Thank you for testing, Beads! We appreciate the opportunity to help solve the mystery issue. I would like to say, it definitely looks like the product is working, especially in the last few attempts, just not producing the results you are expecting. We will be interested to see you revisit this product in the spring/summer months when temps rise, as we know the latest bottle produces phenomenal results on our end in 50 degree temps, based on the video we shared with you. Thank you for your continued efforts! We do have bulk options available as well, we have 1 Gallon available for $49.99 US, this is your best value option. TOC and Carzilla both have these.
Thank you for supporting me as a customer and acknowledging my results, very professional response to a tough situation. I’ll order a fresh bottle in the summer as well to rule out any possible transit temperature issues as well.
ADS is top notch and a response like this just proves it. I am not a professional, but am an avid enthusiast and your products are nothing short of amazing. Keep up the great work!
@armourdetailsupply Bradley, when testing products do you guys test to see if a product performs it it was heated (left in a hot garage).. then tested if a product was shipped in January to Illinois and was frozen...? I have had issues with cold/frozen and wondered if that was part of your tests too
@@barrybij8079yes we know what ruins every product. Like it or not, every protection based product will be affected (whether it’s small or big) by excess heat, or freezing. It’s just the reality. Some will be affected more than others. We test for all of the above, as well as long term shelf stability. Water based are more sensitive, overall solvent coatings and sealants are better performers and more stable.
Thnx again for all the work you do, must be frustrating trying to do all this with limited time knowing that if you forget something you’ll be picked apart in the comments. I can’t remember if you used this type of product previously on bare paint. To me I like these spray on rinse off as a topper on a ceramic coating that is starting to fade and rims.
Thanks! It’s not too much work, just pushes your time table for other projects you want to tackle. This test was done on bare paint, as I want to rule out other variables.
Thats so odd bc i got ot from ads and when it was still ez beads. It definitely worked for me right away but im also in south carolina with basically the same environment as ADS location I think its def lack of humidity, flucuations in temp during shipping, also i always have to shake those prpducts up really well right before spraying them on and i give it atleast like 30 sec before rinsing.
Respect. When you recognized something was abnormal, you reached out to ADS and Carzilla and started troubleshooting instead of going straight to a bad review. I love seeing the collaboration, keep us updated if you find a root cause Thanks Sheep 🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🦆
Carzilla is just phenomenal, you know how many companies would argue and argue over a bottle of product? Not these guys, something seems off, here’s another bottle let us know if it happens again, amazing place ⭐️
I would have tried this product, but had literally just ordered some hydro2 lite the day before it came out. I have never had a great experience with the spray on rinse off products. I use them solely for wheels and intricate grilles. Other than that they are nearly useless to me. They seem to cause more issues than they help. With streaking or just poor longevity
I bought a bottle on launch day (November) from TOC supplies. It definitely has never been frozen. I haven’t been able to try it out yet though as the weather hasn’t really cooperated since. Remember that Carzilla ships from Alberta. I’m not sure where you are located, but if I ordered it in December or Jan from there it definitely would have frozen in transit. The couriers don’t have heated trailers and they sit out in the cold overnight. I’m guessing yours froze at some point and is (hopefully) the reason for the issues. If that’s the case that is valuable feedback for them and I know they will improve it like they always do.
I have a vid request... i feel like the small ik sprayers were actually made to use a carpet and upholstery cleaner (like carpet bomber) with the dry foam tip to replace the aerosol cans but i never see any one using it like that ... please do a video showing what they were actually designed for🙏
@sheepstardetail the small ik foamer with the dry tip and any high foaming carpet and upholstery cleaner the one i use and would be perfect for the test is ( carpet and upholstery shampoo #204 ) by 3d
When it comes to the world of upholstery there are 2 types of cleaners ones with low foam designed to be used with a extractor and high foaming one designed to be used by hand and my personal opinion is that dry foam is the way to go but that isn't easily achieved unless you have a aerosol can ..... or a ik sprayer with the dry foam tip
@sheepstardetail yes for carpets and upholstery i prefer dry foam and I do it either 2 ways usually I just use a can (tough stuff from Walmart) or i use the product i just referred to in a ik foamer with the dry tip ...I get tired of pumping so I use the can a lot
I noticed when I picked up some Phoenix EOD Titan, they clearly state to NOT let it freeze... I can't imagine in the winter these products aren't freezing.... my money is on that being the issue. I wonder if ADS or these other companies test their products after a freeze?
