War Thunder F-16 VS DCS F-16

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  • Опубликовано: 27 ноя 2024

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  • @AeroTurtle
    @AeroTurtle  Год назад +3

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  • @theblitz8798
    @theblitz8798 10 месяцев назад +10

    The F16 in DCS is $80 full price. For that you get it immediately and have a full featured module to explore AtA, AtG , SEAD, Navigation, instrument and all weather capability. Also, you have the option of solo, Multiplayer PVP and PVE options. I like Warthunder because the games are quick and they help with understanding the movement in 3 dimensional space without all the cold start and taxying of DCS.

    • @leduckified1534
      @leduckified1534 9 месяцев назад +3

      DCS is beyond worth every penny

    • @magnitudefallout3944
      @magnitudefallout3944 6 месяцев назад

      I think it's safe to conclude the following then - are you a gamer and a war enthusiast? War thunder has the arcade simplifications covered. Are you an avionics guy in your heart? Planning to do this stuff IRL even? DCS is your homie

  • @miquelescribanoivars5049
    @miquelescribanoivars5049 Год назад +42

    6:00 While DCS F-16 has a much more powerfull F110-GE-129, all the upgraded avionics apparently decreased the plane's nose authority compared to earlier models, so at some speed it might be due to that... Maybe. At higher speeds, of course, it would G-Force limited.

    • @WOLFER.
      @WOLFER. Год назад +1

      It is a much better rate fighter tho and tighter radius, but one circle nose authority is worse, like the f5e and f5c, F5C better at aoa (one circle) while the F5E is better at the two circle but worse aoa. I'm sure you understand what I'm saying

    • @miquelescribanoivars5049
      @miquelescribanoivars5049 Год назад +1

      ​@@WOLFER. From what I've read F-16A generally had the advantage over C's in the merge in the same configuration, I wouldn't know for sure, though.

  • @pogo1140
    @pogo1140 11 месяцев назад +5

    update now that the F-16C is available in Warthunder

  • @brentonherbert7775
    @brentonherbert7775 Год назад +14

    Honestly the instructor stops you from recovering in WT far more than it saves you.

  • @Nico_o7
    @Nico_o7 Год назад +21

    we need the vapors for sure come on gajin

  • @morangejuice
    @morangejuice Год назад +5

    Came here to watch an advertisement, wasn't disappointed.

  • @zdarky_6623
    @zdarky_6623 Год назад +5

    DCS has the F16C which has a better engine and avionics, so it's still not the same. War thunder has the block 15

  • @mechem6964
    @mechem6964 Год назад +9

    6:00 When you did the climb test did you forgot to set the speed option for the WT F16 to indicated airspeed which the DCS F16 is measured by. If you look at the mach number for both, the F16C is faster.

  • @dukeofdream
    @dukeofdream 9 месяцев назад +2

    Yeah war thunder on your mobile phone... except it's tanks only xD And many of us play Air only...

    • @burgwaechter1737
      @burgwaechter1737 8 месяцев назад +1

      yes like, war thunder = mobile phone game for kids
      dcs = the game for real pilots

    • @dukeofdream
      @dukeofdream 8 месяцев назад +1

      @@burgwaechter1737 War Thunder Realistic on pc is decent... It's exactly what it says, realistic but not simulation... I play both Air RB and DCS and each has it's time...

  • @christopherbernhardt
    @christopherbernhardt Год назад +2

    DCS only has an instructor if you let it though, idrk why that was brought up in the comparison... a lot of us play sim

  • @zawadlttv
    @zawadlttv Год назад +2

    "you think of it, it carries it" my brain: r27er? also my brain: no it does not

  • @AT-bo6ww
    @AT-bo6ww Год назад +87

    Of course the F-16 players scream Russian bias when they can't figure out why on earth a modern jet with advanced fly-by-wire doesn't have the same nose authority as the F-14😂.

    • @SauronBaggins69
      @SauronBaggins69 Год назад +30

      F16 players don't scream Russian bias because of the Russians flight performance, but because of the ridiculous gap in their fox 1s. Aim7s are nothing compared to the r27ER. Keep in mind I have both the f16adf and mig29 and even the yak141, with a lot of games in all of them, and I can assure you there is 100% Russian bias in game right now😂😂

    • @mihaly_wt8367
      @mihaly_wt8367 Год назад +5

      ​​@@SauronBaggins69 I expect you have never played with a mig-29, if you had you would know the mig's radar is shit compared to the f14 and f16, you loose lock all the time, its very finicky and somewhat easy to notch at long range, yes the missile is better but less reliable, i get more aim-7f kills than R-27ER kills

    • @SauronBaggins69
      @SauronBaggins69 Год назад +2

      @Mihaly_wt I understand what you mean, it's terrible when it comes to detecting targets and tws doesn't work, but it does have better pulse doppler blind speeds compared to the f16, once u get a lock, that's when using the medium prf pulse doppler frequency modes, which can only detect targets at closer ranges. The reason you are doing better with us radars and missiles isn't that the mig is worse, but that apg66 and awg9 are just super easy to use. I have at least 300 games in mig29.

