NYSL CHAMPS, FaZe CHOKERS, OpTic PROBLEMS?! 😨 Dope Check Ep. 27 w/ Rab, Ace & Trei
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- Опубликовано: 15 июл 2024
- Episode 27: New York Subliners win CDL Major 4, with Atlanta FaZe silver surfing again. OpTic Texas place Top 12, and Toronto Ultra get slammed out on Sunday again. Are the eight teams to have made the world championship the best teams in the world?
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Timestamps:
00:00:00 Intro
00:02:08 Major 4 Recap
00:06:06 LAN League?
00:17:18 Major 4 Discussion
00:18:46 MVP Discussion: Simp vs HyDra
00:34:11 OpTic Texas🟢
00:40:29 Vikul vs OpTic Feud
00:45:31 OpTic Player Tweets
01:00:53 Pred's in-game decisions
01:06:26 OpTic's SnD Issues
01:15:11 Clayster vs Scrap Drama
01:20:46 Carolina Royal Ravens🔵
01:23:51 Boston Breach
01:25:51 ROKKR 🟣
01:29:46 Pre-EWC Rostermania?
01:39:21 Las Vegas Legion 🟠
01:44:46 LAG Discussion 🟪
01:48:46 Estreal ROTY?
01:54:26 Ultra vs NYSL
01:57:41 NYSL Discussion🟡
02:12:31 Atlanta Faze🔴 (long discussion)
02:43:41 Champs Bracket
02:47:26 Outro
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NYSL CHAMPS, FaZe CHOKERS, OpTic PROBLEMS?! 😨 Dope Check w/ Rab, Ace & Trei
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Trei thinking that’s a faded take is insane lmao.
If the argument is the biggest carry, or best player on the hardest role, or most valuable to the team, we go Hydra. This is the most objective definition of MVP.
If the argument is best player on the best team, or results without context and ignoring circumstances, then Simp is your guy. This is the definition the CDL usually goes for.
It’s to be noted it’s way easier for simp to get high stats, end higher in events and to stay consistent. H
It’s always leaned more on best player on best team unless the hard carry is just so insane it can’t be looked over which is hydra last year. Hydra this year is same as scump bo2 and ghosts, might’ve been the best player but the team hasn’t been good enough throughout the whole year for him to win mvp over simp or scrap
Truth is the best player major 1 was cell simp major 2 major 3 and even 4 was Drazah until the finals
1. "results without context and ignoring circumstances" elaborate on this point
2. Hydra and simp both play the hardest/same role, just bc nysl tends to not play well collectively doesn't mean hydra's better than simp
Furthermore, how's it easier for simp to get higher stats and end higher in events? Isn't he shooting against the same pros as hydra?
@@Ghostisback24444major 4 was clearly hydra. They were saying that in major 3 as well. Dude was averaging a 1.7 against everyone. Flank was saying whoever has hydra on their team, always has a chance to win. Dude single handedly gave the tiny terrors ptsd
@@Chozendontmisslook at his teammates. You don't think they do more damage or make it harder for the opposition? Idiots like you and trey 😂. Simp has one match where he did the highest damage on his team. Hydra has done it except for 4 series
Pred definitely got way too gassed when they won Major 3. Still confident that with the 2/3 weeks available they should be able to do sth with their SnD
Think OpTic will bounce back for Champs. Home event, and a serious reality check after Major 4.
W for rab mentioning BO3 in the first 5 mins ❤
Major W
Rookie of the YEAR is Gwinn. Leads in every stat amongst the rookie class. Regardless of not making champs in a TEAM game the best overall performance for a rookie throughout the YEAR is Gwinn. Any other take is insanely faded
You stand alone on this he literally didn’t qualify because of the guys he’s in contention with. Estreal is the reason gwinn isn’t at champs. Gwinn also wasn’t as consistent as you think and ravens were out placed all year. He doesn’t even contend with abuzz let alone estreal
@@kam5539 is ROTY not a direct comparison of the individual performances between the rookies in the league throughout the entire season? Because Gwinn leads the rookie class in damn near every stat including slayer rating which is a pretty good indicator of map to map impact. I’m sorry but across the board Gwinn was better than the rest of the rookies. His AR duo was dropping 0.6’s online and that’s not his fault. I watched this kid 1v4 NYSL for Christ sake
@@kam5539So Gwinn is a worse player because players who aren’t Gwinn (mainly clay) are shit and costed their team multiple series throughout the year which meant they missed out on champs quali by a couple series wins……..😂
Gwinn didn’t do much on lan tbh
@@x3P1CF41LUR3xyeah but online matches really sway those numbers Gwinn wasn’t nearly as good as he was online and he wasn’t as good as estreal on lan plus i think estreal has the highest kd against t4 teams than any other rookie. I way lan more than online so I got estreal
Ace definitely cooked Trei on the MVP talk. Rab had that EU bias defending his UK buddy
breaking up the faze trio is gonna break me man. Run it up one more season w/ Draz again
If don't win Champs for 3 years in a row, it'll be one of the biggest "what-ifs" in COD of all time. If they win Champs, they probably stick.
