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Of all the videos of yours I've watch, I think I've learned the most from this one. I'm mid teens kyu. Seeing you explain another kyu player's mistakes seemed to help things sink in.
The Mario suit is "tanuki", not "tenuki". A tanuki is a type of animal, sometimes called a "raccoon dog". Despite their name and appearance, they are more closely related to foxes than raccoons. (Tom Nook from Animal Crossing is a tanuki, btw.)
I've watched a lot of your videos and learned a lot but this was by far my favorite. Not only was it truly hilarious ("Why...why is my opponent making me kill them?") but also really informative and has some great info. I'm a new player but have been playing 19x19 for a little while now, and I still learned a lot from this video. Keep it up!
Hey Nick, thanks so much for these video's! I have just started to learn Go, and though most of your video's are (as you mentioned) a bit over my head, they do make me more and more fascinated by the game.
Not sure if you see these comments nick but I love this video! Would love to see more simple playing out full games with simple commentary, especially at these kind of kyu levels it's amazingly helpful!
Was the person who played "ternamja" on stream actually you? Tygem 6dan, nicksib? That was a cool coincidence if so - I'd love to watch you play more streamers.
It was only after watching the 4th or 5th vid of yours that I clued in that you weren't saying tanuki. In all those cases it was being said in context of black jumping elsewhere so I just assumed it was a raccoon eye move of some sort.
There are a few old professionals that are good to study in this regard. You want to know how to open? Legend 88, Go Seigen, and Honinbo Shusaku -- freaking textbook openings, and fairly easy to understand if you study them just a little. Dwyrin's Legend 88 series goes over a professional who played textbook basics in all his games. If you want to know the correct ideas on a basic level (at least for the opening), I'd be looking at some of those.
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Your playing is very odd. It feels like you're alternating between TDK and shodan/low SDK continuations, and that is why you end up killing everything : you force yourself into positions where your only way out is killing. One great example is the tenuki after the crosscut at E10. To me (about 2-3 stones stronger than your opp), without reading, your move says "I want to connect my stones", and when he splits, your crosscut says "Well, I can connect either way". Why ? Because after the cross cut, there is miai between killing the two cutting stones. So, the most simple answer to B extending is not "I won't kill you now with this super strong move, so I tenuki and tells you that I can still connect, I don't care about B's response", but "Okay, you chose one side, fine by me, I will connect the other way and kill the other cutting stone with G8". But because you let yourself getting disconnected, your only continuation possible is to kill everything. Same after B's A6. He found a tesuji that might help him live. But you don't fall for it, so you connect and say that you saw his play and now, black's group is dead. But after killing it, suiciding to resurect the stones you just killed seems very rude to me (and makes you having to kill the other group so that your group don't die...). I know this is harsh criticism, I really like some of your videos, but this one seems to completely miss the point in my opinion. Apart for the 3rd/4th line discussion, "answer to attachments" and extend after crosscuts, there is not really much about the 19x19 board for super beginners. No corner->side->center (which is super easy to have an intuition as to where to play first), and you got approached twice, you could have mentioned something about the enclosures/extensions (when I started playing 19x19, this was one of the thing that helped me the more as how to place stone, even if I started understanding only later the subtelties around them). I know you teach Kyus, but to me, watching this suggests that you know nothing about Kyu level playing.
@@WOok2a i'm a double digit kyu (OGS says 14, i say 18) and that all made sense to me after watching and i didnt even have to look at the board to remember the mentioned plays. And I agree with piwh, if this video was meant for people going from 9x9 or 13x13 to move to 19x19, he really should have mentioned a little bit more about why you want to go corners, sides, then middle, or maybe just why its okay to let your opponent live small in the corner if you get a wall outwards... It seems Nick *wanted* to do this but kind of got sidetracked into just trying to play kyu game
@Piwh I hear you saying that there was a disconnect between what Nick said the video was going to be about (introducing 19x19 ideas) and what the video was actually about (what it is like to play ddk games). I agree with you. I was thinking maybe doing post-game commentary could help? That way he could skip over the complicated fighting and "stick to the script" so to speak. What would you think of that?
