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What I Learned After 3 Months in a ZEN MONASTERY w/ Alex Frank
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- Опубликовано: 15 авг 2024
- This clip was taken from a recent livestream with Alex Frank. Watch the full interview here: • Is Yoga Evil? w/ (Form...
In this clip, Alex reflects on his time at a Zen Monastery and remembers some of the quirky aspects of yoga, zen and Buddhism.
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I’m in RCIA and converting to Catholicism, but previously practiced sects of Buddhism before I was finally called to the church at 40 years old. My understanding of why zen practitioners do yoga is the stretching/positions help prepare the body to sit in zazen meditation for long periods of time. It is as simple as that.
Hmm makes a lot of sense. Welcome home brother!!!
Your understanding is completely wrong. There is no Hatha Yoga in Zen.
All Roman Catholics are required to believe in the doctrine of the Immaculate Conception (Mary was conceived without Original Sin) as well as the Assumption, as Pope Pius declated it to be ex cathedra.
And why ?!
Tldr? Luke 11.25 ~ Matthew 12.44
I taught advanced meditation, & personally, l thought l was referencing cold hard, neuroscience (agnostic), and had the best career of my life. BUT, Buddhists Bonists Sufis Theosophists, Gardnerians Noo Agers, and sundry occultists et al were perpetually trying to absorb me and my class, evidently my class came up more than once in a Regional Buddhist Council meeting (who knew revenue rivals had those sit downs, eyeopening) l'm a nobody, so why? The burning question was, "what was my angle? And who was l really working for?" (There is nothing like NOT having a racket to perplex and trigger seasoned racketeers to dig deeper) FREE lunchtime classes to help launch a community cafe caused a ripple in the force, evidently.😂
Very grateful for that truly surreal year. Glad I'm no longer yoked to "not God" in its many faceted and pick n mix forms, glad l was led out and led thru, the "show not tell” You can't argue with 1st hand experience with people you formerly put on a pedestal
. But ...But ...l was just trying to help! 😂
I am so happy that I found "Pints" Your straight forward news in approaching all matters Catholic reaffirms my faith and strengthens my resolve.
Mr. Frank went to a Zen Buddhist monastery, saw things that represented Japanese culture, heard chants sang in Japanese, and felt weird. Of course, there's a deep aspect of culture shock there, what was he expecting? I am Catholic, from the East. I have learned much from Zen and Taoism, one of which is not to be judgmental. It's very sad to know that many Catholics judge other religions OUTRIGHT as demonic. My spiritual father, the Trappist monk Fr Basil Pennington, used to tell stories about his visits to Buddhist monasteries. He said the Buddhist monks shared their knowledge of Buddha with him and he in turn introduced Jesus to them. Sharing the faith, in the spirit of ecumenism. No labeling, no judging. I learned from the monks that the whole spiritual journey is a huge mystery because God is beyond our capacity to fully comprehend. Sadly, it seems many Catholics feel they know who is good and who is bad.
I know very little and my life is limited, but I have yet to encounter Buddhists and Taoists who consider Christianity demonic. But in You Tube, I have heard Christians labeling people, things, cultures and other religions as demonic. Yet, Jesus himself refused to stone and label another human being.
I am just sharing my feelings here. I am not saying I am right. In the spirit of Christianity, let's not throw stones at each other. Please
Truth by it's nature is exclusive and exclusionary. Either you believe the truth or you believe a lie. "You cannot serve two masters". There is only one path to God, which he revealed through his Son.
Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.
Actually, demons are involved. Any where false-gods are, there are demons disguised as deity's. It doesn't mean the people are bad willed. But it does mean they could get possessed.
@@cartoontalk4568 Stop taking this bible verse out of context. In the case of the "you cannot serve two masters" verse Jesus is clearly talking about the distinction between the spiritual and the material, God and the Mammon, who is the personification of money, the attainment of wealth. You can't just apply bible verses to situations without any consideration of the context
@@jcivilis533 excellent point! Often times Catholics focus excessively on supernatural theology and neglect to mention Christ's teaching on worldly matters such as the injunction to avoid the excesses of wealth.
When Jesus discusses the end of days and the separation of sheep of goats he talks about who fed the hungry, gave drink to the thirsty, clothed the naked, etc. Yes, specific theological points define Catholicism, but they do not determine one's character. Too much fussing over the supernatural can be a waste of time because none of it can be proven or disproven scientifically. We just take them on faith. So let's focus on good works and hope in God's mercy.
