Micro Hydro Francis Turbine Part 1 non-music version
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- This is the second video of a new series examining other Hydro Power systems separate from the MrHydrohead system on the @MrHydrohead channel.
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System designer: Ken Gardner: kensolar123@gmail.com
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MEASUREMENTS FOR SECOND SYSTEM:
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INSTALLATION AND RUNNING OF SECOND SYSTEM w/o MUSIC PLAYLIST:
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More videos pls, just can't get enough of these. So much informative. Good job 👍
Planning a trip early May to shoot more segments. Thanks for watching
More videos to come. Thx for watching!
When I got the notification that you uploaded a video I got visibly excited! Good to see your videos again MrHydrohead!
Thanks! I hope to have more to offer in coming months.
Thank you for your post. I see that all system was build without sufocate the stream and with consideration for the nature. I love it. If the micro/mini hidro don't take into count that an entire county can be ruin, resulting an extensive bio-calamity for a long time.
Unfortunately this happens in my country in 3 counties where the streams where trapped almost entirely in tubes.
But, as is shown, this is made right and proves that if you work with consideration for nature, everybody can benefit.
Congrats!!!!!
Thx for watching! It IS important to be low impact with micro hydro
This is so badass! I was expecting a tiny simple build and then saw the pipes.
Yeah 3 cfs is a lot of water and 10 meters is not a big head There's no certainty that they will have that much flow consistently, but we shall see what the spring brings when the project is finished. I'm excited to actually visit the site and see it in action. More video will be coming. Thanks for watching!
@@mrhydrohead Thank you for producing these videos. Great seeing expert builds to get ideas and fill in gaps in my knowledge.
Looking forward to part 2!
Going out late this week to film it!
I smiled through the entire video. I love watching videos like this. Please make more.
will do Thx for watching!
An awesome new beginning...thank you for taking us along! :)
You are so welcome! Thanks for watching!
So cool to see your videos again!
More to come! Thx for Watching!
Awesome 👌
Thank you!
@@mrhydrohead i haven't seen it all i was driving when home i will I'm subscribed for so I will comment again
i love this channel, and i wish it had caught on more its so great.
I'm still amazed at the numbers the channel has garnered. Thx for Watching!
Very informative and super entertaining. Love the Micro Hydro videos! They give me something to fantasize about if I ever end up being able to buy land/a home.
Thanks for watching!
Love your videos. Thank you!
Glad you like them! Thx for watching!
Truly made my day to see another project in the pipework (phun intended) 😂 by you Mr! Thank you so much!
Glad to hear it!
AMAZING THank YOU!
Thank you too!
thankyou for sharing mate, well done. so informative and helpful
Glad you enjoyed it, Thx for Watching!
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for watching!
Thank you . I love the design of the weir, smart all the way around. I would love to see examples of inline hydro that irrigators can put in existing systems to replace PRVs. Also would the next neighbor down stream be interested in the clean tail water for yet another system and so on? I guess I do not know the intricacies of the turbine and the draft tube but it seems odd to loose a few feet of head to come back up at the top of the turbine. Thank you and the video is well produced like your others. Cheers.
The weir actually has an anode-cathode system to help prevent rusting as well. Its something I didn't notice until the designer pointed it out. Very clever. I've not yet met the owners of the property or the neighbors as I put together the video from footage which was shared to me.
The draft tube is what actually keeps the working pressure at the lowest point of the penstock as it provides a couple of feet of "downward pull" or negative pressure on the water as it exits the turbine.
Glad you liked the vid. I'll be going to the site to film the final installation in the coming weeks. I'll have more first hand observations from that. Thx for Watching!
I hope diversion wall stay in place even in the flood season,
Maybe you can add some Timber Collum into the ground to make wall stay in place,
Abselutly great job
I think it will stay fixed with all that weight anchoring it. Thx for watching!
Fascinating design. I wonder what the permitting for a low head dam is in this state>
That’s a great question. I’ll ask about that when I visit the site. Thx for watching!
There should have been a "T" with an open top vent pipe near the intake. The purpose is to prevent collapse of the 1200 ft penstock.
The snow on the ground is also not good, never backfill with frozen ground.
The penstock is also buried shallow and may be susceptible to anchor ice, which can break loose and damage the water turbine.
