Technically he doesn't "shape-shift" per say.. it's more like "take on a different appearance or life or whatever of this particular face for this and this much time until next regeneration" when injured
In some ways, the Doctor is a shapeshifter. However, if they pretend to be someone, each of the Doctors is always the Doctor. A different face, character, habits, tastes, but it is always the same mind.
He's a shapeshifter full stop. A shapeshifter is just any organism that can change form whether that is limited or into anything else. So even if he is just transforming into other humanoid forms its still shapeshifting.
The op is correct. The Doctor is a shapeshifter (a being who changes physical form), but they are Not a Shape Shifter (a Chulder - a being who changes into the form of their victim to entertain itself with the emotional drama of the victim’s former life).
Oh, definitely. The last few have certainly been very badly pretending to be the Doctor. The real Doctor died with his twelfth incarnation, at a stretch. Perhaps even his seventh, to be honest. The revived series started off a bit off and got worse from there with a couple of exceptions. I’m hoping one day it will be revealed that this was all an imposter and we can pick up where Seven left off.
But since the thing was made to kill a chuldur (something that is weaker then the doctor) then it wouldn’t be able to kill the doctor and as the other commenter said, he is a bounty hunter, so there wouldn’t be any incentive to kill the doctor
@@guilhermecarlinisampaio8329yea may not kill him instantly and make it so he doesn’t regenerate he would still likely regenerate as it’s a killing force but depends how strong the force is
Kind funny in retrospect how the Doctor made a device (that goes ding) to identify shapeshifters back in Day of the Doctor. He probably programmed it to exclude timelords but still
I mean that is an interesting way of looking at it I mean by definition one would've thought of that about the Dr long ago but I think most people think of a shape-shifter as able to do it on the spot like Mystique from Xmen
@@HOTD108_ still a timelord. wouldnt be the first time their was multiple doctors walking around. yet still on the same timeline best example. war doctor. he dies before any of the other doctors we ever see yet hes met men of them in their time. remember time ant straight for the doctor. hasent been for a vary vary long time
I love how the Doctor says Gallifrey is both “lost and fallen”. I think it implies the fact that Gallifrey’s fate is open to interpretation or that the door is still open for the Time Lords to return despite Gallifrey being destroyed again.
I always felt that the Time Lords mostly got away from the Master’s Cybermen and are a scattered species. Friend has a theory that Ms. Flood is a Time Lady sent to find the Doctor across his Time Stream like Clara did herself. I think this would be an interesting goal for the Doctor. Find the survivors to help them.
There is also the group that Left Gallifrey with Rassilon when the 12th Doctor kicked him out. So there is sure to be some running around the Universe.
I like to see it as a reincarnation. Reborn somewhere else after a natural death, with the same soul, but in a timelord's case, the body a reconstructed into something new.
@@Elipson52008 Bit more than your average regeneration tho. For timelords, each regen seems like an entirely new person. I know, it's to explain away the recasting thing, but that's my thoughts on it.
@@lifeoflonexia496 Which is what I said. They seem like a new person, but they're in the same spot, rather than somewhere else in the whoniverse. Maybe, 14th or 10th's hand becoming it's own person is different, but yeah.
This was such a cool scene, and I really hope we see Rogue again, him and the Doctor were amazing together! Also it made me smile seeing 13 and Fugitive amongst the lineup of past Doctors for the first time (plus Richard E Grant!!)
I think its pretty cool they finally added Richard E. Grant's Shalka Doctor into the canon..... however at the same time how would it make sense in terms of regeneration? We see McGann becomes Hurt and Hurt becomes Eccleston....so how are we supposed to add Grant into the timeline?
@9nikolai you can see his eyes when he regenerates. They definitely used a picture of Chris Eccleston for that shot (you can see his eyes for sure and he even mentioned "the ears" of course they're referring to Eccleston
@@TokuRewinds The "ears" is clearly a reference yeah, but not really evidence that Hurt regenerated into Eccleston. I didn't know the eyes changed though. That messes it up a bit :(
In between the 2nd and 3rd doctor alongside Jo Martin and perhaps others. People would disagree with me but actually it makes perfect sense and doesn't disrespect the legendary William Hartnell as he is the first doctor and everything that happened before was during the timeless child timeline.
To be fair, the Doctor is canonically a rubbish Time Lord. They can't control their regenerations as well as others like the Master or Romana, and barely graduated the academy in the first place.
I can't believe I missed that Richard E. Grant reference when I first saw this episode. That raises so many questions that I doubt will ever be answered.
This scene didn't really make sense. How does The Doctor showing all his old faces somehow prove he's *not* a shapeshifter? If anything it does the opposite. Still a good scene though.
