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Holy grilled cheese... didn't expect the Saber to own so well against the longsword's reach. If I wanted to "get gud" and stop suckin', where might I go to learn Saber like that??
Also, DUM question I know, but... has anyone ever thought of making a longsword/bastard sword with something like a sail guard like some blocking daggers have? If hand protection is so valuable - which this vidya shows it is - wouldn't that be a good design for more "modern" longswords? Just my stupid idea.😅🎉
What I've learned, hand protection is a must. Seems a lot of duels would happen something like this: "ah, I see you've- ah, shit. my hand" *drops sword and proceeds to get stabbed to death*
I always thought the same thing 😂. I do Filipino sword work and attacking the hands is our main thing. Historically they say Tatang Illustrisimo was able to beat a Pencak Silat master in a sword duel by cutting off his thumb
Historically you wouldn't have been stabbed afterwards, your injury would count as "satisfaction" and the duel would be over. And then you'd probably die from your injuries, but not guaranteed.
The amount of double hits is crazy. Sword fighting is dangerous. Just because you hit your opponent first doesn't mean your save. Their sword is still in motion and might still hit you. As always great duel. Really shows that the saber has a noticeably more reach because its one hand.
You better hope you're way better, otherwise you get cut. Also, I bet when you're fighting in a duel to the death, you stress so much you make many mistakes. A cooler head probably have a huge advantage.
The record might indicate you've won, but you died a few weeks later from an infection from his hit. Or had your hand rendered useless because they severed some tendons.
Generally, it depends. You can get cut up 10+ times as long as nothing hits anything vital or bleeds too deep/too fast. On the other hand you can get stabbed once and immediately die. These fencing rules don't attempt to get complex about what counts as dying other than avoiding some sensitive areas, so that is part of why it is so short. Not a bad thing either. The other part is that the swordspeople are actually aiming for the body rather than meeting in the middle like flashy movie choreography.
There's a great skallagrim video from around 4 years ago where he shows some hooligans who were having first blood duels with sharp swords. (skallagrim goes on about how foolishly reckless it is for sometime lol) In one of the clips he showed, one of the participants gets cut very badly on the arm. It was a nasty deep cut, he was bleeding pretty badly and it was even gapping open. Definitely a fight ender right? No, not in this case. He didn't even notice that he was cut at all, his opponent had to point it out to him. What's my point? Their are so many factors that simulation of a sword fight can really start getting bogged down in childish "that doesn't count." For simplicity sake first hit or "blood" is the best way to be consistent and fair. Even then you see people debate all the time "that landed flat." Etc. Lol My point is a sword fight could go on for quite some time, sometimes. And getting cut even fairly badly, isn't necessarily always going to be fight stopping every time. Idk about 10+ times, that seems like a lot of cuts lol
@@presto_the_editor lol I'm no educator 🤗 but I do like talk about stuff like this and point people to that video its called "wild flailing with sharp swords?... how about no." or something like that. It's a good video and if you're somehow not familiar with skallagrim, you're welcome 🤘 it was a pretty popular video so it shouldn't be too hard to find
In fairness, this was a dueling sabre, not a "proper" military sabre. Dueling sabres were designed to prioritize duels of honor/duels to first blood, and as such were lighter than military sabres to both grant greater speed and to be "less-lethal" than military sabres (they're still swords, though, and cuts/thrusts to vital areas could still be deadly.) That being said, military sabres are *still* serious melee weapons, there's a *reason* they stuck around all the way up to WWI.
I loved seeing this sparring! I found it interesting seeing how whoever used the sabre worked around the length of the longsword with the hand protection as well having, what I feel, is a little bit more adaptability with having that one hand and being able to flex around the length of the longsword.
Ngl, I'd be interested in videos where you guys talk about how some swords are better/more effective against armored opponents and how others are better suited for non-armored opponents.
This is interesting in comparison to the rapier video, because the hand protection still gives the sabre a distinct edge, but because it's more even in terms of length, we end up with a 3:2 advantage rather than a 2:1 in terms of hits.
Intriguing, I enjoy being surprised. I thought the longsword would have the reach advantage. But I failed to consider his extension in a single hand or the better hand protection.
