I’m so sick of the “tech enthusiast” take on the iPad. The workflow isn’t for tech reviewers. I work in education and I’m a musician. The simplicity of the device is what makes the iPad so PERFECT in those situations. When reading charts or mixing music live, I need an OS that’s dead simple and works extremely well with touch input. Similarly, the simplicity of iPadOS lends itself well to elementary students and serves as an excellent basis for their learning experience. Luke, you were the worst talking about “macOS should be on the iPad”, which I disagreed with so much. Thanks for going back on this. When you treat the iPad like an iPad, it works phenomenally.
Right, but then why would I need something that costs nearly a thousand dollars with a laptop/desktop class CPU inside of it for elementary work, creative work or live music reading?
I agree, I was always rolling my eyes as Luke and Noah would go on and on about how the iPad OS needed to be more like MacOS. It's a fantastic tablet, not a laptop. The "tech enthusiasts" like Luke seems to only be concerned on whether it could edit video just like you could on a laptop.
My point being keep the $500 dollar iPad and scrap this awful habit Apple has of creating "Pro" iPad's and marketing them as creative beasts that everyone needs. The advertising for it was so pushy and bad for the latest Pro that Apple took it down and people got offended.
@@megatronskneecap I actually agree that the pro iPads are a waste of money. The 10th gen iPad is, now more than ever, an incredible value at $350. And it runs everything I need in my workflow and works well for students.
MAAAAAN I Love Apple stuff but some of you need to switch to decaf. There's no need to change the title the title was awesome. It's why I came here. It had Chutzpah. "Reinvent the iPad" is such a lame, diet coke, sad shadow of the awesome original Chads Only "Make the iPad Great Again"
The most quintessential problem with the iPad nowadays is, that it’s promoted like a PC, priced as a PC, but got the software of a toy and cut hardware (for example RAM) compared to it’s Mac siblings. Furthermore it’s becoming thinner and thinner instead of much needed and definitely possible battery improvement!
I think Apple needs to continue developing around the Apple Pencil. The goal of the iPad should be to replace paper/whiteboards/canvases. I use an iPad mini as my work notebook that syncs directly with OneNote to my work computer. I use it as a whiteboard for training my team over MS Teams calls. There’s so many uses for tech outside of “video editing”. It is glaring how many “tech reviewers” have never had a real job
What if they put those features into a laptop ... Then customize the software to enable their correct usage when needed. Why cripple the whole Operating System and create a whole category ... Using the exact same hardware.
Luke, do you even remember how we got here...? If you recall, it was the users crying and whining that the iPad of several years ago could have been used as a simple MacBook, not Apple. It was the users demanding a real keyboard and trackpad, not Apple. So Apple relented, and they made iPadOS with it, which everybody still seems to complain about. And now, you are seeing the device for what Apple always placed it as: a tablet for media consumption, and, with the Apple Pencil, a great creative device. I bought the OG iPad when it came out, convinced I was throwing away my money, and yet I read nine e-books on it during that summer holiday and was sold forever. To this day, my M2 iPad Pro is mostly used for media consumption, with some use of the Pencil to draw or write notes. When I travel, my MacBook Pro is mostly with me, but my iPad always is. So, I really believe this is a distortion created entirely by the public.
iPad Pro - possibly the best device ever made. My friends and I in art university breezed through our studies with it, using it for sketches, product design concepts, storyboard drawings, LIDAR for interior and architecture scans, and remote project drafts later exported to AutoCAD to finish the job. This product transformed my study partner, who didn't know how to draw, into someone who challenged herself to sketch out her visualizations instead of relying on the 3D software we typically use (3ds Max + V-Ray / Lumion / Archicad + Enscape). She achieved a 9 out of 10 and earned her interior design bachelor's degree alongside me. The experience using the iPad is fun, fluid and extremely entertaining. You want to use it every chance you get. But you also have to know what you want to do. For some, iPad is a movie machine, for others this a tool that can define their careers.
You nailed a key use issue for the pro series: understanding & creating a workflow for uses that the iPad is uniquely suited for. It’s a lot of investigating, research, trial & error to get to the point you’s got to-I’m still working on it 6 years later!
I’m curious if you think you’d be using it as thoroughly if you didn’t have instructions, instructors or a learning environment to help you explore and understand what was possible? I remember learning so many of the foundations for software in school, but it didn’t translate well into the workforce as well. It seems that shifting from full software to apps hasn’t had as much of an impact on raising the quality as much as bringing the access point down❓❔
@@ttopero Hmm, if I hadn't studied design, I think I would have passed on the iPad entirely. Outside of design tasks, I don't see it as a device I'd need. I'd just stick to my desktop and remain tethered to one spot. It's the environment that made me appreciate the iPad Pro. My whole class was full of ambitious people who inspired each other to explore new tools, and together decided to try the iPad Pro as one of them. It's challenging to start doing something you already know, but with a different approach. We are creatures of habit and comfort, and retraining our brains to do something familiar but differently is no easy feat. For example, I find it impossible to drive a car with a Japanese steering wheel layout. I can only drive with the European layout. It's the same function, but one element is placed differently, and it makes all the difference for me. (weird analogy, but it is what it is) Regarding full software versus apps - try not to view the iPad or similar tools as competitors to what you already do. Instead, see them as extensions. Explore what the iPad can offer and integrate those features into your existing workflow. For instance: 1. LiDAR: Use it to make reference scans for measurements if you forget to measure something on site. These scans can serve as an interactive photo gallery for your project reference page. 2. Graphics Tablet: If you use a Mac, the iPad can serve as a v graphics tablet. But even if we talk simply about a different workflow from what we are used to, it is healthy to try a different approach to at least appreciate what we already have. In the design industry, for example, standards change every year, and people expect new and refreshing things. By doing the same task but on a different platform, you might come up with something you never could elsewhere. I'm not sure if I answered your questions. I hope i did. :/
@ I appreciate the thoughts-rare to find someone to put multiple thoughts into a reply. Hopefully your educational experience has carried into your professional life.
@@ttopero Thank you for kind words. Well, to be honest it's brutal. Design industry is so incredibly competitive and over-saturated, sometimes makes me wonder why try at all. Everyone you meet is arrogant and treats you like you are trying to take their job away. Very defensive people. I'm working on opening my own business where i can do whatever i please, by following my ideologies - a user centric design, for users, not my personal ego boost. I hope i make it. If not, there is always a job in some shop or warehouse :D Sometimes it looks like people in this industry forget why it exists in the first place. We decide to become artists and designers to impact the world at least a little bit. Improve lives, at least tiny bit. But it looks like people are doing this just for trends, popularity and fame of all things. Very unfortunate.
Most people don't know this but I found this out a couple years ago, iPads are the most popular device for comic readers and comic artists. Android is represented a little bit as well but it has some short comings compared to the iPadOS eco system for comics. Now I don't read comics but I have some friends who work in that industry and its been the most popular device since the Apple Pencil surpassed the Wacom tablet in a useful device for comic creation. iPads made their lives easier and more convenient which is what a tech product should do.
The iPad Mini is so underrated. Most comfortable to hold for longer periods of time and ultimately portable. Taking notes is also a breeze on this great device.
I disagree with Luke - the iPad Pro is meant to be an adjunct to your MacBook Pro: but the iPad Mini is killer for every day tasks since it has a larger screen real estate than an iPhone, you find yourself doing stuff on it too cramped to do on an iPhone, Reading ebooks, watching YT and playing games - this is where it shines. A device that will change your life! 😊
The iPad Mini also is better for playing games on it. Having a 9inch size is more than large enough, the 11 inch becomes too unwieldy after a 10 minute session. Also there are some great telescopic controllers (eg GameSir G8) that can comfortably fit the Mini, but not so much the Pro. The iPad is Apple's best and most competitive product. There isn't any tablets or handhelds out there that are as good, let alone better. There are better experiences alternative to the iPhone, the MacBook, iMac, or Apple TV. So this is something to keep in consideration.
95% of people don’t actually need an iPad Pro or iPad Air. The 10.9 inch is just fine for all daily tasks. But looking at older iPads, yes then a used air or even pro starts getting more interesting.
95% of people don't need any iPad. iPad pro is the best media consumption tablet, whether it's worth somebody's money it's totally subjective, as is buying a 4k OLED TV....
@@_Digitalguy Technically, outside of work, majority of people don't even need a PC or a Mac. But as SJ said when he introduced the 1st iPad, it has to be better than an iPhone and a Mac at 7 key tasks for it to succeed. And at those tasks, it succeeds. So, if someone wants a "home computer" to enjoy those tasks, an iPad works perfectly.
For me, I now only use Macs for the things I absolutely can’t do on iPad Pro 12.9 with M2 chip. For everything else, they’re actually more fun to manage on iPad Pro because it’s got so many input methods. It’s a modern way of working. It’s intuitive.
about the whole "what's a computer" thing, apple was right. kids these days genuinely don't know how to use a mouse and keyboard, and some prefer touchscreen typing over a real keyboard. it seems to me that the tablet is replacing the home computer, and rightfully so. what more would you need then a tablet for browsing the web?
Not knowing how to use a computer while being in the new generation will always be weird to me, we might just end up having to teach the basics of computing to kids again...