    • @AT-bo6ww
      @AT-bo6ww Год назад +1

      @@SauronBaggins69 I'm talking about aircraft performance, lad. Have you forgotten how many people complained that the F-16 behaved like an F-104 because they couldn't fathom the fact that it has an AoA restrictor?
      My comment, if you could read properly, had nothing to do with weapons systems. And what do you expect Gaijin to do, give the F-16s AMRAAMS? There is no American SARH missile that outperforms the R-27ER in range, while having good maneuverability irl. So what, let's strip the MiG-29s of its R-27s and give it the R-24s? How about we also remove IRST because American aircraft don't have them?
      Honestly, give an American tech tree player an F-22, pit him against an I-15 and he'll still complain how the I-15 can turn inside the Raptor.

    • @tdiowa3534
      @tdiowa3534 Год назад +4

      I think there should be a way to turn off flight limiters

  • @ElderWillows
    @ElderWillows Год назад +4

    So how am I meant to play the F-16 in War thunder, I feel like after 100 games I'm still no better than the first, I mainly play M2000/M-IIIC/F-5C with 2.0+ KDs with almost 2000 games combined and I feel like the F-16 gets outturned by everything what is the optimal speed for Dogfights maybe? Barely 1.0 KD in this monster and it's depressing.

    • @adrianstachowski9422
      @adrianstachowski9422 Год назад +1

      Idk how it works in wt, but in dcs f16 should ratefight around 400kn

  • @MineSmashed
    @MineSmashed 11 месяцев назад +1

    I have the F16 but not the WT version. It's such a hi tech plane but little of this is in the WT version, WT unfortunately isn't set up for this age of vehicle.

  • @CruelSun69
    @CruelSun69 Год назад +6

    Comparing dcs to war thunder doesnt really work because war thunder has to worry about balance. (And yes i know war thunder f16 is a early version) But the "comparison" videos are always fun anyways. Good video.

  • @factsforlife0O0
    @factsforlife0O0 Год назад

    FYI the AOA Meter in the F-16 in warthunder doesn't even come close to yellow green or red we are stuck pull 6 degrees when the F-16 is able to do 16 to 18 degrees of pull before a G limiter Limits the jets pulling ability that's more proof on how much they nerfed the F-16 to fit below the Mig-29 Also would love to see the F-117 and B1 lancer F-117 wouldn't show up on radar until 2 miles away and wont get the name plate until you are 1km away That would be the best way to model the F-117 or B2 or B21

  • @pietroferrari4279
    @pietroferrari4279 Год назад +2

    In the flight manual of the f 16 in order to achieve the sustained 9g turn you should be a lot faster (min 410) knots

    • @dartheveloper5449
      @dartheveloper5449 Год назад

      depending on thrust not speed

    • @bartoshii
      @bartoshii 11 месяцев назад

      @@dartheveloper5449 Meanwhile F16C EM Diagrams : I am joke to you ?? XDDD

  • @ItzCPU_
    @ItzCPU_ 10 месяцев назад +2

    You should do another one since we now have the 16c and a new flight model

  • @WOLFER.
    @WOLFER. Год назад +8

    DCS F-16 is a F-16C Block 52 model, and your comparing it to the F-16A Block 10 to 20 in the current WT game, so this isn't a comparison at all. Only do it, when WT has the Charlie Block 52 model of the F-16. This video doesn't count.
    F-16C has different weight, different thrust to weight, different radar, flaps come down at different speeds, leading edge flap comes down when pulling at higher speeds, the C also rates at higher speeds and tighter radius, either way, they are very different in performance, I'm sorry but I don't like this "comparison" video.
    While the A model is just better in the one circle but worse in the rate fight, but we all know that, and also, in the climb rate, in the WT shot you were in speed and not IAS (indicated air speed) while DCS was at IAS, and the the only thing taiwanese f16 had in its MLU (mid life upgrade, F-16A MLU) it has the same engine of the f16 adf and upgrade f16 adf radar, but a Charlie model cockpit and computer and HMD, either thus comparison video is a mess and will confuse players who don't know much about the F-16 and will think the Charlie model is worse or that the wt one is inaccurate.

