Ha! That was exactly my point! Complicated networks can be broken down into simple, constituent parts. We know this, so it does not require the supernatural to explain something just because we don't or can't understand it. There is still that one thing, though: It's still a tough one to admit that the conscious experience itself may be a product of simpler material processes. That is one whole that seems greater than the sum of its parts.
+pocket83² Patterns, patterns. Simple feedback loops. Little, fundamental rules that result in enormously complex systems. The very stuff of life? The underlying structure of the universe? Jeff Hawkins, one of the inventors of the original Palm Pilot, has been doing a lot of really interesting research and writing about the bottom-level visual / neural systems, down to networks of small numbers of individual neurons, and how these systems could theoretically "recognize" transitions, edges, lines, and eventually patterns. He's woven this research into a startup called Numenta which attempts to use similar simple trainable feedback networks, this time of software algorithms, to perform actual useful machine learning and pattern recognition. numenta.com/ He summarized his early thinking in a great, readable book "On Intelligence". www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003J4VE5Y/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1 And I'm sure I don't need to mention Conway's "Life" and the world of cellular automata. But It might be interesting to think about holograms in this context. Are Moire patterns interference patterns? Not *really* but they are sort of related. Interference patterns are what holograms are made of and they are really fascinating. There are all sorts of amazing hologram phenomena (break them into pieces and each piece contains the entire pattern etc. Making holograms is very twitchy, delicate stuff. But there is a way to hand draw holograms using math and basic physics. From the brilliant, bizarre mind of Bill Beaty amasci.com/amateur/holo1.html Try actually making these -- it's mind blowing. Thanks
+sreyemhtes Thanks for the thought food. I will investigate these suggestions in the near future, but I will be too busy for heavy reading over the next couple of days. On a related note, I'm presently on page 40 of Bostrom's _Superintelligence,_ so this content is right up the alley of my interests. Seriously though, I appreciate provoking comments ;)
+pocket83² You might possibly be the ONLY RUclipsr ever to be able to spark philosophical conversation about life itself from a couple minutes of playing with bug mesh. Nicely done!
+pocket83² Superintelligence looks super interesting, but perhaps a much tougher read than the Hawkins book...maybe I will work up the energy to give it a shot some time...
I agree. But mrs. pocket might not; she is still angry over the catenary hanging in the entryway, so hanging another weird thing on the walls might not be my best move.
Try with Penrose tiling. It is so cool. And Moire patterns can be a little tricky in the movement they appear to suggest... Another interesting fact is that your video probably was bigger in size because of the patterns. The reason for this is that the way data compression works: videos that share more similarities with random noise are generally bad for the compression... I heard you can test this for videos of the same time size to see the difference.
You can see the effect with a single sheet of screen because it's casting a shadow that creates the "second screen". The effect you see on television screens and monitors is a problem for graphic artists especially.
I always used to think this or something similar was what they used on the set of Star Trek TOS above the corridors and behind the transporter, but now the show is in HD it looks like there's some sort of textured glass involved, this totally looks like it though. I bet if you put one layer on a glass 1" above a mirror with the other layer on the mirror itself it would look amazing.
Sure. It has to do with the pixels, which are there in both cases. If you want to get even deeper, those pixels are also being presented in timed waves (this is often called 'refresh rate'), which can produce emergent/overlap patterns of their own when they are seen through another timed wave. Ever see flickering TV on a TV? Yeah, that.
Whoa! Seems like the "smart" youtubers do get in sync with their videos. Here another video released a few days later where do they similar patterns based on the same visual effect
When the light hits your eyes
Through a screen built for flies
That's a Moiré
Azayles as my favorite xkcd comic goes:
When a grid's misaligned
With another behind
That's a Moiré
When the spacing is tight
And the difference is slight
That's a Moiré
:P
geniuses, all of you 🤣
He says "without any magic"... from thousands of miles away with words transmitted by light beams.
Ha! That was exactly my point! Complicated networks can be broken down into simple, constituent parts. We know this, so it does not require the supernatural to explain something just because we don't or can't understand it.
There is still that one thing, though: It's still a tough one to admit that the conscious experience itself may be a product of simpler material processes. That is one whole that seems greater than the sum of its parts.
+pocket83² Patterns, patterns. Simple feedback loops. Little, fundamental rules that result in enormously complex systems. The very stuff of life? The underlying structure of the universe?
Jeff Hawkins, one of the inventors of the original Palm Pilot, has been doing a lot of really interesting research and writing about the bottom-level visual / neural systems, down to networks of small numbers of individual neurons, and how these systems could theoretically "recognize" transitions, edges, lines, and eventually patterns. He's woven this research into a startup called Numenta which attempts to use similar simple trainable feedback networks, this time of software algorithms, to perform actual useful machine learning and pattern recognition.
numenta.com/
He summarized his early thinking in a great, readable book "On Intelligence".