In my experience of fencing sabre vs longsword, one advantage of the longsword I didn't see you guys use was the sheer mass of the longsword blade, and the resulting impact and momentum, especially vs a duelling sabre. I found that if the longswordsman throws something like a well-structured full-body zornhau, the sabruer basically has to drop everything they're doing and do a perfect parry strictly on the forte of their blade - anything less and the block just gets blown through. Do you think the fight would look much different for you if the longsword dropped the point-forward guard, went to a more withdrawn one and focused on threatening the sabre with more well-scrutured and thus powerful cuts?
whenever I here this phonk song I think of sellswordarts and videos. this is Davids's theme song. I also think this song goes really well with montages
Sellsword scenario time if someone is coming at you with two swords and they are twirling them at you in a circular ish motion what do you do. (If you don't get it, it's sort of like spinning a staff left and right but your doing it with swords)
So I bought a hand and a half longsword and a trainer sword to go with it but the trainer is definitely heavier. Is it supposed to be or am I training for a different sword altogether?
wouldn't ring help the longsword, it seem's like the main issue is that there is no hand shot possible for the longsword while the saber as plenty of oportunity, so ring could help, tho ive seen people onlyne say that it's not safe because the weapon of the opponent could get in the ring and hurt the finger while it would have just bounce of whitout, but with sharp weapon it would be less of an issue because it would cut and not bouce of, but i don't fence so i don't know, so if somone could explaine if ring would be usfull, i would be thanksfull (sry for the poor english it's not my first language)
I have to say, from what I've seen in this video and the rapier vs longsword, you seem better (mostly at sniping, but faster in general). I would love to see bigger samples to determines which weapons have the advantage, but also over a long period of time. Who knows, maybe weapon 1 vs weapon 2 wins if you don't know how to fight against it specifically, but can have a much closer hit count otherwise?
The armor is more important that the blade type. The saber and other later weapons were meant for dueling in an era where armor was less common. The Longsword is a war sword from a time when articulated plate and gauntlets or mittens for hand protection was the norm. Sabers, rapiers, and cutlasses were oft paired with early firearms. Ever tried firing a gun while wearing thick metal plated gauntlets?
Random question: I've heard you mention kendo before: do you plan on doing a more in depth analysis about that? Personally I'm very very curious to see what you would think of the small and "snappy" kind of hits it has going on.
People who train in Japanese sword arts can be very pedantic about the subject; this reflects the nature of the training. Similarly keyboard swordsmen have a fixated on -do vs -jutsu distinction which is not quite so sharp in traditional budo/jutsu communities. Better to steer clear of that mess even when you can speak from a position of authority on the matter. Such a discussion is unlikely unless they are able to collaborate with a budo master.
Id be interested to see if something would change with slightly different swordd. My first training sword was a longsword of much similar size as the one you used (nylon though) but it has rings on both sides of the crossguard. Now Im a complete noob and alot less athletic than you guys but Ive done training with friends in my backyard: we got more asymetric fights than not cuz everyone just got what they thought looked cool. My most frequent sparring partner is a friend who's younger and faster than me and he used a complex hilt sidesword (often with parrying dagger) and I used my longsword. Id say he won more than I did and some of the bouts were (alot less skilled) versions of what you had: the reach and speed of the single handed sword won more often and I struggled so much against his 2 blades (I cant handle 2 blades myself at all, coordinate 2 weapons? fuck no. Made my own kite shields though, that worked associated with a short blade). Anyhow, he also got a sabre and I got a meyer sidesword (/rapier). Hand protection makes such a difference. But yeah, I also got used to the sound of nylon hitting my longsword rings so Id love to see a rematch :)
The Rapier usually has a different type of hand protection, it also has quillions (crossguard) and the blade is straight instead of curved. The Rapier is also usually considerably longer than the saber
The blade in this video does have a curve to it, though it's much less pronounced than cavalry or older style Sabers. And yes, there are sabers that are completely straight, but those are less common. The Saber in this video is a dueling saber.
