@@thomaschristopherwhite9043apart from Micheal Scottie Kerr Rodman who else were really stars ? And if you’re not stars then you’re regular player ( omitting Kerr)
You don't have to be friends to have a conversation. Dennis is eccentric. Michael is a egomaniac. And Scottie is holding grudging for the days the pistons beat him down.
@@nigabastard1268 he smoked it with him. scottie was hurt at the time and dennis fouled out and left michael by himself, and they lost. dennis showed up to his hotel room and asked “you got another cigar?” and he never apologized but MJ took that as his apology. it’s in the last dance
Its like any job. You go home and don't have the time nor need to talk to your colleagues. They probably didn't even live any where near close to each other which makes it a whole lot more plausible.
@Dennis McConnell lebron is the superior flopper to Curry or Rodman. No 6-8 265 lb. man of solid muscle should be sent flying 8 feet by a 200 lb. opponent. Never ever saw a guy go to the free throws line more often by way of his defenders' noses fouling his (lebron's in this case) elbow. And lebron doesn't think he's EVER committed a foul.
I'd put both bill russell & Wilt Chamberlain ahead of Dennis in both categories...mostly because of how they deterred entire offenses from punctuating & trying to score inside. And when they DID venture inside, both those men were blocking close to 10 shots a game (8.2 for Russell & 8.8 for wilt, not from NBA official stats b/c they didn't track those numbers till '73 I believe...but statistician Harvey Pollack watched film & tracked blocks for over 100 games each, later in their careers). Rodman was a terror defensively, but only to his own man for the most part. Not a great shotblocker, not a guy who will stop you from trying to score inside. I guess i would say that he (rodman) was the better man defender of these three. More irritating for sure.
@@ignoblesavage5559 i respectfully disagree. I think in the modern nba with these DAWGS Bill Russell would play no better than Ben Wallace and Wilt Chamberlain would be like Giannis. Dennis Rodman would take care of both Wilt and Bill. The man locked up almost prime Shaq for goodness sake as well as Malone and prime Kemp....
@@Franco_City not sure what you're disagreeing with. I said one could argue he was a better man defender of these three. But when it comes to the effect on overall team defense, nobody avoided going into the lane just because Rodman was on the floor. He might shut 1 man down, but he's not doing what Russell & Wilt did to snuff out ANY attempts to get to the basket & have any kind of interior scoring. Their shotblocking & shot-altering skills were next-level, something Rodman couldn't even imagine doing.
To be honest, it probably helped them succeed. They didn’t feel the need to fake a lot of pleasantries. Trying to engage each other probably would’ve just led to conflict.
Yes not talking to the two best players worked in that isolated situation but that will not work the majority of time he couldn't talk to Scottie or Mike for 3 years clearly because those dudes have a problem getting along with they're teammates they've shown it
@C.S. S. Yeah, Dennis is a workaholic. Shaq isn't. Dennis is well outside what's normal. Shaq is straight up and down. Military son. LEO as a passion. Dennis despises authority. Shaq lives in it.
@@JodyFrancisWall by the time Dennis was with the Lakers he was washed up. He was not working hard when played with them. And that’s not a knock on him, he was older by then and was not as effective.
You don't have to be friends with everyone. Them not going to each other's houses for a barbeque, or going to each other's weddings, or be godfathers to each other's children - in short friends, is probably one of the reasons why the Bulls were unstoppable. Everyone came to work with their game faces on and was only there to dominate.
People forget they didn't have cell phones and social media back then like now so you had to actually hang out for it be conversations like that so it's not that surprising to hear
I relate. I get along well with my colleagues @ work. Professionalism, Courtesy, Performance. And thats where i draw the line...outside work i dont talk to any colleague
That just sounds like you want to get checked for autism or practice communication skills, might get you a better job. If you can't hold a conversation with someone you work with for a couple minutes you sound socially stunted, which by any means is not a good thing that's going to benefit you in the long run.
I believe that. I’ve had countless coworkers over the years whom I never had a conversation with out of work. And at work it 90% job related stuff. And with that there was zero drama.