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B003J4VE5Y/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?ie=UTF8&btkr=1
And I'm sure I don't need to mention Conway's "Life" and the world of cellular automata.
But It might be interesting to think about holograms in this context. Are Moire patterns interference patterns? Not *really* but they are sort of related. Interference patterns are what holograms are made of and they are really fascinating. There are all sorts of amazing hologram phenomena (break them into pieces and each piece contains the entire pattern etc. Making holograms is very twitchy, delicate stuff. But there is a way to hand draw holograms using math and basic physics. From the brilliant, bizarre mind of Bill Beaty
amasci.com/amateur/holo1.html
Try actually making these -- it's mind blowing.
Thanks
+sreyemhtes Thanks for the thought food. I will investigate these suggestions in the near future, but I will be too busy for heavy reading over the next couple of days. On a related note, I'm presently on page 40 of Bostrom's _Superintelligence,_ so this content is right up the alley of my interests. Seriously though, I appreciate provoking comments ;)
+pocket83²
You might possibly be the ONLY RUclipsr ever to be able to spark philosophical conversation about life itself from a couple minutes of playing with bug mesh. Nicely done!
+pocket83² Superintelligence looks super interesting, but perhaps a much tougher read than the Hawkins book...maybe I will work up the energy to give it a shot some time...
Yeah new pocket videos !
Good to see you back ;-)
Whoa.. what seems so simple until you see it. Beautiful.
Looks like you're zooming in to one single square. When you rotate it Crazy
I think a piece of wall art where one of the layers rotates would be a nice piece for guests to look at.
I agree. But mrs. pocket might not; she is still angry over the catenary hanging in the entryway, so hanging another weird thing on the walls might not be my best move.
+pocket83² Catenary... is that code for "loose wire hanging out of the ceiling"? ;)
+pocket83² just make her a wooden ring encrusted with an oval gemstone like opal. Mrs.pocket will be very pleased
Try with Penrose tiling. It is so cool. And Moire patterns can be a little tricky in the movement they appear to suggest...
Another interesting fact is that your video probably was bigger in size because of the patterns. The reason for this is that the way data compression works: videos that share more similarities with random noise are generally bad for the compression...
I heard you can test this for videos of the same time size to see the difference.
This reminds me of those moving picture ones where you slide on of these screens across a broken up picture.
That happens in my regular vision when i look at certain patterns due to mires erlen syndrome or “visual stress” drives me fucking bonkers
You can see the effect with a single sheet of screen because it's casting a shadow that creates the "second screen". The effect you see on television screens and monitors is a problem for graphic artists especially.
that's an antialiasing issue within the matrix... just ignore it
I always used to think this or something similar was what they used on the set of Star Trek TOS above the corridors and behind the transporter, but now the show is in HD it looks like there's some sort of textured glass involved, this totally looks like it though. I bet if you put one layer on a glass 1" above a mirror with the other layer on the mirror itself it would look amazing.
Cool idea.
Hey wood (haha get it?) you attempt a wooden bowl? On the lathe if so that would be awesome thanks
I saw a video about this not too long ago on Numberphile. Really cool.
I get this when moving a high definition picture around on my phone or pc screen.
I wonder if Nyquist played with bug screens. It seems like a lot of his theory can be illustrated with them.
At :40 does it do that effect on CRTs as well, or just flat panels?
Sure. It has to do with the pixels, which are there in both cases.
If you want to get even deeper, those pixels are also being presented in timed waves (this is often called 'refresh rate'), which can produce emergent/overlap patterns of their own when they are seen through another timed wave. Ever see flickering TV on a TV? Yeah, that.
reminds me of vector field graphs
looks like wood grain
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Whoa! Seems like the "smart" youtubers do get in sync with their videos. Here another video released a few days later where do they similar patterns based on the same visual effect
Here's another twist on moire patterns: ruclips.net/video/QAja2jp1VjE/видео.html
We see this in everyday lifes
Yeah but have you ever seen a moire pattern...on weed?
No, but I have to admit that it would be pretty cool.
+pocket83² so this is your second channel? i subbed you cool man love your work
i see there is alot of trolls in here just ignore them.
3,000 subscribers!!
Whoo hoo! But tbh, I'm trying to keep this one low-key: That way, the comments are nicer (and smarter).
GOOD IDEA!! YOU ARE GREAT BTW!
Tubesock on his main chanel he have over 70, 000 I believe
far out.
deep.
thanks
Woe...
Ruined my video quality
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