It's true, I grew up with a computer but my brother is more familiar with the iPad. When he got a Mac he made the cursor big and red so he could see it properly, since he wasn't used to using a mouse cursor to click on things.
I think there is a huge disparity between the new generation ( my generation) some of us don’t know how to use the computer but at the same time the CS market is full like never before so it’s a field that attracts a lot. While some child’s only know the iPad other start to code at an extremely young age. It’s quite fascinating to observe ( when you can use a computer lol)
The old iPad Pros only made sense back when Apple was still selling Intel MacBooks that were hot, slow, and expensive. The moment WWDC2020 announced Apple Silicion for Mac, the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement died. Honestly, Apple should just go back to basics. One iPad model that is good at what it's supposed to do.
@@Studiosbrp exactly to my knowledge a marketing feature labeled specifically as pro has never ever once be used on a standard model across any of apples products such as phones ipads macs etc
It’s called Promotion because… Apple. It’s only a variable refresh rate that goes up to 120Hz, something that 200 dollar phones have nowadays. Considering iPad prices, there’s no excuse for the iPad Mini and Air at least to have better screens with 120Hz.
I have been saying all these things for years! I agree with every point. Keyboard is dumb, $500 is the right price, every iPad needs ProMotion it is such a big deal when you have a big touch screen, and delete the iPad mini. I have a 2018 11" Pro that I love to use for random things like books, email, RUclips, recipes, TikTok, and news. It is absolutely not a necessary device but when I don't feel like using my phone or getting out my Mac the iPad is a great option
I’ve gotten a good amount of use out of my iPad for notes in college, however I got the cheapest one available at the time (8th gen normal iPad). The air and pro will never be worth it when the software is so limited, but i think the base models can have some good value for specific use cases
I do think the capability of the iPad hardware allows for more functionality than most app creators allow. MS office is a key example where the app is too limited compared with the Mac software but it doesn’t have to be. It’s as if they have artificially set a limit to reinforce a market segment, not to serve the end user’s needs.
I think the precise title should be 'how to save the iPad pros' the ipad gen, mini, air are great, they have superb software compare to android for tabs, the hardware is decent, the price is reasonable and they have a real purpose, the air for study and entertainment, the mini for mostly entertainment, the gen for ppl who just want an ipad.
I must say that i do use an external keyboard, and i when i say external i mean i use an apple keyboard , no fancy carrying case or anything , with my iPad . I use it as a main driver for a lot of my remote configurations ( cloud setups , configs and such ) I’m actually using it right now to type this . What i like the best is that when I’m not working off it i can just pick it up and walk away and use it as a tablet for watching movies , videos , reading articles and what ever you can do on your phone but be able to see what you’re doing . I agree with your thoughts that for the price that you pay it would really help if it was far less than the cost of a MacBook . If i had $1000 burning a whole in my pocket I don’t think that an iPad would be the first thought in my head .
I’ve used an 11” iPad Pro since 2018 and have never connected a keyboard or trackpad (or any other accessory really). I use it every single day and love it.
File management & sharing is actually one of the most frustrating and limiting things I find with the iPad. Cloud computing is not the panacea that those pushing it think, especially with almost everyone needing to operate in multiple universes simultaneously. Even applying for jobs is complicated on the iPad, less because of the hardware & more because of the dependency on cloud storage even when cloud computing isn’t simple for most people outside a corporation.
For those who don’t live in front of a computer or have a desktop model that can’t be carried, this is a great option compared with a laptop. It’s more portable for me & flexible in my backpack to bike around. There seems to be two distinct but overlapping issues: utility, cost. I bet more people would see the value in the iPad at a sub $600 price point, especially if they have a desktop model with large screen. I wish the apps were allowed to be as full featured as on a Mac because I don’t want to have to buy a MacBook so I can work beyond my desk. Despite being very expensive, my 11” 2018 iPad Pro has been a great choice, as I have gotten 6 years of use & hopefully a few more. Best decision was to wait for the new model & then buy new.
The most used iPad in my life was the original iPad mini. I invested in the first two mini versions then invested in the iPad pro 12.9 when it came out. They all got repurposed to family members. I recently, purchased the iPad mini 7 after many years without one and I have to say, I am glad they did not do a major redesign of the mini. The 11 inch is just too big for it to be portable for me but the mini is the sweet spot. It does classic iPad the way I like to use it and fits in my purse. Thanks for the review Luke.
Great take - agree 100%. I have a foldable Bluetooth keyboard I use when I need to type, which is about 5% of the time. Even putting a cover on erases the magic of how thin the newest iPad Pro is.
Another certified banger! Yeah I rave about the iPad and I am in pro video production doing stunt videos, event coverage, and commercials. No you do not edit on the iPad. It’s an “iPhone Plus”. It is the best way to collaborate on notes because it can be passed around so easily, people can add their ideas while working together, use the lidar and cameras to scan for preplanning, it makes the team and clients feel more included, it looks way better to not be on your iPhone anyway or have a laptop placed on a car hood or where ever it gets put because you can’t carry it around like an iPad. It’s not far off to hold from the printed scripts. It’s the only tool to show the team’s dailies too when having dinner with the clients. Location scouting, navigation, and tools for the drones. I’d say all the apps we use that are perfect for what we need don’t exist on Mac or Windows for many things I’m describing. Apple notes kind of being the only app that does have a good Mac app.
M4 11” iPad Pro user here. Went from an M1 11” Pro and got my sister an M2 11” Pro too. M1 and M2 are absolutely great. 100% the ones to go for in my opinion, and I’d probably say get the M2 at this point for the extra Year or two of longevity given they’re very similarly priced. Only concessions are older Pencil/keyboard support and portrait camera.
I think it's the price that makes it hard to justify the purchase of an iPad. With a good case, keyboard and pencil you can easily reach the price of a macbook which needs almost nothing extra to work. And you don't have to compromise as there no software limitations.
iPads are marketed towards creatives and being a product designer myself and having multiple friends within the art and design industry were honestly more likely to buy a Vision Pro than an iPad now.
You just explained what apple is trying to get away from. Apple realized that’s what everyone uses it for, the problem is that using it as that kind of device means you will only have to upgrade every 5-10 years (I still daily drive an iPad Air 2). Apple doesn't want that hence why they’re trying to appeal to people who would be more likely to upgrade more often (pro users)
Great video Luke. I completely agree with you. I have an M1 iPad with a keyboard and I’ve realized the iPad is a lot more fun to use as a tablet. The iPad is best when it isn’t trying to be a laptop.
I run a school here in Tokyo and my music teachers each have one of those big iPad pros. Placed on the music score stand, they have an app that when they are playing piano gesture with their hand, it flips the score to the next page.... They create new music scores, send the scores to their students, play backing music or metronome sounds, record their students' performances, edit the performance videos and upload it all to RUclips. they get a helluva lot of use out of their big ipad pros.
All the music variety shows I see on KBS (Korea) show the musicians using iPads to display their music. They can mark it up with the Apple pencil and bluetooth pedals advance the pages. The page is also well-lit compared to the stage lighting.
This is EXACTLY how I use my iPad. I don’t have a Magic Keyboard. I do have a BT ThinkPad keyboard, that, very rarely I use on it if I find myself wanting to type a lot. But I don’t hardly use it. I have an M1 Pro 11”. I use it for youtube (hell I’m watching this video on it) browsing the web, social media. I even download stuff for my retro machines on it and can easily move it over to my NAS and then get access to it on whatever machine. I didn’t buy it with the intention of using it as a computer replacement and I never would.
The timing of this video is actually really neat, since I just bought a used M1 iPad Pro (12.9 inch) for school. And this video is spot on. If you want an iPad, get a used M1 iPad Pro. It is crazy good value rn, and you don't really miss out on much compared to the M4 model (outside of tandem OLED).
As an artist, once Apple came out with the pencil, a bigger screen for the pros and support for Procreate, there was no looking back for me. There is nothing better than the iPad Pro as a mobile studio for artists imo. Maybe one day Apple will design iOS in such a way that you don’t need a laptop, but as of now, I still prefer using my Air to do all my office work. We also use iPads at my day job to mix music on foot without having to be stuck behind a giant mixing console. It’s obvious Apple doesn’t know what to do with the iPad now bc its user base is not interested in the constant upgrade culture like the one for iPhones. Maybe their only path forward is to make it worse somehow (but still expensive lol).
I packed my iPad Air (lighter and smaller than a laptop) into my photography backpack along with dongles and SSDs to backup my camera cards when I was on a South America bird photography trip. I had to get used to the workflow of dealing with moving files using split screen, but really--I could have left that heavy Magic Keyboard back home!
My iPad Pro 12.9“ replaced the laptop and home computer for me (not the windows gaming machine ofc). I use it all the time. Web browsing, mails, watching series/YT. I love it. It’s the device I use the most after the phone. All afternoon and evening. It’s so great and portable and durable. Much more durable than a MacBook. And an amazing screen for watching media. I can’t imagine not having my iPad for daily stuff. I am en engineer and developer and ofc need a PC for work and sometimes at home. But what I do after work I prefer to do on the iPad.