@@Arcticp75 Yep, I think your proposition could work : being able to just go over the few things you want to focus on, and ignore all the things that just add confusion around might be a good idea for this kind of videos. And, again, having in mind the key points you want to share with your audience, like 3rd-4th line ; corner>side>center ; enclosure/approaches/extensions.
So I’m a beginner, and I sort of have a set, but it’s so small the stones are about as small as M&Ms. I want a good set but I’m not made of money and I’m still not an adult. So what’s a good set that’s somewhat cheap? I don’t mind if the board is a roll up one.
If you search "go stones" or "go board" on amazon you'll find lots of cheap sets in the $30-$50 range. Vinyl/silicone boards are a great starter board, usually $20 or less. And melamine stones are a good plastic starter stone that still feels somewhat like a stone, usually also in the $20-$30 range. Unfortunately, Yellow Mountain Imports, usually the go-to place to find good cheap equipment, is out of stock on lots of things probably because of the cv situation. So you may have to do some more looking around. Good luck!
Help! I am playing go like checkers and want to stop! lol. I am a rank beginner, and have started to try some games on OGS, it ranked me as 25k and I keep playing games against opponents that want to do nothing but atari single stones every move. I know from your videos that this is bad go, and want to break out of these small fights and play nice global moves I have learned from your videos, but can't seam to figure out how to do it. Help!!! lol. Any how, I love your go content and have learned a lot from it, thanks so much for all you do, and all the best!
As a low rank player myself, I can relate to this. I like to watch games on OGS as well as play them. I have been looking at a game, thinking to myself 'take him!' and it is not until the end game I realize those atari-ed stones are dead anyway, so why waste a stone in capturing it? The big picture, to use a cliche, is what I am still blind to in Go. I end up playing 4 small games on the 19x19 board instead of playing one big game, I'm sure you know what I mean.
Usually really like your videos. But this "let's have an intendedly bad move to keep the overtasked opponent from resigning right now"-thingy here is a bit undignified.
It's tough. In a teaching game you kind of do play "bad moves" on purpose to keep the player from resigning. Really you want to play just above their level so that they begin to see their own mistakes. We amateurs can get stuck making bad plays by playing other players who make similar bad plays. But your point is valid in that, if I were Black in this game and stumbled on this video, some of Nick's comments would sound a bit harsh at times. Then again (again), we kyus exist to be the brunt of jokes.
@@noahollington9946 That doesn't work because you should be showing them the entire game. From start to end. Having a teaching game where you just try to win would make them a VERY bad teacher. Play moves that allow the person to learn. That's how you do games like these,
Thanks for the DDK love. It's nice to see things more on my level. I appreciate the backing off when you see the kills we don't yet see.
Of all the videos of yours I've watch, I think I've learned the most from this one. I'm mid teens kyu. Seeing you explain another kyu player's mistakes seemed to help things sink in.
this is so condescending and educational at the same time i love it
The Mario suit is "tanuki", not "tenuki". A tanuki is a type of animal, sometimes called a "raccoon dog". Despite their name and appearance, they are more closely related to foxes than raccoons. (Tom Nook from Animal Crossing is a tanuki, btw.)
I've watched a lot of your videos and learned a lot but this was by far my favorite. Not only was it truly hilarious ("Why...why is my opponent making me kill them?") but also really informative and has some great info. I'm a new player but have been playing 19x19 for a little while now, and I still learned a lot from this video. Keep it up!
Hey Nick, thanks so much for these video's! I have just started to learn Go, and though most of your video's are (as you mentioned) a bit over my head, they do make me more and more fascinated by the game.