Catholics, I have to ask this: if there was a Buddhist channel interviewing someone who claimed to have spent time at a Catholic monastery and he said "yeah, I was a devote Catholic and I took the magic wafer, you know, they called it magic, and I also told my personal secrets to a priest for some cleansing ritual, and there were all these pictures of Satans on the wall." What would you think of such a statement? Would you think this was a genuine testimony or would you question his understanding of his own alleged former religion and if whatever monastery he was in could even be called Catholic?
I practiced Soto Zen for ten years, then Chan (Chinese Zen) for two before finally going for refuge under a Tibetan Rinpoche (Rinpoche means "precious one." I was basically "baptized" into Buddha Dharma by the equivalent of a Bishop) I'm listening to this man talk the same way you Catholics would listening to an alleged ex-Catholic calling the Eucharist "magic wafers" and not understanding even the basics of Catholicism.
This man has absolutely no understanding of Buddha Dharma whatsoever. There is no "yoga" in any Chan/Zen/Thien/Seon tradition. Wherever he went to was some hippy commune and not a legit monastery. Also, there is only one Mara in Buddha Dharma and that's basically the devil in our path (but he's more of a metaphor than a real entity)
As for the origin of the Tathagata (Lord Buddha) he was *NEVER* a Yogi. He joined a group of ascetics who would later be called Jains. Then he realized the need for a Middle Way and he manifested his first miracle as an adult and meditated under the Bodhi Tree and transcending all suffering and realized absolute, perfect Enlightenment. Soon after he began to teach the Dharma for the benefit of all sentient beings.
Oh, and what he describes as "higher awareness is all it is" and other such nonsense sounds like a stoned hippy misunderstanding Zen/Chan/Seon/Thien.
If Matt wants to talk to a real Buddhist he should reach out to his fellow Aussie Ajahn Brahm. He's on youtube on the very popular channel "Buddhist Society of Western Australia." He's Therevadan and he knows his stuff. For a Mahayana/Tibetan understanding, look up his eminence Avikrita Vajra Rinpoche.
Not Catholic, but that account you heard is clearly from someone who has no understanding of even basic Christianity, and Catholic monasteries to my knowledge don't have icons or many paintings, if any in them, and rarely are demons depicted.
@@Uthwita the account given by [rum runner] was not real, it was a fictional example given to point out that the account given of Buddhism was as preposterous, if taken as fact, as the example.
To be fair, it seemed like they were about to discuss the idiosyncrasies of the particular monastery he went to before the video ended. Maybe they acknowledge what you're saying in the full interview. Regardless, Buddhism is a dangerous religion, on account of its indifference to the eternal God, its acceptance of reincarnation, and its teaching that salvation is achieved by one's own efforts rather than unearned grace.
@@Uthwita What about Scared art or Gothic Churches? They are full of depictions of Devils and Gargoyles
Could not agree more, I'm Catholic but studied and practiced Buddhism for years before returning to the fold. That interview was extremely superficial. Buddhism is not the full truth ( The Catholic church is ) but it should be given serious respect and not dismissed in such a trival way. I would say it lays very strong foundations of use to someone coming from that culture into Christianity. It has been a force for good in the world. If stoicism was a world faith we would not dismiss it as a waste of time but rather a useful tool to dig to the true treasure of Christ as Buddhism can be. Yes Ajahn Chan would be a great example and conversation. Aussie based Monk/ Abbott
I spent 6 years in a Zen monastery before I turned Christian. The one thing Zen cannot provide - I found - is a deeply moral awareness and obligation the way you experience in the presence of God.
It's all God, m8. Find your own awe
"Judging" by your name alone, I suspect there may be some bias going on here.
@@storagewizard6232 the name I gave to myself after the fact
Not true.
