Wow, great tutorial! In under 10 minutes explains all the basics of throwing a disc for those of us who are getting better but still don't know all the details. Well done.
As a noob, I was trying to buy the cheapest discs. A seller refused to sell to me until i watched this and another video! Mad respect! I am so much more prepared to make "better" purchases as opposed to cheaper ones!!!
this channel is, by far, the best for disc golf tutorials/help. been playing for a few years now and still struggling with some shots. i live in northern Michigan so i only usually get about 4-5 months of decent weather, at best, to apply what i’ve learned from these videos. i’m more of a hands on learner, so i typically don’t grasp the info very well from books/videos. but this channel is a huge help with the best details, making it easier to understand
This is incredibly helpful. So many people pick up high speed discs and then get frustrated with them (including myself). This video does a great job explaining how to ease yourself into different discs. Thanks for the time and effort.
Great videos, sure it will help! Though I think the disc weight parameters is missing. if a max weight destroyer is too stable, how about trying a lighter weight one?
Man. I wish this would have been available when I started playing. I definitely look forward to seeing more videos. This will be a great benefit to players of all levels!
+Tricia Lafferty Thank you! We'll be publishing new videos all spring, summer, and fall each year (Northern Hemisphere seasons), but we do take winter off!
This is a fantastic resource for new and seasoned players alike. I wanted to mention one key thing though that, as others have said, is an extremely important consideration--disc weight. I originally bought a 175g Pro Boss that was just too stable for my throwing speed. But instead of trying a slower speed or less stable disc, I bought a 155g R-Pro Boss. With my throwing speed, that disc now has an incredibly beautiful high speed turn and consistent fade which I can throw around 400 feet. And for those long uphill shots, I now have a 150g R-Pro Boss where the additional lift helps it get up the hill. There is no mention in the video of disc weight (in this video) which is unfortunate since so many disc buyers don't know what weight to get for a given disc. But I do see there's a whole other video by BDGD that covers weight so maybe the 2 videos together assist in which model--and weight--to buy/use. Just remember, disc weight can be just as good as, if not better, of a way to modify the flight path as changing disc models. I now know the flight shape of all 3 discs which is quite different but helpful in different situations. But since they are the same model, they have the exact same feel in the hand which is helpful for consistency.
I was having trouble with my 9-speed discs with not getting distance (Valkyrie and Firebird) so I found our local disc shop here in Boise (very well stocked I may add) and chatted with the owner and after looking through my bag and asking a few questions his suggestion was....a Sidewinder, it was as stated in the video so good feelings there. I had just watched this video after purchasing the Sidewinder so will take it out this afternoon for a smoke test.
This is what I needed months ago when I started. I've found, through lots of homework and common sense, that this video is dead on!!! I've thrown high speed discs, over-, under- and stable. The universal numbers on the discs definitely apply to the "pros" or high velocity throws. Ultimately, trial and error works best, and knowing what you can and can't throw, too.
Your videos are great! Keep up the good work. These have me thinking in a totally new way when I'm out on the course. Instead of just grabbing the disc that I feel like I can throw well I am putting a bit more thought into what I am picking. I always had a good idea of what my discs would do (barring I make a good throw), but now my choices are much more educated. Thanks again!
Great video! Breaking this down into topics (disc selection, weight, release angle, etc) is more manageable. Would love to see a video later that puts it all together. Keep up the good work! Subscribed.
Excellent data and presentation. May be a bit heady for the average consumer, but I find this information to be critical for dispelling myths concerning disc "speed" and the effective distance it will yield for players of varying ability levels. Great work. Cheers.
Prodigy has flight charts that help give people a rough flight based on their division of playing. Theyre much nicer than the possibly misleading ones out there. Nice vid!
Interesting video. Most people start from the "noob" perspective, but I think this shows a more realistic approach since new players often tend to gravitate towards the higher-speed discs under the false assumption that they'll go farther. One minor criticism -- and maybe it was assumed and intentional -- is that this didn't say on what angle the discs were being thrown. I assume it was intended to convey a flat release, but it wasn't addressed. Hyzer-flips being an integral part of the game, I would LOVE to see y'all do a video on that topic similar to this. GREAT research and awesome narration. SUBSCRIBED!
Great video! I love how you didn't get too granular in regards to disc release angle and disc weights. I'm sure those subjects are on radar for videos down the line. Kept it simple. Great job! Just keep em coming, I think you'll build a large audience quickly. ;)
I remember throwing a Lightning when I first started playing. It would dive left like crazy. Then as I progressed, I could turn it over in the first 100ft of flight, usually rolling it. They were great for short, right dog-legs.