There is indeed an air vent which you can see just after 6:01 in the video. I wasn't present when the system was installed and as stated in the video, all the footage was supplied to me by the installation crew. I feel quite confident that the penstock was properly installed as the designer/installer was present for the process. I have great confidence in his expertise as he is the instructor of the micro hydro course which is taught at Solar Energy Intl. in Paonia CO.
My own experience in extreme cold conditions with my own system at 8600ft in CO is that if the water is under pressure and moving it does not freeze within the pipe regardless of depth beneath the ground. I have also found that snow cover tends to insulate our penstock from extreme nighttime cold temperatures. While what you point out might occur, it is not my experience that it would be likely.
I appreciate your input, but might I ask, what is your expertise in these matters?
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Are there smaller models for smaller creeks
This unit was mfg by www.hs-dynamics.com/product/francis-turbine/ I don't think they make a smaller unit. There are certainly other approaches that can yield results. Every site is different and best approach is determined by head/flow analysis combined with need/cost/benefit consideration. Thanks for watching!
You uploaded same video 2 time... by the way good work dude.... Keep uploading micro hydro videos 📹
Yes, one has a music track and the other doesn’t. Thx for watching!
@@mrhydrohead I actually live in Kolkata but, North Eastern countryside area many people have no Power Grid connection. So, As a Civil engineer student. I think we must need this tip micro hydro in Indian undeveloped areas.
(Keep working dude, your video actually I am shearing my College "IIT kharagpur")
@@anshumansarkar3206 More videos to come.
Wow. Can't believe that you were able to get permits to divert water.
Its not my system and I wasn't privy to their permitting process. I only documented the system, but I'm certain everything was done by the book. Check out part 2 if you're interested. Thanks for Watching!
@@mrhydrohead
I'm just surprised that it was allowed. I can see it's not preventing flow of water, aka damming, but with water rights being what they are I'm just surprised. Think it's great that they could do that.
@@johnjacobjinglehimerschmid3555 Well on my system in CO, I needed to file in District Water Court for Non-Consumptive Hydropower rights on my creek. There is less loss to evaporation while in the pipe vs. in the creek so for the diverted portion of the water it is a small act of conservation. It took a while to secure them from conditional to absolute rights. In CO you need to demonstrate the water is put to beneficial use.
This video's project which is in UT may have a different regimen for filing/acquiring. I think its different rules for different states. It helps that you own the land as well, which they do.
So you changed your mind about installing a permanent weir directly in the creek? That's so cool! What lead you to this decision? Sorry, I just have so many questions lol.
This is actually a fully separate system on someone else property. We still have issues at our intake area and I'll discuss that in an upcoming update video.
@@mrhydrohead oooh, ok that makes. More sense as I didn’t really recognize anything there lol.
In some regions of the world, permanent weirs in the river bed are not allowed anymore. In these regions you need to divirt water to an independent weir. This is to ensure a minimum impact to the river/creek life. @MrHydrohead seems to have followed that principle on his installation. It often comes with its challenges however.
I have been watching for some time, but now I'm totally confuse. I thought this was about the system you installed for your house, and the progression of it and the monitoring of it. I must have slipped into the twilight zone ????? Did I miss something along he way ???
The comments section explains it. This is the second in a hopefully ongoing documentation of other peoples systems. Our system is still running great. Here's a link to the first in the alternate system series: ruclips.net/video/Bh8ngja_qNk/видео.html Thanks for watching!
Great stuff. How about cost?
I haven't actually been to the location yet to see the system which is scheduled to be completed in early May. I will ask when I visit to film the electrical equipment and final install. Thanks for watching!
A fortune! 12 inch pipe 1200 ft long, just the excavation and backfill is expensive. This type of system is for people who have alot of money. Nice but expensive.
@@johnstack4316 Penstock is always the most expensive part of a system. Cost also needs to be compared to running power lines in on a fully off-grid system which I think this system is. You would still have monthly power bills (likely carbon based power) to pay in addition to access costs. I don't know how far this property is from power lines, but will find out when I visit in early June
Can the need for a coanda screen be re-thought?
If a pond behind a weir is deep enough and long enough....would the sand and fines settle out on the bottom of the creek bed?
If so, the water flowing through the pond and over the weir is being screened at the coanada screen only for floating debris....
so theoretically the middle part of the water in the pond, between the bottom and the top of the water...is relatively clear.
