Im a watercolour artist and I loved watching an interview with Tim and seeing a presentation. I really appreciate your video as ive been looking for a binding method for my paintings. Im the kind of person who makes inks from soil. And all the rest that speaks to Tim. What an amazing artist he is. You are one too.
Five hundred years from now some archeologist will find this book, and after studying it for 7 years will shout with delight when he discovers your use of the inverse of the square root of 2. He will publish his findings in several peer-reviewed journals, and will spend the remainder of his career speculating about the scientific/religious significance of this irrational number in the culture of semi-mythical Antarctica, which is believed to have been in the southern polar region that is now completely covered by water. By using this number, you may be responsible for a future Nobel Prize.
Thanks Darryn, I used this method to create a very successful photo book. One of my earliest books and works very well when printing single sided. I have just completed a photo album for my parents 60th Anniversary, a real labour of love, scanning and editing over 1000 photos. I printed this double sided on A3 (folded to A4, 240 pages, 15 sections) and bound it as a springback. This worked extremely well as the book opens with the pages flat. The paper was 230 gsm and very thick and strong, resulting in a book block thickness of about 4.5 cm - which it turned out was just too much for my guillotine. It cut about 3/4 of the way through the fore edge before breaking, leaving a right mess! Fortunately I remembered your investigation using a chisel to trim the block and I was able to save the situation!
Thank you very much. I seem to remember you saying that you'd no intention of doing a video of this construction, but I'm glad you did because it's reminded me of a half-forgotten project and provided a bit of impetus to get it finished. Also, mathematical humour always goes down well. :-)
Thanks for this excellent video, I think I'll take a pop at this with some of my better half's photo's, but I'm also very happy to find a fellow "Not a fan of magical thinking"!
Hello Darryn, just when I think you have covered almost all forms of binding, you prove me wrong. This book design is very intriguing and an excellent way to complete a personal series, or for gifts. I really enjoyed it. Plus I wanted to let you know that the Hollander book you recommend was perfect. Nicely bonded, very well illustrated and contains the measuring information I was looking for. Thank you so much for recommending it. As always I hope all is well for you and family. Your videos give me motivation to get back on track with my projects. I am reorganizing my space and supplies and hope that will help get back on track. Cheers for now, Bob
Thanks! Drum Leaf is one of my three most frequent bindings but I had never thought about lining the spine [next time]. Due my humid environment I prefer drumming with archival double-sided tape using the alternating front/back method you reference. I rotate my images to print short grain on an Epson SureColor 700 using A3 Luster finish to minimize fingerprinting. People would be well ahead to use on-demand printing services unless they absolutely “know” they need a photo printer. A key consideration in purchasing any photo printer is long term availability of consumables. Too many cheap obsolete printers in the landfill ; [
It was thrilling to see the photos of the McMurdo base in Antarctica. I had watched the documentary on Netflix a while back, so it was a nice connection to make.
Thank you so much, this video has been so helpful. I've just completed my drum leaf bound photobook. I have a photographic darkroom so used your method to bind some hand printed darkroom prints as future xmas gift form my son. I'm really pleased with the result, I'm sure he will be too!
Furthermore, I purchased the Tim Ely video. That clarified a lot for me. I will try his workmate conversion and french paring knife and see if I can use that as I can't afford/access a guillotine. His explanation of the origin of his drumming concept is valuable. A long video but packed with useful insights.
Thank you so much for this. I paint and draw and this will be ideal for scanning things to create a book. The production values of the videos are great and I love the music. At the end of each video I always feel a sense of wellbeing - thank you.
So timely. I’m working on a project of binding old digital calendars that print as 2 pg spreads with full bleed across the center line. Had been trying to teach myself this style and failing miserably at getting everything lined up. Now feel dumb that it hadn’t yet occurred to me to glue the spine first.
Yep, not my idea. From the original Tim! If someone had described this binding to me without instructions on how to make it I would have probably tried to do each folio separately. DAS
Thank you this was so enjoyable. I loved the finished book and am going to try this with trepidation as you make it look easy but you are ridiculously talented and know it will take a lot of practice.
This would be a fantastic way to bind sheet music. It's gotten to the point where I don't even buy thick albums of sheet music if I don't know for sure that it's spiral-bound, because who on Earth wants a book of music that won't lie flat?
