They killed Suzie AGAIN! (She was also Niobe in Rome, which is probably their most recent time seeing her. But honestly Indira is just a a very prolific and talented actress in general, she’s in loads of things.)
26:54 the fourth face there, after Hartnell, is the face of Richard E. Grant, who you saw on-screen as the Great Intelligence in _The Name of the Doctor,_ but more relevantly to this, played a version of the 9th Doctor in an animated serial for the 40th anniversary in 2003 called _Scream of the Shalka_
Although the Great Intelligence did insert himself throughout the Doctor's timeline, so he could turn up in a scan like this. I mean, it's the Shalka Doctor obviously, but just giving an alternative possibility.
@@alansmithee419 Everyone keeps saying that this 'confirms the Shalka Doctor!!' even though the VFX artists have directly come out to state that this Doctor is the incarnation from Curse of Fatal Death.
"You mean to tell me you got engaged to someone you just MET THAT DAY?!" cut to 11 years later: *Jonathan Groff plays a character that gets engaged the day they meet their crush.* all jokes aside, I do hope that Rogue and Fifteen meet again soon. Their chemistry was insane. EDIT: "He likes to do it from behind." Aaron, never change lol
I'm in in the minority to think that 15 had the chemistry by himself .... but rouge was like acting against a brick.. i felt no warmth or emotion from his character.
@@Gantali9305 that is the point? he spends the whole episode wearing a mask and refusing to be open with the doctor, then at the end he finally opens up and sacrifices himself. Only for the doctor to try and mask his grief with ruby, bringing the whole thing full circle
Rogue is like Captain Jack with River Song's temperament and Madame de Pompadour's storyline. How could the Doctor resist? This one better not stay dead...or turn into a bad guy.
my biggest fear is rogue turns out to be The One Who Waits as he's been waiting for who knows how long in a random demension where the laws of time could be totally different... his last word "come find me"... what if he waited... and now he's done waiting.
This felt like a standard Dr Who episode which was nice and cozy especially after the recent big episodes, it wasn't overly complicated but very enjoyable
Yes! Honestly the fun fresh air I personally needed after the last 3 episodes. Like I loved them, but back to back to back, I needed something a little lighter and to to see the Doctor and Ruby have fun.
FYI, that scene at the end of Dot and Bubble, where Ncuti gives that amazing performance was the first thing he shot for this season. ( He'd shot his stuff for The Giggle previously but that was it )
Rouge's random comment about having "a new boss" reminds me of The Meep's last words in The Star Beast. I think next season's bad wolf/Susan Twist plot thread will be all about "The Boss" and what their deal is.
Well if we can’t have more Captain Jack Harkness because of the John Barrowman controversy, Jonathan Groff as a D&D playing intergalactic bounty hunter is a sufficient replacement
@@laryssanovaes4336 its a non-controversy. He was very inappropriate over a decade ago, maybe even more than 15 years. Noone made formal complaints, but it was addressed, he apologised (at the time) and never did it again, in 15 years. However because of the Noel Clarke (mickey) allegations (actual serious legal complaints) someone, probably trying to divert from noel, posted an old video of him talking about johns behaviour. And it worked. People forgot about noel clark and immediately jumped on the anti john bandwagon. Heavily using his sexuality against him. Despite the fact it had been resolved for over a decade. But because of the media attention, he had to lose one or two doctor who jobs, (not because they fired him or anything, just because of temporary distancing because of the media attention). People now lying that he kept doing it for years when he never did. Noone ever complained. and again... it was resolved. Seriosu... but resolved. He shouldn't be out of a job his whole life.
To help clarify, full name is Tarmacadam, but what we call tarmac is what the US would refer to as 'asphalt', I believe? (Which itself is an abbreviation, technically). And before someone goes full pedant, I know tarmac and 'asphalt concrete' are separate things, but its a case of the UK being archaic and still uses tarmac to refer to road surfaces (which are actually asphalt concrete).
@@AmazingChi am american and while asphalt is definitely the more common term, ive also heard tarmac pretty frequently. i think most here are at least familiar with the term even if they dont use it themselves.
I freaking LOVED this episode. Two souls, still very much aware of their own loss and grieving and who ALSO make the conscious, positive choice to reach out to one another. To _hope_ again. Ugh. Loved it. ❤
In Doctor Who unleashed, he said he doesn't know if he will be back, but he hopes he will be because he really enjoyed working on Doctor Who, everyone was so friendly
I've had the feeling for a while that RTD is essentially repeating his first season with Christopher Ecclestone, though with Slitheen 2 parter skipped and one change in order. 1. Domestic drama focusing on companion (Rose/Ruby Road) 2. Camp space adventure (End of the World/Space Babies) 3. Historical with dimension-hopping villain and famous side character (Unquiet Dead/Devil's Chord) 4. Trapped in one location, companion fake-out death (Dalek/Boom) 5. Doctor/Companion action leads to mess-up of time (Father's Day/73 Yards) 6. Comment on modern media/communication (The Long Game/Dot and Bubble) 7. Historical with 'rogue'ish character (Empty Child-Doctor Dances/Rogue) And we're heading to a two part finale portentially wrapping up hints about Bad Wolf....I mean Ruby....Susan Twist....Mrs Flood.....whatever... Oh, and the Doctor only falls in love with people whose name begins with 'R'. Rose, Reinette, River, Rogue... Hhhhmmm......Russell.....
@@Tyrconnell It was left a bit ambiguous, the Doctor basically saying she can't do a relationship like that (for like, trauma, lifespan angst etc. reasons), but if she did it would be Yaz. But I'm choosing to interpret that as her having feelings for Yaz, just choosing not to act on them.
Richard E Grant was seen as one of the Doctor's faces in this episode. He was in "The Snowmen" in 2012 as the villain but he has actually played the Doctor twice, both being non canon until now. One was in a 2003 animated Story called Scream of the Shalka and the other was a parody written by Steven Moffat called "The Curse of Fatal Death". How exactly is this Doctor now canon? I am clueless. Scream of the Shalka can't be one of the pre-Hartnel Doctors because it featured the Master (who wasn't aware of any previous Doctors) and The Curse of Fatal Death would make Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Grant and more be canon Doctors which just adds a whole new level of wildness. So I have no clue, but I am happy because he is a great actor.