Ergo, having a large capped pipe as the intake (say 16 inch on the end of the 12 inch pipe)) with multiple holes of say 1/4 inch drilled all over it like in a colander, and with say the equivalent of shade cloth as the mesh filter over this 16 inch intake...
and with this intake suspended in this clean water in the half way zone (the depth and the small holes countering vortexes from suction to the surface)...
does away with the need for the very expensive coanda screen or it's maintenance...
It makes the dam just a simple overspill one...which would automatically clear any floating debris over the edge and allow it to continue down the creek
I refer you to a smaller example for your thoughts......
ruclips.net/video/LVoeaKCEd2o/видео.html @ 4.43
In Marty's home hydro system it has been working well for 17 years....
The large fluctuations of flows that are likely in spring might make your solution not so viable. Part 17 of my series from around 3:00 shows how I tried something not too dissimilar to what you suggest. It became clogged even with larger holes. Debris in the watercourse often sinks once waterlogged so the half way zone you describe may not exist year round, particularly in fall time. The Francis Turbine video you are commenting on is not my own system and I will only be seeing it first hand when I journey out next week to shoot it. My system is far different that this one and I will witness the start up when I visit it. I do have an intake at my springs which fed the first system I developed, but the water comes right out of the hillside and is covered over so its a poor comparison.
Of course its worth experimentation to find an ideal collection method for minimal expense in any system. Its always fun to ponder different scenarios for what might work, but the proof is in the pudding of actually trying things and seeing what works best.
Thanks for the thoughts and thanks for watching.
I have to ask. How much did the system cost, if possible the break down of labor and materials. Also what was the process you went though with any EPA like agencies?
I am not the designer installer or owner of the system. So I don’t have access to that sort of information. I just put the images together that they shared with me. My plan is to shoot another segment early in June and may get answers to your questions at that time. Sorry I don’t have answers today. Thx for watching!
i came out to 7.78 kW Pth. @ 85% eff. Is that number realistic considering pipe loss and generator efficiency?
I think that's habit high. The engineer designed it for 6kw and I have no reason to doubt his expertise. The generator is a 6kw and they may not have a full 3cfs flow year round. I haven't actually been to the site yet and have only seen footage shared with me and the plans for the design. I'll know more when I actually visit the site probably in late May. Thx for watching!
thanks for the reply! i have found myself rewatching your system rebuild series quite often, especially for the winter and fall drone shots. are we going to see more of these low head, high flow systems in the future? i have been looking at turbulent hydro as a potential design for my water source but it involved quite intrusive concrete works. this premade discharge contraption looked quite straightforward to put into place. i assume at 10m head there aren't water hammer effects that would require large thrust blocks to prevent pipe movement?
I don’t yet know of other low head high flow systems to film. I know Ken has been working on one in Nevada but that’s a bit far for me to journey to. The turbulent system seems like a good one, but they haven’t installed many systems yet, particularly in the US. They seem to be marketing to small villages or larger demand sites. The concrete works might be less work than a penstock though. I guess it depends if you have to build an entire creek dam or could channel water to it. I doubt water hammer will be an issue on this one and generally isn’t unless some knucklehead slams the gate valve closed too quickly. I don’t think they installed any sort of thrust block on this one.
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How to clean out fine sediment from the intake chamber after flood?
Good question! I’ll ask the designer/installer when I visit the site. Thx for watching!
He said that anything small enough to get thru the Coanda screen can just be flushed through the turbine. Larger gravel or rocks that might be left in the penstock during construction is more of a problem because it can get caught up in the vanes of the Francis Turbine and reduce efficiency. Thats why they used the long rod with plunger shown in the video to clean everything out during penstock assembly.
how did you calculate the flow rate ? Thank you!
I didn't because I wasn't the designer. I'm not sure whether you are questioning the creek's seasonal flows, or the max flow rate in 12" penstock before pipe friction limits pressure via losses, or the design flow rate of the Francis Turbine.
How much did all stages cost?
It isn’t my property or project so I can only say it’s likely over $100k. The 12” penstock and diversion dam along with installation labor and equipment rental is the lion’s share of the cost. Thx for watching!
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Ugh. definitely not a dyi project, oh well guess there really isn’t any cheap electricity out there to be honest.
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Thanks for watching!