There's no way K'sante is broken. He's only an unkillable super tank with good mobility and three displacements. At least he pays for all that strength by having low damage wait hold on
Depends how you view broken tbh. Some say he’s broken because of his op kit while others say he’s not broken even if that op kit because he can’t 1v5 carry.
i agree on iceborne always. but in ap matchups I usually go visage second into stoneplate. than thornmail and flex last item based on what I need (sunfire, chains, force of nature...)
lowering the skill ceiling drastically by removing a lot of his (harder) combos and making the easier spells do more damage/way easier to hit was the problem
No. Especially early game. I would call it almost exactly like Fiora, Trundle, or Irelia. If you spam your q or are forced to use w or e, then you can run out of mana early levels. And after an all in, unless you ult, you're left with less than half. That's a large part of biscuits too. Levels 2-4 you're struggling with mana. Even at 6-7 you risk it.
@@GOSS_3 Yeah he uses a lot of mana early, but that is cause they upped the mana costs on his abilities after this comment was made. At the moment he can only use q 9 times before running out of mana before first back, but back then he could spam it without issue.
I would say Bami's Cinder isn't the ideal first back item component. By far the most successful thing you can get is a component from IceBorn Gauntlet depending on if you need armor/hp + cdr/ or straight up damage when you can get away with it. This is what I see all K'Sante players build and you can just run down your lane opponent after you finish IceBorn. Like it's legit nuts how you can be somewhat behind and just crush your opponent when you complete this item. Just the other day I was playing Darius into K'Sante. He was about 20-30 cs behind and I had one kill on him. He got a Kindlegem and just farmed and occasionally tried to fight with me(the fights were close for someone who was behind.) After he finished it I just couldn't do anything. The perma slow didn't let me get Qs on him and he completely shredded through me with his true damage.
i agree i did try bamis but it did make it easier to stay alive in lane, but felt pretty weak for a while. Was against Garen tho so was playing passive
Id like to add, you made some good points however not all you said are the things Ksante mains use/do. bami/sunfire is almost never worth it because you dont build that much health, you focus more on armour/mr because that increases your damage. Other tanks get 2-4x as much value out of sunfire so you can for it but only if they have like 3 people who will be permanently inside of you in team fights. Atreus, the nr1 ksante posted a guide a few days ago, recommend checking him out too if you want to pick up this champion
They should tune him down some more but I still think he is the best designed tank in the game. Out of all of them he is the only one that feels the most fun to play and pilot. Does he have a lot? Yeah. Is he the most fun tank to play in the game? Absolutely.
Depends how you view broken tbh. Some say he’s broken because of his op kit while others say he’s not broken even if that op kit because he can’t 1v5 carry.
@@owo4470 don't forget that he still maintains his Tank Effectiveness, meaning that Bami's and Gargoyle's Proc like he has his full Tank HP Bar. His Q also retains the ability to slow, for some reason, since his passive and CC Chain being buffed wasn't something worthy of mention before.
He doesn't have that great of an early game tbh. He only does well against other champs with weak earlies or immobile champs. If you ult blindly against a Darius, Renekton, Garen, Irelia, or most bruisers you are likely to get shat on.
Why play squishy damage dealing champions when you can play a full tank dealing more damage than any carry and being nigh on unkillable when ahead with pretty much no lane counters? K’Sante is again symptom of Riot overcomplicating their champ designs. Theoretically, K’Sante’s kit could be stripped down pretty seriously and he’d still be a useful, strong champ.
Remove this fucker's mobility and make him into a juggernaut. That's all they have to do - keep champions to their classes and not make tanks with tank cc and endurance but also having assassin mobility and damage.
@@Rhyolite-hyena to one of those, very much yes, graves is op as fuck and almost constantly in S+ in multiple roles, also Taric isn't gay. it also doesn't help that riot openly marketed him as the first lgbt champion of color.... when Rell exists. rito wanted to seem not homophobic or racist nor the community of the game they made, so they made the K'sante the best champ in the game to spike his playrate so they can be like "LOOK EVERYONE, OUR DIVERSE PLAYERBASE IS CHOOSING THE BLACK GAY CHAMPION BECAUSE THEY FEEL REPRESENTED" and act like it's not because they refuse to actually balance the game around people who aren't bronze for more than 4 champions
There's no way K'sante is broken. He's only an unkillable super tank with good mobility and three displacements. At least he pays for all that strength by having low damage
wait hold on
Surely he must have some way to be escaped oh wait his q slows now?
Depends how you view broken tbh. Some say he’s broken because of his op kit while others say he’s not broken even if that op kit because he can’t 1v5 carry.
True, if you commit more than 4 players to killing K'Sante, you'll only lose 2 teammates. A good trade.@@tvm2209
@@masteryooda9087 i come from the future, it doesnt in attack form
@@zacxzcitoxd2193I just bought ksante after quitting since before the udyr rework and this is wild reading all of this lol
i agree on iceborne always. but in ap matchups I usually go visage second into stoneplate. than thornmail and flex last item based on what I need (sunfire, chains, force of nature...)
doesnt take a genius to figure out that buffing overpowered champion is gonna make him even more overpowered.
OVERbuffing* riot basically DOUBLED the damage from his passive 😭😭
Freak hasn’t figured that out 😂😂😂
lowering the skill ceiling drastically by removing a lot of his (harder) combos and making the easier spells do more damage/way easier to hit was the problem
Ksante was overpowered before the buffs..? Lmaoooooo nice joke.
