think he'll retreat into his own mind and live in a dream state, "living" by scenarios that his subconscious provides. I mean, "Oleander" is all about it! After Big Bang happend, universe and his mind will start to fuse. It was only a matter of time how long this fusion will go. He made his little world in his head, Ouija, where most of the characters, locations and objects were based of those that Pokey saw in Mother 3 and Earthbound. He meets a traumatized boy, named Travis, who's brother died being hitted by a car when Travis was six. Now Travis is 12-years-old. Pokey lets him go into Ouija, and see Tomas, Travis' dead brother again. Travis, thinking that will let him stay in Ouija forever, hangs himself and lets Ouija spread onto Earth like an infection.
pokey got kars'd
Porky stopped thinking
SONO CHI NO SADAME
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOJO
“We have decided to...convey you to somewhere where you can do no possible harm, and where no harm can come to you." -gman
While thematically it is certainly a terrible punishment from a narrative perspective it is the pinnacle of Dr. Andronauts' cowardice. The good doctor was the cornerstone of all of Porky's destruction and conquest since all he had to his name was a Walker Mech at the end of mother 2. He created so many abominations for Porky to play with and the only hand he played in defiance of that madman was to booby trap his final backup plan. Considering he would have had to be in beaten already to use it It was really only existing as an ego slap to the face on the part of the Doctor than any actual effort to stop him but of course he walks away without taking any responsibility for the travesties that he committed.
I mean he was kidnapped and likely would have been killed if he didn't comply. I don't blame him.
@@polocatfanwell I do blame him what's clear with the dungeon man fiasco is that he had a fascination with pushing the boundaries of science so it's pretty clear that his deal with Porky was more mutual than he implies to Lucas and maybe what he did with Klaus might have pushed him over the edge Because he was reminded of Jeff but that doesn't erase everything else he did and I'm sure even he knew that his life wasn't worth the suffering he was causing
I like the idea that Claud’s helmet was a new version of the devils machine Porky made, and he was trying to recreate a new entity of evil, since Porky himself could never use PSI.
What a way to...Live. He cant die and he cannot leave. He will basically be an immortal being stuck inside of an inescapable cylinder for the rest of eternity.
This isn't living, it's surviving.
I thought it was a sphere
The creator of Mother 3 said that Porky will still be in there after the sun explodes
@@MikeTyson-ft8nq we watched the same thing.
@@MikeTyson-ft8nq Yeah but he'll eventually die when the entire universe no longer has any energy to transfer and the stars cool, causing all life to cease to exist eventually.
(See: Heat Death of the Universe)
Plenty of media has touched on living forever being horrible... it's another thing entirely to live forever in a featureless 10ft sphere. I keep seeing stories about an immortal person outliving their loved ones and becoming depressed... but Porky/Pokey doesn't even have the luxury of knowing what happens as time goes on. He can't do anything or go anywhere or talk to anyone. He'll just... exist. Forever.
...Holy fuck.
And that is the terror I got from the backrooms creepypasta.
Until they started adding monsters and levels.
@@kamikeserpentail3778
Yeah I do admit that the thing that made the backrooms scary in the first place was the "unknown" factor-a monster right in front of you is kinda scary, but a monster that you don't know the location of is terrifying-and not being certain if there even IS a monster in the first place would be even worse.
I don't think immortality factors into the backrooms though-as far as I know you'd just die of thirst after a few days. Is there a part of the lore that I'm missing?
The concept of heaven suffers a similar horror: an all-consuming inescapable boredom after every possible action is repeated to the point of pointlessness.
I really dislike the sentiment that an eternity nessecarily devolves to boredom of everything.
People repeat actions anyway because they enjoy them repetition doesn't nessecitate boredom.
You can play the same sport for several years even an entire lifetime (even a solo sport) and still find it enjoying to play another time.
People eat the same food they've had often, they see media they've seen often, they reminisce on memories often.
Add to that we do not have the capability to hold everything in our brains.
We will forget things and it'll appear novel again.
The space of creative exploration is much bigger than what our brains can hold even merely restricting ourself to text (and not images or collections of images and sounds or collections of images sounds and interactions), there's more literature than a single person can consume and more possibe literature than the amount of information we can store in our heads.
You assume you’ll even have the desire to do anything. Truth be told, if it’s a true paradise, you will enjoy an eternity of nothing and be completely fine with it. You wont be bored because you will be free from the concept of desire.
@@theresnothinghere1745 yeah, that's kinda fitting.
However, the real problems begin when a person's mind will start breaking from living too long(however, in "heaven" That's probably not possible, unlike infinite life)
Eternal boredom probably won't happen, but lack of anything new will. At some incomprehensibly far point nothing will really feel new, just the same stuff that you've seen several quintillion years ago with a new look...
@@shawermus A person's mind breaking from living to long isn't a thing outisde of a side effect of aging.
If you're somehow living forever that won't just happen from living too long as you'll eventually die from it, it needs another cause that's enhanced by a long life.
"lack of anything new will"
My second point was that people severely overestimate a human's potential to hold information. Especially when we compare it to the wealth of information available.
New will still exist because you will not be able to hold in memory everything you've ever done. You will forget and forgetting creates the capability to learn.
Doubly so if we talk about things just 'feeling' new because the human body isn't that objective in its perception of the world.
Something you've already done before can 'feel' new or fresh when you just haven't done it in a bit.
Man, this is terrifying... Just imagining his fate and how this might feel like gives me massive creeps along my entire spine...
Porky not being able to die is part of himself, that's not an aspect of the device. If anyone else got trapped in there theyd die from hunger and thirst like normal
No they wouldn't; remember, it's ABSOLUTELY safe. Any risk of starvation or dying of thirst would compromise the capsule's safety.
@@F1areon It was designed specifically to keep PORKY absolutely safe, and to keep the universe absolutely safe from Porky.
Death would have been too merciful. He absolutely got what he deserved
I don't feel bad when i think what happened to him in Mother 3, but i do feel when i think about him as a kid in EB. He's just a kid at that point and i just wonder how he would react knowing his end. I like to think the shock is so big he would choose to give up on stoping Ness or even to take on Gyigas itself out of refusal
I know that if I somehow became aware that my current life path would lead me to a fate like the ASC, I'd do everything I could to avoid it. Even if it meant fighting an eldritch abomination like Giygas alone with my bare hands.
I now just realized that Lucas’ upsmash in smash bros is him pulling a needle 🤯
And one of his victory screens
Imagine being alone for a meaningless quantity of time with only yourself and your thoughts, no way to tell what is happening outside, even through the end of the of the universe and the start of another one. Even if the capsule is discovered by some other intelligent race, you would never know, and they would never get inside to let you know.
Absolute.
Safety.
Porky never wanted to face punishment for what he did, everything he did. In this sense, he got away with everything he ever did, not facing the consequences ever. Thing is, he just self imprisoned himself.
Unless that race has advanced enough technology to be able to open the capsule. Any race that is able to travel to Earth to find the capsule in the first place will be far more advanced than humanity.