Damn nick i remember you kicking my ass every time on Othello in the library during 8th grade. I think the longest game was 5 minutes.
Tanuki = raccoon
Tenuki = the play somewhere else move in go :)
Off I go to play my first 19 x 19 thanks to your encouragement :)
"And my opponent should play riiiiiiiight here." -doesn't play right here- "...Ok."
Not sure if you see these comments nick but I love this video! Would love to see more simple playing out full games with simple commentary, especially at these kind of kyu levels it's amazingly helpful!
"kyu games are weird.." hahahahahaha
Was the person who played "ternamja" on stream actually you? Tygem 6dan, nicksib? That was a cool coincidence if so - I'd love to watch you play more streamers.
Yep! I'll review our game with a robot over the weekend and maybe make a video!
Raccoon is “tanuki”
yup
手抜き tenuki (hand + ignore): "ignoring" your opponents local play to go play (same word as "hand" in japanese) somewhere else
たぬき tanuki: raccoon
It was only after watching the 4th or 5th vid of yours that I clued in that you weren't saying tanuki. In all those cases it was being said in context of black jumping elsewhere so I just assumed it was a raccoon eye move of some sort.
There are a few old professionals that are good to study in this regard.
You want to know how to open? Legend 88, Go Seigen, and Honinbo Shusaku -- freaking textbook openings, and fairly easy to understand if you study them just a little.
Dwyrin's Legend 88 series goes over a professional who played textbook basics in all his games. If you want to know the correct ideas on a basic level (at least for the opening), I'd be looking at some of those.
I noticed your little Adblock Plus icon on the top menu, and I thought I should tell you that since a few years ago most everyone in the tech community moved over to the open-source alternative uBlock Origin (based on the same code, but added new stuff), since Adblock Plus started selling user data to.... ad companies
If you're struggling with he/she, have you tried "they" yet? I have grown to love it as a neutral pronoun over the last years.
(And I definitely did start from a position of it feeling weird to say.)
This is a cat playing with a mouse before he eats
Watching some of these moves makes me feel really bad as an 11k on OGS lol
It's so funny that you call them weed whackers. In Australia we're much less silly: we call them whipper-snippers.
Does "silly" mean the same thing in Australia?
If memory serves, the Japanese for raccoon is "Tanooki". So it is pronounced almost the same but it isnt the same word
たぬき (tanuki), but it *is* spelled "tanooki" in Mario, which Nick brought up
How come none of the 11 kyus I face play like this?
Your playing is very odd. It feels like you're alternating between TDK and shodan/low SDK continuations, and that is why you end up killing everything : you force yourself into positions where your only way out is killing.
One great example is the tenuki after the crosscut at E10. To me (about 2-3 stones stronger than your opp), without reading, your move says "I want to connect my stones", and when he splits, your crosscut says "Well, I can connect either way". Why ? Because after the cross cut, there is miai between killing the two cutting stones. So, the most simple answer to B extending is not "I won't kill you now with this super strong move, so I tenuki and tells you that I can still connect, I don't care about B's response", but "Okay, you chose one side, fine by me, I will connect the other way and kill the other cutting stone with G8".
But because you let yourself getting disconnected, your only continuation possible is to kill everything.
Same after B's A6. He found a tesuji that might help him live. But you don't fall for it, so you connect and say that you saw his play and now, black's group is dead. But after killing it, suiciding to resurect the stones you just killed seems very rude to me (and makes you having to kill the other group so that your group don't die...).
I know this is harsh criticism, I really like some of your videos, but this one seems to completely miss the point in my opinion. Apart for the 3rd/4th line discussion, "answer to attachments" and extend after crosscuts, there is not really much about the 19x19 board for super beginners.
No corner->side->center (which is super easy to have an intuition as to where to play first), and you got approached twice, you could have mentioned something about the enclosures/extensions (when I started playing 19x19, this was one of the thing that helped me the more as how to place stone, even if I started understanding only later the subtelties around them).