@sheepstar now our conversation makes more sense, but since we are on the spray on rinse off train, check out fine detailing's built Hamber video where I think the star from that vid is the Touch On sachet topped with Auto Qd which is a fine QD nothing to write home about but the Touch on which I hadn't used before looked like it did a great job so I ordered it from Carzilla and tried it on my Honda Accord and it leaves a very slick protection beads up great and super easy foam on rinse off product its even measured out and it about $3.00 per application so $1000 Canadian Monopoly money. Thought you might light to try it out.
Yeah, this was the context for all my questions. Didn’t want to spoil the video, but I appreciate your feedback. I knew it was working for others which is why I went over it so many times trying to find the root cause for my results. I have seen touch on but I have several spray on rinse off concentrates to get through before I invest in more. You just can’t go wrong with BH it seems.
Thanks for this. I'm not interested in the product (or type of) but this storage and transportation issue has the potential to affect all products........ and then the subsequent testing!
Not surprised. Imho ads does not do enough testing prior to them releasing a new product. IMHO they fake it until they make it. Which really hurts the customers who purchased their early version of ads products.
While it may seem that way, all of our products are at minimum in strict production and testing for 12 months. We are just quicker to improve based on customer feedback than any other company on the industry, instead of letting a formula ride for 3+ years before any sort of improvement. We apologize for constantly trying to improve and be better.
@ version 1 of their Decon soap, version 1 of their shampoo +, ghost, pilot. Their amplify is a great product, tire cleaner is good, wheel cleaner is good. Their coating are having early signs of failure. Adapt V1 was better than V2. I no longer purchase ads.
@@ThisOldDetailingDude The only thing I will agree on is that I do kind of like Adapt V1 better than V2, but it's probably more true to what you expect from a waterless wash in V2. V1 is so heavy on the sealant, which I personally love but not everyone did. Adapt is still a must have for me.
Yes, I can almost guarantee you every company actually blending/producing chemicals knows what it takes to break the chemicals they make. The chemists will have a completely different answer than the marketing team as well.
Very interesting, my first thought was maybe the product was being " blown " off the panel with the high pressure water. But when you used the hose water it still had the same effect...maybe it is to cold for that particular product?. I'd like to try that product here in Australia and our summer temperatures have been in the high 30s and low 40 degrees...those products are quite expensive here in Australia so I'd personally want more proof it worked before handing over my hard earned cash..
I think it just doesn't have elite performance. Just average. Especially when you using the garden hose because if you notice that when you use a pressure washer, The performance did look better but it only looks better because it's using less water. So less water is on the paint but a garden hose using the shower spray pattern, it's going to put way more water under the paint and it's going to turn into a sheeting action because what you're doing in a way is flooding the paint
I used shower, sharp spray, and mist settings to showcase a broader water performance. Again, even 3 attempts initially the pressure washer was weaker than the final hot panel test.
@sheepstardetail You did. I noticed but I'm just saying the performance was poor on the shower setting but any other setting you use, it looked better even the pressure washer setting So in theory the product probably isn't as bad. It's just an average product. I know one thing, it performs better than Bead maker.
@ Easy coat performed much better with the shower setting. I always try to reference the same methods between both products. Note I never heated any panels for Easy Coat, and it still outperformed it.
@sheepstardetail It did perform better. It's a better product. So would it all comes down to now is price. Is the price for the performance and durability you're going get worth it
@ and consumption. Price matters very heavily for high consumption products. That why I don’t think any shampoo is a good value when it’s a low dilution ratio - you’re paying for water.
@sheepstardetail well, when I have applied Gyeon wet coat it made a difference between our island and states like Utah or California or NC or Florida where my brothers and friends live and the humidity and temperature made a clear difference, more humidity the product bonds better.
