Porsche 718 Cayman 2.0 Ep 6 - Manual with PASM & Sport Chrono vs the Base
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Nov 11, 2021 UPDATE! I just received confirmation from the Porsche 718/911 program boss Frank-Steffen Walliser - the 718 has only two engine mappings. So the Sport+ on a Manual car combines Normal engine mode with stiffer PADM and PASM. I also want to add that the rev-matching can not be deactivated by changing the PSM mode.
Does the manual two-liter Cayman need the Sport Chrono Package or the adaptive suspension? How these options transform the character of the simplest Porsche there is?
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Nov 11, 2021 UPDATE! I just received confirmation from the Porsche 718/911 program boss Frank-Steffen Walliser - the 718 has only two engine mappings. So the Sport+ on a Manual car combines Normal engine mode with stiffer PADM and PASM. I also want to add that the rev-matching can not be deactivated by changing the PSM mode.
As an owner of a base 19 Cayman manual with no SC and PASM, I enjoyed this video. As an avid youtube fan and car content consumer, I loved this video. Keep it up, great quality. There is not a lot of good content on the base 718.
Thanks!
How long have you had your base Cayman? Hard to find guys that buy the base model and not PDK S or GT models.
Excellent video, a lot better than the reviewers of cars who feel they need to laugh like hyenas every time they accelerate.
fair comment, seeing that on video get’s boring instantly, however as someone who recently had a first drive in a 992 turbo, launch mode is properly ridiculously savage, and it’s hard NOT to react like that the first few times you experience it.
In response for comments on Sports + mode. I purchased a 2021 718 Cayman T (manual) in May and now have 10200 miles. I’ve tried all modes in every possible combination. Sports mode dumps more gas in for crackles and pops on over-run, which is why the valve are open by default with Sports Exhaust. Sports + doesn’t open up the valves as soon. The reason, according to the Porsche dealership is to maintain turbo boost pressure at lower RPMs that would be lost to the exhaust valve being open. There is a PASM “Sport” mode that you did not cover in the video. This is enabled by deactivating the traction control, which is done by holding down TC button for 5 seconds. More rear tire spin is allowed and the back end rotates nicely when under power slide. I have not spun the car. Some TC may still be on. However, PASM Sport permits a drift style of driving. I believe this is the best mode for sports driving. Also, the 2.0 turbo loves octane! I run 1/3rd tank 101 octane and the car is noticeably quicker. No problem to smoke the tires on launch with Sports + and PASM Sport modes on.
Thanks for your insight!
@@ForeverManual You put together great videos and I have learned so much about 718. Thank you for the excellent content.
The shots and videography is some of the best I have seen, you made an incredible video!
What a great video 👍🏻
Thanks Nick! Got your musical message 🤣
Mike, Watching your video on the 718 is a breath of fresh air! So honest in your analysis and what beautiful videography. Thanks and keep them coming. I currently drive a BMW but feel a Porsche 718 is in my future and your discussion of the various options helps sort out what is truly important. As you mentioned, when I see a base Cayman in a dealership with so many exclusive options it adds up to over $85k I just cringe.
Thanks!
Great perspective on the base Cayman, which is really rare to find these days. Looking forward to learn more about your experience.
I have a 2017 718 manual with sport chrono. I have been driving it for 2 years and learned so much from this video today. Thank you for the extensive detail.
Cheers!
Excellent video. There’s nothing out there that compares things like this. Everyone seems to only focus on GT cars and higher trims. Thank you
You are welcome 🤗
Your closing thoughts are spot-on. Thank you.
Pure joy. Story, speech, video and sound quality.Thank you. However, because I've been following you for the last 15 years, I miss those crisp metaphors, which you typically add to your Russian reviews. Like in 911R, when you have compared gear change with gun reloading and etc. I think that it makes a very strong technical review with some "human in the machine" feeling. Eventually, it helps the audience better understand what you are dealing with. wish you good luck. subscribed.