I guess it's more of a lifecycle thing than what a conventional shapeshifter is expected to do (which is change on command). A technicality? Like I wouldn't call me turning from an embryo into an adult over the course of 30 years shapeshifting
Because if it was able to scan him and give definitive forms that is on like a structural, definitional in terms of like how the bounty hunting I guess works difference, because a shapeshifter would be a nondescript amorphous thing taking other forms super visually. It's more than once referred to that the doctor fully becomes a new person just with the same goals & relatively same virtues
Everything else aside, he's _The Doctor._ If whoever he works for has *any* competence at all, at least one of those faces is going to spark a memory about a "do not mess with this guy" warning.
The Shalka Doctor/COFD 10th Doctor is somehow canon now or it’s the result of the Great Intelligence displacing himself all over the Doctor’s time stream.
@@stephenmurphy2212RTD talked about it at SDCC, it is indeed a reference to the Shalka Doctor! He intentionally left it vague on whether it's canon though, I believe he said "it belongs to you [the fans], it's what you want it to be."
Why exactly was this bounty hunter changing his mind after he saw the other faces of the doctor when we only saw the faces in the scene and the bit that the doctor said? Was there additional information that only this bounty hunter could see from the hologrammes?
He really doesn't feel like The Doctor. I can't put my finger on it, but it really doesn't feel like I'm watching any of the previous doctors reflected within him. All the other doctors at some point, in some way, reflected their previous reincarnations. The knowledge, memories, experiences, regret and skills. Here, it's like they've wiped the slate clean of The Doctor, and brought in Disco Who. I don't like it.
Richard E Grant’s shalka doctor canon? I wouldn’t be too mad at that. The scene was good tho as it’s kind of similar to the eleventh hour scene when the 11th doctor revealed his full outfit after all the doctor’s appeared. This scene from rogue is an updated version I would say. Edit. Theory - Richard E Grant’s incarnation could be another incarnation alongside Jo Martin that is in between the 2nd and 3rd doctors and may not specifically be the shalka doctor but maybe inspired from that.
shalka doc *can* be canon thanks to the toymaker's line "made a jigsaw out of your history" but it's worth noting that RTD's stated intention was not about canonizing it so much as having a laugh - the two aren't mutually exclusive but it probably means we're not getting a deeper exploration of this reveal
@@rocketguardian2001 that is also something RTD chooses to believe but has intentionally not made canon as of yet. he says he has a "theory" (weird way to put it for a writer/showrunner) that the bi-generation is retroactive to all previous regenerations, making every past doctor retroactively still alive wherever they left off my guess is he's intentionally avoided canonizing that because it struggles to make much sense in practice and probably creates more problems than any existing plot point if canonized
I never really heard of this Doctor Who before as I usually known the other Doctors like David Tennant,Pete Capaldi, and Richard E. Grant in other roles, mostly voice roles in movies,animated movies, and shows etc. but I guess seeing their cameos in this Doctor Who show is pretty cool. Did Tom Baker also appear as a cameo in this too? I also heard he was a Doctor in Doctor Who too but I usually known him as the voice of Zeebad in The Magic Roundabout (2005) lol.
Somehow the Shalka Doctor/The C.O.F.D 10th Doctor is canon now or it’s the result of Dr Simeon/The Great Intelligence entering the Doctor’s time stream.
So Richard E. Grant being there means the Shalka Doctor is canon, but How? he was the original 9th Doctor but that’s since long been retconned, McGann regenerated into Hurt, then he regenerated into Eccleston so where does he fit in?
The Doctor’s appearance alters but her/his personality also changes and that is not (my definition) of a shapeshifter. Regeneration is a new lease of life.
Changeling is a better term and better means of detection. My shape has shifted enough times over the decades that I'd definitely give that device a false positive 😂
Didn’t end it? Sure. Numbers don’t lie. His numbers are so bad if Disney wasn’t paying for this train wreck it would have been over. The only reason he’s getting a season 2 is because it was already agreed to and paid for
@@koro_kokoro his numbers are not bad, they're worse then they used to be but that doesn't make them bad. There's a lot of shoes pulling far less viewers and getting a lot of seasons and having strong fanbases And the show has fewer viewers because the writers are fucking it up but Ncuti, he has done a PHENOMINAL job playing the doctor, the story is just bad. Make it worse that the show is trying to evolve with the times but the fanbase is largely an older audience, there aren't many new, younger people getting into doctor who which is the communities fault not the writers or actors because as someone who's been watching since David Tenants era I can safely say that the Doctor Who community both 1. HATES CHANGE (which is ironic since the entire shows underlying plot is always about channel) and 2. Gatekeeps the show like crazy
@@koro_kokoro every single time we get a new doctor someone says this bullshit. "Cope harder" I gave you valid, logical counter arguments that can be proven with ten to fifteen minutes of reaearch. Your argument is just "my opinion is right and you're wrong. Listen to me because I am right" Cromwell's rule?it's a ruked coined by statistician Dennis Lindley which states that the use of prior probabilities of 1 "the event will definitely occur" or 0 "the event will definitely not occur" should be avoided it's based on the quote by Oliver Cromwell which states "I beseech you in the bowels of Christ think it possible that you may be mistaken" basically. Stop talking about this in absolutes because you are not god, you cannot know for 100% certainty what will happen and considering that the show is renewed for another season it looks like you'll be very wrong
I love moments like these where we get to see all the previous doctors. When Richard E. Grant's face appeared between Hartnell and Tom Baker. That was a fun surprise!