This is not quite correct. This person is all over the place. "Mara, " in Buddhism, is the "evil one," who tempted Shakyamuni while he meditated under the Bodhi Tree. Zen Buddhism was brought to Japan from China,where it is known as Ch'an. In Japan, it took on characteristics uniquely Japanese. However, Japanese Buddhism remained strictly sectarian, and did not merge schools, as was the experience in China, where the Pure Land School,( the most popular form of Chinese Buddhism),merged with Ch'an practice. Americans first became more aware of Buddhism after the Second World War, with exposure to Japanese Buddhism in Japan. Buddha is not a name, but a title. It means, Enlightened One. Buddhism teaches that there have been many Buddhas, and believe there will be many more. As for yogic practices, it depends on what school of Buddhism one practices. In the Esoteric School, there are indeed Tantric methods which involve yoga. But this is not a form.of Buddhism that is widely practiced. Nor is Zen, for that matter. Most of the world's Buddhists practice chanting. One last thing is concerning the concept of "emptiness," which is greatly misunderstood by many. It does not mean void in the sense that nothing is there. Quite the opposite. In Buddhism, " shunyata," emptiness or void is where all creative forces spring from. As Catholics we're taught that God created heaven and earth and all living things out of nothing. Its extremely important for Catholics to not only be well versed in their Faith, but to comprehend and understand other belief systems if they are to bring unbelievers into the Fold. Before I returned to the traditional Catholic Faith, I practiced different schools of Buddism, and became well acquainted with the teachings and the life of Shakyamuni. This gentleman brings up some valid points, but is way off the mark on others.
Soha! I practiced Soto Zen before I got into Tibetan Buddhism (Sakya School) and this guy sounds like he spent 3 months at a hippy stoner commune, not an actual Zen monastery. I would ask him what lineage it was under, but he's probably never heard that word.
Very helpful explanation. Thanks.
Helpful.
Thanks for the clarification on that. I was wondering
Excellent points, thank you for that.
My Buddhism experience includes Zen training. I could go on all day, but the simplest way to wrap ones head around it is to imagine the difference between Buddhism and Christianity as two ladders. One where you must climb towards God and the other where God descends to you.
The form of Zen l'm familiar with uses paradoxing, (koans) and endless tedium to "free one from the wheel of suffering", soul suicide.
l personally only started interrogating the neuroscience of meditation when l had spontaneous, cessation of thought thru unconnected extreme exhaustion and debilitation, and yes it was identical.
If you are brought up a pampered Prince (Siddhartha) the wilfulness, and need for control is going to be off the charts, anorexia/ menticide give that illusion of control, when you're a self regulating automaton, you're in your final form. (Via "the no! stage" stuck in developmental arrest) We must learn our limits and our potentials from undergoing unavoidable suffering and avoiding the gratifications of masochism. Confront the terrifying ego shock of limits to ones agency outside the magical thinking, charmed circle (The little prince's childhood paradisiacal palace/prison).
Tldr? Zen Lesson 1, Zen has no God. 😁
@@EduardoRodriguez-du2vd I'm glad you're familiar with double binds, cognitive dissonance and paradox etc, it allows you to have for more advanced discussion with say a neuroscientist or advanced practitioners without falling into the trap of acontextual abstractions and non specific generalisations, or subjective ruminations, and really engage with every point brought up, or, focus on one and debate it or expand upon it
Far too much of mystical writing is acontextual and subjective don't you find. And of course in the field of Neuroscience we are only actually recording on the surface of the brain and within the material realm.
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"All the families on earth will be blessed through you"
Genesis 12:3b
@@aclark903 Yes the Mysterium tremendum should not be an excuse for gnostic self mystification, the Good Book is both a route map, and a covenant, and more.
Big ask: are there transcripts available of all the Pints shows? If people are abstaining from videos during Exodus 90, it might be nice to read what these guests might have to say rather than watch. Just a thought!
Good idea!
Thank you!
I would rather listen to a practicing Buddhist, preferably someone who's practices most of his adult life. I've always learned the most about other philosophies and religions from informed, convinced, but non-adversarial believers.
This is the sound of the other hand clapping.
@@CScott-wh5yk Slow hand clap? It takes 2 to Zen hand clap, the road to hell resounds with thunderous applause 😂
I highly recommend listening to Ajahn Sumedho. He was born in 1934 and is one of the first American monks to train under the Thai forest tradition under Ajahn Chah. He has a lot of videos on RUclips.
@@SaintNektarios Thanks for the lead.
@@SaintNektarios lmho Ajahn Brahm is the most relatable, and alive, especially when he talks about the giant mosquitoes and forest retreats. 😂
If l was on that team bus ( Aussie Buddhism) l'd definitely bagsey a seat next to him.
His timeline for the life of Buddha is off by about 2,000 years. We're talking ~500 B.C., not 2,500 B.C. That's a big difference to anyone familiar with ancient history. It also makes the Buddha roughly contemporaneous with the Old Testament prophets and the Babylonian captivity, which is interesting.