Check out my Instagram post regarding the seats comparison if you missed it - instagram.com/p/CTPPj4iI66A/
These videos are fantastic! Thank you.
Your videos are outstanding. Very informative and detailed w/o fluff. Great job. The engine mapping in sport vs sport plus was a revelation to me. I agree, why? I own a base 981 manual with 14 way seats, premium package, PDLS, ventilated/heated seats, sound plus, nav in Agate Grey... no PASM, SC or sport exhaust. I love the ride just as it is. I plan on some PCA autocross events in the near future but just for fun. Added Fabspeed exhaust tips and PPF. Love the car for sure.
Thanks for sharing!
Excellent video. I always find your content very informative and as someone who plans on speccing a new one, it is the detailed explanations that are so valuable. It will save me time and money and for that I thank you. Lastly, the quality of the videos is getting to be excellent (they were good from the start). Keep up the great work. Greeting and thanks from Canada :)
Thanks 🤗
What an incredible series. Thank you.
Thank you!
Excellent episode - in fact whole series in great. Thanks!
Such incredible contents! That’s what I wanted to know. Thank you so much.
Great review! I recently drove a 2018 Cayman base with 6-speed manual gearbox and no performance options and found it to be an excellent car on the street and on the twisty roads.
Finally some information on that fancy sounding stuff! I was unable to find that information about the suspension and chrono package for weeks now. Thank you!
Cheers!
Love ur videos man!!! Vey honest and to the point. Thanks
Thanks!
Great video. I love the manual and my only decision to make is between the base and S model. Thank you, your videos are the few on the Cayman with a stick.
You are welcome 🤗
The sports chrono clock is one of the best novelties from the brand, period!
I had a spicy burrito in 2002. It was damn good. Blew up the toilet later though
Good video 👍 As a self-professed 981 expert I agree with your point of view.
Excellent commentary and analysis. Cheers!
Great video, keep it up! Also I'd totally buy one of those "forever manual" stickers 👀
Dear Mike! I want to congratulate you on your channel! Filling a gap! I’m planning a Cayman purchase, I discovered this place by accident two months ago. Unfortunately, it is not possible to try the basic model in small markets. In Hungary, there is not even a manual transmission that can be tested as a car at the moment. I want a basic car.
Anyway, I will often use nearby trips in the Balaton Uplands. Narrow, winding, sometimes bad-surfaced, but wonderful. But he also often visits the magnificent passes of the Italian and Austrian Alps. There is also a lot of highway and main road driving. This makes my dilemma more understandable. Lower ground clearance is not a problem for me.
My question is mostly about PASM.
I use the basic AR Giulia for daily driving! :-) Great car! It's already the second. The 1cm higher suspension was certainly felt as I sat from the old car to the new one. The old narrow, base tires slipped sooner, but the drift remained much more controllable. The newer one stands higher (why ???) and I feel less easy to steer, otherwise the rear axle starts with the wider tires, less collected. I can feel the center of gravity change of the whole car. I don't like that feeling.
My question is, does PASM interfere with these rolls artificially, or does it just lower the center of gravity causing smaller body rolls?
I like to feel that I or my car is in control right now. A sense of speed is just as important to me as a driver involvement.
As far as I can tell the PASM can change the damping settings for each strut individually according to the load. Therefore it does have a certain anti-rolling and anti-diving effect.
@@ForeverManual Thank you very much for your quick reply! Then I probably won’t configure it, even if I like to sit closer to the ground.
I think engineers can come up with a single good compromise solution for a sharper car. Moving something up or down without changing important chassis elements involves changing the geometry. This causes the compromise to disintegrate.
All that was left was to try the basic session. The cars on sale are all Sport plus seats. I need to ask someone for the test who has a car with basic seats.