2:15 I loved the commercials, kids don’t know much about a “computer”, my old guy self uses an iPad every day and and actual computer just when I really really need that… How often we do “computer stuff”? (that needed computing classes), now for people it’s just “normal” stuff we do in our modern devices for the daily life… mail, calls, write, draw, video, photo/video editing, audio... maybe web browsing and social media still seems like “computer stuff” but not really, it’s just another way of obtaining or communicating info (like mail or calls).
I tried to make my 2018 iPad Pro a work device and it just failed miserably. I've re-shaped how i used it and now it's a glorified movie watching and note taking device, and is 80% for leisure and 20% work (mostly admin stuff as I do video production). With used Macbooks becoming a sweeter deal every time the price drops, it's hard to justify the iPad Pro when the Air and even the $400 base model iPad are fundamentally the same device. I just spent $200 reviving my 2018 iPad Pro because the A12X is still more than enough (altho iPadOS 18 is a little laggy on it sometimes)
What did you do to “revive” it? New battery? Mine is at 83% capacity but sufficient for my needs. Could replace the Smart Keyboard though after 6 years😉
Thank for you sharing this perspective. The Magic Keyboard is just an iPad accessory, not a defining feature. I’m glad the M4 iPad Pros are lighter and thinner than previous generations to enchant the utility of its primary form factor. Though noticeable when using the keyboard, the difference is significant, from my experience, when using it solely as a tablet.
I have a 9th Gen iPad (10.2”) with the Apple Smart Keyboard. I love the combination. Sometimes I use the touch screen, but when I have a lot to type, I use the keyboard. It’s large enough, and compact/light enough. I use it way more than my M1 MBA.
4:05 Fun fact 101: Did you That the iPad Was the device that paved the way for the iPhone! Yeah, They left the iPad and created the first iPhone, then In 2010 officially Created the iPad.
iPad needs to playback 2 audio sources simultaneously. Little things like that are ridiculous and easy but Apple won’t allow that for some reason. I want to watch a tabata workout on RUclips and jam out to Apple Music.
It’s taking the iPad off the keyboard is why I love the Magic Keyboard. I can use my iPad as a laptop or easily pop it off and use it as a tablet. I use it as both regularly, the versatility is what makes it such a key device for me
I agree with you about the problem of the price and the “need” of Promotion : I can’t live without it anymore either, the same with cellular. I’ve had the original iPad, then in cellular the iPad 2, the iPad Air 1, the iPad Pro 10.5 2017, and finally the iPad Pro 11 2020 with the pencil and the Magic Keyboard. It was the last one which costed less than 1000$. I use it without the keyboard most of the time but when I need to be productive on the go, it’s really magical. I really enjoy working and chilling with my iPad Pro. I don’t need a laptop, a Mac mini complete my set-up perfectly (M4 planned for next summer).
This take was actually useful. It clearly shows that Apple may have a value problem. The separation of the iPad line may be sub-optimal. Well i would simplify the lineup much more and ditch the keyboards for everything except the pros. 6 “iPad’s” in total. Air in 9, 11 inch and pro in 9, 11 inch. 13 inches will go away and be replaced by a new product line. Artboard in 14 and 17 inch. That would be simple.
I love my iPad (M1 pro) when I'm travelling for the same reasons. It's also great for music creation too. I don't use a keyboard with it on the whole. Business stuff is done on the desktop and I like it that way. Great video
My 90-year-old mother wouldn't get within 100 feet of anything that looks like a comptuer but she uses her iPad all day long. For my use case, I could easily ditch the iPhone for an iPad mini with the phone and Apple watch app. I use my Mac for the heavy-lifting work but 90% of what I do is on the iPad. I use the watch for my phone and music player. Given the trend for people to want bigger and bigger cell phones, I really would encourage Apple to move the iPad mini over to the iPhone lineup as the iPhone Ultra.
I literally just sold my 2020 Macbook Air today, to use my iPad Pro M2 as my main/only laptop (been doing that for a year now). Works for some… works for me… and I’m a 40-year old nerd 🤓
Luke I’ve only ever used iPads solo. If I want a keyboard I’ll go to my Mac. But it’s so flexible - granted I sit 4 feet away from my Mac. I seamlessly swap between experiences all day long.
iPad to me is basically just an extended display for my MacBook Pro, and a secondary handheld device with notifications disabled for when I don't want to be holding my phone, but want to sit on the couch and do less than I would on my MacBook or iPhone.
I always find myself taking the keyboard off when I pick up my ipad, especially when I'm relaxing in the recliner. Works great as just a tablet. On point as always.
The original iPad was meant to be used as an AirPlay remote device, a portable DVD replacement and an e-reader. It has no place trying to be a creative product.
Apple designed the tablet before the designed the phone. The iPhone was basically a small iPad (that hadn't even been introduced yet. My sister tried to use her iPsd Pro (that she got as soon as the first one was released) as a computer replacement because it's just easier to use. But she ran into the problem that the text book publishers she was working with saw the iPad as an iPhone because they both used iOS. iPadOS has now fixed that. I got my first iPad mini with Retina display as a media player, but I found that I was doing so much more with it. I did get a Bluetooth keyboard but it was a piano keyboard. I now have a regular typewriter-style keyboard I can use with my new iPad mini 7 but I never have. Likewise I got an Apple Pencil Pro (that I was hoping against hope that the new 7 would support) but I haven't used that yet either. It's an iPad and I use it as an iPad. Yes, still as a media player so I got it with the max half a terabyte of storage, but I passed on the cellular. I'm rarely where I don't have access to wi-fi and I can always use phone tethering when I'm not. For me the size is everything. It's big enough but never too big, crazy portable. What's ProMotion? (Like I used to ask "What's Retina display?" -- I still have no trouble moving back and forth between Retina and non-Retina.)
I just have never seen the need for an iPad in my life. If I want an ultraportable device, I'm using my iPhone. If I want a larger screen, I'm using my MacBook Pro. No need for a really big iPhone in between those. Especially when the iPad costs as much as a MacBook, it just makes no sense to me. Just my 2 cents
I just bought a Lenovo P12 12.9" tablet. Great tablet. Came with a pen and cover (which is by far the nicest cover I've ever used for a tablet) and it cost me $350.00. Great screen. VERY fast and does almost everything that my 11" iPad Pro does (there are a couple of apps I like that are iOS only). Pen works very well and I couldn't be happier with my choice to buy it. There are other great tablets out there, you just have to look and sometimes, like I did with the Lenovo, take a chance. :D
Although they’d probably be scared to make it a senior citizen product, that may be one of the biggest untapped markets who could spend the money & don’t need the laptop functionality. A dock to rest the iPad on without plugging anything into it that is connected to a desktop setup (keyboard, mouse, monitor) would actually be a better setup for most retired people than a full computer, desktop or laptop.
When 1 bought a giant tablet for my mother then aged 70, she started having fun with computers. She had difficulties with double- clicking on a mouse button.
I think for a while Apple was honestly hoping people would transition over to iPad as a laptop replacement and they could slowly phase out Mac and have all Apple software run through the App Store. That wasn't successful as most consumers are still using the iPad for iPad things and not laptop things, so now we have seen in the last few MacOS updates, Apple steadily tightening the lid and creating more hoops to jump through if you want to run software not signed by Apple on MacOS. Regulation is a complex thing and it many times does a disservice to consumers or the market, but in the case of USB C and App store control, I am happy the EU is doing something.
"I think for a while Apple was honestly hoping people would transition over to iPad as a laptop replacement and they could slowly phase out Mac and have all Apple software run through the App Store. " That can work for the consumer / home computer market. Not so for the professional market. Creative professionals and office workers still need Macs / PC's.
As someone, who owns both, a MacBook and IPad, I started to use mostly my Mac, bcc it is way for efficient for my types of work....I could so all that with my IPad but it would take me ages compared to my Mac...Should be noted, that I own a MacBook AIr M2 and normal IPad 8th generation. The power in the Mac is far superior, but I rarely use my IPad, unless for mediaconsumption, reader, light web-browsing and 2ndary device to my Mac, actually
I have 11" iPad Pro M1 and we are basically using it with my whole family as a secondary device. I am using MacBook Pro 16" 36GB and will never need iPad as main device. When using the iPad I use it without accessories.
So many youtubers hate on the iPad just cause it don’t run MacOS. I love the iPad as it is! I ditched my macbook for an iPad Pro in 2018 and haven’t looked back. I couldn’t care less if it ever runs MacOS. I’m an artist, and not only is the macbook pro the best digital sketchbook ever invented, it also does everything my macbook used to do, only better. I edit all my photos & videos on it. I surf the web on it. I consume media on it. I love the touch interface so much more than using a laptop keyboard. It’s so natural and intuitive. I have fully transitioned to an iPad iOS only workflow. But I guess some youtubers will keep posting videos of how the iPad will suck until it can run MacOS.
I got my iPad Pro 12.9 M1 a while ago. I'm a programmer and I use it as second screen via Sidecar, And it's really good for it, also I watch a lot of videos and movies on it, because it's much more convenient than on my 16 inch MacBook Pro. But can it replace me a laptop? The answer is no, it doesn't have an any IDE, and iPadOS, It's really not for such job. And some people can say just buy an iPad Air or smth cheaper, but like said Luke, ProMotion, I really can't live without it. Oh, and MiniLED, the screen looks much better than other screens, yeah, it's not an OLED, but still much better, than general panels. But the price, I really don't understand why it costs like MacBook Air and some versions even more.