When I start spraying water in the garage, especially with the heater, humidity is high enough to not be a factor. It gets low when it’s cold, but once you heat it it’s higher between 50-70% depending.
no hard feelings but ADS should have been tackled this in the test phase 😕. They must test under all environmental conditions where they sell their products. For example Labocosmetica already does that ....
@@michelevers5916 it has been tested down to 50 degrees, standard operating temperatures for curing on protection based products. All protection based products will be affected from freeze/thaw, especially repeated. These types of products can not have freeze/thaw stabilizers built into them. We tested the Labo spray/rinse during the development of Beads. In every occasion of our testing beads performed better, especially in the longevity of the product once applied. Trust me, we do our testing, but appreciate your feedback nonetheless. This is the only feedback thus far, with this issue. If we keep hearing similar instances, we will adjust.
303 Touchless Sealant... I've used Quick Beads, and WetCoat also... The 303 has the best durability and slickness. This is the second video of this product i've seen, not impressive. Maybe ADS has mixing issues, because i received two bottles of Hero that were terrible to work with. My point is that all the hype is that it is the best, with many agreeing.
@Stainlessautos maybe i could concede on that point ...but I use bead it up by 3d and I use it like that on the wheels no problem but I don't usenit like that on the paint
@@Juicefree that’s actually what I do to use up my bead it up as well. There are much cheaper options than the ones discussed in the video, but the dedicated ones typically* last longer than using something like bead it up.
So, the only one of this style product that really works well for me is one that did not work for you. The Gyeon Wet Coat RTU orange bottle. I was told once that the RTU Wet Coat has fluoropolymers in it and the formula is different than the Essence concentrate. All the others I’ve tried like Hydro2 and DIY Quick Beads pale in comparison in hydrophobics, but those don’t have fluoro components. I suspect without fluoropolymers it is difficult to formulate these.
Wet coat worked for me, I just don’t like the wasteful nature of spray on rinse off products. I spread them around then rinse to even out the layer and save product.
Cool video. I have no interest in this product, but found myself watching the whole thing out of curiosity. (Not because I have anything against the product, just have my own favorites.) It is-20° in MN today. Fahrenheit. And of all days, my Oberk Rinseless from Detailed Image arrives today. And I'm out if town. I have my wife waiting by the door, face pressed against the glass, patiently waiting to immediately bring the package in when it arrives... Twenty. Below. Zero.
We had nasty weather in 2014/2015 winters in Metro Detroit. I had a DI package arrive with frozen Menzerna and Meguiar's polishes. The ended up thawing out and performing as expected with no issues.
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Thank you for testing, Beads! We appreciate the opportunity to help solve the mystery issue. I would like to say, it definitely looks like the product is working, especially in the last few attempts, just not producing the results you are expecting. We will be interested to see you revisit this product in the spring/summer months when temps rise, as we know the latest bottle produces phenomenal results on our end in 50 degree temps, based on the video we shared with you. Thank you for your continued efforts! We do have bulk options available as well, we have 1 Gallon available for $49.99 US, this is your best value option. TOC and Carzilla both have these.
Thank you for supporting me as a customer and acknowledging my results, very professional response to a tough situation. I’ll order a fresh bottle in the summer as well to rule out any possible transit temperature issues as well.
ADS is top notch and a response like this just proves it. I am not a professional, but am an avid enthusiast and your products are nothing short of amazing. Keep up the great work!
@ Thank you for the kind words!
@armourdetailsupply Bradley, when testing products do you guys test to see if a product performs it it was heated (left in a hot garage).. then tested if a product was shipped in January to Illinois and was frozen...? I have had issues with cold/frozen and wondered if that was part of your tests too
@@barrybij8079yes we know what ruins every product. Like it or not, every protection based product will be affected (whether it’s small or big) by excess heat, or freezing. It’s just the reality. Some will be affected more than others. We test for all of the above, as well as long term shelf stability. Water based are more sensitive, overall solvent coatings and sealants are better performers and more stable.
It’s definitely on the panel as you can clearly see the white in it when you rinse off.
Yeah, but it looks like it all missed in the first couple go’s.