I look forward to the next performance on your channel!
first time seeing your video - really good, helpful, useful content, and your english is excellent! I am seriously considering a base 718. I live in canada, and my local dealer has to order the car from germany, so you can spec it however you want which is great. I am thinking of just keeping it simple. It will not be my daily driver, and I won't do track days, but I love to go for spirited drives in the country on weekends, so it will be manual and basic.
Although many said it before I have to tell you that I loved that video. Very informative. What I didn't understand really is, how the difference in the steering feel between these two cars comes. Both had Power Steering Plus?
I am watching videos before getting mine next week. I didn't option the Power Steering Plus because I like a heavy steering feel. And I also couldn't test drive the car before buying it. Not that any Cayman were at my local dealer. Only once so that I tested the seating position because I am quite tall...
Thanks. Yes, both cars in the video have it and yet they feel different, although the margin is small. People who don’t have PSP write to me that they would like to have it at the end, because the steering is heavier mostly during parking when most of us don’t want it to be. Fortunately it’s one of those features that can be retrofitted by your local dealer later upon request🤗
Need more content sir. It’s that good.
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Funny ref the sports plus set up. I find myself driving mostly in that mode and use the pdk in manual mode. Sounds better without the pops and more responsive for me. For general cruising l always have it in sport mode for the deep base tone l get from my straight pipe exhaust set up. Freeway driving is always in normal mode in auto for low revs, fuel consumption & low cabin noise. (16 718BS)
the final conclusion, for me, is extremely unexpected. i don't thinked about how the dealer demo-car made me wish more options. And I don't think that it's a politics of Porsche, may be it's our dealers feature (in our country) - to sell you more options. May be it's a result of second-hand market, where more option's auto have a higher price. I don't know, but it can be. Sorry about my English, my Russian better )))))
It sounds even better in English :D, ty!
"Why would you do that?" Re: linear throttle in sport+. From my perspective I can't understand why anyone would want to have a non-linear throttle, which is what sport mode and a ton of aftermarket things do. If I want more throttle I'll push more, I don't need a throttle that the last half of the throttle does virtually nothing because it just made 0-40% behave like 0-80%. It also means you have finer control, so if you want to give it a little throttle out of a corner, sport mode mapping might give too much and you'll lose the back end. Non-linear throttle maps just make you THINK the car is faster, but really its taking away fine control. Sport+ also gets rid of the fake pops/bangs which in my opinion is a good thing, as i don't like them. I do agree not being able to properly deactivate Rev Matching is silly. Not sure what's going on with the clutch differences. There shouldn't be anything different.
Thanks for sharing. Things that you’ve said would totally make sense if there was any idea behind S+ on a manual car. However, as you can see in the pinned comment, there is none. It’s basically a blank preset left from sharing a programming with a PDK car. So the rest is only a projection of what you believe S+ is good for🤷🏻♂️
@@ForeverManualthere must be a language barrier here. My car is a manual. I've not said there are different engine mappings as far as power goes, however it does change things even on the manual. An obvious few being throttle maps and removing fake exhaust pops and bangs and rev matching (and engine mounts etc). You may not value those things, that's why it's an option that everyone is free to choose or not but you can't claim it does nothing for a manual car. The way you speak about it makes it sound like you have an issue with it's existence which just makes you sound like you're trying too hard to justify not spending the money on it to yourself.
I read your first comment more carefully - fair point on linearity for some people, thanks.
The problem is that I don’t feel Normal mode to be that linear. Not that the Sport is any better in this regard, but it’s more responsive and I feel more in control on slow corner exits.
And I don’t need the throttle to do anything else for the second half of the pedal travel but to stay open on the track.
What I don’t understand is what happens with the PSE valve in S+. It sounds like it stays closed, although it would block big chunk of exhaust system from being used, creating bottle neck for exhaust gases.
Am I right assuming that the PADM is a two stage system, therefore the PADM setting is no different in S+ to the Sport?
Enjoying this topic, thanks.