Who tf see armour and think the rapier is a right tool for the job ? It's literally a no brainer, they're simulating duels without any armour And that's not even a rapier, that's an Italian dueling saber
Halfswording would solve the problem of using a rapier against an armoured opponent, that it'd be dangerous is a given but it'd work But as said elsewhere, that's a saber
Some good sparing here. Do you have someone overseeing the fight or are you just on a gentleman's agreement? A couple skirmishes here could definitely be seen as afterblows to some.
This is just one part of a longer video, in a series of videos that we're doing to find the ultimate dueling sword!
Check out the full video!
ruclips.net/video/QgieDayWD8Y/видео.html
Holy grilled cheese... didn't expect the Saber to own so well against the longsword's reach.
If I wanted to "get gud" and stop suckin', where might I go to learn Saber like that??
Also, DUM question I know, but... has anyone ever thought of making a longsword/bastard sword with something like a sail guard like some blocking daggers have? If hand protection is so valuable - which this vidya shows it is - wouldn't that be a good design for more "modern" longswords?
Just my stupid idea.😅🎉
A saber actually looks more versatile, doesn't it?
What I've learned, hand protection is a must. Seems a lot of duels would happen something like this: "ah, I see you've- ah, shit. my hand" *drops sword and proceeds to get stabbed to death*
I could totally see that happening 😂
I always thought the same thing 😂. I do Filipino sword work and attacking the hands is our main thing. Historically they say Tatang Illustrisimo was able to beat a Pencak Silat master in a sword duel by cutting off his thumb
defanging the snake in Kali / arnis.
Historically you wouldn't have been stabbed afterwards, your injury would count as "satisfaction" and the duel would be over.
And then you'd probably die from your injuries, but not guaranteed.
Yeah i use leather gloves because they are kinda flexible but also hard enough to withstand blows to the hand
The amount of double hits is crazy.
Sword fighting is dangerous. Just because you hit your opponent first doesn't mean your save. Their sword is still in motion and might still hit you.
As always great duel. Really shows that the saber has a noticeably more reach because its one hand.
You better hope you're way better, otherwise you get cut.
Also, I bet when you're fighting in a duel to the death, you stress so much you make many mistakes. A cooler head probably have a huge advantage.
The record might indicate you've won, but you died a few weeks later from an infection from his hit. Or had your hand rendered useless because they severed some tendons.
I love how these are short unlike the ones we see in movies. One hit and you're gone
Generally, it depends. You can get cut up 10+ times as long as nothing hits anything vital or bleeds too deep/too fast. On the other hand you can get stabbed once and immediately die. These fencing rules don't attempt to get complex about what counts as dying other than avoiding some sensitive areas, so that is part of why it is so short. Not a bad thing either. The other part is that the swordspeople are actually aiming for the body rather than meeting in the middle like flashy movie choreography.
There's a great skallagrim video from around 4 years ago where he shows some hooligans who were having first blood duels with sharp swords. (skallagrim goes on about how foolishly reckless it is for sometime lol) In one of the clips he showed, one of the participants gets cut very badly on the arm. It was a nasty deep cut, he was bleeding pretty badly and it was even gapping open. Definitely a fight ender right? No, not in this case. He didn't even notice that he was cut at all, his opponent had to point it out to him.
What's my point? Their are so many factors that simulation of a sword fight can really start getting bogged down in childish "that doesn't count."
For simplicity sake first hit or "blood" is the best way to be consistent and fair. Even then you see people debate all the time "that landed flat." Etc.
Lol My point is a sword fight could go on for quite some time, sometimes. And getting cut even fairly badly, isn't necessarily always going to be fight stopping every time. Idk about 10+ times, that seems like a lot of cuts lol
@@koiledPythonRain yeah... That's the part I meant to highlight. Not much flashiness because it's actually with intent to strike the opponent
@@sinisterswordsman25 ah... I see. Thanks for educating me.. what's the video title? Would like to see it
@@presto_the_editor lol I'm no educator 🤗 but I do like talk about stuff like this and point people to that video its called "wild flailing with sharp swords?... how about no." or something like that. It's a good video and if you're somehow not familiar with skallagrim, you're welcome 🤘 it was a pretty popular video so it shouldn't be too hard to find
the fact that a 1 handed weapon gives you a greater reach played a huge rule here
And here was me thinking the saber isn't a serious melee weapon. Shows me I guess
In fairness, this was a dueling sabre, not a "proper" military sabre. Dueling sabres were designed to prioritize duels of honor/duels to first blood, and as such were lighter than military sabres to both grant greater speed and to be "less-lethal" than military sabres (they're still swords, though, and cuts/thrusts to vital areas could still be deadly.)
