Hijacking your top comment to tell all the people only watching this final that pretty much the entire top 8 uploaded here were 5 game last stock certified bangers. Watch them instead.
finally people are going to stop telling me that link is far and away better than young link because zain was losing against link, seems like a similar situation to armada young link vs hbox.
Honestly man.. between the hour long top 8 delay, Jmook dropping out, general match results & #1 for 2024 now basically being locked in for Zain, this was the most unsatisfying tournament I have seen all year.
If you look at it that way yeah, but I thought some of the matches were incredible: Lucky’s entire run, Aklo’s upset over Hbox, Hbox ALMOST beating Zain, etc. Goes to show how far Melee has come if people are left disappointed by play like this.
@@jasonmosher8047yea exactly, hbox really innovated his puff and is so fun to watch now and lucky was just cracked out of his mind. aklo making it to grands is also really cool to see
@@jasonmosher8047 Well to be clear I'm not disappointed with the gameplay, rather the results. Lucky's run was cool I'll admit but for example "Hbox ALMOST beating Zain" imo was actually super unsatisfying. One could view this as "Hbox is so much closer to beating Zain" but I see it as "Hbox gets this close like once a year and just missed the opportunity again. GGs, in for another year of Zain decimating Hbox". Really though I just desperately want Zain to lose. I hate seeing the same person win repeatedly, it is so boring imo.
I have more respect for aklo than anyone else In the smash community for taking a low bottom tier character to the top in a game where everyone plays the same broken spacies or marth for over 2 decades
@@ThomBjork you mention one yoshi player....one....one donkey Kong...how many years has this game been out? This is your argument? You basically are on my side thanks for the help. Axe? He hardly enters tournies and he doesn't take it serious and that's the only Pikachu. Thanks again for proving my point
Falco has considerably more potential. Marth is much more consistent in tournament though. I think putting Falco at second best isn’t wrong, it depends on how you value potential compared to consistency.
Aklo should've just went Link* Hes incapable of winning the Fox Marth matchup and hes shown that time and time again the games are closer then its ever been with Link he needs to just stop claiming hes grinding the MU then just drop Link in the middle of a Grand Finals after 1 loss. Also strikes himself to Yoshis story g1 when he got counterpicked to yoshis last set vs Zain and link with no space to pull projectiles vs Marth is stupid.
@@erikeconomou6487 its been close with link but lez be real zain aint losing to link bro. he has a much better chance of getting his best character up to par with zains standard of play. he can only do that with exp. so i restate it he should hve just put his best foot forward here with fox and take whatever information he can to get better. 2nd is already a w..
@@VijiBeatzOfficial Zain is just WAY too good against Fox; Aklo is not Cody. I think if he perfects acid dropping he has a chance. Zain already gets pressured pretty well with the projectiles.
14:33 Kinda lost a little respect for Zain here. Dude plays Roy, a similar low tier on the side, but when Aklo plays Link, a similar low tier on the side, he calls it "a waste of time." Sounds a little hypocritical, Zain.
@@slenderMax28 He's playing him as a secondary and also thinks to play Link at a higher level. Zain too attempts to play Roy at a higher level and while people have said that it's weird for him to play Roy when his Marth is already good enough, Zain feels the need to cheap shot Aklo here for using Link as a secondary even though his Fox was doing about as well as his Link.
Besides exceptions (Lucky vs Mango, Lucky vs Aklo, Hungrybox vs Zain) this tournament might be the worst of the year so far, from very questionable production, Jmook dq, boring match results and anti climatic grand finals. I hope DPOTG delivers better than this
Man I love these tournaments but it needs its top players back, Mew2King, Armada, Ppmd, Mango is still on and he’s one of my favorites to watch but with those players around tournaments would be better.
Bait or Nostalgia blind? ...I'll bite. The top players are here, dude. I'm not saying Armada and pp couldn't be top players after they shook off a little rust, but these current top players are pretty damn good at the game.
Not nostalgia nor being blind, just facts, these players are good but with someone like Ppmd in the scene or Armada Zain would have a harder time winning, theres also Amsa, and Mango still out there but the game could use more players to fight Zain better.