@@TheZebbga very true I'm also interested in the fact that Kylie Minogue had a song in this episode and also played in the show in 2007. There's no reason to actually question it, but it's funny for sure
@@jeroen3468 I did think about that. I mean obviously Astrid the character isn't Kylie the singer, but when the Doctor was playing that music I was like "You have met her!"
Ok so - The Toymaker, (a being who is able to manipulate matter with thought and to whom time and space is nothing but an illusion, lest we forget), told us in the Giggle that he had made a jigsaw out of the Doctor's past. RTD has stated in many interviews that the purpose of this was to create wiggle room in whatever this show counts as canon (ie nothing, but some fans insist that it must have it, so here is the get-out clause). In doing this, he has pulled Richard E Grant's unofficial 9th Doctor into the main continuity. But it gets even better than that! Tales From The TARDIS introduced the Memory TARDIS. Dialogue presented within those short pieces states out right that multiple timelines now exist - most notably from the 7th Doctor, who says that in some of those he regenerates, in others he doesn't. RTD has stated that the effects of the Bi-generation reverberated throughout the Doctor's entire timeline, meaning that every past Doctor both regenerated and also stayed the same. But it gets even better than that! If Grants alternative 9th Doctor can be pulled in, so can other alternatives, including the "Unbound" Doctor's from Big Finish. But BEST OF ALL Rowan Atkinson is now an official incarnation of the Doctor, which I think is borderline joygasmic. But even more even more than that, in The Curse of the Fatal Death, Atkinson's Doctor is shown to regenerate multiple times. One of those times is Richard E Grant. So thanks to the Toymaker messing with the Doctors past, entwining multiverses and mashing it all together, AND the process of Bi-generation, Grant's Shalka Doctor is now not just a stand alone Doctor, but a continuation of his Curse of the Fatal Death incarnation. And people thought the Timeless Child retcon was confusing! I FECKING LOVE THE AUDACITY OF IT
Jack Harkness 2.0 xD A bit of Family of Blood with shapeshifters and wrathful Doctor But most of all a lighthearted romp through history. Just a good ol classic doctor who episode.
@@BARALover96 I like how he's similar to Jack, a roguish morally grayer space traveler who wields a gun and flirts with the Doctor, but has a much different personality, not just a copy. Rogue is more shy and quick to embarrass.
Rogue's ring looks very like the D&D 5E character class symbol for Rogues. Also, people didn't go down on one knee and propose or indeed use engagement rings in the Regency Era so the non-alien/time-travellers in the room would have been confused as well as scandalised.
Very glad Eric's come to recognize and understand what the previous episode was trying to do. It takes a well developed mind to admit to ones own privilege
The Dungeons and Dragons name drop got me thinking. There are pantheons and evil gods all throughout DnD so I did quick search. There is couple of references to "The one who waits" or "He who waits" in DnD lore. Mostly relating to the gods of chaos and tyranny. My other google hits were all Cult of the Lamb references, which I have not played.
6:16 While Americans are mostly only familiar with the term "tarmac" in reference to runways, tarmac is actually a genericized British brand name for asphalt. (Technically, asphalt concrete is a variant form of the original Tarmacadam, using bitumen (aka asphalt, a viscous petroleum constituent) instead of tar.)
there's an extra Bridgerton easter egg because Jonathan Groff played King George IV in Hamilton, the same King George IV who is losing his mind in Bridgerton. Jonathan Groff probably couldn't film more than one episode because he was developing a revival of Merrily We Roll Along for Broadway at the time, a play for which he just won a Tony for best leading actor in a musical. Dan Radcliffe also won a Tony for his role in the same musical.
What makes Rogue so interesting for me is that it feels like story-wise it'll be incredibly difficult to bring him back without the next episode where they meet being about the flaws of a whirlwind romance. While I loved him in this episode and as a character, the most interesting story to continue it with is a re-meeting that doesn't hold up to what it should have been. But even if they do that I still want him to be around, regardless of whatever amount of romance, cause he was great.
@@HellfireComms that one is my second favourite! And then probably dot and bubble or the Christmas special. Devils chord was alright. I didn’t enjoy the space babies and boom, though I’ve been loving the doctor and ruby ans their relationship every episode.
The trap locked at 6 with the addition of broken-beak, so Rogue (who knows his tech) knew he had to do a "matter exchange" to free Ruby by taking her place. He's probably never faced a situation where he could selectively free someone already locked in, so that's something for him to think about while he waits for the Doctor to find him.
The first scene I saw Rogue with the Doctor I was like "Oh they have such a chemistry together, I bet he will die at the end." And I was not so wrong sadly...
My theory is that Rogue spends an eternity lost in a dimension where he cannot die. Waiting for doctor to come save him, who never does. Til after billions of years and hijinks with other universes and the pantheon(he may have even created them) he becomes The One Who Waits ...
I'm guessing Chulder sounds familliar to Aaron because he's thinking of Chula, the warrior race mentioned in the gas mask episode that were responsible for making Captain Jack's ship as well as the ambulence that released the nanogenes
Chuldur sounds a lot like Chula which is the civilisation the space ambulance from Captain Jack's debut The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances. Fun fact, 'Chula' is the name of an Indian restaurant in Hammersmith, London where Steven Moffat, Mark Gatiss and Robert Shearman met to celebrate being hired to write stories for the 2005 revival.
He’s a more reserved, slightly less cocky Captain Jack. I really hope we see him again. I also love that he started falling into old unhealthy coping mechanisms and Ruby pulled him out of it. He told 14 he was okay because 14 would be okay, so I don’t want to see 15 repressing and running again.
Aaron, the beak is not why birds die when they run into windows. It's the bruising or damage to their brains, or breaking of their *necks* that kills them when they run into windows. 🤦♂️
A thought that occurred to me was that if the bird people and Rogue were all sent to the same random, barren dimension together Rogue’s gonna have a rough time of it until the Doctor finds him. That experience could easily fuck a person up in a profound way, couldn’t it? That would be sad, but also make for a nice, juicy, dark script to entice the very busy Jonathan Groff back for another appearance. But I’m sure RTD has a plan. 😊
@@FizzyChimp I'm not sure what another name would be. "Classical" instruments used to play "modern" songs. I've seen others call it "BardCore", as well. We might need a name. Can something be made out of "Regency"?