Rodman was a front office decision fella. Rodman was still under contract and he was on his way outta the league because of his antics. Jordan didn't reach out to Rodman. Nice try though fella. Maybe u read that ur favorite player handpicks his teammates but ur favorite player FAVORITE PLAYER never handpicked his teammates fella lol. Go study up fella because when u REACH I TEACH
@@g24deez It was implied that MJ agreed with the decision to get Dennis as long as Phil Jackson could keep him on a short leash. MJ only cared about winning and knew what kind of player Rodman was. He knew Dennis was competitive down deep and hated losing just like himself. It was a hard sale though for the rest of the team, but Scottie said it didn't take him long to come around to liking playing with Dennis.
Get the rebounds,terrorize the opponents big man ,infuse the team with high energy and toughness,and free up the dynamic duo to focus on scoring- that was Rodman.😎
Why do people feel like it's necessary to try and make friends with everybody especially your coworkers it's pathetic. The majority of people are too dysfunctional to be around each other anyway. People should take what Michael, Scotty, and Dennis did and apply it to their lives but i know people are incapable of doing this.
I feel like Steph, Dray, and Klay talk to each other off the court. But I could be wrong. But either way I get it, I have coworkers who Ive worked with for yrs and know very little about their lives outside of work bc i dont talk to them and they dont talk to me unless it's work related.
Though Draymond’s skillset more closely resembles Dennis,’ the more accurate correlation may be that of whether the GSW core was all that social with Durant.
Straight respect thank you Dennis Rodman I had the pleasure of meeting you at my work Keep on kicking butt champ bless you and your family always ✌🏼💪🏻🏀🏆
He talked to Steve Kerr and the other role players. Dennis knew his role and his place. He didn’t have to be MJ or Pip’s pal. He didn’t have to act like a star. He needed to bond more with blue collar types instead of the Superheroes.
Wait a minute didnt MJ go to Vegas to drag him out of bed.. I'm sure there was a conversation that took place then and that wasn't on a basketball court
@@MetaITurtle I ONLY found out TODAY that he dressed as a bride to marry HIMSELF! Wonder how he pulled THAT off! Could just as well have worn the tuxedo...
Dennis was and is real. He played ball and converted with people that weren’t Divas or felt over everybody. F Mrs. Jordan he used Dennis to raise his own name. F ‘em
They never forgave Dennis for those days with the Pistons and they didn't respect his off the court lifestyle. But they knew how absolutely valuable he was to the team. He was like a house appliance; a vacuum cleaner that you never spoke to when you weren't using it.
Dennis knew that if he talked with someone, there was a chance that there could be a fight between them, so he avoided scenarios where a conversation could lead to a fight, which would sink the entire team.
Back in the days, Dennis used to rough them up when he played for Detroit.So they just avoided one another.now Dennis did go to mj room and asked for a cigar.
It takes a lot of suffering in silence, guts and determination and trauma to get to where Dennis is. I have mad respect for any man who lives by their own principles. Good or bad. He’s an original. Say what you want behind his back. Few would confront him to his face.
THATS RIGHT DENNIS, YOU WENT TO PLAY THE GAME & WIN, THATS ALL. YOU DIDN'T GO TO MAKE FRIENDS, YOU WENT TO PLAY THE GAME & WIN. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED DENNIS.💯🙏🏼🏆🤑
I met Dennis at the Alamo done he was a down to earth guy and have to say he was the coolest player on the team for the sa Spurs always the last one to show up for a game and the last one to leave i asked him about it he said he works out an hour after each game kool guy
Dennis a real one! He talked with the regular dudes on the team.
Had know choice. The stars didn’t want to talk
@@jamesball8519 says a lot about "the stars"...
all the white guys accepted the misfit. Yall gotta remember. Rodman was so misunderstood back then in the 90s
There were no regular dudes on that team.
@@thomaschristopherwhite9043apart from Micheal Scottie Kerr Rodman who else were really stars ? And if you’re not stars then you’re regular player ( omitting Kerr)
Just different personalities. No biggie. The point was to win, not become best friends, lol. It's business
Rodman it’s not personal… it’s Business
You don't have to be friends to have a conversation. Dennis is eccentric. Michael is a egomaniac. And Scottie is holding grudging for the days the pistons beat him down.
@@truthis612 great observation and opine teetering on the factual.
Dennis was/is a different kind of dude. I'm not that surprised to hear this
For real ... all 3 were locked in
"may I have a cigar"
-The only conversation Rodman had with Jordan outside the court
Facts🤣
God knows what he did with that cigar
@@nigabastard1268 Smoked it...?