The biggest issue i have with Ksante are his nonexisting mana costs - may aswell not give him a resource bar at this point
No. Especially early game. I would call it almost exactly like Fiora, Trundle, or Irelia. If you spam your q or are forced to use w or e, then you can run out of mana early levels. And after an all in, unless you ult, you're left with less than half. That's a large part of biscuits too. Levels 2-4 you're struggling with mana. Even at 6-7 you risk it.
his mana early on i terrible wdym ?? any mana character late game has nonexisiting mana
@@GOSS_3 Yeah he uses a lot of mana early, but that is cause they upped the mana costs on his abilities after this comment was made. At the moment he can only use q 9 times before running out of mana before first back, but back then he could spam it without issue.
I would say Bami's Cinder isn't the ideal first back item component. By far the most successful thing you can get is a component from IceBorn Gauntlet depending on if you need armor/hp + cdr/ or straight up damage when you can get away with it. This is what I see all K'Sante players build and you can just run down your lane opponent after you finish IceBorn. Like it's legit nuts how you can be somewhat behind and just crush your opponent when you complete this item. Just the other day I was playing Darius into K'Sante. He was about 20-30 cs behind and I had one kill on him. He got a Kindlegem and just farmed and occasionally tried to fight with me(the fights were close for someone who was behind.) After he finished it I just couldn't do anything. The perma slow didn't let me get Qs on him and he completely shredded through me with his true damage.
i agree i did try bamis but it did make it easier to stay alive in lane, but felt pretty weak for a while. Was against Garen tho so was playing passive
Id like to add, you made some good points however not all you said are the things Ksante mains use/do.
bami/sunfire is almost never worth it because you dont build that much health, you focus more on armour/mr because that increases your damage. Other tanks get 2-4x as much value out of sunfire so you can for it but only if they have like 3 people who will be permanently inside of you in team fights.
Atreus, the nr1 ksante posted a guide a few days ago, recommend checking him out too if you want to pick up this champion
I JUST LOST TO THIS DUDE 5 TIMES IN A ROW TODAY . THAT IS WHEN I REALIZE I NEED TO EITHER PLAY HIM OR BAN THIS FORSAKEN CHAMP
struggle with waveclear???
it still weirds me out that K'sante has omnivap in his all out form
He loses almost all of his bonus armor and MR and up to 35% of his hp
They should tune him down some more but I still think he is the best designed tank in the game. Out of all of them he is the only one that feels the most fun to play and pilot. Does he have a lot? Yeah. Is he the most fun tank to play in the game? Absolutely.
Fun at the cost of misery for opponent. Not good design
@@htetaung04I guess you have fun when garen and lad just run at you. Way better than a champ that actually takes 2 brain cells to play lol.
Depends how you view broken tbh. Some say he’s broken because of his op kit while others say he’s not broken even if that op kit because he can’t 1v5 carry.
its not balanced for ksante to have this strong of an earlygame and also scale into a monster, he has to be nerfed.
just remember he can switch to murdering you with slows, burns and damage in a click of a button
@@owo4470 don't forget that he still maintains his Tank Effectiveness, meaning that Bami's and Gargoyle's Proc like he has his full Tank HP Bar. His Q also retains the ability to slow, for some reason, since his passive and CC Chain being buffed wasn't something worthy of mention before.
@@omegaminoseer4539 let's also remember iceborn still works, making him literally impossible to peel off unless he's braindead
He doesn't have that great of an early game tbh. He only does well against other champs with weak earlies or immobile champs. If you ult blindly against a Darius, Renekton, Garen, Irelia, or most bruisers you are likely to get shat on.
@@samlarson9447 but thats on the ksante player to do a mistake, not his opponent playing well
FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRST, he's broken as hell in League and TFT ngl
I don't think the new K'sante is any stronger, I think he's just easier
Why play squishy damage dealing champions when you can play a full tank dealing more damage than any carry and being nigh on unkillable when ahead with pretty much no lane counters?
K’Sante is again symptom of Riot overcomplicating their champ designs. Theoretically, K’Sante’s kit could be stripped down pretty seriously and he’d still be a useful, strong champ.
Remove this fucker's mobility and make him into a juggernaut. That's all they have to do - keep champions to their classes and not make tanks with tank cc and endurance but also having assassin mobility and damage.
Dude when he used ult doesn't he lose resistances? It seemed like he took 0 damage anyways while becoming an assassin.
go to the MEGA gay zone
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He is a modern version of old irelia
Not too sure how, seems different in almost every way
@@Zooky20000 because he get out of control
K'sante was just given the 🏳🌈 treatment, all them champs get crazy kits
Got other examples to prove that? That is a very random correlation dude
Your aversion is showing.
You got any example pattern for that bud? Vi op? Leona op? Graves rework op? Taric rework op?
Sounds like you've got a bone to pick more so than anything to do with the champion or game balancing.
@@Rhyolite-hyena to one of those, very much yes, graves is op as fuck and almost constantly in S+ in multiple roles, also Taric isn't gay. it also doesn't help that riot openly marketed him as the first lgbt champion of color.... when Rell exists. rito wanted to seem not homophobic or racist nor the community of the game they made, so they made the K'sante the best champ in the game to spike his playrate so they can be like "LOOK EVERYONE, OUR DIVERSE PLAYERBASE IS CHOOSING THE BLACK GAY CHAMPION BECAUSE THEY FEEL REPRESENTED" and act like it's not because they refuse to actually balance the game around people who aren't bronze for more than 4 champions
I hate the juice so much its unreal
You made me reinstall league