A fantastic guide. I've gone through many, many discs through trial and error. That's even worse when all the brands productions lines are inconsistent
8:12 A HA moment. I just started overpowering my DX Archangel (8 6 -4 1). I guess that's a sign my technique and power are getting better : ) OUTSTANDING video, by the way!
Micah Epps I have one too, and ended up going to a Viking and Valkyrie afterwards. I’ve read lots of comments that the Archangel is basically useless to anybody except a total beginner with no developed arm speed yet. They’re already super understable when new, and only get worse when they beat in. I still have mine, and a few weeks ago, I threw it about 350 feet with a 15mph tailwind...it STILL turned right lol
Highly INFORMATIVE !!! You put allot of work into this I can tell, fantastic job on that aspect. As far as it's PURPOSE, WoW!! ...like many said below, you nailed it!!
Good video. This man sounds like he has a good technical basis. I would love to see a good technical breakdown for different wind conditions, this seems to be the hardest part of where my game is at right now.
I've been pretty good at one point but my "theory" has always been good and you encapsulated it nearly perfectly. My only comment is this is purely for distance which is almost never my objective aside from a few holes I've played. It's placement which regardless of wind may require me to throw a firebird or Z flick to bend and skip... or if slightly longer but with the same objective I would throw a wraith somewhat weak. edit: (RHBH mostly)
These videos are wonderful! I'd like to see discussions about how disc flight and selection might vary with air density (elevation), moisture and temperature. I'd also like to see how throwing uphill and downhill affects disc selection and how disc stability changes with time and what to do when discs change.
Instead of "tendency" I say "aerodynamic properties". The discs mold has properties and specific shapes giving "tendencies". I love your video and Im very into discs flight, speed, etc.
Weight is super important too! At high altitude in Boulder where I live, I throw Wraiths for distance (400'-450' or so). But I save full weight (175g) Wraiths for shots I expect to fade at the end. For max D I go down to ~166. For tail wind or super-long hyzer-flip I'll occasionally throw a 158 Blizzard Wraith. They all feel similar have similar flight paths but the lighter ones just have more turn and glide. You can put them on a hyzer and still get them holding right for a while at the end.
This was the most informative, best produced explanation I have heard. The one element I wish I could see in here has to do with weight, which seems to be a super important feature for many. In terms of benchmarks and target weights, is there a bell curve we should be looking to use or should I continue to experiment with all the 150-178 g discs
+Best Disc Golf Discs Seriously, thank you for laying it all out so cleanly, I literally started yesterday (did surprisingly okay), but this really summed up all the physics for me perfectly.
Wow...great video! I've been playing a about a year now. This video makes me feel like I've made all the right adjustments as far as driving disc. Thanks! Hopefully a video for driving the disc off the tee pad
Awesome video! Wish I had this 6 months ago when I started playing. I have 44 discs now and would've probably saved me hundreds of dollars if I had this information before. ;)
Great video. Wish you would have covered disc weight though. I think the weight of a disc has a major impact on its flight characteristics. Maybe just as important as the type of disc you choose is the weight of that disc.
Awesome, awesome video! This has really helped my understanding and therefore my disc selection. I'm guessing you're going to do a video on uphill/downhill shots in the future. Also, I understand your X,5,-1,3 system, but noodle-armed people like myself (my arms move notoriously slow) might look into X,5,-1,2 discs (For innova that is Viking, Krait, TeeDevil and Dominator) if they find the 3 fade to be a bit strong. Again, thanks for posting this hugely informative video!