I think they did random order so that they could include Grant and the Fugitive doctor without making any establishments of where they are in the timeline. If they did it canonically they’d have to make the decision of where Grant and Martin lay in the timeline
@@alexandertelson3713 Wow. Didn't know that one was actually canon. Now that I recognize him I see Dr. Simeon. Too bad they didn't throw in Rowan Atkinson from "Curse of Fatal Death."
I still say the black female doctor is one of the masters regens and thd timeless child is actually the master, and when he found out used it to mess with the doctors head, have him question who and what he was, also killing the only people who could spoil his plan the timelords
Probably not, considering Disney jut got sued for Rogue One by a "close friend" of his, claiming reproducing his likeness infringes a contract he signed with him. But he most likely just wants to compensate for the failure of his own production company which never went big, basically only did 6 movies in the 70s and 80s. It's always the companies we mostly never heard about. So they kinda dodged a bullet here.
DOCTOR: You know, if you really are going to spy on me, you really should turn the speaker off. MASTER: (What?) Err, my dear Doctor, after our many centuries of conflict, naturally I wished you to know that your certain death is now... CERTAIN! MAWHAHAHAHHA!!!
why does this save the doctor though, if anything it makes him look more guilty as from the bounty hunter guys perspective it makes the Doctor look like he's murdered so many people to steal their form
@@RoboDoesEdits I mean it doesn’t need to be…it’s kind of obvious he isn’t the type of shapeshifter Rogue is looking for, as viewers we also already know this so him explaining so heavily would just take up time when he already said he is a Lord Of Time.
@robodoesedits8666 Rouge literally explains that his machine detects Shape-Shifter DNA. Since the Doctor is a timelord, it set it off. However, until the Doctor showed off all his faces and confirmed he was a Time Lord, Rouge realized he wasn't the bird monster that he was hired to find
Sorry this isn't about this clip it's a question me mum asked and I don't think we got an actually answer does anyone know why Ruby kept making it snow
"Let's do Captain Jack again, but this time we are going to make the romantic connection between him and the doctor explicit and two way and we are going to hire an actor who hopefully doesn't think that getting his Silurian out in public constitutes a joke." Russell T Davis...Probably at some point.
The Doctor is not really a shape-shifter yes he changes his face whenever he dies when he regenerates but I never really considered it shape-shifting I feel that's something a being can do anytime they like but with the Doctor it's not the case.
Does anyone know that stories the faces are from?: I know- 6 is Attack of the Cybermen, 8 is TV Movie, 10 is The Next Doctor, War is from The Day of the Doctor and 15 is Boom but i'm having trouble with the others
This story was never meant for Captain Jack at any point. A whirlwind story arc needs characters who haven't met yet. Not characters who've known each other for centuries. Otherwise it's not a whirlwind romance.
@@spaceboomer564 that’s not the point. They created a Captain Jack-like character because they can’t bring John Barrowman back due to the allegations made against him three years ago, even though he claims those allegations were blown out of proportions.
“I’m not a shape-shifter, now look at all the faces I’ve had!”
He is the slowest shape-shifter in the known universe, then! Usually takes YEARS!
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I'm not a shape shifter, I'm a shape shift sometimes
@@subman23Sounds like you're a shape shifter.
Technically he doesn't "shape-shift" per say.. it's more like "take on a different appearance or life or whatever of this particular face for this and this much time until next regeneration" when injured
In some ways, the Doctor is a shapeshifter. However, if they pretend to be someone, each of the Doctors is always the Doctor. A different face, character, habits, tastes, but it is always the same mind.
He's a shapeshifter full stop. A shapeshifter is just any organism that can change form whether that is limited or into anything else. So even if he is just transforming into other humanoid forms its still shapeshifting.
You're just describing a shapeshifter... The definition of a shapeshifter is someone who can change their physical form.