That being said, military sabres are *still* serious melee weapons, there's a *reason* they stuck around all the way up to WWI.
I tried saber after starting with longsword. Sabers are *fast*
We tried polish Sabre against longsword. The Sabre didnt stand a chance
@@sventorgersen7545polish sabre doesn’t stand a chance against most swords
@@FistsofGodfrey it was made for cavalry (more than 70% of combat usage) or saber fights. That's why
I loved seeing this sparring! I found it interesting seeing how whoever used the sabre worked around the length of the longsword with the hand protection as well having, what I feel, is a little bit more adaptability with having that one hand and being able to flex around the length of the longsword.
Ngl, I'd be interested in videos where you guys talk about how some swords are better/more effective against armored opponents and how others are better suited for non-armored opponents.
@@Charlie-fk4ly generally swords suck against armor. its basically a less wieldy dagger, wich is why half swording exists
This is interesting in comparison to the rapier video, because the hand protection still gives the sabre a distinct edge, but because it's more even in terms of length, we end up with a 3:2 advantage rather than a 2:1 in terms of hits.
Song is level up by raccy
Intriguing, I enjoy being surprised. I thought the longsword would have the reach advantage. But I failed to consider his extension in a single hand or the better hand protection.
I did not expect Saber to be able to put up much of a fight! Bravo!
A more elegant weapon, from a more civilized time.
Loving these duel videos.
It's a light saber!
for the ones that liked to music, it is Raccy - Level Up.
and for the people of Sellsword Arts, we are waiting for the rest of the experiment :v
I can seriously see why the saber replaced the longsword in most usage.
A+ hand sniping
great content, akademia szermierzy made similar video some time ago so its good that now we can see same topic made by diffrent fencers
In my experience of fencing sabre vs longsword, one advantage of the longsword I didn't see you guys use was the sheer mass of the longsword blade, and the resulting impact and momentum, especially vs a duelling sabre. I found that if the longswordsman throws something like a well-structured full-body zornhau, the sabruer basically has to drop everything they're doing and do a perfect parry strictly on the forte of their blade - anything less and the block just gets blown through.
Do you think the fight would look much different for you if the longsword dropped the point-forward guard, went to a more withdrawn one and focused on threatening the sabre with more well-scrutured and thus powerful cuts?
enjoying the series. very educational.
I recently did this using polish Saber against longsword. Going off line was key due to the longsworders reach over mine .
Very nice !
Just feeding the algo... so you can feed your crew.
whenever I here this phonk song I think of sellswordarts and videos. this is Davids's theme song. I also think this song goes really well with montages
When your five and you find a stick
may i ask which saber you use?
i look for a sparring saber so this one looks great.
Sellsword scenario time if someone is coming at you with two swords and they are twirling them at you in a circular ish motion what do you do. (If you don't get it, it's sort of like spinning a staff left and right but your doing it with swords)
So I bought a hand and a half longsword and a trainer sword to go with it but the trainer is definitely heavier. Is it supposed to be or am I training for a different sword altogether?
wouldn't ring help the longsword, it seem's like the main issue is that there is no hand shot possible for the longsword while the saber as plenty of oportunity, so ring could help, tho ive seen people onlyne say that it's not safe because the weapon of the opponent could get in the ring and hurt the finger while it would have just bounce of whitout, but with sharp weapon it would be less of an issue because it would cut and not bouce of, but i don't fence so i don't know, so if somone could explaine if ring would be usfull, i would be thanksfull (sry for the poor english it's not my first language)
Rings are insurance, not something to rely on. You fence the same way like there are no rings on the cross.
I have to say, from what I've seen in this video and the rapier vs longsword, you seem better (mostly at sniping, but faster in general).
I would love to see bigger samples to determines which weapons have the advantage, but also over a long period of time. Who knows, maybe weapon 1 vs weapon 2 wins if you don't know how to fight against it specifically, but can have a much closer hit count otherwise?