@@nigabastard1268 he smoked it with him. scottie was hurt at the time and dennis fouled out and left michael by himself, and they lost. dennis showed up to his hotel room and asked “you got another cigar?” and he never apologized but MJ took that as his apology. it’s in the last dance
@@catfishandbass86800
He looked at it like a job. He didn’t have to like people or get along with them. He was doing what he got paid for
Bro was treating the nba like a 9-5
@@jioreyes5838lol you go to work and never speak to anyone you work with?
@@cb86258 he said he talked to some guys didnt he?
@@Rakven yeah but this is like never speaking to your boss or the people you work with the most.
@@jioreyes5838the joker does the same thing dude
Its like any job. You go home and don't have the time nor need to talk to your colleagues. They probably didn't even live any where near close to each other which makes it a whole lot more plausible.
I haven't spoke with my wife in years! Things are great!
Me either we’ve been married 24 years.
Lmao 🤣
Both y’all gettin cheated on behind y’all back with BBC 🤣🤣💯
@@honchodamenace1179 bbc must be desperate.
😂😂😂
You don't need to be friends to be successful, you need to be professional to be successful and there it is right there .
Rodman is fukin legend. Dude played with ferocity that Draymond wishes for
Couldn't guard Larry Bird
@@davidjarvis7966Couldn’t climb Mount Everest. Couldn’t go to Mars. Couldn’t suck 20 D’s simultaneously.
Yeah it sounds that dumb.
@@davidjarvis7966Could anyone? The guy had 3 MVPs in a row.
@@mikea22875mvp is a media popularity contest.
@@mikea22875yeah he’s one of the goats
You don't have to like or get along with coworkers. You just have to keep it civil and try to help each other achieve the objective.
Exactly. In fact some of the best colleagues are those who stay out of each other's business
SPOT ON. Your coworkers are just like family, you didn't choose them but you're stuck with them and have to try and get along.
So true.
Kim Jon Un was more important to talk to...
So true. Nice and civil nice and professional
Dennis Rodman is the best defensive and rebounder ever and a true Hall of Famer
He definitely should’ve got playoff mvp for that first championship he had with the Bulls.
@Dennis McConnell lebron is the superior flopper to Curry or Rodman. No 6-8 265 lb. man of solid muscle should be sent flying 8 feet by a 200 lb. opponent. Never ever saw a guy go to the free throws line more often by way of his defenders' noses fouling his (lebron's in this case) elbow. And lebron doesn't think he's EVER committed a foul.
I'd put both bill russell & Wilt Chamberlain ahead of Dennis in both categories...mostly because of how they deterred entire offenses from punctuating & trying to score inside. And when they DID venture inside, both those men were blocking close to 10 shots a game (8.2 for Russell & 8.8 for wilt, not from NBA official stats b/c they didn't track those numbers till '73 I believe...but statistician Harvey Pollack watched film & tracked blocks for over 100 games each, later in their careers). Rodman was a terror defensively, but only to his own man for the most part. Not a great shotblocker, not a guy who will stop you from trying to score inside. I guess i would say that he (rodman) was the better man defender of these three. More irritating for sure.
@@ignoblesavage5559 i respectfully disagree. I think in the modern nba with these DAWGS Bill Russell would play no better than Ben Wallace and Wilt Chamberlain would be like Giannis. Dennis Rodman would take care of both Wilt and Bill. The man locked up almost prime Shaq for goodness sake as well as Malone and prime Kemp....
@@Franco_City not sure what you're disagreeing with. I said one could argue he was a better man defender of these three. But when it comes to the effect on overall team defense, nobody avoided going into the lane just because Rodman was on the floor. He might shut 1 man down, but he's not doing what Russell & Wilt did to snuff out ANY attempts to get to the basket & have any kind of interior scoring. Their shotblocking & shot-altering skills were next-level, something Rodman couldn't even imagine doing.
Business is business, friend is friend, don't ever mix it up.
I assume that you are a pupil or at least very young for saying this epic sounding, but still very stupid comment.
That’s a dumb statement.
You still believe in friends .? Lmfao ThT shit is for the weak….
@@yellowjacket4843that says more about you😔😏🤦🏻♂️
These comments feel so forced lmao
To be honest, it probably helped them succeed. They didn’t feel the need to fake a lot of pleasantries. Trying to engage each other probably would’ve just led to conflict.