    • @07Hawkeye
      @07Hawkeye Год назад +1

      to be fair, you DO know that the mig29 added to war thunder is THEIR later variant, correct? it is the 9-13 variant. meaning if they wanted to make it fair, the US *should* have gotten the block 52. for obvious russian reasons, they didnt do that. the f16A radar just doesnt compare, nor do the 7M sparrows in comparison to the R27ER.
      in a sense, i would say the comparison is pretty fair being that we SHOULD have gotten the block 52, instead we got the earliest variant which has OBVIOUS differences in functionality. i will say the war thunder f16 is entirely an inaccurate representation of the aircraft the US had for the time period of aircraft they are adding to the game for other countries like russia. if we get the earliest variant of the F16 being the F-16A then they should have gotten their earliest variant of the mig-29 which should also be the MiG-29A... but it isnt.
      what's confusing about all of this is the comparison war thunder is trying to give about their countries aircraft compared to ours when in reality they completely shafted the US tree in the game by giving us the earliest variant of the F-16 while giving themselves one of their later variants of the MiG-29, being the 9-13 variant, with a better radar system which had HMD, air to surface capabilities, upgraded engines, R27ER's which outperform literally every other missile by 2x the stats in war thunder.. the confusion comes from there.

    • @noobliterally2145
      @noobliterally2145 Год назад +1

      DCS is a block 50.

  • @AlgerianGuy77
    @AlgerianGuy77 Год назад +5

    You could have tested the F-16 block 20 that is in the chinese tech tree, it's the most advanced F-16 in war thunder it's nearly similar to the F-16C

  • @nighthawk6755
    @nighthawk6755 Год назад +11

    Next comparison the mirage 2000

  • @perrypower3703
    @perrypower3703 Год назад +2

    Comparing War Thunder to DCS is like comparing a Kia to a Ferrari..... They are two different animals.
    Maybe you should comparisons should be from World of Warbirds instead of a full fidelity, highly complex, study level simulation?

    • @AeroTurtle
      @AeroTurtle  Год назад

      I will never touch world of warplanes. Your example is valid though

  • @IronDuke39
    @IronDuke39 Год назад +11

    And on the other side Warthunder, which has a more realistic IR and radar homing missiles.
    On top also a more realistic base of radar.
    Warthunder of course needs some fine tuning but the radar fundamentals are already dynamic!
    the radars of the F18 and F16 are still simulated on static values, which is already a huge difference...

    • @marcius778
      @marcius778 Год назад +1

      Warthunder more realistic ???? :DDDD bro are you drunk ??? some world armies including USA uses dcs as training

    • @IronDuke39
      @IronDuke39 Год назад +3

      @@marcius778 the aspects I mentioned yes, that's how it is, Don't confuse a realistic cockpit simulation with certain gameplay mechanics.
      the guy shows a few examples of this and it goes much deeper
      ruclips.net/video/mkO_DSxwaPs/видео.html

    • @masterhacker7065
      @masterhacker7065 Год назад +3

      @@marcius778 No the US army doesnt use DCS as a training sim at all because there is one aerial vehicle that the US army uses which is the AH-64D... I fly for the US army and they just give you more flight time or they let you use much more realistic sims...

    • @_RTX2060SUPER_
      @_RTX2060SUPER_ Год назад

      @@masterhacker7065 There's also the A10C in DCS, which is fully modeled.

    • @9999AWC
      @9999AWC 11 месяцев назад

      @@_RTX2060SUPER_ That's USAF

  • @Rageaben
    @Rageaben Год назад +3

    I really want to get into DCS but I don’t have the time or the set up to do it I hope someday I can get into DCS but I play war thunder a lot

    • @marcius778
      @marcius778 Год назад

      go for DCS .there is nothing to compare with Warthunder ,dcs is much better

    • @2bparistol8
      @2bparistol8 Год назад

      ​@marcius778 are you a sim player? And genuinely curious what makes dcs much better?

  • @ShawnF0912
    @ShawnF0912 Год назад +2

    As a dcs player I'm really liking the comments 😂

    • @burgwaechter1737
      @burgwaechter1737 8 месяцев назад

      yeah you, re my bro now :D and i like the comments on how much better is the graphics, the better animations and interfaces and the maps :D I don't know of anything in flight simulation that can stand up to DCS. But that's it, DCS is a real flight and combat flight simulator. ;)

  • @roostercogburn3272
    @roostercogburn3272 Год назад +1

    You're comparing a video game with a flight simulator. How is that not clearly pointless? I suppose entertaining in a way, but the 'comparrison' is essentially meaningless.