0:16 One of my favourite photos from an antarctic station was one like the one here, with all the flags, where someone had hoisted the UK flag upside down, despite having both the Australian and the NZL flags right next to it for reference. 😁 I guess nerds who notice things like that are the same kind of nerds who watch videos on bookbinding without ever having bound anything thicker than a leaflet. 😂
Great video... I hope you can get back to recording one day. If so, please do some videos regarding paper types (text, bond, card etc) weights (gsm and lbs) and board types and thickness. After visiting Talos, I think we all need to convert to metric. Paper for text blocks is really hard to find, especially what I'm looking for, about novel size and length, and standard cream color 90gsm
I'd love to try one of these- I'm waiting for an excuse. A similar structure is Gary Frost's Millenial binding, which is much the same but uses a double fan rather than drum leaf text block (and doesn't usually have turn ins); makes nice quick notebooks that lie flat.
Hello, Darryn, your channel is one of a hand full of my very most liked. I am binding books, sketchbooks, watercolor books and journals for myself since years. And I rescued carefully some old darlings, that needed it. I also builded my own book press with a clamp and some tools a few years ago. Also I create my own bookbinding cloths and cover and and papers. I learned so much from you! It’s always a great pleasure and so informative to watch each of your films.Thank you deeply for your sharing and teaching your knowledge and expieriences! This kind of a photo book is really beautiful and I will give it a try. I thought by myself, it perhaps would also give a beautiful sketchbook with pages of in diffenrent colors toned sketching papers, what would you say to this idea? Best wishes from Germany, Sabine
Glad you like the videos! Only thought I had on the sketchbook is that many people like to remove pages from sketchbooks and this is one structure that this couldn't be done easily. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Darryn
I've really loved watching your channel. I am a newbie at bookbinding and have found your explanations easy to follow and straight forward. My sole purpose for wanting to learn bookbinding is to bind my own photo books. I've watched and followed your tutorial on the drum leaf method, but am wondering what binding/stitch style you would recommend if I wanted to venture into needle and thread:)
I've been trying to decide what method to use for my own photo book and I think this one is the winner. Question: how many photographs are in this book? It seems quite thick for how many images there are. How thick do you think the spine can be before it's impractical to use this technique? Your videos are great. Thank you!
Hi Darryn, are you aware of any hybrid format that combines sheets drummed together back to back and stitched ? I have been asked to make a photo book for a toddler. I plan to use coated paper printed on my canon inkjet, which prints well, but inks rather heavily, prompting me to consider printing only one side of each sheet, drumming sheets back to back and then stitching. I can't quite get my head around how the signatures will have to be laid out. The book is 32 pages. An issue I foresee is the difficulty of aligning the pages without them being held together by the spine glue. Am I attempting to do something that will be hugely frustrating? Maybe sewing and then drumming could work? In which case, every second spread in the book would be blank ... I'm kind of thinking aloud here. I'd appreciate any insights you may have. PS I've been rather enjoying making small sewn boards books over the last few days, a very satisfying quick project indeed. So thanks for that tutorial! edited to add: I worked it with the help of some scrap paper ... it's a matter of adding strategic blank spreads to my book, of course. I just could not visualise where to add them. And now I can. And of course, one can stitch, then drum. So ignore this question entirely :)
As usual, fantastic book making! But I'm surprised you pasted on manila titles after all the amazing work. Isn't there a way to stencil a title on that meets cartography standards? If you find please make a video on it.
Small Children's books are often constructed this way, with a board pasted in between pages. I'm in the middle of a project like this, and I'm having trouble with the boards bowing. I'm also having trouble with the center fold cracking when the book is opened fully, with the boards contacting and levering the fold apart. I'd be interested in a variation on this video to cover this type of construction.
Yes, I've been researching these for awhile. There is not much published about them and I haven't found anything about their early manufacture. Regards warping boards, have you seen my video about avoiding warping boards? This is almost always about balancing the pull of materials. The cracking fold will be about materials, specially the paper used for the folio. I looked into this for the drum-leaf binding. You really need to use a paper with good fibre strength. About the levering apart, I suspect I don't fully understand. These books can't open more than flat due to the design. But they should open flat fine. SO not sure I follow. Anyway, it's on the list for the future.
