5 Things You Will NEVER See Good Poker Players Do
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2023
- You will never see good poker players making these 5 bad plays. If you see someone doing this at the poker table, they are probably a fish.
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Do you do any of these 5 things at the poker table? Also, here are the 5 easy ways to catch them in a bluff: ruclips.net/video/D8PCnYDbMzM/видео.html
nathan, please comment the side effects on not punishing the draw on the turn. thanks
"Don't bluff the fish, they will call".
Me looking back at every time I called and caught someone bluffing. Guess I was the fish all along 😢
"Good poker players dont get emotional over bad beats!"
Phil Helmuth: "Allow me to introduce myself!"
oh trust we all like to have a good moan every now and the esspecially if you play lots of poker
I still don't see a contradiction. 😎
Every new player should look at the pre flop % chart religious until it’s memorized. So useful it really changed my game for the better. Realizing how bad a hand like A 6 or K 3 really is % wise and like you talked about AA is 4/5 times likely to hit for you. It really helps you understand the value of your card when it comes time to make a hard decision
Everyone show Nathan some love and post your best "Bad Beat" stories... He LOVES hearing them.
All great advice! The last one is in the gray area. If your goal is to make money then definitely good advice. But playing with players who are way better than me has made me improve so much quicker. Granted, they were very expensive lessons haha
I agree
If you have the discipline to never play a hand, sitting at a higher stakes/ better players table, will allow you to learn alot. And at 5/10 it'll only cost you around 30 bucks an hour for a "live" lesson. Good kick everyone
I agree. After playing against tough players I smash my soft game consistently but when I go to tough game small loss even or small profit only
This is the most useful poker channel
I fall into that ego category. Now it will be a cakewalk. Go find the recreational players. LOL
This is why i keep coming to this channel 👌
I disagree. This channel has very digestible content for beginner players, which is great. However, it feels like the same advice gets published week after week so it has the feeling of recycled content
It does appear appealing to a novice crowd. I'm reluctant to watch any of these as being taught very young by some really good players but that was forty years ago. I know how to play it's the walking away part. I need a hook!
@@nickb8755 sometimes a beginner fish needs the same stuff fed over and over and over. Some of it is starting to slowly sink in
I absolutely love your channel. Your presentation is so easy to comprehend. I don't have to decipher everything you're saying. I subscribed!
Thanks Michael, I appreciate it!
I’ve followed you for at least 10 years probably longer and always remember you bumming it with the low buy ins and it’s something I’ve done for at least 15 years, BRM was my number 1 rule, never play above my skill level and seeing you playing those limits to, meant I knew I wasn’t wrong in doing it either.
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You never see pro players complaining about bad beats.
Unless its Phil Hellmuth 😂.
My favorite poker moment ever... in the "the big game" show... the Amatuer who won their seat at a $100,000 buy in table goes all-in with Phil and wins.
Of course, he throws a fit cus the table cheered for the amateur and he took it personally. And I forget who it was, but they said "Phil, you have endless trunks of money. He is a school teacher. You have ENDLESS trunks of money... 80 grand is life changing for this guy. Settle down."😂
Gotta love Phil ♥
@@BlackRain79Poker i like when he is commentating, he is actually really good at calling a game.
love the advice this guy gives..made me a better/winning player almost instantly.
I remember the first time a played a cash game of poker at a casino full of drunk tourists probably fresh off a cruise ship. I was quite new to the game but had a decent understanding. Made a mint. soon realised I maybe don't have the skills I thought I had when the table was a very different crowd on my next visit 😅
This video is 100% CORRECT! I learned these things the hard way; by making the mistakes in the video! Great content. Keep it up!
Thanks Halette, glad this one helped you!
Yeah, I think my next step is to quit letting my bad beats tilt me so bad. It's frustrating, I just have to accept reality, no matter how much good math I do or great reads I make, sometimes it just doesn't matter.
Well said, thanks for watching my poker videos!
Great content. I just got back to playing live games after a 10 year hiatus. This channel showed me what I was doing wrong before. Sat at a tourney last weekend and following his advice and from some other channels I did very well and we chopped at 5 players. I made one costly mistake because I fell into an old habit. Luckily the very next hand my pocket rockets held against a large all-in!
Thanks Ced, glad my videos are helping you!
Thanks for all the helpful pro tips. Every video I've heard from you speaks nothing but the truth. So I liked and subscribed. 🎉
Thanks for the sub!