The problem is that Apple still just arbitrarily prevents so much basic stuff from working on iPads so you are still forced to buy a Mac also. I mean they put the M4 chip (the most powerful processor Apple has ever made) in the iPad before any Mac, but they still won't let you open music files in the Music app. Wtf kind of psychopaths do that???
I have a 2022 iPad and I love it. Even though I don’t use it as much as I used to use iPads 6+ years ago. I would rather use my MacBook for the majority because doing something as simple as downloading and uploading something takes even longer on an iPad.
A folding iPhone would be a game changer for me and would reinvigorate an iPad like experience. I must take an iPhone and my 14 inch MBP with me most of the time when I travel. If I got a folding smartphone big enough to watch my shows on a plane then I would get a 16 inch MBP and just leave it in my bag. I just don't see why I would ever get a fixed size iPad anymore. I think they are great for artists, musicians and educators though but that's not me.
A 256GB iPad is $499. No chance of getting a new iPad with a Liquid Retina screen, ProMotion etc at that price. But a used or refurb M1 iPad (Pro or Air) is a great way to get a device that will last a long time.
I have an M1 11” iPad Pro with cellular. I hardly use it. I was thinking of upgrading to the M4 to get back into the iPad. I would like to use it as a document scanner.
My wife and I both have an iPad mini, we love them, we won't go back to the larger iPads!! The iPhone pro max screen is too small for reading on for any length of time and the iPad mini still fits in my pocket!!
If the iPad could curve and the bottom changes to a keyboard with haptic feedback and function as a laptop and tablet at the same time that would be stellar
Luke, you're actually quite incorrect about iPad artists being "satisfied." The ones who stick to their iPads may be satisfied, but those individuals don't have rigorous professional workflows. I spent my undergrad years as a digital artist using my iPad Pro as my main computer, and it was great... until it ended. Eventually, I realized that the creative industry uses desktop applications with UIs far too cluttered to ever fit on an iPad screen. iPads need to get bigger, and they need to function as Wacom Cintiq replacements for a Mac, in order to cement their place in the creative world. They certainly appeal to a lot of rising artists, and can work as portable canvases for artists on the go and in a pinch, but the vast majority of professional digital artists use large pen displays as their main workstations.
I use my tablet as a tv replacement, the iPad really lacks in this category. I switched to a Samsung Galaxy Tab A9+, which is perfect for that. Four speakers, Dolby Atmos, super cheap. It's so easy for watching Netflix, Twitch, RUclips etc
I can agree with you on a lot of those points. But many tech reviewers will say I want the Mac OS experience on the iPad. And maybe they’re driving the technology.
The iPad is a great device for browsing, but not for “computing”. Using a spreadsheet on it is laborious. Switching apps is cumbersome. It’s powerful now, but held back by software.
I have no need for a full on laptop or desktop setup and my iPad Pro does all I need and more than for my use. So going the iPad route for me was a no brainer.
I always find it funny when some people expect an iPad to be able to replace the MacBook. Especially when they think iPad Pro shouldn’t be called “Pro” if it doesn’t do MacOS stuff. iPad Pro is Pro because it is designed for professional artists, especially professional digital artists. No one expects a professional artist to do accounting well, so if you need to do professional accounting, get a Mac.
I bought my new Ipad with the intension of never using it with a magic keyboard. I went with this weird hybrid frankenstein monster instead. I've got my ipad pro, a mac mini, a stand alone keyboard, mouse and the thing that pulls it all together, the luna display adapter. I think this is the best possible setup for someone who wants the MacOS experience but also genuinely enjoys a traditional ipad experience.
Started using iPads nigh exclusively in 2017 (I’m 50 years old now if that matters), moving to totally exclusively by 2018. Never owned an Air nor Pro yet. I do everything on them, including music creation/production. When I force myself to TRY to use my Win or Mac laptops now…they feel…ancient, clunky, slow and cumbersome and that everything about Win11 and modern MacOS is getting in my way. 🤷♂️ Give me ipadOS and even a ‘basic’ iPad and I feel free and absolutely far faster and more creative and more productive! (No keyboard nor pencil nor mouse….just the iPad all alone!)
I still maintain that in order for the iPad "pro" to have actually been pro level to differentiate itself from the standard models, it needed a tablet friendly build of MacOS. But apple will never do that because then it'll cannibalize MacBook air sales. I sold my m1 iPad pro because it simply wasn't suited for professional tasks I needed it to do, even though the hardware itself was more than capable. My vision was to be able to do everything i needed on a "pro" tablet, avoiding the need to have a laptop at all. But it just never panned out that way and the limitations were far too numerous for the device to be useful to me. If being "pro" is not the vision, then they frankly should have named it differently.
With your point about the M1 iPad Pro and ProMotion- my first 120hz device was the iPhone 16 pro. I got it pretty soon after it came out, and what's interesting is that I only notice the difference between it and my 60hz devices after having used it for a few months. It's like my eyes have been trained to notice it. Now, does it improve my life that it has a higher refresh rate? No, it's a phone. Does it make all my other devices feel worse in comparison? Absolutely. My point is that 120hz only makes a difference after you've already made the jump. I would be just fine if I got the normal 16 instead, and most people would be fine if they got the 10th gen iPad instead of the M1 iPad Pro
I don’t understand tech tubers take on the iPad. It’s a tablet it always have been. For some people might also replace their computer but it’s not an computer replacement
Good video! When tablets became popular I didn’t think that the trend would last. I was sure people would forget tablets and iPads soon. I couldn’t understand why would people want to use something that was bigger than smartphone and smaller than laptop to do things smartphone and laptop do. But then when they just became more and more popular I finally decited to try one. I bought 7” Asus Nexus Android tablet. It was fun toy to play with but I didn’t like it as much as I hoped I would. Then when Nexus got slower and slower and finally wouldn’t work at all I bought iPad Air 1. And I fell in love! It was so much better in everything! I did almost everything with it. Smartphone and laptop got used less and less. And also TV. Finally I sold TV and used my iPad Air 1 as my TV. It was amazing! It had only 32 Gb storage and it became slower over time. BUT when iOS got updates it got faster again and everything on it used less space than before updates. After years of use I bought iPad Air 2 with 256 Gb storage. I’m using it right now to write this. I use this iPad every day for 3-10 hours to watch RUclips, movies, series and to listen to music and browse web etc. I love this device! This is the best tech I’ve ever bought!
Same, I couldn't make sense of the iPad when it came out. I had a couple netbooks (one in my glove compartment) for when I needed something portable. I couldn't fathom why people would give up a desktop OS and a physical keyboard for a touch screen. This explains why I'm horrible about predicting the future of technology. I love my iPad mini and use it daily. I also love my Mac Studio with 4 displays. And my MacBook Air 15". Good thing I didn't make decisions about Apple products!!!
I’m so sick of the “tech enthusiast” take on the iPad. The workflow isn’t for tech reviewers. I work in education and I’m a musician. The simplicity of the device is what makes the iPad so PERFECT in those situations. When reading charts or mixing music live, I need an OS that’s dead simple and works extremely well with touch input. Similarly, the simplicity of iPadOS lends itself well to elementary students and serves as an excellent basis for their learning experience. Luke, you were the worst talking about “macOS should be on the iPad”, which I disagreed with so much. Thanks for going back on this. When you treat the iPad like an iPad, it works phenomenally.
Right, but then why would I need something that costs nearly a thousand dollars with a laptop/desktop class CPU inside of it for elementary work, creative work or live music reading?
@@megatronskneecapexactly. Mind you, something being marketed as a computer and has a mouse and keyboard available for you to buy.
I agree, I was always rolling my eyes as Luke and Noah would go on and on about how the iPad OS needed to be more like MacOS. It's a fantastic tablet, not a laptop. The "tech enthusiasts" like Luke seems to only be concerned on whether it could edit video just like you could on a laptop.
My point being keep the $500 dollar iPad and scrap this awful habit Apple has of creating "Pro" iPad's and marketing them as creative beasts that everyone needs. The advertising for it was so pushy and bad for the latest Pro that Apple took it down and people got offended.
@@megatronskneecap I actually agree that the pro iPads are a waste of money. The 10th gen iPad is, now more than ever, an incredible value at $350. And it runs everything I need in my workflow and works well for students.
For the record, the original title of the video was “Make the iPad Great Again!”
LMAO
Piggybacking off a GREAT slogan
he should’ve kept that bruh
MAAAAAN I Love Apple stuff but some of you need to switch to decaf. There's no need to change the title the title was awesome. It's why I came here. It had Chutzpah. "Reinvent the iPad" is such a lame, diet coke, sad shadow of the awesome original Chads Only "Make the iPad Great Again"
All the Apple Products are going to cost about 20% more in about 2 months like everything else in the US
The most quintessential problem with the iPad nowadays is, that it’s promoted like a PC, priced as a PC, but got the software of a toy and cut hardware (for example RAM) compared to it’s Mac siblings. Furthermore it’s becoming thinner and thinner instead of much needed and definitely possible battery improvement!