@juancandelaria7601 hbox and mango are out here, True, but they be losing. I'm saying Armada, pp, and m2k would be in the same boat. They could get high placements, contenders, but Zain and Cody are certainly in the same tier. Like Zain is fast approaching even prime Armadas level on dominance of the field.
@@BlueRiging True but losing is something that happens to all pros, then they figure out the matchup and win. Just that with more pros it would be more interesting and that I disagree, Cody is not on Armadas level, but nevertheless both him and Zain are good gotta admit.
imo darkgenex and radar were the weakest commentators during top 8. radar doesn’t have the game-skill of his co’s so he can’t see things on screen and weave between them as easily. darkgenex does too much, sometimes feels like he’s in his own bubble bursting to say the right thing while vish and stude comfortably if not slowly sing the game together. radar kind of did that trying too hard thing too. walt does this most of all. it’s funny that the three hungriest, or most ‘self promoting’, commentators rn in walt, radar, dgenex, are imo the worst three-and i think they’re generally lower skilled melee players than other commentators; at least walt and radar. my advice to any commentator would be gather wisdom by simply getting better at the game. there’s a reason top players are the best commentators whenever they hop on.
Lets be honest...is it zain...or os it marth...would this happen with roy? Is marth a broken character? Have we known this for 20 years? Is there a point in playing this game when the same character(s) win everytime for 2 decades?
We get people like you saying this shit no matter who's on top lol. When it's cody it's fox, when it's hungrybox it's puff, when it's armada it's peach. Different time periods same complaints lol
There's an (unlikely) argument for him at n.5 instead of hbox, I agree with the commentary. Behind zain cody amsa and mango, who are the obvious top 4.
Zain made this grands feel like a local
Hijacking your top comment to tell all the people only watching this final that pretty much the entire top 8 uploaded here were 5 game last stock certified bangers. Watch them instead.
Can't say I agree with this sentiment. In what world is a local Link taking Zain to last stock?
Ty for spoiler
Nice spoiler
We all knew what was coming after hbox lost in lfs let’s be honest
Had a fantastic time commentating this event thank you to Wavelength for the opportunity and hope people enjoyed!
I love you giga Bowser player
ur commentary rules!
I really enjoy your commentary. Thanks for doing it, looking forward to seeing more
Appreciated to you both and thank you 🙂
Zain learned the Link matchup, yikes for Aklo
Zain with the easy 3-0.
Learned the Edgeguard at least. Marth still doesn't do well in neutral if he lets Link set up boomerangs and Bombs.
yikes for link fans
finally people are going to stop telling me that link is far and away better than young link because zain was losing against link, seems like a similar situation to armada young link vs hbox.
@harrylee1223 there aren't that many lol.
Zain powershielding the boomerang Kreygasm
@@no_problem8023 sorry to ask but what does kreygasm mean
@@Dailyshart Twitch emote of streamer cooming cause of a sick play
Zain is undisputedly the best in the world, it's evident
Nah not till he proves himself against mango
@@savaget2058 not true. He’s prolly best in world
What is happening to melee bro, link in finals. (i love it)
Plus DK won a tournament lol
Zain is a freak god damn.
The crowd sounds like the one in the game
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O7
that grands was really quick
Finally a Marth main who wins major tournaments. The last time we had this was during Ken’s era.
M2K
@alcaboz_sadino7217 ah yes, the marth main who plays marth sheik fox and peach
@@joshuamilne7015 he a marth sheik dual main with a fox secondary and a peach (and sometimes jigglypuff) pocket
@@shengnyyjyeah if he’s utilizing all of that he’s not just a marth main then lol
@@dontworryaboutit42069 hes not a solo marth main but he still mains marth ken also used fox yet no one says hes not a marth main
Honestly man.. between the hour long top 8 delay, Jmook dropping out, general match results & #1 for 2024 now basically being locked in for Zain, this was the most unsatisfying tournament I have seen all year.
too many foxes today
If you look at it that way yeah, but I thought some of the matches were incredible: Lucky’s entire run, Aklo’s upset over Hbox, Hbox ALMOST beating Zain, etc. Goes to show how far Melee has come if people are left disappointed by play like this.