@@JordoF6All time lords are shape shifters. They just do it verrrry slowly unless something fatal happends
The op is correct. The Doctor is a shapeshifter (a being who changes physical form), but they are Not a Shape Shifter (a Chulder - a being who changes into the form of their victim to entertain itself with the emotional drama of the victim’s former life).
Oh, definitely. The last few have certainly been very badly pretending to be the Doctor. The real Doctor died with his twelfth incarnation, at a stretch. Perhaps even his seventh, to be honest. The revived series started off a bit off and got worse from there with a couple of exceptions. I’m hoping one day it will be revealed that this was all an imposter and we can pick up where Seven left off.
"I'm something older, and much more powerful" What I'm hearing is it's even more important he be killed since he's much more of a threat
Rogue is a bounty hunter, hes doing it for pay
But since the thing was made to kill a chuldur (something that is weaker then the doctor) then it wouldn’t be able to kill the doctor and as the other commenter said, he is a bounty hunter, so there wouldn’t be any incentive to kill the doctor
@@guilhermecarlinisampaio8329yea may not kill him instantly and make it so he doesn’t regenerate he would still likely regenerate as it’s a killing force but depends how strong the force is
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It's kinda hilarious how David Tennant (14th) appears a few seconds after David Tennant (10th) here xD
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No first is 10 and after is 14
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Oh, you're right, misspelling, sorry
I find it weird that the picture they used for 14 isn't actually 14, it's a random picture of david tennant 😂😂
@@CarbonKrazie
I thought I was the only one who saw it, like, weird xD I mean, the hair doesn't even match
Kind funny in retrospect how the Doctor made a device (that goes ding) to identify shapeshifters back in Day of the Doctor. He probably programmed it to exclude timelords but still
I mean that is an interesting way of looking at it I mean by definition one would've thought of that about the Dr long ago but I think most people think of a shape-shifter as able to do it on the spot like Mystique from Xmen
YOU try finding something in a dimensionally transcendental ship
@@cowboyquebecanimations3068 Time Lords are shape shifters. They just do it verryyyy slowly unless something fatal happends
@@tuckerbowen4626like the swimming pool?
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Technically the doctors a reincarnator. He has to ‘die’ to shift
Tell that to 14, last seen sipping some tea in Donna's garden.
@@HOTD108_ still a timelord. wouldnt be the first time their was multiple doctors walking around. yet still on the same timeline
best example. war doctor. he dies before any of the other doctors we ever see yet hes met men of them in their time.
remember time ant straight for the doctor. hasent been for a vary vary long time
@@HOTD108_ I'm still not entirely convinced 14 isn't just the culmination of 10 and 12 having an identity crisis
Legend has it Paul Cornell has this scene on repeat in every TV in his house to this day...
And Dimmeh Looming
I love how the Doctor says Gallifrey is both “lost and fallen”. I think it implies the fact that Gallifrey’s fate is open to interpretation or that the door is still open for the Time Lords to return despite Gallifrey being destroyed again.
I always felt that the Time Lords mostly got away from the Master’s Cybermen and are a scattered species. Friend has a theory that Ms. Flood is a Time Lady sent to find the Doctor across his Time Stream like Clara did herself.
I think this would be an interesting goal for the Doctor. Find the survivors to help them.
There is also the group that Left Gallifrey with Rassilon when the 12th Doctor kicked him out. So there is sure to be some running around the Universe.
@@Bishopbosco There's also the Sisterhood of Karn.
We only saw the main citadel’s city destroyed. There’s still an entire planet.
@@kaizoisevil the Doctor said all life there was destroyed when Ko Sharmus pressed the detonate button.
The psychic paper playing wingman to the doctor 😂😂😂
Now that the Shalka doctor is canon, I feel we are only one step away from the Curse of Fatal Death being canonised
Aren't all deaths fatal...?
@@lm-cv9qb No, that's why some people can come back from it.
I think he should mention his regeneration, because shapeshifters don’t come back to life.
I like to see it as a reincarnation. Reborn somewhere else after a natural death, with the same soul, but in a timelord's case, the body a reconstructed into something new.
@@Red_MOON187 yea, thats regeneration.
@@Red_MOON187 Timelords aren't reborn somewhere else though, they regenerate on the spot
@@Elipson52008 Bit more than your average regeneration tho. For timelords, each regen seems like an entirely new person.
I know, it's to explain away the recasting thing, but that's my thoughts on it.
@@lifeoflonexia496 Which is what I said. They seem like a new person, but they're in the same spot, rather than somewhere else in the whoniverse.
Maybe, 14th or 10th's hand becoming it's own person is different, but yeah.