Title history:
“Make the iPad great again”
“How to reinvent the iPad”
“How to save the ipad”
Will update
MiGA FTW
Well as Long as iPad sales keep declining for the reasons highlighted, these videos are probably gona keep on coming 🤷♂
I think Apple needs to continue developing around the Apple Pencil. The goal of the iPad should be to replace paper/whiteboards/canvases. I use an iPad mini as my work notebook that syncs directly with OneNote to my work computer. I use it as a whiteboard for training my team over MS Teams calls. There’s so many uses for tech outside of “video editing”. It is glaring how many “tech reviewers” have never had a real job
This! Only focusing on stuff that only they do!
What if they put those features into a laptop ... Then customize the software to enable their correct usage when needed.
Why cripple the whole Operating System and create a whole category ... Using the exact same hardware.
Taking notes in meetings
Updating documents during the discussion
Modifying project plans
Presenting to stakeholders
All less intrusive than a laptop.
Luke, do you even remember how we got here...? If you recall, it was the users crying and whining that the iPad of several years ago could have been used as a simple MacBook, not Apple. It was the users demanding a real keyboard and trackpad, not Apple. So Apple relented, and they made iPadOS with it, which everybody still seems to complain about. And now, you are seeing the device for what Apple always placed it as: a tablet for media consumption, and, with the Apple Pencil, a great creative device.
I bought the OG iPad when it came out, convinced I was throwing away my money, and yet I read nine e-books on it during that summer holiday and was sold forever. To this day, my M2 iPad Pro is mostly used for media consumption, with some use of the Pencil to draw or write notes. When I travel, my MacBook Pro is mostly with me, but my iPad always is. So, I really believe this is a distortion created entirely by the public.
iPad Pro - possibly the best device ever made. My friends and I in art university breezed through our studies with it, using it for sketches, product design concepts, storyboard drawings, LIDAR for interior and architecture scans, and remote project drafts later exported to AutoCAD to finish the job. This product transformed my study partner, who didn't know how to draw, into someone who challenged herself to sketch out her visualizations instead of relying on the 3D software we typically use (3ds Max + V-Ray / Lumion / Archicad + Enscape). She achieved a 9 out of 10 and earned her interior design bachelor's degree alongside me. The experience using the iPad is fun, fluid and extremely entertaining. You want to use it every chance you get. But you also have to know what you want to do. For some, iPad is a movie machine, for others this a tool that can define their careers.
You nailed a key use issue for the pro series: understanding & creating a workflow for uses that the iPad is uniquely suited for. It’s a lot of investigating, research, trial & error to get to the point you’s got to-I’m still working on it 6 years later!
I’m curious if you think you’d be using it as thoroughly if you didn’t have instructions, instructors or a learning environment to help you explore and understand what was possible? I remember learning so many of the foundations for software in school, but it didn’t translate well into the workforce as well. It seems that shifting from full software to apps hasn’t had as much of an impact on raising the quality as much as bringing the access point down❓❔
@@ttopero Hmm, if I hadn't studied design, I think I would have passed on the iPad entirely. Outside of design tasks, I don't see it as a device I'd need.
I'd just stick to my desktop and remain tethered to one spot.
It's the environment that made me appreciate the iPad Pro. My whole class was full of ambitious people who inspired each other to explore new tools, and together decided to try the iPad Pro as one of them. It's challenging to start doing something you already know, but with a different approach. We are creatures of habit and comfort, and retraining our brains to do something familiar but differently is no easy feat.
For example, I find it impossible to drive a car with a Japanese steering wheel layout. I can only drive with the European layout. It's the same function, but one element is placed differently, and it makes all the difference for me. (weird analogy, but it is what it is)
Regarding full software versus apps - try not to view the iPad or similar tools as competitors to what you already do. Instead, see them as extensions. Explore what the iPad can offer and integrate those features into your existing workflow.
For instance:
1. LiDAR: Use it to make reference scans for measurements if you forget to measure something on site. These scans can serve as an interactive photo gallery for your project reference page.
2. Graphics Tablet: If you use a Mac, the iPad can serve as a v graphics tablet.
But even if we talk simply about a different workflow from what we are used to, it is healthy to try a different approach to at least appreciate what we already have. In the design industry, for example, standards change every year, and people expect new and refreshing things. By doing the same task but on a different platform, you might come up with something you never could elsewhere.
I'm not sure if I answered your questions. I hope i did. :/
@ I appreciate the thoughts-rare to find someone to put multiple thoughts into a reply. Hopefully your educational experience has carried into your professional life.
@@ttopero Thank you for kind words. Well, to be honest it's brutal. Design industry is so incredibly competitive and over-saturated, sometimes makes me wonder why try at all. Everyone you meet is arrogant and treats you like you are trying to take their job away. Very defensive people. I'm working on opening my own business where i can do whatever i please, by following my ideologies - a user centric design, for users, not my personal ego boost. I hope i make it. If not, there is always a job in some shop or warehouse :D
Sometimes it looks like people in this industry forget why it exists in the first place. We decide to become artists and designers to impact the world at least a little bit. Improve lives, at least tiny bit. But it looks like people are doing this just for trends, popularity and fame of all things. Very unfortunate.
Most people don't know this but I found this out a couple years ago, iPads are the most popular device for comic readers and comic artists. Android is represented a little bit as well but it has some short comings compared to the iPadOS eco system for comics. Now I don't read comics but I have some friends who work in that industry and its been the most popular device since the Apple Pencil surpassed the Wacom tablet in a useful device for comic creation. iPads made their lives easier and more convenient which is what a tech product should do.
It's why the iPad mini 6 made so much sense to me. It wasn't trying to replace my laptop... just wanted to supplement it.
The iPad Mini is so underrated. Most comfortable to hold for longer periods of time and ultimately portable.
Taking notes is also a breeze on this great device.
I disagree with Luke - the iPad Pro is meant to be an adjunct to your MacBook Pro: but the iPad Mini is killer for every day tasks since it has a larger screen real estate than an iPhone, you find yourself doing stuff on it too cramped to do on an iPhone, Reading ebooks, watching YT and playing games - this is where it shines. A device that will change your life! 😊
The iPad Mini also is better for playing games on it. Having a 9inch size is more than large enough, the 11 inch becomes too unwieldy after a 10 minute session.
Also there are some great telescopic controllers (eg GameSir G8) that can comfortably fit the Mini, but not so much the Pro.
The iPad is Apple's best and most competitive product. There isn't any tablets or handhelds out there that are as good, let alone better.
There are better experiences alternative to the iPhone, the MacBook, iMac, or Apple TV. So this is something to keep in consideration.
Agree, if you're using the iPad purely as a tablet then the iPad mini is the best iPad. Period. End of discussion.
Thank you, thank you, thank you for finally pointing out that iPad- designed to be a tablet - is wonderful when used as a tablet.
95% of people don’t actually need an iPad Pro or iPad Air. The 10.9 inch is just fine for all daily tasks. But looking at older iPads, yes then a used air or even pro starts getting more interesting.
I agree. I think Apple should simplify the lineup:
1. iPad (11" / 13" screen size, A-series processors, 90hz LCD screen, TouchID) => $499 / $699
2. iPad Pro (11" / 13" screen size, M-series processors, 120hz ProMotion Tandem OLED display, FaceID) => $999 / $1,199
This. The regular iPad is fine for most people.
I've got a 5th gen that still works fine, although it's starting to get a little slow.
95% of people don't need any iPad. iPad pro is the best media consumption tablet, whether it's worth somebody's money it's totally subjective, as is buying a 4k OLED TV....
@@_Digitalguy Technically, outside of work, majority of people don't even need a PC or a Mac. But as SJ said when he introduced the 1st iPad, it has to be better than an iPhone and a Mac at 7 key tasks for it to succeed. And at those tasks, it succeeds.
So, if someone wants a "home computer" to enjoy those tasks, an iPad works perfectly.
You are exactly right Luke.
The iPad needs to augment the devices around it (Mac) not try and replace them.
For me, I now only use Macs for the things I absolutely can’t do on iPad Pro 12.9 with M2 chip. For everything else, they’re actually more fun to manage on iPad Pro because it’s got so many input methods. It’s a modern way of working. It’s intuitive.
Honestly the “what’s a computer” ad might be the most iconic/controversial modern Apple ad 😂
about the whole "what's a computer" thing, apple was right. kids these days genuinely don't know how to use a mouse and keyboard, and some prefer touchscreen typing over a real keyboard. it seems to me that the tablet is replacing the home computer, and rightfully so. what more would you need then a tablet for browsing the web?
Not knowing how to use a computer while being in the new generation will always be weird to me, we might just end up having to teach the basics of computing to kids again...
It's true, I grew up with a computer but my brother is more familiar with the iPad. When he got a Mac he made the cursor big and red so he could see it properly, since he wasn't used to using a mouse cursor to click on things.