@@DASBookbinding The gutter was tearing before the book folded flat all the way. I figured out it was just a positioning issue, where the ends of the boards were running into each other before the book opened all the way. I just needed to set the boards back from the fold every so slightly, and it worked out. I did watch your video on boards after this and it helped. I was able to have a successful first attempt at the full book after a few trial runs. It was very challenging to trim the boards nicely with only a craft knife, but I was able to even up the edges with a sharp woodworkers plane! Your videos have been very helpful and they're greatly appreciated. I'm a civil engineer, and a lot of my references are digital only now. When I've needed them on paper I've always disliked the simple options available, like 3 ring binders, coil binding, etc. I came across your channel and became immediately hooked after learning just how achievable a professional, durable binding is with a little bit of effort. Thank you.
Ok, so genuinely curious. You're a Physicist, you have a doctorate, and you've been to Antarctica. Feels like my background except with a couple decades of experience on top and the wrong pole. Any chance your research work was/is in paleoclimate or glaciology? Half wondering if I've run into you at a conference before hah
I don't think we've crossed paths. Sounds like you work at, or out of, Summit Camp. I haven't worked there but have many friends that have. Jake Speed is probably one of the better known ones, but he hasn't been there since his misadventure in 2009. I was also at Pole with Christina Hammock, who worked at Summit. My Pole work was with the IceCube neutrino telescope. We didn't want to study glaciology or climate, but the dust layers in the ice had a big impact on the telescope performance. So we ended up doing quite a bit of collaboration on this subject. The wonderful Buford Price led most of this work, but he's no longer with us. Nice to hear from you. DAS
@@DASBookbinding Yep, not likely to have crossed paths. I'm working in paleoclimate modelling/geophysics during the late quaternary and have worked with marine geologists and taken samples up in the high Arctic around Lomonosov Ridge with the RV Polarstern. Not been on an ice sheet (yet) but a life goal is to get down to Antarctica. Bit tricky for a Canadian it seems but who knows what life will bring. All the best and thanks for the great videos!
I'm interested in doing this, and I've done a test to see how well the glue sticks. It looks like the photos I've got have a plasticy coating on the reverse making it rather difficult to glue. I'm using PVA, but even after an hour or so it hasn't stuck. I tried sanding down edges to help the glue stick a bit more, but after a while this still hasn't stuck. I'm going to leave it overnight and see, but is this something you have come across, and what glue would you recommend for this?
Thanks for this very informative video. I am using this method to bind a children's book that includes a 3/4-inch thick back cover (it encloses a battery for a lighted page). The total thickness of the book is approximately 2 inches. I am trying to decide if your recommendation for the breakaway points at half the thickness of the book will work or should it be larger. Any expertise you can share would be greatly appreciated.
Interesting question. I don't think the thick back board will change the minimum break-away required. While that back board is less than half the thickness of the book I think it will be fine. The book will open better if you keep the break-away as small as possible. Good luck! DAS
I enjoy your videos- and I have a technical question. Your guillotine- it looks like it cut through your boards and paper at the same time? Can you tell me what kind of guillotine you have?
Cutting board with a guillotine isn't the best thing to do because it is hard on blades. But sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. And this is a case where it is hard to avoid. I highly recommend looking out for used Ideal brand (made in Germany) guillotines. They are very popular with small printing businesses and thus there are plenty of them on the used market. They typically sell for about 10c on the dollar. So the higher end manual models that sell for over $5k here you can expect to pay $500 for used, while the lever action version which is about $3.5k new, you might get for $200 to $300. Of course the blade will be blunt and will need professional sharpening. But don't use it for regular board cutting. Get a board cutter for that or you'll spend a fortune of blade sharpening.
Hi. I think I am going to try doing this. I just have a quick question about when you join the pages at 12:21. Why do you glue the length of the page, and not the bottom and top as well? When the book is finished, wouldn't you be able to see the gaps between the paper when looking from the top down/ down the spine?
No, unless you look for it you will not notice the leaves are laminated. If you tip them at the top they will be very stiff and probably more noticeable.
Thank you! Just the ticket for a gift for my in-laws! One question, when you were attaching the manila card as extra thickness on the cover, and when you were attaching the paper cover, you only glued around the edges, was that because you didn't want the cover to curl, or the glue to soak through? As always, I enjoy your style of working, thinking with a pencil on the pages as you go!
Question: why do you add a piece of filler paper to the cover? And why only glue the edges of the blue cover material and paste downs? What would happen if you pasted down the dark blue cover materials entirely to the board (without an extra piece of paper) and then also glued down the paste down entirely?
The filling piece means you don't see the edge of the spine material under the board paper. You can glue the paper on completely. Drumming on is just taking the influence from the original designer, who was influenced by Gary Frost's sewn-board binding.