I keep yelling IT'S CAPTAIN JACK! YOU'RE SO CLOSE! LOL Rogue, I would hope comes back. I not only like how he bounces off the Doctor. but he seems like a crafty ally. (Might even be the leader of a new Torchwood crew... I hope to God out loud.) EDIT: I'm sure you know it by now but the unknown face is Richard Grant, he's known as the Shalka Doctor, an alternate 9th Doctor in a short form animated DW series.
I’m glad that the crew and Eric in particular are enjoying this series so much because even if I still think it’s not that great I love to see people’s enjoyment of my favourite show
my biggest fear is rogue turns out to be The One Who Waits as he's been waiting for who knows how long in a random demension where the laws of time could be totally different... his last word "come find me"... what if he waited... and now he's done waiting.
also the fancy bird lady (killed by the maid) was played by the actress who plays Susie in Torchwood !! and she died, so they really do keep killing susie
So sad to see how many bigots and haters watch Doctor Who. What makes it worse are the ones that claim to be fans and love Doctor Who. How quickly they forgot that Jack Harkness kissed the 9th Doctor, the 11th Doctor talking about making out with guys and/or dancing with men. If Doctor Who offends you SO greatly maybe you should just stop watching, stop commenting and go away. The Whoniverse doesn't need "fans" like you.
The song the Doctor & Rogue are dancing to is A Grace Jones song, Libertango (I've Seen That Face Before), which may be a clue to who Rogue really is. The other thing is the addition of Richard E Grant amongst the Doctor's faces. He played the Doctor in the animated Shalka adventure, before the 2005 reboot. RTD was none to kind, regarding that performance. He them showed up as the Great Intelligence in the Moffatt era. I don't believe they've added him in to canonize Shalka.
Is it just me or has Ruby hardly been in The Tardis this season? I don’t think we had a scene of her and The Doctor inside The Tardis together since Episode 2
That's pretty normal for RTD's writing in general. It's been said that RTD uses the TARDIS mainly just as transport to facilitate stories, while Moffat (and to a lesser extent Chibnall) treats it like a second home for the Doctor and companion(s). I will say I miss the more homely type of TARDIS we had with 12, and those quieter moments in the TARDIS.
Jack and Rogue have completely different personalities and relationships with the Doctor. Rogue by Kate Heron's (co writer's) own words is "introverted". He's not flirty, he's actually quite standoffish and mostly just trying to get on with his job. The Doctor peals back his walls as the episode goes on and we find his vulnerable side and his geeky side and romantic heart. They are very different people.
0:34 Among all the Doctor's heads was Richard E Grant, who appeared as the embodiment of The Great Intelligence in two Matt Smith episodes. Does this make Scream of the Shalka canon?
It still baffles me how people are saying 2/8 episodes being doctor-lite... makes this a doctor-lite season. "Why arent they using him more" only episode 4 doesn't use him. Even episode 5 which is doctor lite has the big ending, and frequent scenes. And episode 3 is a big performance even on the landmine.
I love how people keep coming on here to complain about Doctor Who being "woke" and "isn't for kids anymore", as if the Blind Wave crew have any say in its current direction. EDIT: I should probably clarify, I'm perfectly A-OK with the more inclusive direction the show is taking. I'm poking fun at the people who are complaining about it, because it's fun.
Am I the only one that got 1985 Prince or Morris Day vibes from The Doctor's look and vibe in this episode? I'm not in the LGBTQ community, but I absolutely Loved this episode. Very "classic" Doctor Who type episode but with modern adjustments. For all those who might complain about him enamored with a guy, did they have an issue with Rose? With the Woman in the Fireplace? The woman when the Doctor's psyche was kept in the pocket watch when he battled with The Family? How about that he has a Granddaughter dating all the way back to the First Doctor? If they didn't have issues with those women, then their issue is that it's a guy, and as we've seen The Doctor is non-binary and can regenerate into male, female, or something undefined. Rogue is like the Jack Harkness for this Doctor, at least in terms of "vibes," and I hope that he returns. Wouldn't mind seeing him as a Companion or perhaps The Companion for Ncuti's final season for example. Very interesting character. The "bad guys" are ok, but beyond this one episode I'm not sure if we need to see them again. But yeah, this episode is a 10/10 from me.
The prevailing theory in the fandom (Potential spoilers? But it is just speculation) is that Rogue is ‘The One Who Waits’. It’s 1813 and he gets sent to a pocket dimension, asking the Doctor to find him. He then spends the next couple of centuries waiting, and presumably growing resentful that he was never rescued or even searched for…
This is also one of my theories! Plus he PLAYS D&D! Who knows maybe Toymaker played D&D with him and lost? Once I saw RPG session and it seemed super complicated. Maybe Toymaker wasn't nerd enough to win heh
@@vashsunglasses I agree, I love Jonathan Groff and I love them together and I want Rogue to be new River Song. But there is no denying that he will be WAITING for the Doctor at least for now.
I actually loved how they handled the doctor having romantic inclinations here, because Rogue is actually pretty much his equal. River... felt like his equal but her entire life revolved around him. Rogue is actually someone the doctor can have a normal meet cute with, aside from lifespan theyre basically on the same level.
I really like Rogue. It’s nice to have a fun episode again after the two rather heavy ones previously. I know there are many times when we’ve seen one-off characters that said they’d return but it really feels like we’ll see Rogue again. And I really like the chemistry that Ncuti and Jonathan Groff have. It took me a rewatch to buy their romance. Whenever he’s fallen in love, it’s always been either with a companion or with a one-off character reluctantly. It's never so quick and so obvious. It took him forever to admit his feelings to Rose, River, and Yaz. That being said, I liked the chulders and that they just ended up maliciously playing. I love the _Caberet_ reference they make. I never believed for a second that Ruby was dead… again. At the rate she’s going, she’ll beat Rory’s record for deaths. And it was really funny in a really meta way to hear Kylie Minogue’s “Can’t Get You Out of My Head”. I almost wanted the Doctor to reference Astrid as a character directly.
He plays DnD but didnt get Cosplay? Idk ive sustained suspension of disbelief of alot of Doctor Who things from Psychic Paper to Fart Terrorist aliens but this might be my line to draw Lol
Tbh when I watched it I just assumed that DnD was his dead/missing partner's thing- he's not very good at roleplaying or acting as you can see through the episode, so it made the most sense to me.