Thnx again for all the work you do, must be frustrating trying to do all this with limited time knowing that if you forget something you’ll be picked apart in the comments. I can’t remember if you used this type of product previously on bare paint. To me I like these spray on rinse off as a topper on a ceramic coating that is starting to fade and rims.
Thanks! It’s not too much work, just pushes your time table for other projects you want to tackle.
This test was done on bare paint, as I want to rule out other variables.
Wow Great bit of information to consider. You put so much effort into that brands product. I would have just thought it was not good. Temps matter.
Thats so odd bc i got ot from ads and when it was still ez beads. It definitely worked for me right away but im also in south carolina with basically the same environment as ADS location
I think its def lack of humidity, flucuations in temp during shipping, also i always have to shake those prpducts up really well right before spraying them on and i give it atleast like 30 sec before rinsing.
I did let the product sit, but cut the footage to save time and attention. The cold is a huge factor in performance.
@@benabdelnabi happy to hear it working well for you!
Respect. When you recognized something was abnormal, you reached out to ADS and Carzilla and started troubleshooting instead of going straight to a bad review. I love seeing the collaboration, keep us updated if you find a root cause Thanks Sheep 🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎🦆
I don’t want to run a video then get a nice five finger reality check. Of course people are unsubscribing because I didn’t gush over their favourite.
@@sheepstardetail Wait, what? Did people actually unsubscribe today because of this video (possibly)??
@ yep, I go up and down fairly regularly. Usually 3 steps forward to one step back, give or take.
@ Well, at least you are gaining ground. I think most of us appreciate your honesty.
Oh yeah, still an upward trend overall.
Carzilla is just phenomenal, you know how many companies would argue and argue over a bottle of product? Not these guys, something seems off, here’s another bottle let us know if it happens again, amazing place ⭐️
100% customer for lyfe
I’m guessing it’s a temperature issue too. How to do you like easy coat vs wet coat essence?
Easy coat works similarly, but is more economical.
I would have tried this product, but had literally just ordered some hydro2 lite the day before it came out. I have never had a great experience with the spray on rinse off products. I use them solely for wheels and intricate grilles. Other than that they are nearly useless to me. They seem to cause more issues than they help. With streaking or just poor longevity
I prefer spray on wipe around then rinse, and I have had zero issues with easy coat.
@ I tried it that way as well. Weird thing is it was also when it was cool outside. Even after 2 weeks on the hood it had no protection left
@@jfarm_1311interesting. I haven’t done long term testing with them, but it’s not the goal for most of these products.
I bought a bottle on launch day (November) from TOC supplies. It definitely has never been frozen. I haven’t been able to try it out yet though as the weather hasn’t really cooperated since.
Remember that Carzilla ships from Alberta. I’m not sure where you are located, but if I ordered it in December or Jan from there it definitely would have frozen in transit. The couriers don’t have heated trailers and they sit out in the cold overnight.
I’m guessing yours froze at some point and is (hopefully) the reason for the issues. If that’s the case that is valuable feedback for them and I know they will improve it like they always do.
The third bottle came straight from ADS, so that one should have been feeeze free.
I have a vid request... i feel like the small ik sprayers were actually made to use a carpet and upholstery cleaner (like carpet bomber) with the dry foam tip to replace the aerosol cans but i never see any one using it like that ... please do a video showing what they were actually designed for🙏
I don’t currently own any of those sprayers. Do you know which model specifically, and what chemical would fit the use case you’re referring to?
@sheepstardetail the small ik foamer with the dry tip and any high foaming carpet and upholstery cleaner the one i use and would be perfect for the test is ( carpet and upholstery shampoo #204 ) by 3d
When it comes to the world of upholstery there are 2 types of cleaners ones with low foam designed to be used with a extractor and high foaming one designed to be used by hand and my personal opinion is that dry foam is the way to go but that isn't easily achieved unless you have a aerosol can ..... or a ik sprayer with the dry foam tip
@ do you use that in a dry cleaning scenario? I use extractor shampoo for carpets as it’s specifically designed to be low foaming for extractor use.