Hi, I have found your tutorial very useful, as always. However there's something that's bothering me: the raw bits of board edge that show where the spine is attached to the boards. It doesn't seem 'finished' and would look bad with raw grey board showing. Please could you comment on this? Many thanks Rosie-Anne
I think somewhere I show how to cover these, or you can paint them with a bit of acrylic paint or use a coloured board for the fill. All these options are from the original designer of the structure, Gary Frost. But he also said he liked the raw edge.
@@DASBookbinding Thank you so much for these helpful suggestions - I've covered them with a strip of Japanese tissue - not too bulky and satisfies my need for neatness!!
Hi, another good video - many thanks. Just wondering - why do you not glue out completely the siding sheets and paste downs? Is this to prevent warping?
Thank you for the video! I do have a question about the board coverings. In this one you added cardstock to the greyboard with only a section of glue. Then when you were covering the greyboards and cardstock, you also only used glue along the edges. Is it because your decorative cover paper is thin that you were using so little glue when attaching it?
The decorative paper is actually heavy and very strong. The card is to fill-in so you can't see the transition at the edge of the spine lining. I've added a bit in the description explaining why I drum the cover material and the pastedown on. Good question. DAS
Hi, a question. My photos keep slipping when I put it into the book press. I have to keep taking it out of the press and lining all the edges up. I’m new to this. Any suggestions?
The adhesive should have "tacked" before pressing. Maybe leave the adhesive dry/set a bit longer. Also, it doesn't need a lot of pressure in pressing. Good luck!
Hello sorry to hear you were also affected by the recent floods. Hope we both recover. I have a question regarding this photo book. Would you say there’s a limit to the number of pages for a book with this type of binding? Also what are your thoughts on acid free double sided tape ( the kind from officeworks) as a replacement for the glue on the pages (not the spine)?
Yes, I wouldn't make this too thick. But it's always worth testing the limits. I don't like PSAs (pressure sensitive adhesives). Historically they degrade into nasty stuff, been fugitive and fail over time. I don't think something being labelled acid free is worth much.
No, not really. I think you mean an album where some space is kept between the pages, usually with a stub, for when photos are inserted. I hate (maybe too strong of a word) making albums and thus why no videos. Sorry. DAS
@@DASBookbinding that’s a really good printer. I also ask you where do you find better paper (better than the cold white one of the printer). Ps: thankyou for your channel, you are a true inspiration and creating books makes me so happy!
I think what you saw was a close up of the South Pole marker. I guess it looked like a weird shadow. It would be great to have a house cow at South Pole. But you do get used to powdered milk. Some chickens too.
Im a watercolour artist and I loved watching an interview with Tim and seeing a presentation. I really appreciate your video as ive been looking for a binding method for my paintings. Im the kind of person who makes inks from soil. And all the rest that speaks to Tim. What an amazing artist he is. You are one too.
Five hundred years from now some archeologist will find this book, and after studying it for 7 years will shout with delight when he discovers your use of the inverse of the square root of 2. He will publish his findings in several peer-reviewed journals, and will spend the remainder of his career speculating about the scientific/religious significance of this irrational number in the culture of semi-mythical Antarctica, which is believed to have been in the southern polar region that is now completely covered by water. By using this number, you may be responsible for a future Nobel Prize.
You may not be a fan of magical thinking but you do magics every friday!
My uncle is a keen photographer, this could be a great gift for him, thanks as always
Thanks Darryn, I used this method to create a very successful photo book. One of my earliest books and works very well when printing single sided. I have just completed a photo album for my parents 60th Anniversary, a real labour of love, scanning and editing over 1000 photos. I printed this double sided on A3 (folded to A4, 240 pages, 15 sections) and bound it as a springback. This worked extremely well as the book opens with the pages flat. The paper was 230 gsm and very thick and strong, resulting in a book block thickness of about 4.5 cm - which it turned out was just too much for my guillotine. It cut about 3/4 of the way through the fore edge before breaking, leaving a right mess! Fortunately I remembered your investigation using a chisel to trim the block and I was able to save the situation!
Love this, thank you 😊
WOOHOO I"ve been waiting for a new video! I've watched them all and was going thru them again until a new one came out
Thank you very much. I seem to remember you saying that you'd no intention of doing a video of this construction, but I'm glad you did because it's reminded me of a half-forgotten project and provided a bit of impetus to get it finished. Also, mathematical humour always goes down well. :-)
Thanks for this excellent video, I think I'll take a pop at this with some of my better half's photo's, but I'm also very happy to find a fellow "Not a fan of magical thinking"!