@@xryptiid Was kinda my assumption too but then i couldn't type Fart Aliens so it was a real catch 22. Loved the episode to be honest sarcasm just lives and dies typed lol
I'd have been very upset if Rogue had sent Ruby to the hell dimension. I was very angry with Captain Jack when he sacrificed his own grandchild to save the earth in Children of Earth.
Loved your reaction as always❤. You should watch society of the snow. It's a great movie and I would love to hear what you have to say about that one. If you do watch it I recommend the original language with subtitles, the acting was amazing
On the point of them filming ncuti on a screen- he didnt even need to remember the lines as he had a teleprompter. So they made it super easy for ncuti to film the last episode. I reccomend watching doctor who unleashed which is a BTS show for each episode. It probably isnt available in the us on disney+ but A VPN AND AN IPLAYER ACCOUNT IS FAIRLY EASY 😅
@@Tao_Tology It most likely will not be available world wide as its not apart of the disney + deal. Unleashed is a BBC product made for the BBC Three terrestrial channel. Just like tales of the tardis and the doctor who classic series is not on disney +.
2021 - RTD criticises Disney's Loki for poor bi rep 2022 - Kate Herron, producer on Loki and Who fan, defends efforts and blames Disney 2023 - RTD gets Kate to write a DW episode 2024 - Kate makes THE Doctor bi, which streams globally on Disney 💖💜💙
I wouldn’t say this has been a doctor lite season I think it only feels like that cause we had 2 doctor lite episodes in a row, even though I felt he was way more in dot and bubble then 73 yards
There was no way Ruby would die, no matter the "rules" :) Chekov's Gun saw to that. There was no reason to include the "battle mode" banter at the top of the show if it wasn't relevant to the plot.
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ummm isn't the Doctor still Married to River Song?
@@kdvideoproductions2904 no
Also “The Duchess” in this episode was played by Indira Varma, who was in Game of Thrones, Kenobi as Tala and was also in Torchwood as Suzie!
They killed Suzie AGAIN!
(She was also Niobe in Rome, which is probably their most recent time seeing her. But honestly Indira is just a a very prolific and talented actress in general, she’s in loads of things.)
And Allura from The Legend of Vox Machina
26:54 the fourth face there, after Hartnell, is the face of Richard E. Grant, who you saw on-screen as the Great Intelligence in _The Name of the Doctor,_ but more relevantly to this, played a version of the 9th Doctor in an animated serial for the 40th anniversary in 2003 called _Scream of the Shalka_
He also played a version of the doctor in moffat's 1999 "the curse of fatal death" comic relief sketch.
@@alansmithee419 yes, there he was a version of the 10th instead.
That was also Moffat’s first televised Dr Who script 😂
Although the Great Intelligence did insert himself throughout the Doctor's timeline, so he could turn up in a scan like this. I mean, it's the Shalka Doctor obviously, but just giving an alternative possibility.
@@alansmithee419 Everyone keeps saying that this 'confirms the Shalka Doctor!!' even though the VFX artists have directly come out to state that this Doctor is the incarnation from Curse of Fatal Death.
@@DaDaPieGaming Source?
"I have to be like this 'cause this is what I'm like" is so wonderfully, HEARTBREAKINGLY just... Doctor
"You mean to tell me you got engaged to someone you just MET THAT DAY?!"
cut to 11 years later:
*Jonathan Groff plays a character that gets engaged the day they meet their crush.*
all jokes aside, I do hope that Rogue and Fifteen meet again soon. Their chemistry was insane.
EDIT: "He likes to do it from behind." Aaron, never change lol
I'm in in the minority to think that 15 had the chemistry by himself .... but rouge was like acting against a brick.. i felt no warmth or emotion from his character.
@@Gantali9305 i think thats the point he has a wall. erik even points it out.
@@Gantali9305 that is the point? he spends the whole episode wearing a mask and refusing to be open with the doctor, then at the end he finally opens up and sacrifices himself. Only for the doctor to try and mask his grief with ruby, bringing the whole thing full circle
I love how into it they all are, especially Eric. I know it hasn’t totally been their cup of tea for a while but I’m happy to see that’s changed.
Eric loves a wedding.
They've enjoyed this season a lot more.
Rogue is like Captain Jack with River Song's temperament and Madame de Pompadour's storyline. How could the Doctor resist? This one better not stay dead...or turn into a bad guy.
Hear hear!
my biggest fear is rogue turns out to be The One Who Waits as he's been waiting for who knows how long in a random demension where the laws of time could be totally different... his last word "come find me"... what if he waited... and now he's done waiting.
@@rayo7734 Yeah I've been seeing that theory too...He could also be a Pond! Waiting is a family tradition at this point.
I'm safe to say that rogue coming back would be pleasantly appreciated
This felt like a standard Dr Who episode which was nice and cozy especially after the recent big episodes, it wasn't overly complicated but very enjoyable
RTD said in the behind the scenes interviews for this episode that he asked 'can we please do a Monster of The Week episode?'
Yeah, if I were coming back to do doctor who a second time around I'd want to do something different, but it's nice to return to the basics
This didn't feel like Dr. Who at all this was just fluff.
@@joshuajoshua2732 girl who asked
Yes! Honestly the fun fresh air I personally needed after the last 3 episodes. Like I loved them, but back to back to back, I needed something a little lighter and to to see the Doctor and Ruby have fun.
Jonathan Groff is such a good actor.
I love actors in shows who act like they can’t act while in character
He’ll be back. Soon you’ll see.
FYI, that scene at the end of Dot and Bubble, where Ncuti gives that amazing performance was the first thing he shot for this season. ( He'd shot his stuff for The Giggle previously but that was it )
Rouge's random comment about having "a new boss" reminds me of The Meep's last words in The Star Beast. I think next season's bad wolf/Susan Twist plot thread will be all about "The Boss" and what their deal is.
Agreed! super important point! But also mentions of the one who waits what if thats rogue... who's been waiting for the doctor to come find him.
Well if we can’t have more Captain Jack Harkness because of the John Barrowman controversy, Jonathan Groff as a D&D playing intergalactic bounty hunter is a sufficient replacement
Wait, what controversy? Captain Jack is my favorite 😢
@@laryssanovaes4336I missed it, too.