@@ForeverManual The pops and bangs aren't related to the valve/PSE settings, so it doesn't affect performance in Sport+. In sport mode those pops and bangs are artificially created by allowing small bits of fuel through on deceleration. This also creates more heat which is obviously a bad thing. This is why Sport+ disabled them, for better on track performance.
So it’s like Normal with PSE on?
FANTASTIC!!!
Thank God for Germany 🙏🏼
Definition of car: 4wheels, made in Germany
This was a fantastic video thanks for putting this comparison together. What seats are in your car again? I’m looking at a base Cayman or base Cayman S as a replacement for my M2 next year. I’m also a fan of light/no option cars so this was very helpful.
Mine are Sport Plus 2-way
@@ForeverManual Thanks, that’s what I was looking at as well. How comfortable are those seats?
Check out this post - instagram.com/p/CTPPj4iI66A/
@@ForeverManual Perfect thanks, that seals it for me. 2 way sports seats it is!
Smart choice🤗 please keep in mind that ventilated seats are slightly stiffer than non-ventilated.
🚙 excellent video, just helping with the algorithm.
Great!
I'm new to porsche. I have ordered my first porsche, a base cayman, manual, 18" wheels, and a few minor interior options, and that's about it - I kept it basic to keep the price as low as possible. I live in Canada and now have to wait 18 months for delivery, due to supply issues from covid. I can't wait. I really enjoy your channel, and have found your information on the cayman very useful. Thanks! I have a quick question - what's the average driver in Russia like - I sometimes watch dashcam videos from russia, and the driving is really bad, but that could be biased because the content will obviously select the worst driving.
Bad driving is a complicated matter. The dash-stuff you see on RUclips originates not only in lack of driving skills but also in a poor discipline as well as a bad road infrastructure. And those two things are looped together. Some Russian regions are famous for having an incredibly high average level of driving skills among general public. Places like Karelia which is close to Finland with its twisted forest roads, Eastern or Southern regions with mountain roads.
Perhaps they should have called it Sports Negative?
на самом деле манеттино - буквально "рычажок" - это именно такая реализация, как Феррари делает: маленький рычаг закреплённый в одной точке и подвижный с противоположного краю; крутилка по-итальянски называется иначе (по памяти rotella, потом уточню ;)
Уточнил: rotella - это любое колёсико или крутилка, rotella dentata - буквально! - зубчатое колесо, маленькую крутилку могут назвать уменьшительно rotellina.
my test drive will be out the door!
Some wise words at the end. I agree. When I want to buy car I want manual, but dealer often does not have one. Why pay more for a transmission when you get one standard anyway?
I have a Cayman base with 20'' wheels, GT steering wheel and not Power Steering Plus, which makes the steering to feel so stiff/heavy, would you recommend adding the Power Steering Plus? Is it much better? Thanks
The Power Steering Plus can be retrofitted by the dealer. Don’t see why not to give it a try if you find the current state is uncomfortable.
Sport Plus is no joke on a PDK. My Boxster 718 S gets noticeable much more racey
Sure, I mentioned that. Nothing worthy on manual car though.
In my 991.2 Carrera T, I've compared back and forth between normal, sport, and sport plus and in that car Sport Plus is a much more direct and 1:1 feeling compared to both Normal and Sport, the engine feels like it gives you a much more accurate response in line with what you ask of it from the gas pedal. It also feels much more normally aspirated compared to normal and sport, which gives more of a surge of power like a normal turbo motor.
Interesting how the 718 only has two maps. Almost sounds to me like they design one to feel fast and the other to be easier to modulate when at the limit.
I’m sorry, I didn’t get the question, if there was one. Please read the update in the description👌🏻
@@ForeverManual I was just sharing my observations. I've noticed oftentimes there's a lot of similarities across Porsche's sport cars of the same generation, especially when it comes to software tuning, like engine modes behaving similarly in both Caymans, Boxsters, and 911s, so it's interesting the 718 T has only 2 modes while the 911 has 3 distinct throttle maps. 🙂 Informative video, like how thoroughly you reviewed and compared!