So, the message for the day: YOU DONT HAVE TO LIKE A PERSON, TO BE A GREAT TEAMMATE!
#wegagging 😭😂😭
Don’t have to TALK to a person to be a great team mate, nothing able like or dislike.
They're not in the 7th grade. How do you know they didn't "like" each other. There was nothing to say. They were completely different off the court.
Tell that to Scottie
You dont have to like a person to respect him.
Yes not talking to the two best players worked in that isolated situation but that will not work the majority of time he couldn't talk to Scottie or Mike for 3 years clearly because those dudes have a problem getting along with they're teammates they've shown it
I believe it... Kobe Bryant once described him as the best teammate he ever had because he never has to speak to him off of the Basketball court...
Ironically, Shaq said it was the toughest season of his life having to play alongside Dennis. Crazy!
@C.S. S. Yeah, Dennis is a workaholic. Shaq isn't. Dennis is well outside what's normal. Shaq is straight up and down. Military son. LEO as a passion. Dennis despises authority. Shaq lives in it.
@@JodyFrancisWall by the time Dennis was with the Lakers he was washed up. He was not working hard when played with them. And that’s not a knock on him, he was older by then and was not as effective.
@Lamar still averaged over 11 rebounds in 28min.
@@JodyFrancisWall true, he still was a rebounding machine
Dennis is one of a kind 😂
Before they were teammates Pippin and Jordan hated Dennis, he gave pip some stitches when he was a piston pushig him from behind
We don't need to talk if I'm doing my job.
This is a dumb comment tho because he spoke to other players just not MJ and pippen
@@PrinceInawRakah whats dumb is liking a comment you think is right pov you.
@@jzoetheshit you don’t even make sense
This makes no sense, he said they only had conversations ON THE COURT and not off. Their job was also ON THE COURT and not off.
They literally talked only while doing their job...
Given the success they achieved that’s incredible
Weird is Dennis's normal
It’s pretty interesting
They was jus better I mean way better
💯 I loved 90’s basketball
Dennis Treated Basketball Strictly like a job, You don't need to make friends to do a Job Correctly
Straight to business. Champs
He was all business put in the work and would dominate any ERA
I've worked with employees I didn't talk to while at work. I totally understand.
He only talked to them at work...
Which is what most people do.
You not talking to anyone during work.. is just weird.
Dennis is bright, smart, intelligent.....he was an amazing basketball player!!!!! We loved watching him play!!!!!!
Facts. You go to work to work not to fraternize.
Exactly 💯
Keeping it professional we aint friends we co workers
the real MVP right here. The most underrated and best defender, rebounder...EVER!
Underrated rebounder?? WTF??
Underrated? He was inducted into the Hall of Fame. What you smokin? 😂
Now thats being professional
Strictly business - I would've been partying after games w/ Rodman😂 dude's a blast
TheIR PLAY DID THE TALKIN
And win you all did! Thanks for your tireless and relentless play on the court also!
You don't have to be friends with everyone. Them not going to each other's houses for a barbeque, or going to each other's weddings, or be godfathers to each other's children - in short friends, is probably one of the reasons why the Bulls were unstoppable. Everyone came to work with their game faces on and was only there to dominate.
I remember Michael saying after Dennis got kicked out he came to his room and smoked a cigar.
I love Dennis Rodman!!!
He’s not better than Dennis frogman tho
its like a regular job. You talk to everyone at work when you are at work, but once you are done. you part ways until next time you meet at work lol
The talking was all done on the court...thats the only place the talking matters...BIG FACTS!
3 of the hardest practicing, playing, and winners in NBA history. Dennis Rodman is one of if not the smartest pro basketball players ever!
People forget they didn't have cell phones and social media back then like now so you had to actually hang out for it be conversations like that so it's not that surprising to hear
There was cellphones when they played together and social media
Real men need no words to understand each other.
men aren't known for their strong communication skills
@@laoch5658 Maybe it's the listening skills that are the problem, not the communication.
Mr.Rodman, You've connected with the free side of myself. As in "I'm great at what I do".
"And; You're not My business".
"I'll do My Job "
My personal opinion is that, Dennis Rodman's game spoke enough. I'm convinced that Dennis was there to win .