People keep saying there is a controversy, but I did not hear about it.
@@scotthewitt258trust me, there was
I’m pretty sure he was also part of the reason why Christopher Eccleston left. I could be wrong, but I did hear something of it before
@@laryssanovaes4336 its a non-controversy. He was very inappropriate over a decade ago, maybe even more than 15 years. Noone made formal complaints, but it was addressed, he apologised (at the time) and never did it again, in 15 years. However because of the Noel Clarke (mickey) allegations (actual serious legal complaints) someone, probably trying to divert from noel, posted an old video of him talking about johns behaviour. And it worked. People forgot about noel clark and immediately jumped on the anti john bandwagon. Heavily using his sexuality against him. Despite the fact it had been resolved for over a decade. But because of the media attention, he had to lose one or two doctor who jobs, (not because they fired him or anything, just because of temporary distancing because of the media attention). People now lying that he kept doing it for years when he never did. Noone ever complained. and again... it was resolved. Seriosu... but resolved. He shouldn't be out of a job his whole life.
Fun Fact: This episode was filmed using the same crew from Bridgerton❤ Such a beautiful episode 😊
Some of the same crew, they didn't just use their entire production, just some people with certain expertise
They did use the Bridgerton choreographer.
Sure, Rogue said he doesn't cosplay, but he also plays DnD.
Im glad Melanie is here. She seems to catch alot more references and details connecting to other shows.
Watching you guys passing around the tissue box was freakin' adorable.
In case anyone else hasn’t answered it, over here in the U.K., Tarmac is what’s used to make road surfaces (including runways, as you said!).
To help clarify, full name is Tarmacadam, but what we call tarmac is what the US would refer to as 'asphalt', I believe? (Which itself is an abbreviation, technically). And before someone goes full pedant, I know tarmac and 'asphalt concrete' are separate things, but its a case of the UK being archaic and still uses tarmac to refer to road surfaces (which are actually asphalt concrete).
@@AmazingChi am american and while asphalt is definitely the more common term, ive also heard tarmac pretty frequently. i think most here are at least familiar with the term even if they dont use it themselves.
I freaking LOVED this episode.
Two souls, still very much aware of their own loss and grieving and who ALSO make the conscious, positive choice to reach out to one another.
To _hope_ again.
Ugh.
Loved it. ❤
In Doctor Who unleashed, he said he doesn't know if he will be back, but he hopes he will be because he really enjoyed working on Doctor Who, everyone was so friendly
Thought this was a very fun episode! Hope we see more of Rogue in future episodes.
I've had the feeling for a while that RTD is essentially repeating his first season with Christopher Ecclestone, though with Slitheen 2 parter skipped and one change in order.
1. Domestic drama focusing on companion (Rose/Ruby Road)
2. Camp space adventure (End of the World/Space Babies)
3. Historical with dimension-hopping villain and famous side character (Unquiet Dead/Devil's Chord)
4. Trapped in one location, companion fake-out death (Dalek/Boom)
5. Doctor/Companion action leads to mess-up of time (Father's Day/73 Yards)
6. Comment on modern media/communication (The Long Game/Dot and Bubble)
7. Historical with 'rogue'ish character (Empty Child-Doctor Dances/Rogue)
And we're heading to a two part finale portentially wrapping up hints about Bad Wolf....I mean Ruby....Susan Twist....Mrs Flood.....whatever...
Oh, and the Doctor only falls in love with people whose name begins with 'R'.
Rose, Reinette, River, Rogue...
Hhhhmmm......Russell.....
I mean, there was Yaz too, but that wasn't RTD I suppose. But yeah I noticed that trend too haha
@@theanyktos I know Yaz was in love with the Doctor, but was in reciprocated? I've genuinely forgotten.
@@Tyrconnell It was left a bit ambiguous, the Doctor basically saying she can't do a relationship like that (for like, trauma, lifespan angst etc. reasons), but if she did it would be Yaz. But I'm choosing to interpret that as her having feelings for Yaz, just choosing not to act on them.
The choreographer was indeed the same one that does Bridgerton. I think they used some of their crew as well. Enjoyed your reaction.
I’m kinda surprised that Eric and Aaron didn’t catch the Han Solo reference with Rogue’s ship being a “falcon”
I thought Eagle because he's American.
Richard E Grant was seen as one of the Doctor's faces in this episode. He was in "The Snowmen" in 2012 as the villain but he has actually played the Doctor twice, both being non canon until now. One was in a 2003 animated Story called Scream of the Shalka and the other was a parody written by Steven Moffat called "The Curse of Fatal Death". How exactly is this Doctor now canon? I am clueless. Scream of the Shalka can't be one of the pre-Hartnel Doctors because it featured the Master (who wasn't aware of any previous Doctors) and The Curse of Fatal Death would make Rowan Atkinson, Hugh Grant and more be canon Doctors which just adds a whole new level of wildness. So I have no clue, but I am happy because he is a great actor.
Just don't question it, it's doctor who!
@@jeroen3468 But it is fun to question it.
@@TheZebbga very true
I'm also interested in the fact that Kylie Minogue had a song in this episode and also played in the show in 2007. There's no reason to actually question it, but it's funny for sure
@@jeroen3468 I did think about that. I mean obviously Astrid the character isn't Kylie the singer, but when the Doctor was playing that music I was like "You have met her!"
Ok so - The Toymaker, (a being who is able to manipulate matter with thought and to whom time and space is nothing but an illusion, lest we forget), told us in the Giggle that he had made a jigsaw out of the Doctor's past. RTD has stated in many interviews that the purpose of this was to create wiggle room in whatever this show counts as canon (ie nothing, but some fans insist that it must have it, so here is the get-out clause). In doing this, he has pulled Richard E Grant's unofficial 9th Doctor into the main continuity.
But it gets even better than that!
Tales From The TARDIS introduced the Memory TARDIS. Dialogue presented within those short pieces states out right that multiple timelines now exist - most notably from the 7th Doctor, who says that in some of those he regenerates, in others he doesn't. RTD has stated that the effects of the Bi-generation reverberated throughout the Doctor's entire timeline, meaning that every past Doctor both regenerated and also stayed the same.
But it gets even better than that!