Awesome video! Can I get a little more info on pulling that fuse? Something about engine sound
www.718forum.com/threads/viffermikes-super-duper-soundaktor-disconnection-guide.16592/post-166406
Hello. I really like your videos. I am currently hesitating between a Cayman base and a T model, with PASM system. My dilemma is whether those 2cm lower would be a problem for everyday use, when entering a parking with a ramp and some elevated zebra crossing. I imagine that it will depend a lot on the entry and exit angle of the bumpers, but I am in doubt. What do you think? ThX
Thanks! You do notice the 20 mm drop, but then a set of higher OEM springs don’t cost a fortune. The T is a smart choice as long as you keep it basic. It’s the only 718 offered with fabric seats that don’t require ventilation. As you start loading options to the T it looses it’s advantage over the Base which gives you more freedom in speccing your car, broader choice of colors and better value for money.
@@ForeverManual Thanks a lot for your help !!
What options would you recommend for a base manual? Bose, Sport plus seats, power steering? I’m
Interested in a daily not track toy. Thanks.
Check out two videos regarding the spec on this channel.
30% информации понял, а на русском планируется выпуск? Будет закадровый перевод? Ведь оригинал то на английском ...)
Будет на русском, как обычно👍🏻
@@ForeverManual если ты достаточно образован, чтобы понимать Петровского на русском, то и на английском поймёшь)
Прекрасный и лаконичный обзор как и всегда впрочем.
Благодарю.
@@ForeverManual, когда? Не могу больше ждать!))
981 sport plus with sports exhaust seems to make a bigger difference than just chrono
Never had a chance to do a comparison like this one for 981.
@@ForeverManual it’s supposed to be more aggressive throttle response from the vids on YT.
Hello to all fellows , I have a 718 T boxter 2.0 and i was thinking to buy the COBB COBB Acessport and apply the stage 1 mapping, does any one can help me with some opinion if its safe or not please ?
Get a custom tune
The Sport Plus is meant to overtake cars, you should use it for a short period, let's say 20 seconds.
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Just wondering FM, have you driven a base Cayman 2.9 either 981or 987? Seems to me the throttle response would have more precision, rather than the mind of it's own most Turbo motors possess. (I am in a 2.5 Subaru Turbo forester and there is no subtle throttle changes you can make mid corner)
I have. Being the cars of less restrictive ages they are indeed more responsive. The 718 is relatively good for a turbo car, and it allows you to correct the line with the throttle mid corner. You better be high on revs though.
I live in UK and am considering a Cayman 4.0GTS or an Alpine A110. Thoughts?
I would say A110 if only it existed with manual gearbox
I owe a 2009 base PDK cayman and I pity all of you - you can't enjoy the glorious boxer-six NA engine.
but other than that - 2liter cayman is great for basic track driving.
ps
i'm from Moscow just as Mike
I don’t know if I missed it in the commentary but do both cars have the standard steering or does one have the power steering plus?
Both equipped with PS Plus, on top of that mine has a GT steering wheel.
@@ForeverManual excellent. Thanks.
Euhhhh I m sorry but with a PDK, the sport + mode clearly affects the throttle response and does not correspond to the normal mode. I can t speak for the MT, but with the AT, there is clearly a difference between sport + and normal mode on the throttle reponse. Also the sport + supresses the pops and bang which are present in sport mode.
Correct. Check the description for a Porsche comment on MT modes.
Непонятно про sport plus. В инструкции сказано, что на педаль агрессивный режим
И тем не менее
I'm looking to buy a cayman 718 PDK - i drive max 4000 km a year so was wondering if i should go for the PASM and Sport chrono pack?
The PDK car must have Sport Chrono, full stop. The PASM is optional: if it fits in your budget, go for it👍
@@ForeverManual Thanks will go for the sports pack and PASM then 😊
Option normal PASM -10 mm, if usability is important.