Very helpful. I just recently started back playing after many years away so I'm basically back at square one. My first mistake was choosing a higher speed driver and also on the heavy side. Since I tend to overpower my throws (install grunt here), I strained my right arm and it has been sore for two weeks now. I started throwing LHBH but I have always been a natural RH and the LH just doesn't generate enough speed to be as effective as my RHBH. So what did I do? I started throwing RHFH because for some reason, it didn't strain my arm as bad. Problem with that now is that I still can't get the power necessary to throw my high speed driver so I am going to have to TOTALLY reinvent my bag with lower speed drivers and definitely lower weight. (at least until my arm heals or my technique gets better)
Going through fast discs when you already have some experience with the discs could be a good option. But for personal story I made that huge mistake when started and bought way too speedy discs at first. After hitting them to trees for a good while they did start to act like they should, but my arm speed never reached recommended speed of disc. But that's another story. When you said that you should not go over -3 on turn, I strongly disagree. This spring I had to get all new discs due to certain reasons :) and was kind of forced to get Mamba as the store had it or Destroyer for distance drivers and I knew that Destroyer will crash land most of my throws. So started to throw with mamba then, it has nice glide and with lower arm speeds you get really nice s-curve. Now when time has passed it has come obviously bit more understable and my arm speed has increased so I do hyzer-flip to get the curve. Ok, that is not optimal really, but learning to flip with it is something you should learn in some point of your game. So now when my arm speed has increased with the spin, I got more stable driver around the same speed and glide (Opto line Saint) I got two different shots in my bag then. I can still use the mamba for those hyzer-flips or like usually. I got nice out of the bag roller and great disc for elevated ground where I need to turnover the shot.
Thanks Kevy D -- we didn't get into weight in this video because it was already approaching 10 minutes in length, so we did a complete video about disc weight here: ruclips.net/video/CvpdTf_FjjM/видео.html
My drives are starting to hang out to the right and I couldn’t figure out why. Maybe I’m starting to out grow my discs. The wanderer theory makes a lot of sense.
I'm right-handed. What could cause my full-weight Wahoo (12, 6, -2, 2) to behave strangely? I throw a backhand it behaves just as expected but if I go forehand it does a spectacular edge-first crash to the left. Well, it doesn't turn that much left, more like switches to mid-air roller. I have no problems throwing a West Side Sword (12, 5, 0, 2) from either side. Surely I can't be overpowering it? Is the stability rating (-2 vs 2) related to this tendency to dive?
I got a Wahoo not long ago so that I could enjoy water crossings without risking throwing away more money. I know lots of snobby forum people say to just get good at throwing and avoid the water in the first place rather than rely on floating, but this doesn't work for me because I've been playing for 7 years and still lose discs in the ponds, so if my game was ever going to change to the point where I no longer ended up in the water ever again (or at least the vast majority of the times I attempted to throw near/across water), then over these past 7 years, that change would've taken place by now. So since it hasn't, I'd rather have a floating disc in my bag so that budget issues and/or the extra frustration that comes with losing a disc to water (as opposed to just having a really bad throw with no disc loss) doesn't steer me away from playing. Got a bit sidetracked there, but my Wahoo instantly divebombs when I drive, and I've only attempted to use it a handful of times since purchase. Also, I've only thrown it forehand as that's the only way I can ever remotely get ok distance (still far less than average) and decent aiming consistency. It shows you commented 7 months ago; did your Wahoo ever get better for forehand?
Nicklas Karlsson I'm going to guess it has to do with your release angle. It seems easier initially for people to throw backhand with more hyzer, and forehands with more anhyzer. Since the Wahoo is understable, it will flip up from a backhand hyzer into a nice full flight. On the forehand side, that disc just doesn't have the stability to pull itself out of the anhyzer angle at the power you're throwing it at.
I've been playing since June of 2015 and on average, on flat ground, I throw it backhand about 330' to 340' Can u recommend a driver that might get me an extra 20' to 30'? Stellar video btw!
I think the MVP Volt is the perfect disc for beginners who want to throw straight and get some distance without losing their disc. At speed 8, I think that's the highest beginners should worry about learning to throw. Very predictable flight pattern from my experience. But i'm like a 6.5 on a scale of 1 to 10 in skill.
I’m really looking for a video that speaks to the very low tolerance used in disc production. Yes the numbers could be where you need them to be, but the MAJORITY of discs are inconsistent in their production.
My advice to aspiring beginners is to throw star leopards under 170. Exclusively.. Use it for every type of shot. Then you'll realize your score is better compared to your friends lugging 20 discs around. And you can use your bag for BEER and SNACKS.
+henry manahan This is great advice. I pretty much do this. I do have a bespoke putter though. Now that I've got my hyzer flip game going a little bit, I achieve some pretty decent range with the leopard too. Mine is 174g though.