The armor is more important that the blade type. The saber and other later weapons were meant for dueling in an era where armor was less common. The Longsword is a war sword from a time when articulated plate and gauntlets or mittens for hand protection was the norm. Sabers, rapiers, and cutlasses were oft paired with early firearms. Ever tried firing a gun while wearing thick metal plated gauntlets?
The type of longsword fencing we're doing is called bloß. It was done completely unarmed
@@SellswordArts *Unarmored? Gotcha. I was thinking too much in the historical warfare context.
I wonder how many hours were spent in order to be good at fencing with a saber while having a bit of a flair
Random question: I've heard you mention kendo before: do you plan on doing a more in depth analysis about that? Personally I'm very very curious to see what you would think of the small and "snappy" kind of hits it has going on.
People who train in Japanese sword arts can be very pedantic about the subject; this reflects the nature of the training.
Similarly keyboard swordsmen have a fixated on -do vs -jutsu distinction which is not quite so sharp in traditional budo/jutsu communities.
Better to steer clear of that mess even when you can speak from a position of authority on the matter. Such a discussion is unlikely unless they are able to collaborate with a budo master.
You got me better at sword fighting
these to are my favorite weapons right now
Id be interested to see if something would change with slightly different swordd. My first training sword was a longsword of much similar size as the one you used (nylon though) but it has rings on both sides of the crossguard. Now Im a complete noob and alot less athletic than you guys but Ive done training with friends in my backyard: we got more asymetric fights than not cuz everyone just got what they thought looked cool. My most frequent sparring partner is a friend who's younger and faster than me and he used a complex hilt sidesword (often with parrying dagger) and I used my longsword. Id say he won more than I did and some of the bouts were (alot less skilled) versions of what you had: the reach and speed of the single handed sword won more often and I struggled so much against his 2 blades (I cant handle 2 blades myself at all, coordinate 2 weapons? fuck no. Made my own kite shields though, that worked associated with a short blade). Anyhow, he also got a sabre and I got a meyer sidesword (/rapier). Hand protection makes such a difference. But yeah, I also got used to the sound of nylon hitting my longsword rings so Id love to see a rematch :)
Is saber and a rapier the same ?
Sabers are so fast that it is really hard to follow what is happening :D
Also how old do I have to be to start professional hema
Professional?? There isn’t any. Most clubs are 18+ but some will cater to teens as well.
Guts vs Griffith
Hypnotising 😵💫
I thought the thin sword was a rapier. Can anyone tell me the different type of sabers?
The Rapier usually has a different type of hand protection, it also has quillions (crossguard) and the blade is straight instead of curved.
The Rapier is also usually considerably longer than the saber
@@SellswordArts but sabers could have straight blades too like in the video?
The blade in this video does have a curve to it, though it's much less pronounced than cavalry or older style Sabers. And yes, there are sabers that are completely straight, but those are less common.
The Saber in this video is a dueling saber.
@@SellswordArts oh ok. Thanks for the lesson sword master⚔️😊
And if you add actual armor how does that rapier do
It's the saber, and this is an unarmed test. We are replicating a civilian dual
Armors are meant to protect against swords thats literally the whole purpose of it -_-
Who tf see armour and think the rapier is a right tool for the job ? It's literally a no brainer, they're simulating duels without any armour
And that's not even a rapier, that's an Italian dueling saber
Halfswording would solve the problem of using a rapier against an armoured opponent, that it'd be dangerous is a given but it'd work
But as said elsewhere, that's a saber
And if you add an intercontinental ballistic missile how does the armor do? 😂😂...
Nice!
This is awesome
Glorious
Some good sparing here. Do you have someone overseeing the fight or are you just on a gentleman's agreement? A couple skirmishes here could definitely be seen as afterblows to some.
Saber vs rapier
But I don't see a point.....how to are going fight a tank fully Armored knight by a saber
I don't know, a horse or something?
i think your longsword is a bit short brother
It’s not a greatsword
I bet a nail would change the results of this dual
The hands would be much more protected then
Music is nice, but a bit less volume, please? Hard to hear the actual weapon sounds over the music.