@@BreakingPointGG yeah I get that for sure. I had them winning at least one more major if not champs. Just been following those guys in particular since MW19, so it’ll just be an insane end of an era hahah
Lmfao the amount of time trei directly counters his own arguments is fucking hilarious. Hydra isn’t mvp but then goes on to say that he consistently has to pick up peoples slack and do more because his teammates are doing less.(still same kd as simp) 😂😂
Trei is a tool. Simple
Hydra is clearly the most “valuable” player. At the end of the day, each team WON 1 event. Idgaf how many seconds or thirds you got.. we remember the winners not the runner ups. Paco won as much as anyone in the league with having the heaviest backpack to carry
@@tyrich1914 I think scrap might take it. You take him off Toronto and they’re nowhere near as good. Man is a walking 1.4 and most damage and engagements in every lobby as a flex lol.
he didnt have the same kd as simp at major 4 lan and got top 12th in m1. hydra is NOT the mvp lmfao
@@stavanvaghela6122 same kd on the year dumbass. But yeah it’s probably scrap or simp. Hydra wasn’t even the best player on the team when they won.
Hydra deserved MVP simply because he has not had a bad game this whole major 4 split. Every respawn for him was 30+ kills. Simp deserves MVP because his performance have been spectacular the whole year. Faze didn't win so simp doesn't get that award.
Thank y’all for making my work day go by so much quicker w the episodes
We are for the working man. Appreciate the gas.
FAZE,are the biggest chokers in sports in the world 🌎🌍🎮🎮🎮🎮
So imagine being the majority of teams that always choke against them..
@iLLeysScriptDealer just not on Sunday?
I look forward to listening to these with studying, always fire yall keep up the grind!
Hydra is doing way more then simp simp has great teammates around him lmao hydra carry’s a whole ass team there’s levels to this
hydra is not doing more than simp, simps OBJ stats are far superior what are you on about
acting like Hydra doesn’t have Sib & kismet lmao. both were frying this event
@@ZerofromPHXTHIS EVENT YEA THIS YEA NO
44:15 had me in bits, "next thing i know, ive got no legs" 😂
I think something people don’t understand about comms, is we’re trying to hear and understand 4 people at the same time. They’re individually hearing 25% less shit than we are, and that drastically changes how hectic they seem.
Love the podcast breaking point an hopefully one day I could be on the podcast talking all my shit to some teams ❤😂
We do the show live on stream and will do a Q&A for the Champs ep. Appreciate you!
@@BreakingPointGG alright sounds good do I have to join any discord?
20:00 Zero was getting his shit pushed in with that argument
Brotha absolutely loves the silver surfers
Guarantee Hydra has more wins at the end of his career than Simp
With recent bias is much more important that people think. The game evolves as the player learns to play the game better. So just because a team is shitting on people in the beginning of a game doesnt mean they will for sure be at the top at the end of the year
There's value to picking up the game quickly and also finding an edge late into the game cycle. We're seeing that now with certain players/teams :)
They can spread qualifiers on a Lan setup between different cities. One in toronto, then one in LA, one in Texas. And have it piggyback with whatever city the upcoming major is in. Teams could be there for a month straight, then go somewhere else for a month straight. Something
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Ace, your take on Faze not understanding pressure cz they dont experience as much as other team may be one of the greatest takes. That is such a unique perspective that I reckon truly would have such a major impact. Biggest brain.
Another dope check another W
40 minutes on Optic 😂 we literally are him
Clayster had that look like he was ready to scrap, scrap
Respect to clay
Ace is right on the MVP take, when NYSL or Ultra lose the whole narrative is "can we get this person some help". Scrap and Hydra are more valuable to their team than Simp.
Ace is going to get so much dope reading the comments to this ep
ace wouldn't call for lamar to get dropped unless he planned on retiring so peace out lamah thank god
No cap I really enjoy ur guys episodes… I know I’m always shit talking ace but the vibes work.