I think there is a huge disparity between the new generation ( my generation) some of us don’t know how to use the computer but at the same time the CS market is full like never before so it’s a field that attracts a lot. While some child’s only know the iPad other start to code at an extremely young age. It’s quite fascinating to observe ( when you can use a computer lol)
The old iPad Pros only made sense back when Apple was still selling Intel MacBooks that were hot, slow, and expensive. The moment WWDC2020 announced Apple Silicion for Mac, the iPad Pro as a laptop replacement died. Honestly, Apple should just go back to basics. One iPad model that is good at what it's supposed to do.
ProMotion is the only thing missing from the cheaper models preventing me from getting another iPad again
It is called Pro for a reason
@@Studiosbrp exactly to my knowledge a marketing feature labeled specifically as pro has never ever once be used on a standard model across any of apples products such as phones ipads macs etc
It’s called Promotion because… Apple. It’s only a variable refresh rate that goes up to 120Hz, something that 200 dollar phones have nowadays. Considering iPad prices, there’s no excuse for the iPad Mini and Air at least to have better screens with 120Hz.
I have been saying all these things for years! I agree with every point. Keyboard is dumb, $500 is the right price, every iPad needs ProMotion it is such a big deal when you have a big touch screen, and delete the iPad mini. I have a 2018 11" Pro that I love to use for random things like books, email, RUclips, recipes, TikTok, and news. It is absolutely not a necessary device but when I don't feel like using my phone or getting out my Mac the iPad is a great option
I’ve gotten a good amount of use out of my iPad for notes in college, however I got the cheapest one available at the time (8th gen normal iPad). The air and pro will never be worth it when the software is so limited, but i think the base models can have some good value for specific use cases
Finally, the complaint about not making iPad on par with mac is put to rest. iPad is iPad & mac is mac.
I do think the capability of the iPad hardware allows for more functionality than most app creators allow. MS office is a key example where the app is too limited compared with the Mac software but it doesn’t have to be. It’s as if they have artificially set a limit to reinforce a market segment, not to serve the end user’s needs.
I think the precise title should be 'how to save the iPad pros' the ipad gen, mini, air are great, they have superb software compare to android for tabs, the hardware is decent, the price is reasonable and they have a real purpose, the air for study and entertainment, the mini for mostly entertainment, the gen for ppl who just want an ipad.
I must say that i do use an external keyboard, and i when i say external i mean i use an apple keyboard , no fancy carrying case or anything , with my iPad . I use it as a main driver for a lot of my remote configurations ( cloud setups , configs and such ) I’m actually using it right now to type this . What i like the best is that when I’m not working off it i can just pick it up and walk away and use it as a tablet for watching movies , videos , reading articles and what ever you can do on your phone but be able to see what you’re doing . I agree with your thoughts that for the price that you pay it would really help if it was far less than the cost of a MacBook . If i had $1000 burning a whole in my pocket I don’t think that an iPad would be the first thought in my head .
I’ve used an 11” iPad Pro since 2018 and have never connected a keyboard or trackpad (or any other accessory really). I use it every single day and love it.
I use my iPad 90% of the time. Just YouTubing, Netflixn and reading news and shopping. It’s always been great to use.
File management & sharing is actually one of the most frustrating and limiting things I find with the iPad. Cloud computing is not the panacea that those pushing it think, especially with almost everyone needing to operate in multiple universes simultaneously. Even applying for jobs is complicated on the iPad, less because of the hardware & more because of the dependency on cloud storage even when cloud computing isn’t simple for most people outside a corporation.
For those who don’t live in front of a computer or have a desktop model that can’t be carried, this is a great option compared with a laptop. It’s more portable for me & flexible in my backpack to bike around.
There seems to be two distinct but overlapping issues: utility, cost. I bet more people would see the value in the iPad at a sub $600 price point, especially if they have a desktop model with large screen.
I wish the apps were allowed to be as full featured as on a Mac because I don’t want to have to buy a MacBook so I can work beyond my desk.
Despite being very expensive, my 11” 2018 iPad Pro has been a great choice, as I have gotten 6 years of use & hopefully a few more. Best decision was to wait for the new model & then buy new.
The most used iPad in my life was the original iPad mini. I invested in the first two mini versions then invested in the iPad pro 12.9 when it came out. They all got repurposed to family members. I recently, purchased the iPad mini 7 after many years without one and I have to say, I am glad they did not do a major redesign of the mini. The 11 inch is just too big for it to be portable for me but the mini is the sweet spot. It does classic iPad the way I like to use it and fits in my purse. Thanks for the review Luke.
The moment Luke said "We're looking at it the wrong way" I am reminded of that "you're holding it wrong" moment Apple had. Make of that what you will.
Great take - agree 100%. I have a foldable Bluetooth keyboard I use when I need to type, which is about 5% of the time. Even putting a cover on erases the magic of how thin the newest iPad Pro is.
Another certified banger! Yeah I rave about the iPad and I am in pro video production doing stunt videos, event coverage, and commercials. No you do not edit on the iPad. It’s an “iPhone Plus”. It is the best way to collaborate on notes because it can be passed around so easily, people can add their ideas while working together, use the lidar and cameras to scan for preplanning, it makes the team and clients feel more included, it looks way better to not be on your iPhone anyway or have a laptop placed on a car hood or where ever it gets put because you can’t carry it around like an iPad. It’s not far off to hold from the printed scripts. It’s the only tool to show the team’s dailies too when having dinner with the clients. Location scouting, navigation, and tools for the drones. I’d say all the apps we use that are perfect for what we need don’t exist on Mac or Windows for many things I’m describing. Apple notes kind of being the only app that does have a good Mac app.
Finally someone who thinks the same way as me. Everyone says that I am stupid for not using a keyboard with iPad Pro.
M4 11” iPad Pro user here. Went from an M1 11” Pro and got my sister an M2 11” Pro too. M1 and M2 are absolutely great. 100% the ones to go for in my opinion, and I’d probably say get the M2 at this point for the extra Year or two of longevity given they’re very similarly priced. Only concessions are older Pencil/keyboard support and portrait camera.
I think it's the price that makes it hard to justify the purchase of an iPad. With a good case, keyboard and pencil you can easily reach the price of a macbook which needs almost nothing extra to work. And you don't have to compromise as there no software limitations.
iPads are marketed towards creatives and being a product designer myself and having multiple friends within the art and design industry were honestly more likely to buy a Vision Pro than an iPad now.
iPads are cheaper than their MacBook equivalents
You just explained what apple is trying to get away from. Apple realized that’s what everyone uses it for, the problem is that using it as that kind of device means you will only have to upgrade every 5-10 years (I still daily drive an iPad Air 2). Apple doesn't want that hence why they’re trying to appeal to people who would be more likely to upgrade more often (pro users)
2023 Luke Miani: Why can't I use my iPad as a laptop
2024 Luke Miani: Hey everyone just use the iPad as an iPad
Great video Luke. I completely agree with you. I have an M1 iPad with a keyboard and I’ve realized the iPad is a lot more fun to use as a tablet. The iPad is best when it isn’t trying to be a laptop.
I run a school here in Tokyo and my music teachers each have one of those big iPad pros. Placed on the music score stand, they have an app that when they are playing piano gesture with their hand, it flips the score to the next page.... They create new music scores, send the scores to their students, play backing music or metronome sounds, record their students' performances, edit the performance videos and upload it all to RUclips.
they get a helluva lot of use out of their big ipad pros.
All the music variety shows I see on KBS (Korea) show the musicians using iPads to display their music. They can mark it up with the Apple pencil and bluetooth pedals advance the pages. The page is also well-lit compared to the stage lighting.
This is EXACTLY how I use my iPad. I don’t have a Magic Keyboard. I do have a BT ThinkPad keyboard, that, very rarely I use on it if I find myself wanting to type a lot. But I don’t hardly use it. I have an M1 Pro 11”. I use it for youtube (hell I’m watching this video on it) browsing the web, social media. I even download stuff for my retro machines on it and can easily move it over to my NAS and then get access to it on whatever machine.
I didn’t buy it with the intention of using it as a computer replacement and I never would.
The timing of this video is actually really neat, since I just bought a used M1 iPad Pro (12.9 inch) for school. And this video is spot on. If you want an iPad, get a used M1 iPad Pro. It is crazy good value rn, and you don't really miss out on much compared to the M4 model (outside of tandem OLED).
As an artist, once Apple came out with the pencil, a bigger screen for the pros and support for Procreate, there was no looking back for me. There is nothing better than the iPad Pro as a mobile studio for artists imo. Maybe one day Apple will design iOS in such a way that you don’t need a laptop, but as of now, I still prefer using my Air to do all my office work. We also use iPads at my day job to mix music on foot without having to be stuck behind a giant mixing console.
It’s obvious Apple doesn’t know what to do with the iPad now bc its user base is not interested in the constant upgrade culture like the one for iPhones. Maybe their only path forward is to make it worse somehow (but still expensive lol).
I packed my iPad Air (lighter and smaller than a laptop) into my photography backpack along with dongles and SSDs to backup my camera cards when I was on a South America bird photography trip. I had to get used to the workflow of dealing with moving files using split screen, but really--I could have left that heavy Magic Keyboard back home!