Так и не понял, в стоке есть автоматическая перегазовка или нет?
Нет.
Which 718 has the most comfortable suspension ?
That would be the topless version of the silver car from the video - a two-liter Boxster with standard PASM and 18-inch wheels. The same specification would provide you with the best ride quality among Caymans. Although all 718s are stiff, some are just stiffer than others.
If I had access to a spare parts bin, I would also consider trying to fit some base 981 shocks, springs, and bump stops onto my 718. The previous generation car was significantly softer in both PASM and non-PASM versions.
I’m looking to buy the 718 Cayman GT4 2021 as a daily driver, do you believe it’s a good daily? Not to go to work but just driving around everyday. Thanks
I seem to be wrong person to ask. I like using my car on 110% of its capabilities. Having a GT4 as a daily means using small portion of it most of the time and not even the best portion. Unless you live nearby the race track and use it as a route for commuting 😉 See what I mean?
@@ForeverManual Yes, fully understand your point. I’m more a type that wants a cool looking/ fast car but dont want to race with it. Just want to drive around it in the city slowly and have fun (thats how I have fun) some people say it’s a track car and isnt a daily, thats what makes me doubt
It’s cool that you realize what you need it for👍🏻All 4.0 718s are definitely not a city cars in my opinion - too stiff, too noisy, the gearing is too tall. They need space, speed. This engine loves to be revved high. Otherwise it kinda doesn’t make sense. You will look cool in one of these up to some point, but if you buy the car which is faster than you, it has a tendency to make you look stupid one day😉
@@ForeverManual Good points. Thanks a lot for your feedback
I edited my answer slightly to explain myself better 🤗
So, With sport chrono package, the ground clearance reduces 10mm and we cannot adjust some way?
In theory you can use higher springs from the Base. I don’t know how it affects work of PASM dampers.
@@ForeverManual thank you. I just thought it's exactly the same ground clearance with or without sport chrono. Porsche did not tell anything when I checked to the box
Oh, I’m sorry, I misread 😂 ground clearance isn’t affected by ordering Sport Chrono only
Shtik krasava 👍
should I get this or the nissan Z?
I didn’t drive new Z yet🤷🏻♂️ should be a great value for the money
This guy just trying to feel better about owning a 50k base… remove the clock? Lol
www.google.ru/search?q=remove+sport+chrono+clock+site:rennlist.com
Enjoy 😂
Странное решение, выпускать сначала англоязычную версию...
Ничего странного, если посмотреть на количество просмотров. Большая часть аудитории канала - глобальная. У нас эти машины почти не продаются, а контент рассчитан в первую очередь на потребителя.
@@ForeverManual не имеем никакого права от вас что-либо требовать, но например лично я соскучился по вашим видеоэссе.
Видео конечно же посмотрю, но английский по определению не так богат как русский, а русским вы владеете виртуозно
I feel sorry i had my manual Cayman 987 sold to move into the 911 world (997 carrera S tiptronic) after watching the video. And i always remain being your proud fan either in russian or in english! Вы, очевидно, единственный, кто затронул тему «базовых» Cayman или 911 за что Вам, безусловно, глубочайший риспект. Перед покупкой своего в 2012 году я не нашел ровным счетов ничего про 2,7 с мкпп :)…
Ничего не понимаю, но очень интересно!
Каждый раз англоязычную версию смотрю сначала.
@@ForeverManual не продаются на механике или cayman 718 вообще? Просто мне непонятно с чем это связано: то ли 911 "взрослее", толи 718 "более снаряд."
better do it in russian with english subtitles
Hard disagree
Don’t worry, It’s not going to happen
the FLAT4 sound is very disgusting 🤢🤮
Go and post it under some Subaru video 🤣
Best reviews and quite entertaining too. I am ~el~jefe~ on 718 forum. (I asked you a question there if you get a chance)