Does Turn-over simply mean that it changes its direction midflight? i´ve found a MVP Teleport Neutron disc while playing casually with my gf. i just played 3-4 times before with cheapo lent discs. than i thought i will give that thing some throws and it always made a really really hard s-like curve on me. i put all my effort in to throw that thing fast, but as i have no comparison to other players, i don´t know if my throw was stron or weak in your perspective. i threw rhfh most of the time with an early release, so that the disc flew in a leftcurve first. then it always drifted to the right hard.
ok you show the 3 discs that meet this criteria in the pro bag.... speed 11 wraith, speed 12 destroyer and speed 13 boss ---- I'm a noob with a very weak arm ... what speed 9 and 10 disc meet your criteria.... again my question what disc is a speed 9 or 10, glide of 5, turn of -1 to -3 and a fade of 3.... and oh id like the lightest weight disc that meets this category! thanks
Great video, but what about the same disc, different plastic? A pro plastic boss is different than a star plastic boss even thou there the same numbers. I myself buy the "cheap plastic" and replace as needed, and only buy pro plastic for damage endurance and for there different flight pattern, even thou there the same numbers.
Thank you for your videos, they are very thorough. I am looking for a Christmas gift to my fianceé, but I'd like to surprise him with "the best" disc possible. Your videos showed me that it isn't as simple as I thought. Can I ask for an advice, maybe a good suggestion of the best brand or a well rated Disc, please? I'd love to impress him with my choice. Any help is appreciated. :)
+helcris23gb No problem! As a quick reference, we've put together the list of what our research has determined to be 10-Best Overall Discs here: www.bestdiscgolfdiscs.com/the-best-overall-disc-golf-discs/ Also, if you go to our main page at www.bestdiscgolfdiscs.com you will find more options, broken down specifically by the player's skill and experience level. Good luck!
So if i can throw my max weight champion boss and get it to turn over on a consistent basis, does this mean I'm ready for that disc? I'm maxing out between 375, and 400. Now if i could just get it to go the direction i want it to...
My brother just started playing and he has crazy strength in his left arm. (He reached 300ft+ on his first day playing) unfortunately for him our course is made up of left hand turns. I hope I can find some discs that when thrown finishes right when thrown by him will fly straight and finish left.
+thorin dyer I'm a lefty player and I throw mostly sidearm on those shots, also if you are looking for turnover discs (LHBH turn to left) I would go with sidewinder, valkyrie, or archangel
RockCh4lk I suggest everyone starting at a baseline 170-172. Adjusting to heavier gives more wind resistance and more overall more overstable flight. Going lighter obviously have the opposite effect. That is not always the case though occasionally you get the oddball 167 overstable disc. Trial and error is almost always required, less so with Innova and Discraft though.
This might be the most important disc golf video ever made.
Wow, great tutorial! In under 10 minutes explains all the basics of throwing a disc for those of us who are getting better but still don't know all the details. Well done.
This is the single most GREATEST tutorial I have ever seen. EVER. subbed.
As a noob, I was trying to buy the cheapest discs. A seller refused to sell to me until i watched this and another video! Mad respect! I am so much more prepared to make "better" purchases as opposed to cheaper ones!!!
this channel is, by far, the best for disc golf tutorials/help. been playing for a few years now and still struggling with some shots. i live in northern Michigan so i only usually get about 4-5 months of decent weather, at best, to apply what i’ve learned from these videos. i’m more of a hands on learner, so i typically don’t grasp the info very well from books/videos. but this channel is a huge help with the best details, making it easier to understand
This is incredibly helpful. So many people pick up high speed discs and then get frustrated with them (including myself). This video does a great job explaining how to ease yourself into different discs. Thanks for the time and effort.
Great videos, sure it will help! Though I think the disc weight parameters is missing. if a max weight destroyer is too stable, how about trying a lighter weight one?
Man. I wish this would have been available when I started playing. I definitely look forward to seeing more videos. This will be a great benefit to players of all levels!
Tricia Lafferty Well said. Would have saved me alot of aimless digging around the internet had this been around before. Well done!
It would have saved me a lot of money on discs that weren't right for me. I think I am going to open up a used disc store soon. lol
+Tricia Lafferty Thank you! We'll be publishing new videos all spring, summer, and fall each year (Northern Hemisphere seasons), but we do take winter off!
This is a fantastic resource for new and seasoned players alike. I wanted to mention one key thing though that, as others have said, is an extremely important consideration--disc weight. I originally bought a 175g Pro Boss that was just too stable for my throwing speed. But instead of trying a slower speed or less stable disc, I bought a 155g R-Pro Boss. With my throwing speed, that disc now has an incredibly beautiful high speed turn and consistent fade which I can throw around 400 feet. And for those long uphill shots, I now have a 150g R-Pro Boss where the additional lift helps it get up the hill.