If Grants alternative 9th Doctor can be pulled in, so can other alternatives, including the "Unbound" Doctor's from Big Finish. But BEST OF ALL Rowan Atkinson is now an official incarnation of the Doctor, which I think is borderline joygasmic. But even more even more than that, in The Curse of the Fatal Death, Atkinson's Doctor is shown to regenerate multiple times. One of those times is Richard E Grant. So thanks to the Toymaker messing with the Doctors past, entwining multiverses and mashing it all together, AND the process of Bi-generation, Grant's Shalka Doctor is now not just a stand alone Doctor, but a continuation of his Curse of the Fatal Death incarnation.
And people thought the Timeless Child retcon was confusing! I FECKING LOVE THE AUDACITY OF IT
Melanie seems so happy to be in a main series reaction please keep her in the crew for other shows
Jack Harkness 2.0 xD A bit of Family of Blood with shapeshifters and wrathful Doctor
But most of all a lighthearted romp through history. Just a good ol classic doctor who episode.
i see the jack harkness similarities but they feel like completely different characters. Rogue is much more introvert
@@BARALover96 I like how he's similar to Jack, a roguish morally grayer space traveler who wields a gun and flirts with the Doctor, but has a much different personality, not just a copy. Rogue is more shy and quick to embarrass.
The Rogue situation was my favorite Who story in a loooooong time. I loved it so much.
Rogue's ring looks very like the D&D 5E character class symbol for Rogues.
Also, people didn't go down on one knee and propose or indeed use engagement rings in the Regency Era so the non-alien/time-travellers in the room would have been confused as well as scandalised.
I love how Ruby being gen z just mentions all these references- star trek, heartstopper, bridgerton etc
when did she mention heartstopper
@@elektrasgf in dot and bubble she makes the reference
Very glad Eric's come to recognize and understand what the previous episode was trying to do. It takes a well developed mind to admit to ones own privilege
Checkov's Battle Mode.
It’s been a long time since Doctor Who made me cry and this episode made me do it.
They probably named them chuldur just for the line "I'm not a chuldur I'm something much older"
The Dungeons and Dragons name drop got me thinking. There are pantheons and evil gods all throughout DnD so I did quick search. There is couple of references to "The one who waits" or "He who waits" in DnD lore. Mostly relating to the gods of chaos and tyranny. My other google hits were all Cult of the Lamb references, which I have not played.
6:16 While Americans are mostly only familiar with the term "tarmac" in reference to runways, tarmac is actually a genericized British brand name for asphalt. (Technically, asphalt concrete is a variant form of the original Tarmacadam, using bitumen (aka asphalt, a viscous petroleum constituent) instead of tar.)
there's an extra Bridgerton easter egg because Jonathan Groff played King George IV in Hamilton, the same King George IV who is losing his mind in Bridgerton. Jonathan Groff probably couldn't film more than one episode because he was developing a revival of Merrily We Roll Along for Broadway at the time, a play for which he just won a Tony for best leading actor in a musical. Dan Radcliffe also won a Tony for his role in the same musical.
What makes Rogue so interesting for me is that it feels like story-wise it'll be incredibly difficult to bring him back without the next episode where they meet being about the flaws of a whirlwind romance.
While I loved him in this episode and as a character, the most interesting story to continue it with is a re-meeting that doesn't hold up to what it should have been. But even if they do that I still want him to be around, regardless of whatever amount of romance, cause he was great.
This episode was just so fun! I hope we see more of Rogue in the future.
This was my favourite episode this season. The chemistry was great!
Same here, I really liked the comedy and the character dynamics we got plus the story was very nice
Same! I’ve enjoyed all the other episodes but this is definitely by far my favourite
It's definitely my favourite as well.
73 Yards is still my favourite personally, but this one's getting up there for me.
@@HellfireComms that one is my second favourite! And then probably dot and bubble or the Christmas special. Devils chord was alright.
I didn’t enjoy the space babies and boom, though I’ve been loving the doctor and ruby ans their relationship every episode.
The trap locked at 6 with the addition of broken-beak, so Rogue (who knows his tech) knew he had to do a "matter exchange" to free Ruby by taking her place. He's probably never faced a situation where he could selectively free someone already locked in, so that's something for him to think about while he waits for the Doctor to find him.
I enjoy Bridgerton but it would definitely be better with psychopathic shapeshifting LARP-ers
Like Pride and Prejudice and Zombies.
Rogue is like the perfect combination of Jack Harkness and River Song
The first scene I saw Rogue with the Doctor I was like "Oh they have such a chemistry together, I bet he will die at the end." And I was not so wrong sadly...
My theory is that Rogue spends an eternity lost in a dimension where he cannot die. Waiting for doctor to come save him, who never does. Til after billions of years and hijinks with other universes and the pantheon(he may have even created them) he becomes The One Who Waits ...
"They like to do it from behind" gave me "I just didn't expect that to be so racist" vibes😂
The way Eric and Calvin shared the look of silently recognising Indira Varma was hilarious
Have you guys seen Scream of the Shalka? It would explain the Richard E Grant Doctor.
I'm guessing Chulder sounds familliar to Aaron because he's thinking of Chula, the warrior race mentioned in the gas mask episode that were responsible for making Captain Jack's ship as well as the ambulence that released the nanogenes
Chuldur sounds a lot like Chula which is the civilisation the space ambulance from Captain Jack's debut The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances.
Fun fact, 'Chula' is the name of an Indian restaurant in Hammersmith, London where Steven Moffat, Mark Gatiss and Robert Shearman met to celebrate being hired to write stories for the 2005 revival.
He’s a more reserved, slightly less cocky Captain Jack. I really hope we see him again. I also love that he started falling into old unhealthy coping mechanisms and Ruby pulled him out of it. He told 14 he was okay because 14 would be okay, so I don’t want to see 15 repressing and running again.
Thanks to Eric, Calvin, Melanie and Aaron! ⏳
Aaron, the beak is not why birds die when they run into windows. It's the bruising or damage to their brains, or breaking of their *necks* that kills them when they run into windows. 🤦♂️
A thought that occurred to me was that if the bird people and Rogue were all sent to the same random, barren dimension together Rogue’s gonna have a rough time of it until the Doctor finds him. That experience could easily fuck a person up in a profound way, couldn’t it? That would be sad, but also make for a nice, juicy, dark script to entice the very busy Jonathan Groff back for another appearance. But I’m sure RTD has a plan. 😊
Yes, that was a BardCore-style cover of Billie Eyelash's "Bad Guy".