There are some great techniques in this video. Awesome sauce!
Hello Darryn, just when I think you have covered almost all forms of binding, you prove me wrong. This book design is very intriguing and an excellent way to complete a personal series, or for gifts. I really enjoyed it. Plus I wanted to let you know that the Hollander book you recommend was perfect. Nicely bonded, very well illustrated and contains the measuring information I was looking for. Thank you so much for recommending it. As always I hope all is well for you and family. Your videos give me motivation to get back on track with my projects. I am reorganizing my space and supplies and hope that will help get back on track. Cheers for now, Bob
Hi Bob, Great to hear from you. I'm in the middle of a big re-organisation too. Same idea to try and get back on track! All the best, Darryn
Congratulations, I have learnt so much from each one of your videos. I nicknamed you “Gran Maestro”.
Thanks! Drum Leaf is one of my three most frequent bindings but I had never thought about lining the spine [next time]. Due my humid environment I prefer drumming with archival double-sided tape using the alternating front/back method you reference. I rotate my images to print short grain on an Epson SureColor 700 using A3 Luster finish to minimize fingerprinting. People would be well ahead to use on-demand printing services unless they absolutely “know” they need a photo printer. A key consideration in purchasing any photo printer is long term availability of consumables. Too many cheap obsolete printers in the landfill ; [
That works very well. I was aware of the binding but very helpful to go through it from start. Thanks!
It was thrilling to see the photos of the McMurdo base in Antarctica. I had watched the documentary on Netflix a while back, so it was a nice connection to make.
Fabulous - this is just what I need to make - excellent tutorial, thank you !
Lovelyl! Great way to display art too without sewing!!!
Excellent I hold the layflat patent. You are awesome
What I've been waiting for thank you!
Thanks so much - always wondered how this binding worked.
Thank you so much, this video has been so helpful. I've just completed my drum leaf bound photobook. I have a photographic darkroom so used your method to bind some hand printed darkroom prints as future xmas gift form my son. I'm really pleased with the result, I'm sure he will be too!
Cool. I miss darkrooms. Glad it was helpful!
Furthermore, I purchased the Tim Ely video. That clarified a lot for me. I will try his workmate conversion and french paring knife and see if I can use that as I can't afford/access a guillotine. His explanation of the origin of his drumming concept is valuable. A long video but packed with useful insights.
Thank you so much for this. I paint and draw and this will be ideal for scanning things to create a book. The production values of the videos are great and I love the music. At the end of each video I always feel a sense of wellbeing - thank you.
I had exactly the same spine slant problem with my first book. Great refresher for the workshop I took som3 years back.
Thank you, just what I need now.
So timely. I’m working on a project of binding old digital calendars that print as 2 pg spreads with full bleed across the center line. Had been trying to teach myself this style and failing miserably at getting everything lined up. Now feel dumb that it hadn’t yet occurred to me to glue the spine first.
Yep, not my idea. From the original Tim! If someone had described this binding to me without instructions on how to make it I would have probably tried to do each folio separately. DAS
Great idea! A friend makes superb calendars each year and this would be a way for me to gift her back with a more keepable book. Thank you.
Really nice work! 👏
I hope you will make more videos about binding a photobook! Thank you for this video!
Maybe I'll do albums one day. DAS
great video. thanks sir very much
Thank you this was so enjoyable. I loved the finished book and am going to try this with trepidation as you make it look easy but you are ridiculously talented and know it will take a lot of practice.
Really awesome. Greetings from India
Bookbinding by a neutrino physicist. Nice technique.
This would be a fantastic way to bind sheet music. It's gotten to the point where I don't even buy thick albums of sheet music if I don't know for sure that it's spiral-bound, because who on Earth wants a book of music that won't lie flat?
Sheet music is a pain in the neck!! It's on my to-do-oneday list - go study printed music at the library and see if there is a good way to bind it.
Adorei sua aula, como sempre, maravilhosa, obrigada por compartilhar.
You're welcome! DAS
0:16 One of my favourite photos from an antarctic station was one like the one here, with all the flags, where someone had hoisted the UK flag upside down, despite having both the Australian and the NZL flags right next to it for reference. 😁 I guess nerds who notice things like that are the same kind of nerds who watch videos on bookbinding without ever having bound anything thicker than a leaflet. 😂
Fun with Flags!
best video
Loved it!