There is no mention in the video of disc weight (in this video) which is unfortunate since so many disc buyers don't know what weight to get for a given disc. But I do see there's a whole other video by BDGD that covers weight so maybe the 2 videos together assist in which model--and weight--to buy/use. Just remember, disc weight can be just as good as, if not better, of a way to modify the flight path as changing disc models. I now know the flight shape of all 3 discs which is quite different but helpful in different situations. But since they are the same model, they have the exact same feel in the hand which is helpful for consistency.
Thanks Josh -- and we couldn't agree more.
I was having trouble with my 9-speed discs with not getting distance (Valkyrie and Firebird) so I found our local disc shop here in Boise (very well stocked I may add) and chatted with the owner and after looking through my bag and asking a few questions his suggestion was....a Sidewinder, it was as stated in the video so good feelings there. I had just watched this video after purchasing the Sidewinder so will take it out this afternoon for a smoke test.
Excellent video. Something ALL beginning disc golfers should watch. Very well done. Even experienced players can benefit from watching this video.
This is my first time commening on a youtube video. This is the BEST tutorial video that explains disc golf so well.!!
This is what I needed months ago when I started. I've found, through lots of homework and common sense, that this video is dead on!!! I've thrown high speed discs, over-, under- and stable. The universal numbers on the discs definitely apply to the "pros" or high velocity throws. Ultimately, trial and error works best, and knowing what you can and can't throw, too.
Your videos are great! Keep up the good work. These have me thinking in a totally new way when I'm out on the course. Instead of just grabbing the disc that I feel like I can throw well I am putting a bit more thought into what I am picking. I always had a good idea of what my discs would do (barring I make a good throw), but now my choices are much more educated. Thanks again!
Honestly some of the most mint material in this video right here! Good work man!!!
Phenomenal video. Wow. 4mins in and liked and subscribed. Can't wait to watch all your vids. Well done. Blown away.
This explains why I'm starting to get the wander with my wraith, when I used to throw it a lot straighter.
Great video! Breaking this down into topics (disc selection, weight, release angle, etc) is more manageable. Would love to see a video later that puts it all together. Keep up the good work! Subscribed.
The. Best. DiscGolf. Tutorial. Ever!
Excellent data and presentation. May be a bit heady for the average consumer, but I find this information to be critical for dispelling myths concerning disc "speed" and the effective distance it will yield for players of varying ability levels. Great work. Cheers.
great video. i feel every beginner should watch this. you guys dumbed it down and helped me understand what the ratings on the discs mean. thanks
Great video. Crash and Wander would be good disc names too.
Prodigy has flight charts that help give people a rough flight based on their division of playing. Theyre much nicer than the possibly misleading ones out there. Nice vid!
Best tutorial still! I need more videos from all angles of disc golf from you guys. Perfectly explained! Thanks.
Bravo! Very well done. Thanks for the excellent, thorough, digestible, explanation. Disks demystified!
Interesting video. Most people start from the "noob" perspective, but I think this shows a more realistic approach since new players often tend to gravitate towards the higher-speed discs under the false assumption that they'll go farther. One minor criticism -- and maybe it was assumed and intentional -- is that this didn't say on what angle the discs were being thrown. I assume it was intended to convey a flat release, but it wasn't addressed. Hyzer-flips being an integral part of the game, I would LOVE to see y'all do a video on that topic similar to this. GREAT research and awesome narration. SUBSCRIBED!
This is a great video. So many things people learn on their own and would do so much better if more information like this was out there. Thank you!
Great video! I love how you didn't get too granular in regards to disc release angle and disc weights. I'm sure those subjects are on radar for videos down the line. Kept it simple. Great job! Just keep em coming, I think you'll build a large audience quickly. ;)
Finally something I can understand! This is just what the disc doctor ordered. Looking forward to more videos! Thanks! :-)
I remember throwing a Lightning when I first started playing. It would dive left like crazy. Then as I progressed, I could turn it over in the first 100ft of flight, usually rolling it. They were great for short, right dog-legs.
A fantastic guide. I've gone through many, many discs through trial and error.
That's even worse when all the brands productions lines are inconsistent
Learned more in this short vid than months of browsing the internet. Thanks!
Great solid advice. Easy to understand and implement for someone trying to elevate ones driving. Thanks
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8:12 A HA moment. I just started overpowering my DX Archangel (8 6 -4 1). I guess that's a sign my technique and power are getting better : ) OUTSTANDING video, by the way!