Bardcore? This is the regency era, you’re about 300 years out!
@@FizzyChimp I'm not sure what another name would be. "Classical" instruments used to play "modern" songs.
I've seen others call it "BardCore", as well.
We might need a name. Can something be made out of "Regency"?
I keep yelling IT'S CAPTAIN JACK! YOU'RE SO CLOSE! LOL Rogue, I would hope comes back. I not only like how he bounces off the Doctor. but he seems like a crafty ally. (Might even be the leader of a new Torchwood crew... I hope to God out loud.) EDIT: I'm sure you know it by now but the unknown face is Richard Grant, he's known as the Shalka Doctor, an alternate 9th Doctor in a short form animated DW series.
I’m glad that the crew and Eric in particular are enjoying this series so much because even if I still think it’s not that great I love to see people’s enjoyment of my favourite show
my biggest fear is rogue turns out to be The One Who Waits as he's been waiting for who knows how long in a random demension where the laws of time could be totally different... his last word "come find me"... what if he waited... and now he's done waiting.
also the fancy bird lady (killed by the maid) was played by the actress who plays Susie in Torchwood !! and she died, so they really do keep killing susie
So sad to see how many bigots and haters watch Doctor Who. What makes it worse are the ones that claim to be fans and love Doctor Who. How quickly they forgot that Jack Harkness kissed the 9th Doctor, the 11th Doctor talking about making out with guys and/or dancing with men. If Doctor Who offends you SO greatly maybe you should just stop watching, stop commenting and go away. The Whoniverse doesn't need "fans" like you.
I'll be so sad if we never see Rogue again 💙❤
Ugh I hope he finds rogue. Make it happen RTD!
I hope so too.
15 and Rogue could be the new 11 and River Song
The song the Doctor & Rogue are dancing to is A Grace Jones song, Libertango (I've Seen That Face Before), which may be a clue to who Rogue really is.
The other thing is the addition of Richard E Grant amongst the Doctor's faces. He played the Doctor in the animated Shalka adventure, before the 2005 reboot. RTD was none to kind, regarding that performance. He them showed up as the Great Intelligence in the Moffatt era. I don't believe they've added him in to canonize Shalka.
Is it just me or has Ruby hardly been in The Tardis this season? I don’t think we had a scene of her and The Doctor inside The Tardis together since Episode 2
That's pretty normal for RTD's writing in general. It's been said that RTD uses the TARDIS mainly just as transport to facilitate stories, while Moffat (and to a lesser extent Chibnall) treats it like a second home for the Doctor and companion(s). I will say I miss the more homely type of TARDIS we had with 12, and those quieter moments in the TARDIS.
"Boom"? They showed The Doctor hear the scream inside Idris. Were they both shown inside?
@@BlueSparxLPs After all, it was during Moffatt's tenure when at least two episodes explored the TARDIS' corridors.
What was the point of that huge impressive set if they're not going to use it?
This is that titanic episode all over again. Any time he meets someone he starts to really like you know they’re going to die
Well this is "Dr. Who" expect death otherwise there's no drama.
And both had Kylie Minogue in them 🤣🤣😂😂
loved this episode, thanks guys!~
You guys gotta react to Scream of the Shalka now - Richard E Grant in the line-up of canon Doctors finally :)
When The Doctor and Rouge were talking for the first time, did the music not sound like a violin version of “Look What You Made Me Do”?
"Long time to suffer". Careful, you're 10 is showing.
Always the families pissing him off.....
And 12
Also a bit of 11
Now I'm just thinking about Rogue having to suffer for a long time too 😭💔
Jack and Rogue have completely different personalities and relationships with the Doctor. Rogue by Kate Heron's (co writer's) own words is "introverted". He's not flirty, he's actually quite standoffish and mostly just trying to get on with his job. The Doctor peals back his walls as the episode goes on and we find his vulnerable side and his geeky side and romantic heart. They are very different people.
0:34 Among all the Doctor's heads was Richard E Grant, who appeared as the embodiment of The Great Intelligence in two Matt Smith episodes. Does this make Scream of the Shalka canon?
The only thing I wish they did was still have someone scream during the scene Ruby got "killed" as then it makes the scene from earlier make no sense.
It still baffles me how people are saying 2/8 episodes being doctor-lite... makes this a doctor-lite season. "Why arent they using him more" only episode 4 doesn't use him. Even episode 5 which is doctor lite has the big ending, and frequent scenes. And episode 3 is a big performance even on the landmine.
i wish the season was much more then 8 episodes.
I'm getting so tired of doctor-lite episodes.
I love how people keep coming on here to complain about Doctor Who being "woke" and "isn't for kids anymore", as if the Blind Wave crew have any say in its current direction.
EDIT: I should probably clarify, I'm perfectly A-OK with the more inclusive direction the show is taking. I'm poking fun at the people who are complaining about it, because it's fun.
And as if that has ever been any different
I know. Perish the thought that kids find out there are {GASP} Black people or {GASP} gay people.....
Won't someone think of the children?!?!?
Yeah, its not like Doctor Who had bisexual and transsexual characters in 2005 series...
Am I the only one that got 1985 Prince or Morris Day vibes from The Doctor's look and vibe in this episode? I'm not in the LGBTQ community, but I absolutely Loved this episode. Very "classic" Doctor Who type episode but with modern adjustments. For all those who might complain about him enamored with a guy, did they have an issue with Rose? With the Woman in the Fireplace? The woman when the Doctor's psyche was kept in the pocket watch when he battled with The Family? How about that he has a Granddaughter dating all the way back to the First Doctor? If they didn't have issues with those women, then their issue is that it's a guy, and as we've seen The Doctor is non-binary and can regenerate into male, female, or something undefined. Rogue is like the Jack Harkness for this Doctor, at least in terms of "vibes," and I hope that he returns. Wouldn't mind seeing him as a Companion or perhaps The Companion for Ncuti's final season for example. Very interesting character. The "bad guys" are ok, but beyond this one episode I'm not sure if we need to see them again. But yeah, this episode is a 10/10 from me.