Actually I take it back… I commented this at 1am and I was delusional. Ace was yapping again in this episode. By Aces metrics, saying essentially that you can’t be MVP with a good team around you, Ghosty should be the MVP.
Also what happened to Rokkr 😂😂😂😂
Rab did Ace's intro this week we need Trei's take on in next week😂
rab intro caught me off guard
Faze were just as consistent last year as this year and that was with simp playing average so to act like simp is the main reason that team is good is crazy.
So what’s the reason for wanting to keep episodes shorter again? I really liked how you guys just went as long as you needed to go and didn’t feel rushed. 4 hours or more is better for us people working
they like ten minutes shorter than usual lol
@@kylar_roddy I feel like they had way longer ones tbh.
Rab and Trei are on UK time. We might try starting the episodes earlier in the offseason, but they have video recording and streaming schedules
@@BreakingPointGG thank you for clarifying tbh makes sense. All good. 👍🏼
W show 🎉
Ace bringing up zeros take on simp without abezy, but would nysl won if kis wasnt frying like hydra? Absolutely not
Pointing out the gaps in his ways of thinking is just tiring at this point
@@AlwaysEwok 🤣🤣
I wonder how many of FaZe’s finals lost was with them in winners and no second chance.
Major 4, they beat New York 3-0 WR1 and lost 4-2 in grand finals with no second best of 7 again.
Needs to be considered
As a former Stocksmen hater I gotta say, Ace has grown on me 🤷♂️
Good looks
I need the show year round if at all possible ❤ once a week at least would be nice. I genuinely look forward to these. The flank used to be my favorite but the biases annoy me a lot. Here the biases are almost non-existent
Appreciate the gas!
Holy shot first time I will ever admit ace cooked trei… hydra is 1. More important to team 2. The most impactful player In cod 3. Clearly a better POV than simp.
Ace will print this and frame this
Eye test paco wins Rab, I know you agree
Its up for debate, its not clear
“clearly a better POV than simp”
A. that’s unjudgable
B. you clearly don’t watch the minimal when simp plays
C. that in no way is a metric of MVP
just stop talking lol kid
@@GeoSmuckers ❄
Goats 🐐
Faze take is faded if you’re that good then you find a way to win regardless of how many high pressure situations you’ve been in
I think Simp and Abezy are the best smg duo of all time but am I the only one that think the smg duo can over chall a little too much in high pressured situations? Abezy had like 124 deaths bro that has to mean something
Wasn't there a point at the beginning of the year where Shotzzy was the one making space for Pred to play the way he wanted? Which was when Shotzzy wasn't playing very well. For the last couple of majors Pred's been making space for Shotzzy? or am I faded?
No, parasite had been calling out coaches for a year now on the flank. Same sentiment as you guys. We can only judge the teams formed for so long before we start to look at the management forming these teams and making these choices
No chance in hell that you wanna drop Lynnz if you’re RØKKR management. Just because you don’t make Champs with him doesn’t mean you should drop him
Only good things about major 4. Is champs looks wide open and very competitive imo. Ultra and nysl can out slay faze when they are on it. Optic are just washed. Hope some lower teams show up again at champs.
I think that pred play was bad, but it was a response to criticism of his play style. People have been critical of him laying in prone and not pushing enough, and so subconsciously he’s trying to be more aggressive. Bad play because he’s in his head.
“MVP isn’t the best player on the best team” -Ace, isn’t wrong but it’s not completely true. He is looking at it as the “most valuable to their team”, when the award is the most valuable player in the league. This means, regardless of what team they’re on or who they play with, they will be the most valuable on any squad, not compared to the players they’re with. You could replace any sub player with simp (hydra included) and get the same or better result. Just because his teammates are also good and the team might still yield results without him, doesn’t mean he’s not the most valuable player in the league.
I think there's definitely 2 schools of thought to MVP, and Europeans (soccer) and Americans have different ways of looking at it. Jayson Tatum wouldn't win MVP, but if the definition is "Best Player on Best Team," he might have won it this year over Jokic. Appreciate the thoughtful comment.
Kenny is there to win the rest are there for vibes and when they win they lose focus
Ace is right whats so hard for Trei to get. MVP doesnt mean the best player in the league. Its Hydra or Scrap
The way I look at MVP in every sport is if at the end of the year every team was forced to blow it up and have a draft, who’s going No 1 Overall. I think it’s ridiculous to argue Simp isn’t the best in the game. Until we get voters fatigue him and Abe have MVP on lock unless someone has an insane year like Paco did last year.