Micah Epps I have one too, and ended up going to a Viking and Valkyrie afterwards.
I’ve read lots of comments that the Archangel is basically useless to anybody except a total beginner with no developed arm speed yet. They’re already super understable when new, and only get worse when they beat in. I still have mine, and a few weeks ago, I threw it about 350 feet with a 15mph tailwind...it STILL turned right lol
the Best disc "whys it do that" series out there. thanks very much!
Highly INFORMATIVE !!! You put allot of work into this I can tell, fantastic job on that aspect. As far as it's PURPOSE, WoW!! ...like many said below, you nailed it!!
Good video. This man sounds like he has a good technical basis. I would love to see a good technical breakdown for different wind conditions, this seems to be the hardest part of where my game is at right now.
Most helpful video I’ve seen to date.
Great video with illustrations. Really helps with understanding everything involved. Looking forward to seeing more.
best disc golf videos by far...please make more!
I've been pretty good at one point but my "theory" has always been good and you encapsulated it nearly perfectly. My only comment is this is purely for distance which is almost never my objective aside from a few holes I've played. It's placement which regardless of wind may require me to throw a firebird or Z flick to bend and skip... or if slightly longer but with the same objective I would throw a wraith somewhat weak. edit: (RHBH mostly)
im a NOOB, and this is an awesome video. THANK YOU!!
Thank you very much for making this video, It was easy to understand with all your visuals and it was really good information!
EXCELLENT SYNOPSIS.
Thank you!
I just started exploring this sport and this video was very informative. thanks.
These videos are wonderful! I'd like to see discussions about how disc flight and selection might vary with air density (elevation), moisture and temperature. I'd also like to see how throwing uphill and downhill affects disc selection and how disc stability changes with time and what to do when discs change.
Great info, solid approach to explaining the dynamics. Can you do another one with Fairway/ Control Discs?
Instead of "tendency" I say "aerodynamic properties". The discs mold has properties and specific shapes giving "tendencies". I love your video and Im very into discs flight, speed, etc.
Amazing video! really enjoying all the videos you've posted so far. keep them coming!
Weight is super important too! At high altitude in Boulder where I live, I throw Wraiths for distance (400'-450' or so). But I save full weight (175g) Wraiths for shots I expect to fade at the end. For max D I go down to ~166. For tail wind or super-long hyzer-flip I'll occasionally throw a 158 Blizzard Wraith. They all feel similar have similar flight paths but the lighter ones just have more turn and glide. You can put them on a hyzer and still get them holding right for a while at the end.
Good things to think about for disc selection and looking to the future as well. Great job.
Super good content. Your videos made me the player I am today! Not great. But not bad!
Great video, i will be showing this to a lot of people. Only thing i would add is possible disc weight to add to the scale.
This was the most informative, best produced explanation I have heard. The one element I wish I could see in here has to do with weight, which seems to be a super important feature for many. In terms of benchmarks and target weights, is there a bell curve we should be looking to use or should I continue to experiment with all the 150-178 g discs
Haha I just found your weight video... Also awesome!
Stephen: Check out our video on Choosing the Best Disc Weight -- it should answer all of your questions!
+Best Disc Golf Discs Seriously, thank you for laying it all out so cleanly, I literally started yesterday (did surprisingly okay), but this really summed up all the physics for me perfectly.
I agree. I've been playing seriously for about 3 years and it surprised me how much I learned. Can't wait to watch their other videos!!!!
Wow...great video! I've been playing a about a year now. This video makes me feel like I've made all the right adjustments as far as driving disc. Thanks! Hopefully a video for driving the disc off the tee pad
Awesome video! Wish I had this 6 months ago when I started playing. I have 44 discs now and would've probably saved me hundreds of dollars if I had this information before. ;)
Great video looking forward to more in the series.
Destroyer is a fantastic forehand disc. Superb!
Great vid. Pls do one talking about weight.
Thanks! Nice job explaining.
Awesome explanation. Thank you!
Awesome videos. Thank you!
Great breakdown! Look forward to seeing more of these tutorials
These videos are amazing.
Great video. Wish you would have covered disc weight though. I think the weight of a disc has a major impact on its flight characteristics. Maybe just as important as the type of disc you choose is the weight of that disc.
Lol. 7 people disliked. Really. Great video. Hope to see more
Awesome, awesome video! This has really helped my understanding and therefore my disc selection. I'm guessing you're going to do a video on uphill/downhill shots in the future. Also, I understand your X,5,-1,3 system, but noodle-armed people like myself (my arms move notoriously slow) might look into X,5,-1,2 discs (For innova that is Viking, Krait, TeeDevil and Dominator) if they find the 3 fade to be a bit strong. Again, thanks for posting this hugely informative video!