3:38 i had one situation in my life where 2 tight players lost all their money, because one got a straight draw, the other one hit the flush, and i got a full house, they bet heavily after the flop, but i was sitting on two pair so there was a little gamble there, but hell it did pay off, i (maybe) would have folded if i only just hit one pair.
Great video! Gonna consider this when I play pokerstars vr (I treat the game like it’s cash lol, as much as possible anyways).
Whats ur ign? What stakes u usually at?
Thanks for watching my poker videos, glad they help!
Best poker channel please never stop with videos 👍
Thanks Tim!
This is spot on! I made a living playing like this for years. Even today, guys miss these pointers as an obvious strategy.
I'm a recreational player and I probably funded this video.
“Amateurs complain about how ‘unlucky’ they are”
*phil hellmuth enters the chat*
I think most players, except maybe the really high stakes players (with a few exceptions such as Hellmuth) talk about bad beats and unlucky hands.
Excellent vídeo! Thank you sir!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'm not really a poker fan. This is a good youtube video, imo. Elevated advice and time effective content. Thanks, yo.
Thank you Para!
Straight forward thanks
Useful explanation 🎉😃
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Glad you like them!
Gonna start doing all of these
Unfortunately in Pennsylvania, we have the same crew of players every day on PokerStars. I was at a table a few times where every player had top skill and all we did was constantly stay break-even. PokerStars made money from the rake and it all depended on variance as to who was the most lucky player that got any considerable win. I'm talking the classic online setups - high end of straight over dummy end of straight; set over set; aces over kings, king flush over ace flush, etc. Those are the type of nights that you want to bash your head off a wall because it's so dull.
nathan, please comment the side effects on not punishing the draw on the turn. thanks
Bro thanks for taking the time and giving us the cheat sheet for free......God Bless
No prob glad it helped!
5:35 great clarification there - tourney, 30bbs I say jam away damn the torpedoes. But deep stack cash game or tourney where you've got 100+ bbs, yeah just call with the top pair there
Excellent advice.
Glad it was helpful!
Awesome tips! Subbed
Awesome, thank you!
I 100% agree, some of the biggest +EV you can get in poker is just moving to another table or seat.
Altho your right, I mostly agree with your points, I only partially agree with your point #4, about semi auto semi overfolding AA, KK, whether in your example, other situations versus NITS, OMC's, because of your point #3 about OVERVALUING hands.
During the last 17 years I have played, there has been a semi lot of times that I have folded AA, KK, small 2 pair, etc, to a NIT, OMC, only for them to turn over a hand that while NOT A BLUFF, I HAD BEAT.
The reason for this, is that Nathan, your right that they are not bluffing, but even tho they are not bluffing, they are, do, often OVERVALUE their hand.
Take your KK example, the NIT, OMC, could be playing QQ, AJ suited.
I know that AJ isn't a good, great hand, and that some of you would say that, but AJ suited, is still a top 17% to 20% to 23% of hands, hand, and a NIT, OMC, could think that AJ is awesome, and could be waiting for AJ suited or better, and could have hit top pair of J's, A kicker, and think that's AWESOME, and be OVERVALUING that, and NOT BLUFFING, and just betting his top pair, top kicker, and KK could be folding to that.
And it's not something that's a theoretical possibility.
In that kind of, type of KK hand, example, etc, about 23%, 33%, 43% of the time the NIT, OMC, IS beating my KK, with AA, 2 pair, set, trips, etc.
But about 59% to 69% to 79% the NIT, OMC, is not bluffing, but still is OVERVALUING, and still is losing to my KK.
So because of that, just semi auto semi overfolding KK, etc, is NOT semi automatically the right thing to do.
What is the right way?
The right way is what Nathan outlined in his point 3 about OVERVALUING.
KK, vs the NIT, OMC, should be trying to limit, control the size of pot, via calling or pot control. Don't reraise, don't bet. Just check call. And only call big double pot bets, all ins, etc, IF, IF, IF, you are getting AWESOME POT ODDS PRICE to call, like 4,5,6,7 to 1 awesome, and only IF board is not 4 to a straight, JT98, or 4 card flush, 4 suited's on board, etc. If the board is something like Q 9 7 4 2, no straights, no flushes, and you have KK, NIT, OMC, likely has AQ suited that hit Top pair top kicker, and think they have you, KK beat, and don't know you have KK.
Can't be scared of 2 pair, sets, trips, monsters under the bed, even against the NITS, OMC's.