I like this ngl
Trei looks emotional
Losing is the quickest way to ruin a teams chemistry
Keep calling faze the best but somehow they still have the same amount of chips as optic since VG and everyone sh its on optic
Hydra>>>
attach nero gwinn ghosty LAT next year would be a great team and not expensive.
You CANT HEAR CELL. you hear, “yellow yellow yellow” “red red red red” “one shot one shot” there’s NO small talk with him. Even if you understood everything he said, there’s no small talk. Plain callouts. It’s okay because he’s a fucking robot and can’t be killed. The best mechanical player ever
I think that’s what people are referring to when say Cell’s comms can improve. There’s a difference between “comming just what you see” (red, yellow, one shot) and “comming to direct the flow of the game and the team” (small talk, etc). Thanks for the thoughtful comment.
Shotzzy hydra simp scrap, book it 2025 world champs 👍🏻🤞🏻
If faze would have won it woulda been a Mickey Mouse chip
I'm thinking scrap is going to get MVP. Only because of his impact to his team. Unless he washes in chamois
yes activision might have the money, but why would they dump it into something they don't see the return on
Ace is the new Ben j
faze got 3rd at champs last year then 2nd at major 1 then 1st at major 2 . The cycle is in .Faze up
ACE dominated trei in the mvp debate ngl
Bro trei gotta lock in
I honestly think the problem with optic is the culture in the background, individually optic have had some of the strongest teams since the dynasty but they have serious problems winning even with three parts of the dynasty with crim scump and karma, dashy has not got winners mentality I don’t think but he suits the brand shottzzy is incredible but needs an enabler, ag I think the pressure has got to him, Kenny’s never been good online but always turns up on lan
They stopped being a dominant winner the exact season scump fell from best SMG in the game to just one of the best SMG’s in the game. Optic shouldn’t be expected to be some insane dominant winning team until at least they have that clear mvp winning player again which they haven’t for years
@AlwaysEwok your missing my point if you think I'm expecting them to be anything close to the dynasty, my point is that this current 4 players are the best set since then and they still can't seem to make it work with any squad since the dynasty, they should still be a top 2 or 3 team every season and they aren't that'd my point which is why it's clear that it's something deeper than just the players
@@UKStudiosNE My point is that ‘making it work’ is winning an event or 2 which they’ve done in vanguard and now this year, no teams get the consistency with winning without being stacked along with the best player in the game which they don’t have so I think it’s an unfair expectation
@@AlwaysEwok is it? Because the same can't be said for faze, nysl, Toronto, to say its "worked" would be to not change up the roster even faze do that every year, nysl did that after winning 2 majors and champs, optic and faze should always be seek8ng to finish minimum top 3 with at least one major and another grand finals, but not finish top 12 at an event, my point isn't that they have to win it all to be considered "working" but to not finish in shocking positions after every win, optic haven't gotten a squad to work well for a season since they won champs, it dosnt correlate with scumps prime drop off it correlates with the dynasty split, the mentality between both karma and crim is what made the dynasty work so well, optic are missing that and have been ever since, but I also believe in part those guys did less content and focused more on the game play than the current guys do and the previous guys, optic need to balance the content with competition better, hecz speaking to fans as if everything's gonna be alright after losing to Boston scump blaming snd directly after bottling 100 po8nt lead in hardpoint, there's things going on in the culture of optic that have been toxic to there chances of dominance or even being the top team for years and years the dynasty managed to escape that, the culture at optic is to entertain not win
@@UKStudiosNE Optic were the best team winning the most events in bo1 and mw3 because they had the best player in each title(jkap then scump) before they ever had karma or crim and won events against fariko and the complexity dynasty when it was scump+Hecz friends and yes their drop off absolutely correlates with scumps drop off from IW to WW2 literally every stat says so and the eye test is clear that they just lacked the star power they had in the previous years unless crim and karma just forgot how to play cod that year since it’s all them. Karma left and proceeds to win nothing, crim and scump split and won the same number of LAN events and scump didn’t even have to team jump to play with the best players every year😂 crim then also gets dropped from a team that goes on to win 3 events including champs but sure he’s the sole reason optic won before him, with him and after him👍
Optic getting over gassed by fans and regressing after a major win isn’t the point you originally made but yes that’s obviously an issue but same way this faze team with 3x top 10 players at minimum every year can’t win finals optic can’t repeat🤷♂️ Optic are victims of their own success with the dynasty, no other fanbase blindly expects multiple event wins every year except faze and coincidence both ‘underachieve’ by your standards of dynasty or bust
I said this a while ago under one of Rab's videos but we should scrap the 4 sets of 5 weeks of online matches (20 weeks) and 4 weeks of LAN. Instead of 24 weeks where 20 are seen as less important, we have 12 weeks of LANs (a different team could host each week) spread out to be every other week. These LANs are for both prize money and seeding points for champs. Finally, the top 8 teams get to go to champs and it plays as it does now. I feel this will be better for players, the viewing experience will be more enjoyable, and will remove all the issues that come with the online matches.