Great video... I hope you can get back to recording one day. If so, please do some videos regarding paper types (text, bond, card etc) weights (gsm and lbs) and board types and thickness. After visiting Talos, I think we all need to convert to metric. Paper for text blocks is really hard to find, especially what I'm looking for, about novel size and length, and standard cream color 90gsm
Спасибо!☺
I'd love to try one of these- I'm waiting for an excuse. A similar structure is Gary Frost's Millenial binding, which is much the same but uses a double fan rather than drum leaf text block (and doesn't usually have turn ins); makes nice quick notebooks that lie flat.
Ed, you're always full of great ideas! Darryn
15:39 Of course you used sqrt(2)/2, since it is the ratio of the short side to the long side of the paper you used. 😊
Oh, now I found this... And I already bought a two-sided photo paper for my printer...
Hello, Darryn,
your channel is one of a hand full of my very most liked.
I am binding books, sketchbooks, watercolor books and journals for myself since years. And I rescued carefully some old darlings, that needed it.
I also builded my own book press with a clamp and some tools a few years ago.
Also I create my own bookbinding cloths and cover and and papers.
I learned so much from you!
It’s always a great pleasure and so informative to watch each of your films.Thank you deeply for your sharing and teaching your knowledge and expieriences!
This kind of a photo book is really beautiful and I will give it a try. I thought by myself, it perhaps would also give a beautiful sketchbook with pages of in diffenrent colors toned sketching papers, what would you say to this idea?
Best wishes from Germany,
Sabine
Glad you like the videos! Only thought I had on the sketchbook is that many people like to remove pages from sketchbooks and this is one structure that this couldn't be done easily. Mit freundlichen Grüßen, Darryn
You lost me at square root! With that said, I'll give this binding a try ;)
I've really loved watching your channel. I am a newbie at bookbinding and have found your explanations easy to follow and straight forward. My sole purpose for wanting to learn bookbinding is to bind my own photo books. I've watched and followed your tutorial on the drum leaf method, but am wondering what binding/stitch style you would recommend if I wanted to venture into needle and thread:)
Sewn board binding. Happy binding!
I've been trying to decide what method to use for my own photo book and I think this one is the winner. Question: how many photographs are in this book? It seems quite thick for how many images there are. How thick do you think the spine can be before it's impractical to use this technique? Your videos are great. Thank you!
There are 16 photos in the book. I think you could double it and it would still work fine. If you used a bit thinner paper, maybe more. Good luck! DAS
1/2 =.5 2/phi= .619 1/sqrt (2)=.707 all great numbers, nothing superstitious here
Hi Darryn, are you aware of any hybrid format that combines sheets drummed together back to back and stitched ? I have been asked to make a photo book for a toddler. I plan to use coated paper printed on my canon inkjet, which prints well, but inks rather heavily, prompting me to consider printing only one side of each sheet, drumming sheets back to back and then stitching. I can't quite get my head around how the signatures will have to be laid out. The book is 32 pages. An issue I foresee is the difficulty of aligning the pages without them being held together by the spine glue. Am I attempting to do something that will be hugely frustrating? Maybe sewing and then drumming could work? In which case, every second spread in the book would be blank ... I'm kind of thinking aloud here. I'd appreciate any insights you may have.
PS I've been rather enjoying making small sewn boards books over the last few days, a very satisfying quick project indeed. So thanks for that tutorial!
edited to add: I worked it with the help of some scrap paper ... it's a matter of adding strategic blank spreads to my book, of course. I just could not visualise where to add them. And now I can. And of course, one can stitch, then drum. So ignore this question entirely :)
As usual, fantastic book making! But I'm surprised you pasted on manila titles after all the amazing work. Isn't there a way to stencil a title on that meets cartography standards? If you find please make a video on it.
I really like paper labels. Very traditional for trade binding. I could have used my hot foiling press on the covering material before I applied it.
Small Children's books are often constructed this way, with a board pasted in between pages. I'm in the middle of a project like this, and I'm having trouble with the boards bowing. I'm also having trouble with the center fold cracking when the book is opened fully, with the boards contacting and levering the fold apart. I'd be interested in a variation on this video to cover this type of construction.