I relate. I get along well with my colleagues @ work. Professionalism, Courtesy, Performance. And thats where i draw the line...outside work i dont talk to any colleague
That just sounds like you want to get checked for autism or practice communication skills, might get you a better job. If you can't hold a conversation with someone you work with for a couple minutes you sound socially stunted, which by any means is not a good thing that's going to benefit you in the long run.
The" Good Time" actors were the same way
Worked with some people for years and didn't even know there last name or hung out after work but we were good work buddies...
He didn’t need to be friends with MJ & Pip, but all 3 were on the same page about taking care of business on the court
Happy and emotionally healthy people right there.
I believe that. I’ve had countless coworkers over the years whom I never had a conversation with out of work. And at work it 90% job related stuff. And with that there was zero drama.
Dennis is so freak'n great on the court!
I just read that MJ wanted Rodman the team and Pippen was livid. After watching The Last Dance the entire story opened up lots of cans of worms.
Pun intended
Rodman was a front office decision fella. Rodman was still under contract and he was on his way outta the league because of his antics.
Jordan didn't reach out to Rodman. Nice try though fella. Maybe u read that ur favorite player handpicks his teammates but ur favorite player FAVORITE PLAYER never handpicked his teammates fella lol. Go study up fella because when u REACH I TEACH
@@g24deez It was implied that MJ agreed with the decision to get Dennis as long as Phil Jackson could keep him on a short leash. MJ only cared about winning and knew what kind of player Rodman was. He knew Dennis was competitive down deep and hated losing just like himself. It was a hard sale though for the rest of the team, but Scottie said it didn't take him long to come around to liking playing with Dennis.
From 5’6” as a high school freshman to one of the best rebounders in NBA history 🤯
and a fuking supreme athelete he moved like the wind up and down the court, jeez
5x NBA champion as well in my opinion hes the best lol
He hit 6’7” at 18
I love this guy, awesome
Dennis” we really practiced the art of mental telepathy “
This is a man that knew his role. Conversation about what?! GET THE BALL DENNIS. AND THEN PASS IT OFF! End of conversation!
Get the rebounds,terrorize the opponents big man ,infuse the team with high energy and toughness,and free up the dynamic duo to focus on scoring- that was Rodman.😎
He never made a pass in his life, he just handed the ball to Jordan or Kerr
@@Gregory-sm9pf that’s what I was calling a pass. 🤷🏻♂️😁👍
@@philrobbins6591 ok, that's cool 😎
Denis knew what he was there for the 20+ rebounds a game and getting that ball to Mike
Why do people feel like it's necessary to try and make friends with everybody especially your coworkers it's pathetic. The majority of people are too dysfunctional to be around each other anyway. People should take what Michael, Scotty, and Dennis did and apply it to their lives but i know people are incapable of doing this.
Gotta love daman! One of a kind
The very fact that the Bulls took him on to the team proves their maturity and great scouting.
And their chemistry between jordan/scottie with rodman was amazing
I feel like Steph, Dray, and Klay talk to each other off the court. But I could be wrong. But either way I get it, I have coworkers who Ive worked with for yrs and know very little about their lives outside of work bc i dont talk to them and they dont talk to me unless it's work related.
Though Draymond’s skillset more closely resembles Dennis,’ the more accurate correlation may be that of whether the GSW core was all that social with Durant.
I'm not here to make friends, I'm here to win!
Straight respect thank you Dennis Rodman I had the pleasure of meeting you at my work Keep on kicking butt champ bless you and your family always ✌🏼💪🏻🏀🏆
He talked to Steve Kerr and the other role players. Dennis knew his role and his place. He didn’t have to be MJ or Pip’s pal. He didn’t have to act like a star. He needed to bond more with blue collar types instead of the Superheroes.
Wait a minute didnt MJ go to Vegas to drag him out of bed.. I'm sure there was a conversation that took place then and that wasn't on a basketball court
MJ walked in said Dennis hurry up you're late for practice....Dennis replied let me put on some pants real quick
They probably thought he was strange because how he would dress etc but they judged him before getting to know him
@@MetaITurtle
I ONLY found out TODAY that he dressed as a bride to marry HIMSELF! Wonder how he pulled THAT off! Could just as well have worn the tuxedo...