Very helpful. I just recently started back playing after many years away so I'm basically back at square one. My first mistake was choosing a higher speed driver and also on the heavy side. Since I tend to overpower my throws (install grunt here), I strained my right arm and it has been sore for two weeks now. I started throwing LHBH but I have always been a natural RH and the LH just doesn't generate enough speed to be as effective as my RHBH. So what did I do? I started throwing RHFH because for some reason, it didn't strain my arm as bad. Problem with that now is that I still can't get the power necessary to throw my high speed driver so I am going to have to TOTALLY reinvent my bag with lower speed drivers and definitely lower weight. (at least until my arm heals or my technique gets better)
Solid video, with great information.
Going through fast discs when you already have some experience with the discs could be a good option. But for personal story I made that huge mistake when started and bought way too speedy discs at first. After hitting them to trees for a good while they did start to act like they should, but my arm speed never reached recommended speed of disc.
But that's another story. When you said that you should not go over -3 on turn, I strongly disagree. This spring I had to get all new discs due to certain reasons :) and was kind of forced to get Mamba as the store had it or Destroyer for distance drivers and I knew that Destroyer will crash land most of my throws.
So started to throw with mamba then, it has nice glide and with lower arm speeds you get really nice s-curve. Now when time has passed it has come obviously bit more understable and my arm speed has increased so I do hyzer-flip to get the curve. Ok, that is not optimal really, but learning to flip with it is something you should learn in some point of your game. So now when my arm speed has increased with the spin, I got more stable driver around the same speed and glide (Opto line Saint) I got two different shots in my bag then. I can still use the mamba for those hyzer-flips or like usually. I got nice out of the bag roller and great disc for elevated ground where I need to turnover the shot.
great vid keep it up! good luck on your youtube endevor!
You're a genius. Thank you for clearing up my concerns!
AMAZING VIDEO!
An excellent video, really breaks down variables related to the disks themselves, however why was disc weight not considered?
Thanks Kevy D -- we didn't get into weight in this video because it was already approaching 10 minutes in length, so we did a complete video about disc weight here: ruclips.net/video/CvpdTf_FjjM/видео.html
Great video! Thank you!
My drives are starting to hang out to the right and I couldn’t figure out why. Maybe I’m starting to out grow my discs. The wanderer theory makes a lot of sense.
I'm right-handed. What could cause my full-weight Wahoo (12, 6, -2, 2) to behave strangely? I throw a backhand it behaves just as expected but if I go forehand it does a spectacular edge-first crash to the left. Well, it doesn't turn that much left, more like switches to mid-air roller. I have no problems throwing a West Side Sword (12, 5, 0, 2) from either side. Surely I can't be overpowering it? Is the stability rating (-2 vs 2) related to this tendency to dive?
I got a Wahoo not long ago so that I could enjoy water crossings without risking throwing away more money. I know lots of snobby forum people say to just get good at throwing and avoid the water in the first place rather than rely on floating, but this doesn't work for me because I've been playing for 7 years and still lose discs in the ponds, so if my game was ever going to change to the point where I no longer ended up in the water ever again (or at least the vast majority of the times I attempted to throw near/across water), then over these past 7 years, that change would've taken place by now. So since it hasn't, I'd rather have a floating disc in my bag so that budget issues and/or the extra frustration that comes with losing a disc to water (as opposed to just having a really bad throw with no disc loss) doesn't steer me away from playing.
Got a bit sidetracked there, but my Wahoo instantly divebombs when I drive, and I've only attempted to use it a handful of times since purchase. Also, I've only thrown it forehand as that's the only way I can ever remotely get ok distance (still far less than average) and decent aiming consistency. It shows you commented 7 months ago; did your Wahoo ever get better for forehand?
Nicklas Karlsson I'm going to guess it has to do with your release angle. It seems easier initially for people to throw backhand with more hyzer, and forehands with more anhyzer. Since the Wahoo is understable, it will flip up from a backhand hyzer into a nice full flight. On the forehand side, that disc just doesn't have the stability to pull itself out of the anhyzer angle at the power you're throwing it at.
Amazing video. Thanks a ton.
I've been playing since June of 2015 and on average, on flat ground, I throw it backhand about 330' to 340' Can u recommend a driver that might get me an extra 20' to 30'? Stellar video btw!