@sheepstardetail yes for carpets and upholstery i prefer dry foam and I do it either 2 ways usually I just use a can (tough stuff from Walmart) or i use the product i just referred to in a ik foamer with the dry tip ...I get tired of pumping so I use the can a lot
I noticed when I picked up some Phoenix EOD Titan, they clearly state to NOT let it freeze... I can't imagine in the winter these products aren't freezing.... my money is on that being the issue.
I wonder if ADS or these other companies test their products after a freeze?
Not sure, some products can take a freeze or 2, others can’t.
@sheepstar now our conversation makes more sense, but since we are on the spray on rinse off train, check out fine detailing's built Hamber video where I think the star from that vid is the Touch On sachet topped with Auto Qd which is a fine QD nothing to write home about but the Touch on which I hadn't used before looked like it did a great job so I ordered it from Carzilla and tried it on my Honda Accord and it leaves a very slick protection beads up great and super easy foam on rinse off product its even measured out and it about $3.00 per application so $1000 Canadian Monopoly money. Thought you might light to try it out.
Yeah, this was the context for all my questions. Didn’t want to spoil the video, but I appreciate your feedback. I knew it was working for others which is why I went over it so many times trying to find the root cause for my results.
I have seen touch on but I have several spray on rinse off concentrates to get through before I invest in more. You just can’t go wrong with BH it seems.
Thanks for this.
I'm not interested in the product (or type of) but this storage and transportation issue has the potential to affect all products........ and then the subsequent testing!
A few years ago i bought some ethos products and they were frozen... they didnt perform correcly ... i try not to buy anything after blackfriday...
This is a good practice.
Not surprised. Imho ads does not do enough testing prior to them releasing a new product. IMHO they fake it until they make it. Which really hurts the customers who purchased their early version of ads products.
What other products didn’t perform for you?
While it may seem that way, all of our products are at minimum in strict production and testing for 12 months. We are just quicker to improve based on customer feedback than any other company on the industry, instead of letting a formula ride for 3+ years before any sort of improvement. We apologize for constantly trying to improve and be better.
@ version 1 of their Decon soap, version 1 of their shampoo +, ghost, pilot. Their amplify is a great product, tire cleaner is good, wheel cleaner is good. Their coating are having early signs of failure. Adapt V1 was better than V2. I no longer purchase ads.
@ I really like you constantly improve quickly
@@ThisOldDetailingDude The only thing I will agree on is that I do kind of like Adapt V1 better than V2, but it's probably more true to what you expect from a waterless wash in V2. V1 is so heavy on the sealant, which I personally love but not everyone did. Adapt is still a must have for me.
It makes you wonder, do the companies test their products after a freeze-thaw cycle? Perhaps Simoniz is onto something.
Not sure, some can handle it, some can’t. That is also a limitation in the formula sometimes.
Yes, I can almost guarantee you every company actually blending/producing chemicals knows what it takes to break the chemicals they make. The chemists will have a completely different answer than the marketing team as well.
Very interesting, my first thought was maybe the product was being " blown " off the panel with the high pressure water. But when you used the hose water it still had the same effect...maybe it is to cold for that particular product?.
I'd like to try that product here in Australia and our summer temperatures have been in the high 30s and low 40 degrees...those products are quite expensive here in Australia so I'd personally want more proof it worked before handing over my hard earned cash..
Great video thanks for sharing
the only product ads released that i dont like.
This makes my heart hurt, still love you though Wes haha! Appreciate all of the support.
@ it hurt me more 😞 still a huge fan though ❤️
I think it just doesn't have elite performance. Just average. Especially when you using the garden hose because if you notice that when you use a pressure washer, The performance did look better but it only looks better because it's using less water. So less water is on the paint but a garden hose using the shower spray pattern, it's going to put way more water under the paint and it's going to turn into a sheeting action because what you're doing in a way is flooding the paint
I used shower, sharp spray, and mist settings to showcase a broader water performance. Again, even 3 attempts initially the pressure washer was weaker than the final hot panel test.
@sheepstardetail You did. I noticed but I'm just saying the performance was poor on the shower setting but any other setting you use, it looked better even the pressure washer setting So in theory the product probably isn't as bad. It's just an average product. I know one thing, it performs better than Bead maker.