This was such a cool scene, and I really hope we see Rogue again, him and the Doctor were amazing together! Also it made me smile seeing 13 and Fugitive amongst the lineup of past Doctors for the first time (plus Richard E Grant!!)
Jonathan Groff is Amazing, and the playful chemistry Rogue and the Doctor had was too good to be left as one-off episode!
@@lisa_wistfulone7957 agreed!!
Really a shame they didn't show 8 though
@@hazmat7949 they did show 8, all of the main Doctors plus Fugitive, War and Grant are there.
@@hazmat7949 McGann appears at 1:47
This is the moment I accepted him as the Doctor, just like how I accepted Capaldi when my favorite Doctor called Clara.
man i miss matt smith so much i wish they would bring him back
“I am not a shape shifter. Okay MAYBE I Shapeshift”
I like how it's not only the 15th doctor but all the incarnate we seen so far like the war doctor and the fugitive doctor
I think its pretty cool they finally added Richard E. Grant's Shalka Doctor into the canon..... however at the same time how would it make sense in terms of regeneration? We see McGann becomes Hurt and Hurt becomes Eccleston....so how are we supposed to add Grant into the timeline?
We don't actually see Hurt become Eccleston so there could be some shenanigans there I suppose
@9nikolai you can see his eyes when he regenerates. They definitely used a picture of Chris Eccleston for that shot (you can see his eyes for sure and he even mentioned "the ears" of course they're referring to Eccleston
Pre Hartnell, Season 6b, future incarnation, remnant of the Great Intelligence in series 7, time war shenanigans, parallel timeline, bigeneration, etc
@@TokuRewinds The "ears" is clearly a reference yeah, but not really evidence that Hurt regenerated into Eccleston.
I didn't know the eyes changed though. That messes it up a bit :(
In between the 2nd and 3rd doctor alongside Jo Martin and perhaps others. People would disagree with me but actually it makes perfect sense and doesn't disrespect the legendary William Hartnell as he is the first doctor and everything that happened before was during the timeless child timeline.
Time Lords, since the Time War, have been able to regenerate into _anything_ that is necessary. No matter how short and unpleasant that might be.
To be fair, the Doctor is canonically a rubbish Time Lord. They can't control their regenerations as well as others like the Master or Romana, and barely graduated the academy in the first place.
@@techno1561 Well, I'd argue that he's an idiot savant by Time Lord standards.
@@Cailus3542I wouldn't say that. He's just the survivor. His determination and grit is far beyond his peers except maybe the master.
I can't believe I missed that Richard E. Grant reference when I first saw this episode. That raises so many questions that I doubt will ever be answered.
For now we can attribute it to being the Toymaker's meddling with the Doctor's history
This scene didn't really make sense. How does The Doctor showing all his old faces somehow prove he's *not* a shapeshifter? If anything it does the opposite.
Still a good scene though.
I guess it's more of a lifecycle thing than what a conventional shapeshifter is expected to do (which is change on command). A technicality? Like I wouldn't call me turning from an embryo into an adult over the course of 30 years shapeshifting
Because none of them are bird shaped, and if those are all his faces then that means he's not a chuldur.
Because if it was able to scan him and give definitive forms that is on like a structural, definitional in terms of like how the bounty hunting I guess works difference, because a shapeshifter would be a nondescript amorphous thing taking other forms super visually. It's more than once referred to that the doctor fully becomes a new person just with the same goals & relatively same virtues
Everything else aside, he's _The Doctor._ If whoever he works for has *any* competence at all, at least one of those faces is going to spark a memory about a "do not mess with this guy" warning.
This moment with every new doctor *ALWAYS* gets me hyped. Love seeing his/her latest face next to their latest face
"It says you're hot"
"Does it? I’m sorry no it’s broken it’s…"
“Is it that I’m hot or you’re hot? Who’s hot, Doctor?"
" It means the temperature... "
"Suits you, flustered. Good look. You should try it more often."
"Says the man about to kill me."
Two of these Doctors have been seen drinking together in The Mother Black Cap
Based Withnail and I reference is based
Doctor rolled a nat 20 on persuasion.
That line about the new boss is 100% a checkov's gun
The 3rd Doctor still is from Dimensions in Time, so i guess that means its canon?
Brilliant moment, I hope we see more of Rogue. Fantastic!
transsexual rogue
I swear we're only a year or so off from RTD making Peter Cushing canon because he finds it funny.
Next thing we know Rowan Atkinson is a canon Doctor
I think in canon the Peter Cushing movies are movies in universe made by Ian. That's what I've heard anyway.
Well you can probably scratch that now that Disney got sued for Rogue One.