Great explanation!
I think the MVP Volt is the perfect disc for beginners who want to throw straight and get some distance without losing their disc. At speed 8, I think that's the highest beginners should worry about learning to throw. Very predictable flight pattern from my experience. But i'm like a 6.5 on a scale of 1 to 10 in skill.
Thanks for the great advice!
Great video!
I’m really looking for a video that speaks to the very low tolerance used in disc production. Yes the numbers could be where you need them to be, but the MAJORITY of discs are inconsistent in their production.
My advice to aspiring beginners is to throw star leopards under 170. Exclusively.. Use it for every type of shot. Then you'll realize your score is better compared to your friends lugging 20 discs around. And you can use your bag for BEER and SNACKS.
+henry manahan This is great advice. I pretty much do this. I do have a bespoke putter though. Now that I've got my hyzer flip game going a little bit, I achieve some pretty decent range with the leopard too. Mine is 174g though.
+ruhje Same
Leopard are super flippy, throw Westside swords instead
Leopards aren't super flippy, they're essentially stable/straight line discs
After not playing for a few years I came back and used just my Leopard and Putter for two rounds and it got my game back to where it used to be.
Nice video. Can you do one on overhead/tomahawk shots?
Jared Langson just get a nuke OS.
Does Turn-over simply mean that it changes its direction midflight? i´ve found a MVP Teleport Neutron disc while playing casually with my gf. i just played 3-4 times before with cheapo lent discs. than i thought i will give that thing some throws and it always made a really really hard s-like curve on me. i put all my effort in to throw that thing fast, but as i have no comparison to other players, i don´t know if my throw was stron or weak in your perspective. i threw rhfh most of the time with an early release, so that the disc flew in a leftcurve first. then it always drifted to the right hard.
ok you show the 3 discs that meet this criteria in the pro bag.... speed 11 wraith, speed 12 destroyer and speed 13 boss ---- I'm a noob with a very weak arm ... what speed 9 and 10 disc meet your criteria.... again my question what disc is a speed 9 or 10, glide of 5, turn of -1 to -3 and a fade of 3.... and oh id like the lightest weight disc that meets this category! thanks
I watched this last summer when I first took up disc golf and it was sooo confusing. Now it makes perfect sense and I'm throwing the wrong discs. :-(
great info
Great video, but what about the same disc, different plastic? A pro plastic boss is different than a star plastic boss even thou there the same numbers. I myself buy the "cheap plastic" and replace as needed, and only buy pro plastic for damage endurance and for there different flight pattern, even thou there the same numbers.
Can you explain how weight could effect your disc choice?
Would fade ever have an effect on when the disc starts to decelerate? I would like to experiment and find this out but idk how to.
Thank you for your videos, they are very thorough. I am looking for a Christmas gift to my fianceé, but I'd like to surprise him with "the best" disc possible. Your videos showed me that it isn't as simple as I thought. Can I ask for an advice, maybe a good suggestion of the best brand or a well rated Disc, please? I'd love to impress him with my choice. Any help is appreciated. :)
+helcris23gb No problem! As a quick reference, we've put together the list of what our research has determined to be 10-Best Overall Discs here: www.bestdiscgolfdiscs.com/the-best-overall-disc-golf-discs/
Also, if you go to our main page at www.bestdiscgolfdiscs.com you will find more options, broken down specifically by the player's skill and experience level. Good luck!
so good keep it up
great advice!!
So if i can throw my max weight champion boss and get it to turn over on a consistent basis, does this mean I'm ready for that disc? I'm maxing out between 375, and 400. Now if i could just get it to go the direction i want it to...
My brother just started playing and he has crazy strength in his left arm. (He reached 300ft+ on his first day playing) unfortunately for him our course is made up of left hand turns. I hope I can find some discs that when thrown finishes right when thrown by him will fly straight and finish left.
+thorin dyer make him flick
+thorin dyer I'm a lefty player and I throw mostly sidearm on those shots, also if you are looking for turnover discs (LHBH turn to left) I would go with sidewinder, valkyrie, or archangel
How would you recommend selecting weight?
RockCh4lk I suggest everyone starting at a baseline 170-172. Adjusting to heavier gives more wind resistance and more overall more overstable flight. Going lighter obviously have the opposite effect. That is not always the case though occasionally you get the oddball 167 overstable disc. Trial and error is almost always required, less so with Innova and Discraft though.
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