Yeah sure you will get your QQ, KK, AA, etc, beat about 20% to 30% to 40% of the time.
But the times you win, will make up for that.
Also that's why you should have good bankroll management.
Also another reason why you check call with KK vs NIT's, OMC's, is that sometimes your read on, about player type, can be wrong.
What if they are not a NIT, OMC, and they are just unluckily going through extreme ultimate card dead ness, and because of that, you think they are a NIT, OMC, and fold your KK, to their AQ that hit Top pair, top kicker.
I know that there have been times I was extremely card dead, and players wrongly thought I was a NIT, and I was able to exploit that and bluff.
Sometimes going to have to fold AA, KK to NIT's, etc.
But most of time, rather then saying call or fold AA, KK, QQ, JJ, vs NITS, JUST PLAY VERY CAREFULLY vs NITS.
So no, AA, etc, is not a AUTO FOLD VS NITS.
Well said, thanks for watching my poker videos!
Thank you so much...Master Nathan :))
You are very welcome
When you say not to bluff the fish does the include flop cbets or raising with a premium draw?
Any tips for recognizing the types of players in online games?
What's a good online site for small stakes games? Any recommendations
truth. I played my first cash game after learning the fundamentals through play money games. It was so easy. I didn't need to be as good as all these great players I see online. All I had to do was play better than the suckers.
I did make a lot of mistakes and was still able to keeps the odds in my favor. The players were just bad. I just sat there and waited for the best hand and no one ever suspected a thing when I finally decide to bet after 30-40 minutes of waiting
Well said, thanks for watching my poker videos!
Very informative
so for the third one what do I do if my opponents are calling with 4 10 suited or 5 10 suited
Great channel. Aside from the topic in this video (which was very accurate), what do you think about Americas Card Room? I reside in New York State so online poker is very limited. I've been playing ACR for years. Never large stakes. Mostly low and micro tournaments and some cash. I will play about 5-7 tournaments a week. I will reach the bubble quite often and even min-cash. However I never go beyond min-cashing. Before the bubble I will have a commanding chip lead, within the top 10% of the field. Yet near the bubble I ALWAYS begin to lose. It never seems to fail. I also play live poker on the weekends with positive results (to the point where I have considered quitting my job to play full time) and study poker just about daily. So this all leads back to ACR and whether or not something shady is going on when players get near the money. Has anyone ever analyzed hand histories like they did with Ultimate Bet and Full Tilt Poker to see whether or not certain users are winning with sketchy hands all too often? Just curious if you know anything about ACR. Thanks for all the videos and info you provide.
It is ok to play on acr if it is the only site you have access to.
9:30 I think I'm a TAG - Rock hybrid, I prefer that term over NIT so ... I'll own that.
I have a question to ask of you mr. Black rain I've done a little studying on this random number generator and it's just programming I wondered this way because I was getting beat by aces over my one thing I found that you and others wanted may be concern yourself about the way they these cards that are given deterministics and undetermined deterministic are things are events that happened that has some sort of effect later on undetermined at 6 is just by chance I think this thing number generator create chance part way too often because those coolers you get sometimes our way out now getting beat by aces over Kings happens about every two thousand times and I see everyday in online poker and it really brings my game down like I'm scared to bet my chips sometimes
On the number one rule how do we play when we start getting to bigger games liek 5/10 and 5/5??
I always pretend to be a Nit and keep bluffing more the longer the game goes. Worked a lot against better players. Is there a term for players like me too?
Thank you!
Np Vlad glad this one helped you!
I have a question if I purchase your online course would that be enough or do I also need to buy the books or if I just purchased the books can I get enough out of it now the words of you I can have one but not both which one do you think is gonna teach me the most books or the online poker of course
Hey Frank, they kind of compliment each other. It also depends on how you prefer to learn. Some people prefer reading, some people prefer video format like in my university course.
do you sell your book in Europe? is it possible to pay without a Paypal account?
AA vs 66 - that's exactly right. Those 20% isn't nothing and you should act with that in mind.
The good players in my league always text me to ask if I’m playing. Now I know why. They call me the outlier. Ugh.
Nathan, when is it that you want or need to limp in preflop? I know when we decide to bet our hand we want to bet 2,3 or 4x the bb but when is the rare occasion to limp?
Im far from a pro but..deep in a tournament sometime limping when your are 1st to act and theres a few players that are short stack it can make them shove all in thinking you arent that strong.(espacilly if that specific person your targeting is on the BB or SB)
@@nicetryson That's a good strategy against looser players.