My iPad Pro 12.9“ replaced the laptop and home computer for me (not the windows gaming machine ofc). I use it all the time. Web browsing, mails, watching series/YT. I love it. It’s the device I use the most after the phone. All afternoon and evening. It’s so great and portable and durable. Much more durable than a MacBook. And an amazing screen for watching media. I can’t imagine not having my iPad for daily stuff. I am en engineer and developer and ofc need a PC for work and sometimes at home. But what I do after work I prefer to do on the iPad.
2:15 I loved the commercials, kids don’t know much about a “computer”, my old guy self uses an iPad every day and and actual computer just when I really really need that…
How often we do “computer stuff”? (that needed computing classes), now for people it’s just “normal” stuff we do in our modern devices for the daily life… mail, calls, write, draw, video, photo/video editing, audio... maybe web browsing and social media still seems like “computer stuff” but not really, it’s just another way of obtaining or communicating info (like mail or calls).
I tried to make my 2018 iPad Pro a work device and it just failed miserably. I've re-shaped how i used it and now it's a glorified movie watching and note taking device, and is 80% for leisure and 20% work (mostly admin stuff as I do video production).
With used Macbooks becoming a sweeter deal every time the price drops, it's hard to justify the iPad Pro when the Air and even the $400 base model iPad are fundamentally the same device. I just spent $200 reviving my 2018 iPad Pro because the A12X is still more than enough (altho iPadOS 18 is a little laggy on it sometimes)
What did you do to “revive” it? New battery? Mine is at 83% capacity but sufficient for my needs. Could replace the Smart Keyboard though after 6 years😉
I literally just bought my iPad 10th generation a few weeks ago and it seems to be blazing fast for everything I need to do on it
Thank for you sharing this perspective. The Magic Keyboard is just an iPad accessory, not a defining feature. I’m glad the M4 iPad Pros are lighter and thinner than previous generations to enchant the utility of its primary form factor. Though noticeable when using the keyboard, the difference is significant, from my experience, when using it solely as a tablet.
9:40 the movie is The Judge btw, great movie. I wish more people on RUclips talked about it
10:02 is 21 Bridges, also another great movie. Shot like an old crime movie
"Make iPad great again!!"
I have a 9th Gen iPad (10.2”) with the Apple Smart Keyboard. I love the combination. Sometimes I use the touch screen, but when I have a lot to type, I use the keyboard. It’s large enough, and compact/light enough. I use it way more than my M1 MBA.
Agree. I ditched the keyboard because of the weight and having a MacBook air. Using a tablet as a tablet is so much more engaging
4:05 Fun fact 101: Did you That the iPad Was the device that paved the way for the iPhone! Yeah, They left the iPad and created the first iPhone, then In 2010 officially Created the iPad.
iPad needs to playback 2 audio sources simultaneously. Little things like that are ridiculous and easy but Apple won’t allow that for some reason. I want to watch a tabata workout on RUclips and jam out to Apple Music.
I picked up the 11" M1 iPad Air 5 when it went on sale after the new iPads were released, and it's a great companion device to my MacBook Pro.
It’s taking the iPad off the keyboard is why I love the Magic Keyboard. I can use my iPad as a laptop or easily pop it off and use it as a tablet. I use it as both regularly, the versatility is what makes it such a key device for me
I agree with you about the problem of the price and the “need” of Promotion : I can’t live without it anymore either, the same with cellular. I’ve had the original iPad, then in cellular the iPad 2, the iPad Air 1, the iPad Pro 10.5 2017, and finally the iPad Pro 11 2020 with the pencil and the Magic Keyboard. It was the last one which costed less than 1000$. I use it without the keyboard most of the time but when I need to be productive on the go, it’s really magical. I really enjoy working and chilling with my iPad Pro. I don’t need a laptop, a Mac mini complete my set-up perfectly (M4 planned for next summer).
This take was actually useful. It clearly shows that Apple may have a value problem. The separation of the iPad line may be sub-optimal. Well i would simplify the lineup much more and ditch the keyboards for everything except the pros. 6 “iPad’s” in total. Air in 9, 11 inch and pro in 9, 11 inch. 13 inches will go away and be replaced by a new product line. Artboard in 14 and 17 inch. That would be simple.
I love my iPad (M1 pro) when I'm travelling for the same reasons. It's also great for music creation too. I don't use a keyboard with it on the whole. Business stuff is done on the desktop and I like it that way. Great video
My 90-year-old mother wouldn't get within 100 feet of anything that looks like a comptuer but she uses her iPad all day long. For my use case, I could easily ditch the iPhone for an iPad mini with the phone and Apple watch app. I use my Mac for the heavy-lifting work but 90% of what I do is on the iPad. I use the watch for my phone and music player. Given the trend for people to want bigger and bigger cell phones, I really would encourage Apple to move the iPad mini over to the iPhone lineup as the iPhone Ultra.
I literally just sold my 2020 Macbook Air today, to use my iPad Pro M2 as my main/only laptop (been doing that for a year now).
Works for some… works for me… and I’m a 40-year old nerd 🤓
Luke I’ve only ever used iPads solo. If I want a keyboard I’ll go to my Mac. But it’s so flexible - granted I sit 4 feet away from my Mac. I seamlessly swap between experiences all day long.
My 2020 iPad Pro (12") is my go-to tool in the classroom using Freeform and mirroring to the school's cleartouch boards.
Picked up an iPad pro 11 M1 two months ago, best bang for buck! Totally agree with your recommendation
iPad to me is basically just an extended display for my MacBook Pro, and a secondary handheld device with notifications disabled for when I don't want to be holding my phone, but want to sit on the couch and do less than I would on my MacBook or iPhone.
I always find myself taking the keyboard off when I pick up my ipad, especially when I'm relaxing in the recliner. Works great as just a tablet. On point as always.
The original iPad was meant to be used as an AirPlay remote device, a portable DVD replacement and an e-reader. It has no place trying to be a creative product.
Apple designed the tablet before the designed the phone. The iPhone was basically a small iPad (that hadn't even been introduced yet.
My sister tried to use her iPsd Pro (that she got as soon as the first one was released) as a computer replacement because it's just easier to use. But she ran into the problem that the text book publishers she was working with saw the iPad as an iPhone because they both used iOS. iPadOS has now fixed that.
I got my first iPad mini with Retina display as a media player, but I found that I was doing so much more with it.
I did get a Bluetooth keyboard but it was a piano keyboard.
I now have a regular typewriter-style keyboard I can use with my new iPad mini 7 but I never have. Likewise I got an Apple Pencil Pro (that I was hoping against hope that the new 7 would support) but I haven't used that yet either.
It's an iPad and I use it as an iPad. Yes, still as a media player so I got it with the max half a terabyte of storage, but I passed on the cellular. I'm rarely where I don't have access to wi-fi and I can always use phone tethering when I'm not.
For me the size is everything. It's big enough but never too big, crazy portable. What's ProMotion?
(Like I used to ask "What's Retina display?" -- I still have no trouble moving back and forth between Retina and non-Retina.)
I just have never seen the need for an iPad in my life. If I want an ultraportable device, I'm using my iPhone. If I want a larger screen, I'm using my MacBook Pro. No need for a really big iPhone in between those. Especially when the iPad costs as much as a MacBook, it just makes no sense to me. Just my 2 cents
I just bought a Lenovo P12 12.9" tablet. Great tablet. Came with a pen and cover (which is by far the nicest cover I've ever used for a tablet) and it cost me $350.00. Great screen. VERY fast and does almost everything that my 11" iPad Pro does (there are a couple of apps I like that are iOS only). Pen works very well and I couldn't be happier with my choice to buy it. There are other great tablets out there, you just have to look and sometimes, like I did with the Lenovo, take a chance. :D
Although they’d probably be scared to make it a senior citizen product, that may be one of the biggest untapped markets who could spend the money & don’t need the laptop functionality. A dock to rest the iPad on without plugging anything into it that is connected to a desktop setup (keyboard, mouse, monitor) would actually be a better setup for most retired people than a full computer, desktop or laptop.
When 1 bought a giant tablet for my mother then aged 70, she started having fun with computers. She had difficulties with double- clicking on a mouse button.
I think for a while Apple was honestly hoping people would transition over to iPad as a laptop replacement and they could slowly phase out Mac and have all Apple software run through the App Store. That wasn't successful as most consumers are still using the iPad for iPad things and not laptop things, so now we have seen in the last few MacOS updates, Apple steadily tightening the lid and creating more hoops to jump through if you want to run software not signed by Apple on MacOS. Regulation is a complex thing and it many times does a disservice to consumers or the market, but in the case of USB C and App store control, I am happy the EU is doing something.
"I think for a while Apple was honestly hoping people would transition over to iPad as a laptop replacement and they could slowly phase out Mac and have all Apple software run through the App Store. "
That can work for the consumer / home computer market. Not so for the professional market. Creative professionals and office workers still need Macs / PC's.
As someone, who owns both, a MacBook and IPad, I started to use mostly my Mac, bcc it is way for efficient for my types of work....I could so all that with my IPad but it would take me ages compared to my Mac...Should be noted, that I own a MacBook AIr M2 and normal IPad 8th generation. The power in the Mac is far superior, but I rarely use my IPad, unless for mediaconsumption, reader, light web-browsing and 2ndary device to my Mac, actually
As soon as the M4 Mac mini came out I sold my MacBook got a framework and am suddenly really satisfied with my M4 iPad Pro
Let’s make Apple’s entire lineup great again!