Yes, I've been researching these for awhile. There is not much published about them and I haven't found anything about their early manufacture. Regards warping boards, have you seen my video about avoiding warping boards? This is almost always about balancing the pull of materials. The cracking fold will be about materials, specially the paper used for the folio. I looked into this for the drum-leaf binding. You really need to use a paper with good fibre strength. About the levering apart, I suspect I don't fully understand. These books can't open more than flat due to the design. But they should open flat fine. SO not sure I follow. Anyway, it's on the list for the future.
@@DASBookbinding The gutter was tearing before the book folded flat all the way. I figured out it was just a positioning issue, where the ends of the boards were running into each other before the book opened all the way. I just needed to set the boards back from the fold every so slightly, and it worked out. I did watch your video on boards after this and it helped. I was able to have a successful first attempt at the full book after a few trial runs. It was very challenging to trim the boards nicely with only a craft knife, but I was able to even up the edges with a sharp woodworkers plane!
Your videos have been very helpful and they're greatly appreciated. I'm a civil engineer, and a lot of my references are digital only now. When I've needed them on paper I've always disliked the simple options available, like 3 ring binders, coil binding, etc. I came across your channel and became immediately hooked after learning just how achievable a professional, durable binding is with a little bit of effort. Thank you.
Ok, so genuinely curious. You're a Physicist, you have a doctorate, and you've been to Antarctica. Feels like my background except with a couple decades of experience on top and the wrong pole. Any chance your research work was/is in paleoclimate or glaciology? Half wondering if I've run into you at a conference before hah
I don't think we've crossed paths. Sounds like you work at, or out of, Summit Camp. I haven't worked there but have many friends that have. Jake Speed is probably one of the better known ones, but he hasn't been there since his misadventure in 2009. I was also at Pole with Christina Hammock, who worked at Summit. My Pole work was with the IceCube neutrino telescope. We didn't want to study glaciology or climate, but the dust layers in the ice had a big impact on the telescope performance. So we ended up doing quite a bit of collaboration on this subject. The wonderful Buford Price led most of this work, but he's no longer with us. Nice to hear from you. DAS
@@DASBookbinding Yep, not likely to have crossed paths. I'm working in paleoclimate modelling/geophysics during the late quaternary and have worked with marine geologists and taken samples up in the high Arctic around Lomonosov Ridge with the RV Polarstern. Not been on an ice sheet (yet) but a life goal is to get down to Antarctica. Bit tricky for a Canadian it seems but who knows what life will bring. All the best and thanks for the great videos!
I'm interested in doing this, and I've done a test to see how well the glue sticks. It looks like the photos I've got have a plasticy coating on the reverse making it rather difficult to glue. I'm using PVA, but even after an hour or so it hasn't stuck. I tried sanding down edges to help the glue stick a bit more, but after a while this still hasn't stuck. I'm going to leave it overnight and see, but is this something you have come across, and what glue would you recommend for this?
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Thanks for this very informative video. I am using this method to bind a children's book that includes a 3/4-inch thick back cover (it encloses a battery for a lighted page). The total thickness of the book is approximately 2 inches. I am trying to decide if your recommendation for the breakaway points at half the thickness of the book will work or should it be larger. Any expertise you can share would be greatly appreciated.
Interesting question. I don't think the thick back board will change the minimum break-away required. While that back board is less than half the thickness of the book I think it will be fine. The book will open better if you keep the break-away as small as possible. Good luck! DAS
I enjoy your videos- and I have a technical question. Your guillotine- it looks like it cut through your boards and paper at the same time? Can you tell me what kind of guillotine you have?
Cutting board with a guillotine isn't the best thing to do because it is hard on blades. But sometimes you just have to do what you have to do. And this is a case where it is hard to avoid. I highly recommend looking out for used Ideal brand (made in Germany) guillotines. They are very popular with small printing businesses and thus there are plenty of them on the used market. They typically sell for about 10c on the dollar. So the higher end manual models that sell for over $5k here you can expect to pay $500 for used, while the lever action version which is about $3.5k new, you might get for $200 to $300. Of course the blade will be blunt and will need professional sharpening. But don't use it for regular board cutting. Get a board cutter for that or you'll spend a fortune of blade sharpening.
@@DASBookbinding Thank you for the tip! I will keep my open for one in my area.
Hi. I think I am going to try doing this. I just have a quick question about when you join the pages at 12:21. Why do you glue the length of the page, and not the bottom and top as well? When the book is finished, wouldn't you be able to see the gaps between the paper when looking from the top down/ down the spine?