@@jasonmosher8047yea exactly, hbox really innovated his puff and is so fun to watch now and lucky was just cracked out of his mind. aklo making it to grands is also really cool to see
@@jasonmosher8047 Well to be clear I'm not disappointed with the gameplay, rather the results. Lucky's run was cool I'll admit but for example "Hbox ALMOST beating Zain" imo was actually super unsatisfying. One could view this as "Hbox is so much closer to beating Zain" but I see it as "Hbox gets this close like once a year and just missed the opportunity again. GGs, in for another year of Zain decimating Hbox".
Really though I just desperately want Zain to lose. I hate seeing the same person win repeatedly, it is so boring imo.
Who cares who wins and who loses, people are playing sick, thats all that matters
Please reorder playlists to match bracket progression! Pools then immediately GFs spoils the experience of watching through all of it without knowing.
Painful tournament to watch. Could have been totally different feel if the patience was there after the delays or even if hbox went dreamland v Zain
14:33
Aged like links milk
Aklo dropped like 3 edge guards in a row towards the end of game 3. :/
GGs to all
I have more respect for aklo than anyone else In the smash community for taking a low bottom tier character to the top in a game where everyone plays the same broken spacies or marth for over 2 decades
Lameklo plays lame and if you’ve played with him outside of tourney he’s just a troll. Glad to see him get annihilated.
you can't make this argument in 2024 anymore. ever hear of junebug or amsa or axe?
@@ThomBjork no they were not in this tournament. You were not paying attention to the video you commented on
@@Nathaniel-y6h 🙄 lol you were clearly talking about the smash community as a whole, shut up
@@ThomBjork you mention one yoshi player....one....one donkey Kong...how many years has this game been out? This is your argument? You basically are on my side thanks for the help. Axe? He hardly enters tournies and he doesn't take it serious and that's the only Pikachu. Thanks again for proving my point
Where's the melee playlist??
Yo, Zain is a mind reader. This man can do it all. Even his mini celebrations that he does will destroy you inside.
ah yes, standing 10 units from ledge, boomerang, bomb throw. top tier edgeguard.
It should've been Lucky! It should've been him!
Thank you friends
Hit with a sword, doesn’t die.. wtf 🐬
9:04 dude it really seemed like Zain was about to try to up throw link to kill him off the top with the bomb explosion lol that would have been wild
he did that to him in their recent first to ten on aklos channel & popped off lol
Two swords in grands!
Aklo has been getting further and further. It’s only a matter of time.
Thank god, too. So tired of fox and marth.
Zain's definitely going to be #1 again soon. He's only getting better and better.
He already is number 1
@@TheBeggies95 So he is. I don't know how I missed that news. I guess nobody was surprised enough to make a big hoopla about it.
Is Marth a better character than Falco?
Yes
Yes but no but yes but noyes
better player on the day wins. So, close enough to even.
Falco has considerably more potential. Marth is much more consistent in tournament though. I think putting Falco at second best isn’t wrong, it depends on how you value potential compared to consistency.
@@Sunny92809No, you are averanalyze it. After fox, Marth is the best character by far.
The crazy thing is that it's a 6-4 MU but Marth can make it look much worse than that lol
Who’s gonna put a stop to this?
Hbox brought out demon mode Zain
MY GOAT ZAIN
Aklo shouldve just went fox. overthinking it with link
Aklo should've just went Link* Hes incapable of winning the Fox Marth matchup and hes shown that time and time again the games are closer then its ever been with Link he needs to just stop claiming hes grinding the MU then just drop Link in the middle of a Grand Finals after 1 loss. Also strikes himself to Yoshis story g1 when he got counterpicked to yoshis last set vs Zain and link with no space to pull projectiles vs Marth is stupid.
@@erikeconomou6487 he can do it bro
@@erikeconomou6487 its been close with link but lez be real zain aint losing to link bro. he has a much better chance of getting his best character up to par with zains standard of play. he can only do that with exp. so i restate it he should hve just put his best foot forward here with fox and take whatever information he can to get better. 2nd is already a w..
@@VijiBeatzOfficial Zain is just WAY too good against Fox; Aklo is not Cody. I think if he perfects acid dropping he has a chance. Zain already gets pressured pretty well with the projectiles.