I have 11" iPad Pro M1 and we are basically using it with my whole family as a secondary device. I am using MacBook Pro 16" 36GB and will never need iPad as main device. When using the iPad I use it without accessories.
So many youtubers hate on the iPad just cause it don’t run MacOS. I love the iPad as it is! I ditched my macbook for an iPad Pro in 2018 and haven’t looked back. I couldn’t care less if it ever runs MacOS. I’m an artist, and not only is the macbook pro the best digital sketchbook ever invented, it also does everything my macbook used to do, only better. I edit all my photos & videos on it. I surf the web on it. I consume media on it. I love the touch interface so much more than using a laptop keyboard. It’s so natural and intuitive. I have fully transitioned to an iPad iOS only workflow. But I guess some youtubers will keep posting videos of how the iPad will suck until it can run MacOS.
I am on my third 11-inch iPad Pro 2nd gen. Yes, 2nd gen! This iPad does everything I need it to do. Why should I upgrade?
I got my iPad Pro 12.9 M1 a while ago. I'm a programmer and I use it as second screen via Sidecar, And it's really good for it, also I watch a lot of videos and movies on it, because it's much more convenient than on my 16 inch MacBook Pro. But can it replace me a laptop? The answer is no, it doesn't have an any IDE, and iPadOS, It's really not for such job. And some people can say just buy an iPad Air or smth cheaper, but like said Luke, ProMotion, I really can't live without it. Oh, and MiniLED, the screen looks much better than other screens, yeah, it's not an OLED, but still much better, than general panels. But the price, I really don't understand why it costs like MacBook Air and some versions even more.
I'll be honest, I was half expecting yet another "bring macOS to iPad" video. kudos for subverting expectations.
3:05 i truly agree, but that’s the reason why 800€ for an iPad Air is out of the world for me
OG iPad mini was goated.
The problem is that Apple still just arbitrarily prevents so much basic stuff from working on iPads so you are still forced to buy a Mac also. I mean they put the M4 chip (the most powerful processor Apple has ever made) in the iPad before any Mac, but they still won't let you open music files in the Music app. Wtf kind of psychopaths do that???
I have a 2022 iPad and I love it. Even though I don’t use it as much as I used to use iPads 6+ years ago. I would rather use my MacBook for the majority because doing something as simple as downloading and uploading something takes even longer on an iPad.
A folding iPhone would be a game changer for me and would reinvigorate an iPad like experience. I must take an iPhone and my 14 inch MBP with me most of the time when I travel. If I got a folding smartphone big enough to watch my shows on a plane then I would get a 16 inch MBP and just leave it in my bag. I just don't see why I would ever get a fixed size iPad anymore. I think they are great for artists, musicians and educators though but that's not me.
A 256GB iPad is $499. No chance of getting a new iPad with a Liquid Retina screen, ProMotion etc at that price. But a used or refurb M1 iPad (Pro or Air) is a great way to get a device that will last a long time.
I have an M1 11” iPad Pro with cellular. I hardly use it. I was thinking of upgrading to the M4 to get back into the iPad. I would like to use it as a document scanner.
My wife and I both have an iPad mini, we love them, we won't go back to the larger iPads!! The iPhone pro max screen is too small for reading on for any length of time and the iPad mini still fits in my pocket!!
If the iPad could curve and the bottom changes to a keyboard with haptic feedback and function as a laptop and tablet at the same time that would be stellar
Luke, you're actually quite incorrect about iPad artists being "satisfied." The ones who stick to their iPads may be satisfied, but those individuals don't have rigorous professional workflows. I spent my undergrad years as a digital artist using my iPad Pro as my main computer, and it was great... until it ended. Eventually, I realized that the creative industry uses desktop applications with UIs far too cluttered to ever fit on an iPad screen. iPads need to get bigger, and they need to function as Wacom Cintiq replacements for a Mac, in order to cement their place in the creative world. They certainly appeal to a lot of rising artists, and can work as portable canvases for artists on the go and in a pinch, but the vast majority of professional digital artists use large pen displays as their main workstations.
I use my tablet as a tv replacement, the iPad really lacks in this category. I switched to a Samsung Galaxy Tab A9+, which is perfect for that. Four speakers, Dolby Atmos, super cheap.
It's so easy for watching Netflix, Twitch, RUclips etc
I can agree with you on a lot of those points. But many tech reviewers will say I want the Mac OS experience on the iPad. And maybe they’re driving the technology.
The iPad is a great device for browsing, but not for “computing”. Using a spreadsheet on it is laborious. Switching apps is cumbersome.
It’s powerful now, but held back by software.
I have no need for a full on laptop or desktop setup and my iPad Pro does all I need and more than for my use. So going the iPad route for me was a no brainer.
iPad2 back in like 2011 was 10/10
I always find it funny when some people expect an iPad to be able to replace the MacBook. Especially when they think iPad Pro shouldn’t be called “Pro” if it doesn’t do MacOS stuff. iPad Pro is Pro because it is designed for professional artists, especially professional digital artists. No one expects a professional artist to do accounting well, so if you need to do professional accounting, get a Mac.
I bought my new Ipad with the intension of never using it with a magic keyboard. I went with this weird hybrid frankenstein monster instead. I've got my ipad pro, a mac mini, a stand alone keyboard, mouse and the thing that pulls it all together, the luna display adapter. I think this is the best possible setup for someone who wants the MacOS experience but also genuinely enjoys a traditional ipad experience.
I am perfectly happy with my iPad, 9 Generation. Yes, it’s just a tablet and that’s why I enjoyed it. Thanks for a great video. In total agreement!!
Started using iPads nigh exclusively in 2017 (I’m 50 years old now if that matters), moving to totally exclusively by 2018. Never owned an Air nor Pro yet.
I do everything on them, including music creation/production.
When I force myself to TRY to use my Win or Mac laptops now…they feel…ancient, clunky, slow and cumbersome and that everything about Win11 and modern MacOS is getting in my way.
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Give me ipadOS and even a ‘basic’ iPad and I feel free and absolutely far faster and more creative and more productive!
(No keyboard nor pencil nor mouse….just the iPad all alone!)
I still maintain that in order for the iPad "pro" to have actually been pro level to differentiate itself from the standard models, it needed a tablet friendly build of MacOS. But apple will never do that because then it'll cannibalize MacBook air sales. I sold my m1 iPad pro because it simply wasn't suited for professional tasks I needed it to do, even though the hardware itself was more than capable. My vision was to be able to do everything i needed on a "pro" tablet, avoiding the need to have a laptop at all. But it just never panned out that way and the limitations were far too numerous for the device to be useful to me. If being "pro" is not the vision, then they frankly should have named it differently.
Never say never. I actually think a tablet-friendly build of macOS is coming. macOS is looking more and more like "ipadOS Pro" every year.
With your point about the M1 iPad Pro and ProMotion- my first 120hz device was the iPhone 16 pro. I got it pretty soon after it came out, and what's interesting is that I only notice the difference between it and my 60hz devices after having used it for a few months. It's like my eyes have been trained to notice it. Now, does it improve my life that it has a higher refresh rate? No, it's a phone. Does it make all my other devices feel worse in comparison? Absolutely.
My point is that 120hz only makes a difference after you've already made the jump. I would be just fine if I got the normal 16 instead, and most people would be fine if they got the 10th gen iPad instead of the M1 iPad Pro
I have a 6th gen ipad and it works perfectly for my needs: browsing, yt, mail, etc I plan to use it until it dies
I don’t understand tech tubers take on the iPad. It’s a tablet it always have been. For some people might also replace their computer but it’s not an computer replacement
Good video! When tablets became popular I didn’t think that the trend would last. I was sure people would forget tablets and iPads soon. I couldn’t understand why would people want to use something that was bigger than smartphone and smaller than laptop to do things smartphone and laptop do. But then when they just became more and more popular I finally decited to try one. I bought 7” Asus Nexus Android tablet. It was fun toy to play with but I didn’t like it as much as I hoped I would. Then when Nexus got slower and slower and finally wouldn’t work at all I bought iPad Air 1. And I fell in love! It was so much better in everything! I did almost everything with it. Smartphone and laptop got used less and less. And also TV. Finally I sold TV and used my iPad Air 1 as my TV. It was amazing! It had only 32 Gb storage and it became slower over time. BUT when iOS got updates it got faster again and everything on it used less space than before updates. After years of use I bought iPad Air 2 with 256 Gb storage. I’m using it right now to write this. I use this iPad every day for 3-10 hours to watch RUclips, movies, series and to listen to music and browse web etc. I love this device! This is the best tech I’ve ever bought!
Same, I couldn't make sense of the iPad when it came out. I had a couple netbooks (one in my glove compartment) for when I needed something portable. I couldn't fathom why people would give up a desktop OS and a physical keyboard for a touch screen. This explains why I'm horrible about predicting the future of technology. I love my iPad mini and use it daily. I also love my Mac Studio with 4 displays. And my MacBook Air 15". Good thing I didn't make decisions about Apple products!!!