@@MuchWhittering I said that, but as funny as that would be, probably not given chapmike’s point
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0:32 " new _boss_ " you say🤨🤔
what do you mean by this🤔🤔 maybe the master?
@@mell_mania "The boss" being mentioned by the Meep at the end of the Star Beast. It remains to be seen.
@@stark_harshly OHH
Thanks for so special and valuable video as always ❤❤❤
"It's says your hot?" Ha, come on Doc, calm down.
Richard Grant?? 😊
The doctor was probably wondering why that one face the Great Intelligence used once showed up (if he could see the holograms)
The Shalka Doctor/COFD 10th Doctor is somehow canon now or it’s the result of the Great Intelligence displacing himself all over the Doctor’s time stream.
I kinda hope Grant returns as the would’ve been Ninth Doctor. Explore the idea of divergening timelines like DBZ did.
That particular ‘unbound’ incarnation is more than likely canon now due to the toymaker’s infernal meddling with the doctor’s time line!
@@stephenmurphy2212RTD talked about it at SDCC, it is indeed a reference to the Shalka Doctor! He intentionally left it vague on whether it's canon though, I believe he said "it belongs to you [the fans], it's what you want it to be."
I know Russell said that Including Richard in the line up is just a joke, but I highly doubt that he doesn't have plans.
Don't know about that, but he definitely is an uphill gardener
The Silence were probably there also but nobody remembered them being there.
Who Is the face after William hartnells? It looks like the great intelligence
Shalka Doctor
I think rogue would fit in with torchwood! And a perfect BF for captain jack
Captain Jack's actor is kind of a bad dude. He made a big joke out of flashing other people, so he's kind of been ousted
@@benjammin5328 who cares keep him on there he's iconic
Murray Gold always hits the right note. This scene is made so much more powerful with his score.
what have the doctor who become...
the only great part about this reboot is that they brought capaldis face back for a few seconds. Dw when it was still relevant for me
Why exactly was this bounty hunter changing his mind after he saw the other faces of the doctor when we only saw the faces in the scene and the bit that the doctor said? Was there additional information that only this bounty hunter could see from the hologrammes?
Glad to see Richard E. Grant get some love. Shalka was some of the methadone that helped us through Doctor withdrawal.
He really doesn't feel like The Doctor. I can't put my finger on it, but it really doesn't feel like I'm watching any of the previous doctors reflected within him. All the other doctors at some point, in some way, reflected their previous reincarnations. The knowledge, memories, experiences, regret and skills. Here, it's like they've wiped the slate clean of The Doctor, and brought in Disco Who. I don't like it.
we've had stuff like this for every doctor since Pertwee, give it a rest
Who’s between William Hartnell and Tom Baker?
Richard E. Grant
Richard E Grant’s shalka doctor canon? I wouldn’t be too mad at that.
The scene was good tho as it’s kind of similar to the eleventh hour scene when the 11th doctor revealed his full outfit after all the doctor’s appeared. This scene from rogue is an updated version I would say.
Edit. Theory - Richard E Grant’s incarnation could be another incarnation alongside Jo Martin that is in between the 2nd and 3rd doctors and may not specifically be the shalka doctor but maybe inspired from that.
shalka doc *can* be canon thanks to the toymaker's line "made a jigsaw out of your history" but it's worth noting that RTD's stated intention was not about canonizing it so much as having a laugh - the two aren't mutually exclusive but it probably means we're not getting a deeper exploration of this reveal
@@KaliahSheDevil Yeah, with Bi-generation, there are a lot of possibilities. It would explain the Remembered Tardis Sequences (which were amazing).
@@rocketguardian2001 that is also something RTD chooses to believe but has intentionally not made canon as of yet. he says he has a "theory" (weird way to put it for a writer/showrunner) that the bi-generation is retroactive to all previous regenerations, making every past doctor retroactively still alive wherever they left off
my guess is he's intentionally avoided canonizing that because it struggles to make much sense in practice and probably creates more problems than any existing plot point if canonized
I never really heard of this Doctor Who before as I usually known the other Doctors like David Tennant,Pete Capaldi, and Richard E. Grant in other roles, mostly voice roles in movies,animated movies, and shows etc. but I guess seeing their cameos in this Doctor Who show is pretty cool.
Did Tom Baker also appear as a cameo in this too? I also heard he was a Doctor in Doctor Who too but I usually known him as the voice of Zeebad in The Magic Roundabout (2005) lol.
This is 15s "Im the doctor" moment
Somehow the Shalka Doctor/The C.O.F.D 10th Doctor is canon now or it’s the result of Dr Simeon/The Great Intelligence entering the Doctor’s time stream.