But even against semi tight, semi moderate , semi very aggressive players, shorter stacks, that is not a good way to play, and here why.
The chance that the player will get A2 to A8, K8 suited+, Q9 suited +, JT suited, QT, QJ, KT, KJ, 22, etc, on the SB, BB, is about 2% to 4% to 6% of the time.
And the chances that they will shove preflop to steal, scoop the limp ins, if they are dealt a hand in that range, and beat the EXTREMELY LOW ODDS to have such a hand on blinds in first place, is about 33%.
So because of that, when you open limp trap a premium, semi premium hand to try to trap, catch such a player, your usually about only about a 10% to 13% to 15% chance that someone will shove on blinds and bail your limp out.
Most of the time, your then in a 4,5,6,7 way limped in pot, with your trappy hand, with about a 59% to 63% chance of getting OUTFLOPPED, BEAT by the turn, river, by 1 of the 4 to 7 limpers.
It's just TOO RISKY. And you don't your limp trap bailed out, paid off, etc, often enough to justify playing that way.
And when you play that way, most of the time it doesn't work, and then the one time it miraculously works for you, some tight, limp happy player on the short stack unluckily, miraculously wakes up with a shoveable hand that is behind your limp trap hand, and shoves, and bust out, making players like you think that limp trapping like that is good, when it isn't as good as you think.
Only limp trap vs the extremely loose, hyper aggressive players.
The rest of the time, raise like you should, instead of limp trapping on a limp happy table, and you will win more, etc.
This channel has helped my game so much thank you black rain
Glad I could help you John, thanks for watching!
Haha made the nut straight on the turn, got re-raised all-in on the turn by a newby. I fast rolled my straight and he was ecstatic to show he had top pair. 100% oblivious to ranges and that A2 wasn’t typically a good hand to pile the chips in on AKJ8 board.
Unfortunately a 4th diamond came on the river and he made a 2 high flush lmao.
Don’t forget to pay your fish tax lmao
Can you do a video on finding games with bad players 😬
MMA reference, liked and subscribed
What about the WPT site where 8 out of 10 hands for something that is obviously a bot are premium hands. Like straight flush, full house, flush etc. What's the math say about that?
Hey been watching your channel for a while now. I would love to watch you play! Do you still play or you retired?
Bro u r becoming a must for a day.. watching your video 10/vids per day..😂
Thank you so much 😀
I'm in south africa I love poker tables but they are not supported to my country, which one that has no limit on countries
Number 1 is spot on
5:59 and this is why I don't play poker anywhere near as much as I used to
I'm a bit new at trying to get good at poker, but how is Q8 a bad hand in the first example? I mean, the only thing beating you is KQ, so having the Q high straight is a pretty good hand.
Just ask Brad Owen's about #5. Don't play the best, be the best you play.
Sometimes it good to play as a nit considering that "nit" call start bluffing!
Nowadays there are no "good games" anymore, even for 1/2 games 5-7 of the table players are TAG /LAG/NITS
I am no more capable of thinking on this level
Yes, people, listen for this man carefully. We, the fish, need more pro players like you to, uh, teach us.
Gee...#1 Make Perfect Sense......but will there ever be a table to play at? I live in the Heart of Hold'em Country. Between Winstar's & Choctaw 40+ table poker rooms, legal card rooms, and private poker games, + Online, I have no shortage of options. But to find a table that is not a mix of TAGs, LAGs, & Nits would be like finding Eldorado.....
Can you explain the AA vs 66? Clearly im a bad poker player so please help
I imagine he's referring to the fact that there could be another 6 in the flop etc, ie just because you have a pair of Aces it's not a guaranteed win.
They could catch a straight with 7, 8, 9, and 10. They could catch a flush with 4 hearts or 4 diamonds. That could catch a 6. One of those things will happen 20% of the time and best pocket Aces
What is nits meaning
OK, I know it isn't exactly the point of the video but for #5, is K7o really such a bad call on that board? You have a straight and you block KQ which is one of the main hands villain would be representing here.
It also depends on the bet sizing, but am I missing something? I don't really play but K7o doesn't seem like a terrible hand here. I guess I'm the fish. :)
Whats crazy is, I'm a total fish. However, sometimes I'm playing WAY too wide so I try and tighten it up. Then I'm playing WAY too tight and I won't get action when I have good hands. Its literally a lose-lose LOL
Great video! I relate hard to the losing with pocket aces, happened my first time ever playing live lol. I just find it hilarious over angry. Thats comedy and that's the game.