If Optic does not make finals, Formal is 100% on Optic next year.
Ace…..Bron left Cleveland twice to ring chase…..horrible comparison
OpTic winning champs it’s clear as day
MVP is most valuable player to a teams success and the most successful teams most valuable player is the MVP
FaZe TFFF UPPPP...GO NEXT
The guy with his hat backwards needs a reality check! Who tf he think he is (:
The Notorious A.C.E. 🧀
Bro if faze drop cell he goes and forms Fomal Crim v2 in Toronto with Scrap
Lets be real, Faze choked so hard like usual under pressure. They have the best team, Skyz and Sib are super unreliable to slay and win gunfights most games, Sib goes craaaaazy sometimes, but sometimes isn't enough when on a team with Hydra and Kissy.
FaZe is still the far SUPERIOR team in the league
Bro ace needs to fix his tone , he has his point but he can convey it like a normal person
Faze chokers?? Didn't optic get dead last lmaooooooo😂😂😂
As far as the MVP argument goes. To me it’s Most Valuable Player period.
Not Most Valuable Player to your team.
So if I was a commissioner of one of the CDL teams, and I could drop any of my players for one player…it would be Simp in a heartbeat. Might not be the Most Valuable Player to his team, but is the Most Valuable Player period.
I disagree. If you take simp and put him on the Boston breach I don't think simp can win them a series by himself. Hydra literally had a Boston breach team and has won them series by himself.
@@paulmason140 😂 bro stop. Skyz, Kis, and Sib are 100x better than the Bleach lineup
@huskerdee1431 let's compare. I would argue that beans is better than sib priestah is better than skyz and snoopy has been better than kis this season. I mean. That's just facts.
@@paulmason140 dude you might need to go get your head scanned 😂
@huskerdee1431 i mean priestah is the winningest player in the cdl beans was literally frying peoples shit which is more than sib lmao lil man was costing his team. And kismet was literally a walking .6 all year. Snoopy actually had great series and showed a lot of good signs
as someone from butt fuck Idaho, you don’t want it here
Idaho has a lot of great collegiate esports. You could be doing worse!
You can talk about where there kd are as a team but kismet was 99 kis at this event so don’t act like hydra did it by himself 😊
sib was frying too
Yo Tre got smoked by who’s MVP and had no good punch back
my face looked just like trei's listening to ace delusional take that simp has no say for mvp
W
Is trei okay?
Simp drops a 1.4 on any team
How you mvp when you are 2-9 in finals
Optic and faze both have 2 event wins in 3 years🤣 optic blow it up because that ain’t good enough whereas faze are happy being silver surfers😂😂
Kenny is probably sick of how bad pred is (hella overrated, no ice no iq just baits teammates, no one picked it up on surge because its surge no one cares about them, playing in a big team has exposed him) and dashy 3 wins in 7 years, another overrated player time to go
I like vikul
Pred dashy out hydra scrap in
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Im going to champs just spit on vikul
😂😂
Add this guy to the no-fly list 🤣
Idc Lamar I wanna see in bo6 why idk sign him BOSTON
hydra is clear cut the MVP knock it off please, someone tell trei to zip up simp’s pants when he’s done 😂 cornball..
Yall gotta stop The ace yap or drop him
Ace is love, Ace is life. We are never dropping the handsome, yapparific pookie bear
Nobody wants to live in Columbus lol... Also not to mention its easier to pick up and move when your single and young but imagine forcing all your staff to move them and their families just for LAN matches with no audience. The fix isnt to make it a LAN league. Its to fix the format. Watching 3 trash matches in a day isnt it. Less LAN random matches and more tournaments like back in the day.
Hydra is not mvp... Just stop.
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Trei is right. it’s Simp, Scrap, Hydra. if you watch the minimap Simp is always making the right play
if the core trio splits, wherever Abe lands will be the better team imo