It must have been a particular sect of zen buddhism, I was aware of the Soto (passive) and Rinzai (active) schools, but they both tend to focus more on silencing the mental dialogue so the person may come closer to their inner buddah and reach satori, they warn agains makyo which is sort of the mind trying to trick you into abandoning this path and there is little to no mention of deities or spiritual beings. By the way, I repented of all these thing and converted to orthodox christianity a few years ago.
One rosary is worth more than a lifetime of doing yoga or zen.
Give it rest with your spiritual ignorance.
He doesn’t understand Zen so not a good guest to discuss the subject. Like getting a Doctor on to talk about gardening
Perhaps we should adjust our expectations. With all due respect to Matt's work, I think he only interviews Catholics and PwA reinforces magisterial teachings of traditional Catholicism. The (perhaps) unintentional consequence of this is that other beliefs are misrepresented or assessed in a biased way (strawman fallacy). PwA is a good way to understand Catholicism in a vaccuum, but not the best way to compare it with accurate representations of other worldviews.
@@AntonAchondoa I'm rather late, but you brought up an excellent point. It's hard to understand why one would make a show about, let's say, gardening, and then invite somebody who has only had one single potted plant all his life, which he even killed.
This channel spends almost all its time rationalizing and explaining away the weird and grotesque aspects of Catholicism, and then, as a side dish, trying to discredit other belief systems by inviting biased guests who have barely scratched the surface of that belief system.
Ironically, Buddhism does have quite a lot of interesting things to say about why one would do the above - so this behavioural pattern is nothing new.
Thank you for this talk. My dad did this before yoga, meditation, buddism and thats when my family started to fall apart.
Thanks!
i felt like the man had a lot more to say, and had just got started when the video was over
Alex Frank opened my mind! thanks to Pints With Aquinas for this great conversation!
Isn't Zen practice from Japan? So why is it strange if Zen practices borrow heavily from Japanese culture.
Catholicism borrows from lots of cultures and have "mysterious" rituals too.
Actually, according to Wikipedia Zen Buddhism originated in China during the Tang Dynasty. It did spread south to Vietnam and China. But it also spread east to Japan. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zen
@@milesdeimichael39 chan is Chinese
@@alexbabichuk2237 I’m just kind of going by the first few sentences on Wikipedia. I’m by far, no expert.
@@milesdeimichael39 oh lol
@@alexbabichuk2237 In fact, that’s exactly what I said. “Actually, according to Wikipedia. . .”
Thanks for this!! I would love to understand more about Buddhism and engaging from it from a catholic perspective.
Engaging in any other faith as a Catholic is mortal sin
@@mattberg916 not really
I am an evangelical Christian who is half-Japanese. It seems to me that according to Colossians 2 everything we need is to be found in Christ. We do not need to go outside of Christianity to find spiritual fulfillment.
@@alexbabichuk2237 how so? I am the Lord your God, thou shalt not have strange gods before Me. Is that somehow vague to you?
@Super Mario well, yes that is drastically different and what we are called to do
To be Open to Everything is asking for Trouble, Big Time. Sincere Search for Truth will lead to He Who Is The Truth.
Frankly, this guy just really doesn't understand Zen, or Buddhism for that matter. He could have gone deeper into these questions and gained understanding of he brought them up in Daisan or Mondo. His dive was clearly not very deep.
Absolutely!
3 months is nothing!!! Hell even 3 years is nothing to solidify a practice!!! This guy speaks like he spent 30 years in zen monastery 😂😂
What you can learn in 3 months tho…
Not understanding is the point.
This guy is lying about zen.
Zen originates in Japan bros, if I remember correctly lul
You are entirely incorrect. Zen is the Japanization of Chan, which is Chinese for Dhayana, which means "meditation." It started with Lord Buddha in ancient India. It was transferred in its modern form in China by the Indian master Bodhidharma at Shaolin monastery.
@@rumrunner8019 gg mate on the specifics. Took a world religions course last semester and I was like "Wait a sec" lol. Well played m8
Yup, it's incomplete, outside the One True Church, that is our amazing Catholic Church, are incomplete number of truths for they're just founded by mere men.
God bless, Revelation 21:4
You didn't learn that Jesus is the son of God and theirs no salvation outside the Catholic Church and that the spirit they have is of the Anti Christ