I gotta find a poker lounge to play at again!
Happy to help, thanks for watching my poker videos!
are any of your books availiable as a soft cover ??
Hey Frank, sorry but my books are all digital, pdf, mobi and epub.
I swear to god if it wasn’t for statistical anomalies, I would be a millionaire already. You have no idea how many times I was 51% on the flop and got nothing how many times somebody was 4% on the river to hit something and they do it. I don’t understand why these things these anomalies happened to me consistently. I’m mixing up my hands I’m mixing up my play it’s insane.
Once the big blind and small blind what's the difference?
agree on 5-2. but if you don't know how to play against a TAG, LAG and Nit, chances are you're the bad player.
Well I'll be a slippery fish. You made a video that was worth a thumb's up.
I love to complain about bad beats to hide my skills...
Hi nathan great video. Can you tell if its a good idea to play 1v1 against the dealer online over very restricted combinations and discipline. Do u think it can be successful?
Fold you KK to a nit who will show you AJ on that flop. They sit and wait so long that in the end they don’t wanna fold if they hit anything.
I was dealt KK, so I raise pre flop and 1 guy calls me. 333 comes on the flop, now I have full house so I raise him and he calls me. 4 comes on turn so I raise again, he calls. 3 comes up on River (4 of a kind) I make another raise, he re raises all in, and I call(rookie mistake)…he had the ACE kicker..The rest is history
Interesting, that river is an easy fold
@@dietergilian1403I'm not trying to be condescending it's just everybody has a poker channel saying what you should what you shouldn't do This guy here has a book I mean it's like sports You have all these analysts and trying to break down the game and saying that take this team and the points or whatever They don't have no more insight than the regular person just watching football and being a fan I mean if people knew the right way and to do things and we shouldn't do this and you shouldn't do that it's BS that's why it's called gambling I can sports again it's no different cards people say take the point so I'm guess I guaranteed lock and they lose and they make up all excuses I mean if you knew the outcome of just I don't know a couple of football games you could retire.. Just like this guy saying it was a rookie mistake and you saying it was a easy fold , He's saying it was a mistake cuz he got beat You saying well everyone should have folded in that situation more but after the other guy was bluffing You don't know that and then it just got wins everybody goes Yeah I could call Monday morning quarterbacks .. This is voice types so there might be mistakes there's no way I would type all this on any reply Take care 🇺🇲🦅🌍⚓ USMC
smart guy
3) overvaluing top pair. That's my biggest leak. Or at least the one I notice the most. If you've got two pair or better in a hand against me, and I've got top pair, you're probably going to win a fairly big pot. Unless of course, I see 4 to a straight, or 4 to a flush on the board. I'll lay down a set if I see that.
So you’re saying, it’s easy to bluff you, and you overvalue mediocre hands?
Where do you play?
Why is it considered impressive if a pro makes a call with low pair and feels the other guy has ace high, but is considered fishy when done in low stakes poker? Makes no sense
I made all these mistake’s yesterday 😂
Nice
You got my "like" when you compared poker to chess
Bro I swear when I jump into tables full of nits out here waiting for HOURS for a hand that they won't even get any value with lol. I'm like "what are these guys even doing?" They are feeding the rake basically waiting for a setup that they will be 1/2 times losing because of luck. Just a waste of time
Lol emotional over bad beats 😊 often here in past 👍😢
I think I'm a rock. 3:40
WTF? Another thing good poker players do is not get upset about folding pocket Ks, Aces, etc. Good players know the giant pockets get beat ALL THE TIME.
Its a proven fact that the software can differentiate between good solid players following preflop charts and know how to read board texture and the players who open k7 suited utg k9off utg 86suited frok early position. If you're one of the latter, the sites software will help you win pots. Thats a fact
People need to realize the stats and follow them. AA isn't going to win 100% of the time vs 66. It's correct to win 80% of the time and to lose 20% of the time. Maybe your AA gets beat by 66 3 out of 5 times in one day. Okay maybe you got "unlucky" for that day, but over the log run the stats don't lie.
Loose aggressive players to be avoided?
Unless drunk. :)
good LAGs who are deepstacked are the worst players to play vs
This is OK but for new players it's dangerous because it's ascribing behavior based on expected betting. Truth is you're only going to get better by seeing hands.
I like this guy