I know you teach Kyus, but to me, watching this suggests that you know nothing about Kyu level playing.
You can't possibly expect anyone to read all that... much less read while looking up the scenario you're pointing out
@@WOok2a i'm a double digit kyu (OGS says 14, i say 18) and that all made sense to me after watching and i didnt even have to look at the board to remember the mentioned plays. And I agree with piwh, if this video was meant for people going from 9x9 or 13x13 to move to 19x19, he really should have mentioned a little bit more about why you want to go corners, sides, then middle, or maybe just why its okay to let your opponent live small in the corner if you get a wall outwards... It seems Nick *wanted* to do this but kind of got sidetracked into just trying to play kyu game
@Piwh I hear you saying that there was a disconnect between what Nick said the video was going to be about (introducing 19x19 ideas) and what the video was actually about (what it is like to play ddk games). I agree with you. I was thinking maybe doing post-game commentary could help? That way he could skip over the complicated fighting and "stick to the script" so to speak. What would you think of that?
@@WOok2a Read it all.
@@Arcticp75 Yep, I think your proposition could work : being able to just go over the few things you want to focus on, and ignore all the things that just add confusion around might be a good idea for this kind of videos.
And, again, having in mind the key points you want to share with your audience, like 3rd-4th line ; corner>side>center ; enclosure/approaches/extensions.
So I’m a beginner, and I sort of have a set, but it’s so small the stones are about as small as M&Ms. I want a good set but I’m not made of money and I’m still not an adult. So what’s a good set that’s somewhat cheap? I don’t mind if the board is a roll up one.
If you search "go stones" or "go board" on amazon you'll find lots of cheap sets in the $30-$50 range. Vinyl/silicone boards are a great starter board, usually $20 or less. And melamine stones are a good plastic starter stone that still feels somewhat like a stone, usually also in the $20-$30 range.
Unfortunately, Yellow Mountain Imports, usually the go-to place to find good cheap equipment, is out of stock on lots of things probably because of the cv situation. So you may have to do some more looking around. Good luck!
Help! I am playing go like checkers and want to stop! lol. I am a rank beginner, and have started to try some games on OGS, it ranked me as 25k and I keep playing games against opponents that want to do nothing but atari single stones every move. I know from your videos that this is bad go, and want to break out of these small fights and play nice global moves I have learned from your videos, but can't seam to figure out how to do it. Help!!! lol.
Any how, I love your go content and have learned a lot from it, thanks so much for all you do, and all the best!
As a low rank player myself, I can relate to this. I like to watch games on OGS as well as play them. I have been looking at a game, thinking to myself 'take him!' and it is not until the end game I realize those atari-ed stones are dead anyway, so why waste a stone in capturing it?
The big picture, to use a cliche, is what I am still blind to in Go. I end up playing 4 small games on the 19x19 board instead of playing one big game, I'm sure you know what I mean.
32:30 (sorry)
Usually really like your videos. But this "let's have an intendedly bad move to keep the overtasked opponent from resigning right now"-thingy here is a bit undignified.
It's to help people get into 19x19 easier. Can't do that if they resign right away or get crushed at the very start.
@@evarchavex4800 I see your point, but thats when the 2 word phrase "new game" comes into play...
It's tough. In a teaching game you kind of do play "bad moves" on purpose to keep the player from resigning. Really you want to play just above their level so that they begin to see their own mistakes. We amateurs can get stuck making bad plays by playing other players who make similar bad plays. But your point is valid in that, if I were Black in this game and stumbled on this video, some of Nick's comments would sound a bit harsh at times. Then again (again), we kyus exist to be the brunt of jokes.
@@noahollington9946 That doesn't work because you should be showing them the entire game. From start to end. Having a teaching game where you just try to win would make them a VERY bad teacher. Play moves that allow the person to learn. That's how you do games like these,
Cursed
You failed at making bad moves!