Needs an image of Peter Cushing
How the hell did a bunch of faces of different people prove he wasn't a shapeshifter hahahaha
It didn't, it just proved he wasn't a chuldur
@@xxmension04xx47 isn't a chuldur a sharpshooter who steals the body of others to look like them
So Richard E. Grant being there means the Shalka Doctor is canon, but How? he was the original 9th Doctor but that’s since long been retconned, McGann regenerated into Hurt, then he regenerated into Eccleston so where does he fit in?
Timeless child stuff im guessing
the toymaker said he toyed with his history, guessing its cannon and not cannon simultaneously? a retcon-in-universe
The Doctor’s appearance alters but her/his personality also changes and that is not (my definition) of a shapeshifter.
Regeneration is a new lease of life.
But it still changes their body, and they can canonicaly do it on command.
Changeling is a better term and better means of detection. My shape has shifted enough times over the decades that I'd definitely give that device a false positive 😂
I miss the old doctor who
That "wow" sounded so much like "yeah i dont care"
Much like the audience who used to love doctor who… wonder how this guy will feel knowing he ended it
Didn’t end it? Sure. Numbers don’t lie. His numbers are so bad if Disney wasn’t paying for this train wreck it would have been over. The only reason he’s getting a season 2 is because it was already agreed to and paid for
@@koro_kokoro his numbers are not bad, they're worse then they used to be but that doesn't make them bad. There's a lot of shoes pulling far less viewers and getting a lot of seasons and having strong fanbases
And the show has fewer viewers because the writers are fucking it up but Ncuti, he has done a PHENOMINAL job playing the doctor, the story is just bad. Make it worse that the show is trying to evolve with the times but the fanbase is largely an older audience, there aren't many new, younger people getting into doctor who which is the communities fault not the writers or actors because as someone who's been watching since David Tenants era I can safely say that the Doctor Who community both 1. HATES CHANGE (which is ironic since the entire shows underlying plot is always about channel) and 2. Gatekeeps the show like crazy
@@MoonlitPhoenix0 cope harder. he's going to have the distinction of being the last doctor and the one to end a legacy
@@koro_kokoro every single time we get a new doctor someone says this bullshit. "Cope harder" I gave you valid, logical counter arguments that can be proven with ten to fifteen minutes of reaearch. Your argument is just "my opinion is right and you're wrong. Listen to me because I am right" Cromwell's rule?it's a ruked coined by statistician Dennis Lindley which states that the use of prior probabilities of 1 "the event will definitely occur" or 0 "the event will definitely not occur" should be avoided it's based on the quote by Oliver Cromwell which states "I beseech you in the bowels of Christ think it possible that you may be mistaken" basically. Stop talking about this in absolutes because you are not god, you cannot know for 100% certainty what will happen and considering that the show is renewed for another season it looks like you'll be very wrong
So sad seeing my favorite doctor in that rotation.
Which one? Mine's 10
@spinosaurusiii7027 12
Not a fan of The Timeless Child thread but if canonizes Richard E Grant as a genuine incarnation I refuse to be that upset.
New boss, huh? Not a dashingly handsome former time agent, is it?
More Rogue Please!
I love moments like these where we get to see all the previous doctors. When Richard E. Grant's face appeared between Hartnell and Tom Baker. That was a fun surprise!
A very convoluted episode
Yeahhhh but it was a fun one
It’s still me, just with a different face
Should the order of the Doctor's previous faces be in chronological order or randomised like in the episode?
I think they did random order so that they could include Grant and the Fugitive doctor without making any establishments of where they are in the timeline. If they did it canonically they’d have to make the decision of where Grant and Martin lay in the timeline
@@juliang0255 this. It’s just so you can interpret it as you wish.
Who was that between William Hartnell and Tom Baker, because he looks like Christopher Walken. I missed an episode somewhere.
Richard E Grant. Scream of the Shalka
@@alexandertelson3713 Wow. Didn't know that one was actually canon. Now that I recognize him I see Dr. Simeon. Too bad they didn't throw in Rowan Atkinson from "Curse of Fatal Death."
anyone else reminded of "The Eleventh Hour" at the end there?
Difference is this one’s awful
@@koro_kokoro It really isn't, you just need to cope
@@benjammin5328 the one coping is you lot 🤣
@doomedbringer That doesn't make any sense
I love 15 so much. Wish Ruby stayed longer
I still say the black female doctor is one of the masters regens and thd timeless child is actually the master, and when he found out used it to mess with the doctors head, have him question who and what he was, also killing the only people who could spoil his plan the timelords
‘I wanted a joke doctor to include’
What an opportunity you missed RTD! You could’ve used Peter Cushing! Ah well…
Probably not, considering Disney jut got sued for Rogue One by a "close friend" of his, claiming reproducing his likeness infringes a contract he signed with him.