@@nahor88 agree to an extent. yh hes just too on point
i love gtown tom
This is really depressing. Would have been so cool to see aklo win this but now he might even drop link.
I thought violent videos on RUclips weren't allowed...
damn vro
Marth is broken
Well... Seems like Aklo must stick with Fox from now on. 😅
lol ntsc Marth dairing
14:33
Kinda lost a little respect for Zain here. Dude plays Roy, a similar low tier on the side, but when Aklo plays Link, a similar low tier on the side, he calls it "a waste of time."
Sounds a little hypocritical, Zain.
How is Aklo playing Link "on the side" when he's playing Link in GFs at a tournament like this?
@@slenderMax28 He's playing him as a secondary and also thinks to play Link at a higher level.
Zain too attempts to play Roy at a higher level and while people have said that it's weird for him to play Roy when his Marth is already good enough, Zain feels the need to cheap shot Aklo here for using Link as a secondary even though his Fox was doing about as well as his Link.
Zam
Grands more like pools round 2
why is a crappy link in gf get a falcon or DK in there even
im gay
Besides exceptions (Lucky vs Mango, Lucky vs Aklo, Hungrybox vs Zain) this tournament might be the worst of the year so far, from very questionable production, Jmook dq, boring match results and anti climatic grand finals. I hope DPOTG delivers better than this
wait I didn't know skyjay played melee /j
yawn
Man I love these tournaments but it needs its top players back, Mew2King, Armada, Ppmd, Mango is still on and he’s one of my favorites to watch but with those players around tournaments would be better.
Bait or Nostalgia blind? ...I'll bite.
The top players are here, dude. I'm not saying Armada and pp couldn't be top players after they shook off a little rust, but these current top players are pretty damn good at the game.
Not nostalgia nor being blind, just facts, these players are good but with someone like Ppmd in the scene or Armada Zain would have a harder time winning, theres also Amsa, and Mango still out there but the game could use more players to fight Zain better.
@juancandelaria7601 hbox and mango are out here, True, but they be losing. I'm saying Armada, pp, and m2k would be in the same boat. They could get high placements, contenders, but Zain and Cody are certainly in the same tier.
Like Zain is fast approaching even prime Armadas level on dominance of the field.
@@BlueRiging i think Zain has dethroned Armada
@@BlueRiging True but losing is something that happens to all pros, then they figure out the matchup and win. Just that with more pros it would be more interesting and that I disagree, Cody is not on Armadas level, but nevertheless both him and Zain are good gotta admit.
imo darkgenex and radar were the weakest commentators during top 8. radar doesn’t have the game-skill of his co’s so he can’t see things on screen and weave between them as easily. darkgenex does too much, sometimes feels like he’s in his own bubble bursting to say the right thing while vish and stude comfortably if not slowly sing the game together. radar kind of did that trying too hard thing too. walt does this most of all. it’s funny that the three hungriest, or most ‘self promoting’, commentators rn in walt, radar, dgenex, are imo the worst three-and i think they’re generally lower skilled melee players than other commentators; at least walt and radar. my advice to any commentator would be gather wisdom by simply getting better at the game. there’s a reason top players are the best commentators whenever they hop on.
boo hoo
@@tessademsky1156 indeed
Lets be honest...is it zain...or os it marth...would this happen with roy? Is marth a broken character? Have we known this for 20 years? Is there a point in playing this game when the same character(s) win everytime for 2 decades?
You have no idea what you're talking about lmao
It’s definitely just Zain how many other top Marths do you see?
We get people like you saying this shit no matter who's on top lol. When it's cody it's fox, when it's hungrybox it's puff, when it's armada it's peach. Different time periods same complaints lol
Marth isn’t even the best character in the game lmao you’re lost
Spacie player spotted
they said aklo top 5 in the world? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Nobody said that. He is top 10-15 tho
There's an (unlikely) argument for him at n.5 instead of hbox, I agree with the commentary. Behind zain cody amsa and mango, who are the obvious top 4.
Wait lameklo made it into GF?
Lameklo LMAO surprised y’all didn’t drop the “aklow”
Lmao, love to see lameklo get annihilated