Surprised they never picked up there was an extra doctor in that hologram thst hasn't been seen live yet haha
The prevailing theory in the fandom (Potential spoilers? But it is just speculation) is that Rogue is ‘The One Who Waits’. It’s 1813 and he gets sent to a pocket dimension, asking the Doctor to find him. He then spends the next couple of centuries waiting, and presumably growing resentful that he was never rescued or even searched for…
This is also one of my theories! Plus he PLAYS D&D! Who knows maybe Toymaker played D&D with him and lost? Once I saw RPG session and it seemed super complicated. Maybe Toymaker wasn't nerd enough to win heh
I hope not! That would be really horrible. I want the Doctor to have something nice for a change.
@@vashsunglasses I agree, I love Jonathan Groff and I love them together and I want Rogue to be new River Song. But there is no denying that he will be WAITING for the Doctor at least for now.
I actually loved how they handled the doctor having romantic inclinations here, because Rogue is actually pretty much his equal. River... felt like his equal but her entire life revolved around him. Rogue is actually someone the doctor can have a normal meet cute with, aside from lifespan theyre basically on the same level.
This episode was fun! I loved the costumes and the romantic subplot, the music, etc. We needed a breather after the past couple episodes.
Double-fakeout of Ruby's end. There's always a twist at the end.
Speculation: the one that Rogue 'lost' was Captain Jack Harkness...
If this is how we wrap up Jack's missing memories, that would be interesting.
I really like Rogue. It’s nice to have a fun episode again after the two rather heavy ones previously. I know there are many times when we’ve seen one-off characters that said they’d return but it really feels like we’ll see Rogue again. And I really like the chemistry that Ncuti and Jonathan Groff have. It took me a rewatch to buy their romance. Whenever he’s fallen in love, it’s always been either with a companion or with a one-off character reluctantly. It's never so quick and so obvious. It took him forever to admit his feelings to Rose, River, and Yaz. That being said, I liked the chulders and that they just ended up maliciously playing. I love the _Caberet_ reference they make. I never believed for a second that Ruby was dead… again. At the rate she’s going, she’ll beat Rory’s record for deaths. And it was really funny in a really meta way to hear Kylie Minogue’s “Can’t Get You Out of My Head”. I almost wanted the Doctor to reference Astrid as a character directly.
He plays DnD but didnt get Cosplay? Idk ive sustained suspension of disbelief of alot of Doctor Who things from Psychic Paper to Fart Terrorist aliens but this might be my line to draw Lol
Fart Terrorist Alien is my FAVORITE Ska band.
Tbh when I watched it I just assumed that DnD was his dead/missing partner's thing- he's not very good at roleplaying or acting as you can see through the episode, so it made the most sense to me.
@@xryptiid Was kinda my assumption too but then i couldn't type Fart Aliens so it was a real catch 22. Loved the episode to be honest sarcasm just lives and dies typed lol
Also it's more larping than cosplay. Smh. Realism failed. Disappoint.
@@xryptiid That's actually a really sweet idea!!
I'd have been very upset if Rogue had sent Ruby to the hell dimension. I was very angry with Captain Jack when he sacrificed his own grandchild to save the earth in Children of Earth.
I saw a theory that Rogue is the one who waits. I can't decide if I want it to be him or Rory more
Why would humanoid-lifeform Rogue be 'something so vastly......other......that even the player of games saw it and ran'?
why rory?
@@BARALover96 he was known as the one who waits
@@joseph.westbury 'The lone centurion', for sure.
He isn't "the thing that even the cosmic power, trickster god" fled from.
Loved your reaction as always❤. You should watch society of the snow. It's a great movie and I would love to hear what you have to say about that one. If you do watch it I recommend the original language with subtitles, the acting was amazing
On the point of them filming ncuti on a screen- he didnt even need to remember the lines as he had a teleprompter. So they made it super easy for ncuti to film the last episode. I reccomend watching doctor who unleashed which is a BTS show for each episode. It probably isnt available in the us on disney+ but A VPN AND AN IPLAYER ACCOUNT IS FAIRLY EASY 😅
'vpn and a fake account'
Or........wait and then support the creators financially when it then _does_ become available.
@@Tao_Tology It most likely will not be available world wide as its not apart of the disney + deal. Unleashed is a BBC product made for the BBC Three terrestrial channel. Just like tales of the tardis and the doctor who classic series is not on disney +.
@@Nermian * cough *
Dvd and Blueray
@@Tao_Tology *cough* out in 2028 by that time series 3 will probably be releasing
@@Nermian Nah the Beeb put out the series DVDs pretty fast.
And, 'I can't watch it.........yet' isn't "it won't be available".
I loved this episode so much I can’t believe this season is almost over!
25:33 Guys, you have to watch all the behind the scenes
Sadly a huge chunk of the BTS content with unleashed isn’t available outside the uk otherwise I’d really wish they watch it
Nicely written by Kate Herron who directed the first season of Loki, and Briony Redman
2021 - RTD criticises Disney's Loki for poor bi rep
2022 - Kate Herron, producer on Loki and Who fan, defends efforts and blames Disney
2023 - RTD gets Kate to write a DW episode
2024 - Kate makes THE Doctor bi, which streams globally on Disney
💖💜💙
As soon as they started chatting about travelling together forever I was like “oh no what’s gonna happen to you by the end of this episode”
Can you please fix the playlist for Doctor who (2023)
Rouge is Han Solo and his ship is literally the The Falcon !😂
"I know the word OK." Love it! Lol.
I wouldn’t say this has been a doctor lite season I think it only feels like that cause we had 2 doctor lite episodes in a row, even though I felt he was way more in dot and bubble then 73 yards
There was no way Ruby would die, no matter the "rules" :) Chekov's Gun saw to that. There was no reason to include the "battle mode" banter at the top of the show if it wasn't relevant to the plot.
The Duchess (Indira Varma) voiced Lady Allura in The Legend of Vox Machina!
My friend told me this would be my favourite becuase it was gay with bird people and she was very correct
11:34 "....from the lost and fallen planet of Gallifrey"
So the Master wasn't lying, then.
😞
I honestly got more Joel McHale vibes from Rogue than I did John Barrowman - but then, I get Joel McHale vibes all the time lol
Oh man I’m so excited to watch this with y’all. This episode was pure magic 😍❤️