But he most likely just wants to compensate for the failure of his own production company which never went big, basically only did 6 movies in the 70s and 80s.
It's always the companies we mostly never heard about.
So they kinda dodged a bullet here.
@@Chapmike true, very true
Plus, imagine how riled up the fans would get over the ‘canon’ and so
I hope they make a new easter egg for Atkinson's Doctor
DOCTOR: You know, if you really are going to spy on me, you really should turn the speaker off.
MASTER: (What?) Err, my dear Doctor, after our many centuries of conflict, naturally I wished you to know that your certain death is now... CERTAIN! MAWHAHAHAHHA!!!
You just had to pick one of the Shalka frames, didn’t you? ;)
If he is so powerful why was he afraid?
This scene was Hella Awesome!
if the doctor doesn’t find rogue in series 15 im going to kidnap them and force them to find rogue
Rogue* not rouge that’s a colour
Saison 2 not 15
I'd prefer they kept their relationship platonic. The Doctor just keeps collecting wives/husbands at this point.
This doctor always kinda act scared or weak
Alot of doctors have moments like that
why does this save the doctor though, if anything it makes him look more guilty as from the bounty hunter guys perspective it makes the Doctor look like he's murdered so many people to steal their form
No bird face appears
@@Mysteryo-tm7pt they should've explained that
@@RoboDoesEdits I mean it doesn’t need to be…it’s kind of obvious he isn’t the type of shapeshifter Rogue is looking for, as viewers we also already know this so him explaining so heavily would just take up time when he already said he is a Lord Of Time.
@@chazo1367 not convinced
@robodoesedits8666 Rouge literally explains that his machine detects Shape-Shifter DNA. Since the Doctor is a timelord, it set it off. However, until the Doctor showed off all his faces and confirmed he was a Time Lord, Rouge realized he wasn't the bird monster that he was hired to find
Never get tired of the face reveal moments
It’s not so much shape shifting, as it is scientific reincarnation
Sorry this isn't about this clip it's a question me mum asked and I don't think we got an actually answer does anyone know why Ruby kept making it snow
Watch the rest of the show. It's explained
Remind me again why that one girl was after 10 and before 11? I thought we watched that transition
Thats not 10 thats 14 and because is in random order
The regenerations arent in order
Anyone been able to trace which episodes the doctors faces are from? curious more than anything
What episode is this i dont remember watching it on Disney plus
I believe this is called uhhhh “Rouge”
"Let's do Captain Jack again, but this time we are going to make the romantic connection between him and the doctor explicit and two way and we are going to hire an actor who hopefully doesn't think that getting his Silurian out in public constitutes a joke."
Russell T Davis...Probably at some point.
Richard e grant as doctor 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Could be the Shalka Doctor.
Agent Smith 2.0 with the Doc lmao
did he say lord of time? not time lord?
Yeah, he's changing it up. It got a bit boring by now. 😆
Your long form content should get more views
And thats how I met ya dad kids!
The Doctor is not really a shape-shifter yes he changes his face whenever he dies when he regenerates but I never really considered it shape-shifting I feel that's something a being can do anytime they like but with the Doctor it's not the case.
Hold up, is that Jonathan Groff?
That’s what I said!
Yes.
Is that Jonathan Groff?
The Doctor must be quite well known among Bounty Hunters...
They probably say something like "The Doctor? He's either your best ally or your worst enemy, never in-between."
Wait I thought he brought back gallifrey
the Time Lords would never stick around, they're too powerful to not be targeted by the universes' biggest madman
Is that Kristoff?
Does anyone know that stories the faces are from?:
I know- 6 is Attack of the Cybermen, 8 is TV Movie, 10 is The Next Doctor, War is from The Day of the Doctor and 15 is Boom but i'm having trouble with the others
5 is Arc of Infinity I think
Wait the doctor was a woman twice I thought jodi Whitaker was the only female variant
Hello im Richard E Grand , im Canon , What Do I Win?
They created the character Rogue because they can’t bring Captain Jack Harkness back for … reasons.
why not?? :(
@@mell_maniabecause it is dead
This story was never meant for Captain Jack at any point. A whirlwind story arc needs characters who haven't met yet. Not characters who've known each other for centuries. Otherwise it's not a whirlwind romance.
@@spaceboomer564 that’s not the point. They created a Captain Jack-like character because they can’t bring John Barrowman back due to the allegations made against him three years ago, even though he claims those allegations were blown out of proportions.
@@stephenmurphy2212 They were blown out of proportions. By that I mean *he* doesn't think what he did is that bad.
somehow this version of the doctor always seemed bolder than the rest and less eccentric
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