@ Easy coat performed much better with the shower setting. I always try to reference the same methods between both products. Note I never heated any panels for Easy Coat, and it still outperformed it.
@sheepstardetail It did perform better. It's a better product. So would it all comes down to now is price. Is the price for the performance and durability you're going get worth it
@ and consumption. Price matters very heavily for high consumption products. That why I don’t think any shampoo is a good value when it’s a low dilution ratio - you’re paying for water.
Nice!!!
Have you checked also humidity factor besides the temperature?
I don’t have a ton of control over humidity, but I think a spray on rinse off product shouldn’t be that sensitive to it.
@sheepstardetail well, when I have applied Gyeon wet coat it made a difference between our island and states like Utah or California or NC or Florida where my brothers and friends live and the humidity and temperature made a clear difference, more humidity the product bonds better.
When I start spraying water in the garage, especially with the heater, humidity is high enough to not be a factor. It gets low when it’s cold, but once you heat it it’s higher between 50-70% depending.
@@sheepstardetail here humidity is over 80% even on 75 degrees Fahrenheit
no hard feelings but ADS should have been tackled this in the test phase 😕. They must test under all environmental conditions where they sell their products. For example Labocosmetica already does that ....
@@michelevers5916 it has been tested down to 50 degrees, standard operating temperatures for curing on protection based products. All protection based products will be affected from freeze/thaw, especially repeated. These types of products can not have freeze/thaw stabilizers built into them. We tested the Labo spray/rinse during the development of Beads. In every occasion of our testing beads performed better, especially in the longevity of the product once applied. Trust me, we do our testing, but appreciate your feedback nonetheless. This is the only feedback thus far, with this issue. If we keep hearing similar instances, we will adjust.
303 Touchless Sealant... I've used Quick Beads, and WetCoat also... The 303 has the best durability and slickness. This is the second video of this product i've seen, not impressive.
Maybe ADS has mixing issues, because i received two bottles of Hero that were terrible to work with. My point is that all the hype is that it is the best, with many agreeing.
I mean what kinda of lazy cheap tunnel car wash guy wants to use this type of product anyway
They have their place.
Killer for wheels.
@Stainlessautos maybe i could concede on that point ...but I use bead it up by 3d and I use it like that on the wheels no problem but I don't usenit like that on the paint
I like them for grills too.
@@Juicefree that’s actually what I do to use up my bead it up as well. There are much cheaper options than the ones discussed in the video, but the dedicated ones typically* last longer than using something like bead it up.
So, the only one of this style product that really works well for me is one that did not work for you. The Gyeon Wet Coat RTU orange bottle. I was told once that the RTU Wet Coat has fluoropolymers in it and the formula is different than the Essence concentrate. All the others I’ve tried like Hydro2 and DIY Quick Beads pale in comparison in hydrophobics, but those don’t have fluoro components. I suspect without fluoropolymers it is difficult to formulate these.
Wet coat worked for me, I just don’t like the wasteful nature of spray on rinse off products. I spread them around then rinse to even out the layer and save product.
Could it be your water? Is it hard water? Maybe Armour Detail doesn't like hard water?
My water is better than bottled, TDS readings are typically around 20, sometimes below 10.
@sheepstardetail Hmmmm that is a head scratcher...
I have only ever used Wet Coat and never had any issues even with cold temp or blazing heat. Very interesting.
Cool video. I have no interest in this product, but found myself watching the whole thing out of curiosity. (Not because I have anything against the product, just have my own favorites.) It is-20° in MN today. Fahrenheit. And of all days, my Oberk Rinseless from Detailed Image arrives today. And I'm out if town. I have my wife waiting by the door, face pressed against the glass, patiently waiting to immediately bring the package in when it arrives... Twenty. Below. Zero.
We had nasty weather in 2014/2015 winters in Metro Detroit.
I had a DI package arrive with frozen Menzerna and Meguiar's polishes. The ended up thawing out and performing as expected with no issues.
Ouch, a lot of products can freeze, but repeated freezing is no bueno.