Come on dude he mean like talking how you would talk to your friends 🤨
That’s due to Rodman kicking their ass when he was in Pistons bad boys
Rodman was the realist of them all. Pip was following MJ with the wife and family while DR was dating the hottest babes and partying about town.
😂😂 Facts
MJ & Pippen got him on the team for the basketball, they obviously didn't care for him off the court.
More then obvious
I loved Rodman, best defensive player in his era. Jordan and definitely Pippen were never any of my favorite people.
Or maybe Rodman just didn't want to deal with the pretentious bull💩🤷🏾♀️
Pippen did not want him on the team at all
@@nisharobin3205 Or maybe back then the beef was still there. Cause Rodman and Jordan have obviously made up
I remember Rodman in the 90s ... good times ❤
No talking needed.....just WINNING. #BestTeamInNBAhistory
Dennis was and is real. He played ball and converted with people that weren’t Divas or felt over everybody. F Mrs. Jordan he used Dennis to raise his own name. F ‘em
Here’s a secret when building a team. Wether it be sports or business. The more you speak to a teammate then you know you’re not on top of your shit!
Bro that is a terrible business strategy
An iconic trio and never spoke is insane to me!!!
The fact they had that much chemistry pn the court and never really talked is nuts !
Yes idle chit chat is annoying.
Dennis talks to regular people.
Im just glad that Luc Longley got his own documentary
Straight up professionals. Succeeded in getting the job done. Respect
I love Dennis. Always gave 100% effort and sacrificed his body many times.
Had to talk basketball that’s it
They never forgave Dennis for those days with the Pistons and they didn't respect his off the court lifestyle. But they knew how absolutely valuable he was to the team. He was like a house appliance; a vacuum cleaner that you never spoke to when you weren't using it.
Love Your Talent Rodman. You GAVE Your ALL! Thank You
Dennis knew that if he talked with someone, there was a chance that there could be a fight between them, so he avoided scenarios where a conversation could lead to a fight, which would sink the entire team.
Yeah, OK FOH
@@who3514 see look lol
They were all alphas
He told you this personally or what? Kook
Back in the days, Dennis used to rough them up when he played for Detroit.So they just avoided one another.now Dennis did go to mj room and asked for a cigar.
MJ probably not such a nice guy
nope
Everyone knows Jordan’s a petty mf
Dennis is actually a shy introvert. Nobody would ever think that due to his antics. But I’m one so I know the signs.
A shy introvert with a reputation for partying all the time? Ok, fella
Steve Kerr, most underrated of all time
A collective of talent that did it all, most nba titles was war, never easy
It worked. Each knew what it took to win, no words needed.
Exactly he was there to do a job he was on a mission wasnt there to make friends even though they were all cool and respected each other ❤
Dennis Rodman was the only reason I watched basketball back then. He was very entertaining, and one of the greatest characters of all time.
It takes a lot of suffering in silence, guts and determination and trauma to get to where Dennis is. I have mad respect for any man who lives by their own principles. Good or bad. He’s an original. Say what you want behind his back. Few would confront him to his face.
THATS RIGHT DENNIS, YOU WENT TO PLAY THE GAME & WIN, THATS ALL. YOU DIDN'T GO TO MAKE FRIENDS, YOU WENT TO PLAY THE GAME & WIN. MISSION ACCOMPLISHED DENNIS.💯🙏🏼🏆🤑
This man knew the assignment!
I believe this attitude is true in loving relationships too 😂
I met Dennis at the Alamo done he was a down to earth guy and have to say he was the coolest player on the team for the sa Spurs always the last one to show up for a game and the last one to leave i asked him about it he said he works out an hour after each game kool guy
He was a cancer in San Antonio
I love Dennis Rodman. Not sure if I could carry on a conversation with him, but I love him.
Just Win..& We celebrate as a Team together ...Makes Players, Coaches , Front office and More importantly --THE Fans - HAPPY...😊😉🤙💪👍
One of my best friends. Never even knew his name. - Ron Swanson 😂
Your a fucking legend man 91💪👍boom! Bulls wouldn't have ever got where they were without you bro!! You knw tha mun!! 👍🏀🏀🏀
Dennis was real . He did not need fake friends
He was not stupid . He knew those two did not like him . He was there because of Phil Jackson
Mike wasn't tryna kick it 😂
dennis my idol, the legendary