No, unless you look for it you will not notice the leaves are laminated. If you tip them at the top they will be very stiff and probably more noticeable.
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Thank you! Just the ticket for a gift for my in-laws! One question, when you were attaching the manila card as extra thickness on the cover, and when you were attaching the paper cover, you only glued around the edges, was that because you didn't want the cover to curl, or the glue to soak through? As always, I enjoy your style of working, thinking with a pencil on the pages as you go!
I've added a bit in the description explaining why I drum the cover materials on. It's a good question. Thanks, Darryn
Question: why do you add a piece of filler paper to the cover? And why only glue the edges of the blue cover material and paste downs? What would happen if you pasted down the dark blue cover materials entirely to the board (without an extra piece of paper) and then also glued down the paste down entirely?
The filling piece means you don't see the edge of the spine material under the board paper. You can glue the paper on completely. Drumming on is just taking the influence from the original designer, who was influenced by Gary Frost's sewn-board binding.
@@DASBookbinding Thank you very much!
Hi, I have found your tutorial very useful, as always. However there's something that's bothering me: the raw bits of board edge that show where the spine is attached to the boards. It doesn't seem 'finished' and would look bad with raw grey board showing. Please could you comment on this? Many thanks Rosie-Anne
I think somewhere I show how to cover these, or you can paint them with a bit of acrylic paint or use a coloured board for the fill. All these options are from the original designer of the structure, Gary Frost. But he also said he liked the raw edge.
@@DASBookbinding Thank you so much for these helpful suggestions - I've covered them with a strip of Japanese tissue - not too bulky and satisfies my need for neatness!!
Hi, another good video - many thanks. Just wondering - why do you not glue out completely the siding sheets and paste downs? Is this to prevent warping?
Good question. It does prevent warping, but is not why I did it. I've added a paragraph to the description about this. Thanks! Darryn
What kind of photo paper did you use . Coz i saw your photo paper is thicker than usual photopaper
Sorry, don't remember. It was a HP something about 300gsm
Thank you for the video! I do have a question about the board coverings. In this one you added cardstock to the greyboard with only a section of glue. Then when you were covering the greyboards and cardstock, you also only used glue along the edges. Is it because your decorative cover paper is thin that you were using so little glue when attaching it?
The decorative paper is actually heavy and very strong. The card is to fill-in so you can't see the transition at the edge of the spine lining. I've added a bit in the description explaining why I drum the cover material and the pastedown on. Good question. DAS
Hi, a question. My photos keep slipping when I put it into the book press. I have to keep taking it out of the press and lining all the edges up. I’m new to this. Any suggestions?
The adhesive should have "tacked" before pressing. Maybe leave the adhesive dry/set a bit longer. Also, it doesn't need a lot of pressure in pressing. Good luck!
Thank you!! I think I figured it out.
Hello sorry to hear you were also affected by the recent floods. Hope we both recover.
I have a question regarding this photo book. Would you say there’s a limit to the number of pages for a book with this type of binding?
Also what are your thoughts on acid free double sided tape ( the kind from officeworks) as a replacement for the glue on the pages (not the spine)?
Yes, I wouldn't make this too thick. But it's always worth testing the limits. I don't like PSAs (pressure sensitive adhesives). Historically they degrade into nasty stuff, been fugitive and fail over time. I don't think something being labelled acid free is worth much.
Great video! Thank you! I have a question though, what kind of paper is the blue one you use on the final cover? Thanks again!
It's a paste paper that I made. I have a video on making paste papers.
Could this be used to put photos between signatures of a sewn book?
No, not really. I think you mean an album where some space is kept between the pages, usually with a stub, for when photos are inserted. I hate (maybe too strong of a word) making albums and thus why no videos. Sorry. DAS
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Where do you print the pages??
I just used my home Epson inkjet printer
@@DASBookbinding that’s a really good printer. I also ask you where do you find better paper (better than the cold white one of the printer).
Ps: thankyou for your channel, you are a true inspiration and creating books makes me so happy!
3:46 was that a cow?
I think what you saw was a close up of the South Pole marker. I guess it looked like a weird shadow. It would be great to have a house cow at South Pole. But you do get used to powdered milk. Some chickens too.
@@DASBookbinding thank you, I actually meant the noise we heard!
@@gemmi1 Horses cats dogs chickens and all sorts of other noisy birds. But no cows close:)
@@DASBookbinding thank you 😊