    • @FathimathFathimath-ln9wk
      @FathimathFathimath-ln9wk Месяц назад

      DCS is literally a video game. I don't understand your logic

    • @roostercogburn3272
      @roostercogburn3272 Месяц назад

      @@FathimathFathimath-ln9wk
      Consider the test he's doing where his F-16A "rips"... or his struggle to flat spin an F-16C in DCS.
      The reason that won't happen in DCS is because the F-16s fly-by-wire FCS/FCCs [flight computers] are fully simulated. The computer, which is always seeking 1G, will not allow a pilot to exceed the aircraft's flight envelope. In the IRL F-16 (A or C) the pilot could kill himself with G-loading before the FCS allowed the aircraft to enter a maneuvering regime that could result in departing flight, entering a flat spin, or breaking up the airframe. There are only very rare circumstances where the FCS will allow a pilot to exceed 9Gs (that won't overstress the airframe enough to break it)
      In DCS, he's effectively trying to find a bug in the software flight model which is still a work in progress.
      To be clear: I'm not trying to be a simulation purist. I'm just saying it's an 'apples and potatoes' comparison.
      War Thunder has to balance gameplay with realism. Because, overall, gameplay is the priority.
      'Gameplay' in DCS is the responsibility of volunteer server managers and Lua scripting. Eagle Dynamics put their efforts into achieving realism. Because, overall, simulation is the priority.

  • @dannyd7714
    @dannyd7714 Год назад +2

    Why would you compare a simulation to a game?
    What's next? Iracing vs Mario Kart?

    • @2bparistol8
      @2bparistol8 Год назад

      Is war thunder sim really that bad? Are you aware that it even has a sim?

    • @RW-zn8vy
      @RW-zn8vy Год назад +3

      @@2bparistol8 yea it’s that bad

    • @2bparistol8
      @2bparistol8 Год назад

      @RW-zn8vy never played dcs but I've been addicted to wt sim for almost a year now. I do get some of the complaints but overall it's a great experience for me. Especially the community some real great people and creators I'm super happy 6o have found war thunder

  • @Denkmaldrubernacht
    @Denkmaldrubernacht Год назад +1

    Bro just a bit of a constructive criticism, I literally had to tap my finger until like two minutes to actually reach the video I care about it's a bit much lmao

    • @AeroTurtle
      @AeroTurtle  Год назад

      I'll try to condense it next time, sorry about that

  • @alexandreballester6994
    @alexandreballester6994 Год назад +2

    Can we see Mirage 2000C in War Thunder vs DCS ? :)

    • @potatokilr7789
      @potatokilr7789 Год назад

      When the Kfir in DCS is finally released it would be cool to see that comparison too

  • @HEATSEEKR
    @HEATSEEKR Год назад +2

    I am on the server and have been subbed for a good long while. Is there anything I need to do specifically to enter or what?

    • @AeroTurtle
      @AeroTurtle  Год назад +1

      You should be entered in. We're sending out the announcement when we reach 10k subs

  • @nathanixslade
    @nathanixslade 10 месяцев назад

    For me, a guy who plays a game and thinks he's a pilot is the same thing as a guy who plays guitar hero and thinks he knows how to play the guitar.

  • @rags417
    @rags417 Год назад +9

    TL;DW -
    War Thunder = Better graphics, better animations (eg ejection), better interfaces, better maps (detail, not size), better gameplay, can play literally THOUSANDS of different aircraft against each other, game is still developing so even more aircraft and mechanics yet to come.
    DCS = Better sim

    • @snooproach8500
      @snooproach8500 Год назад +6

      Graphics are debatable, but I will say Warthunder is more consistent on lower to higher-end PCs. In my opinion, the gameplay of DCS can be more interesting as it is customizable depending on the server you choose. Warthunder is overall more consistent, but I wouldn't necessarily say it’s better. It really just depends on a lot of factors for DCS.

    • @chukuma4760
      @chukuma4760 Год назад +8

      Dcs has better graphics not even debatable, dcs has better animations (missiles teleport off the plane in wt), dcs has better detail in the maps (just look once), war thunder does have better gameplay, dcs is also developing at a quick rate, war thunder has better accessibility.

    • @potatopilot16
      @potatopilot16 Год назад +1

      @@snooproach8500 what? this isn't even a fair comparison lmao. DCS and WT are different leagues (yes even "simulator" battles)

    • @snooproach8500
      @snooproach8500 Год назад +1

      @@potatopilot16 I didn’t say they were in the same league? I was pointing out what I thought differently of OP’s post. In no way did I ever say they were in the same league. I basically just said that warthunder is overall more consistent, and that DCS has a lot of factors when comparing the two.

    • @jp1526
      @jp1526 Год назад +4

      Dcs is waaay better than WT in all aspects(graphics, anmation, maps, rality etc.).

  • @airplanemc8287
    @airplanemc8287 Год назад +2

    I love this video and this guy

  • @AverageWTPilot
    @AverageWTPilot Год назад

    The Start feels targeted.

  • @TheDAWinz
    @TheDAWinz Год назад +5

    F-16C-30 is the most cracked preforming F-16, everything before and after performance wise doesnt compare . Please soon

    • @miquelescribanoivars5049
      @miquelescribanoivars5049 Год назад +1

      DCS F-16 is a Block 50 IIRC, so its already one of the "lead-nose """""Vipers"""" "

    • @TheDAWinz
      @TheDAWinz Год назад +3

      @@miquelescribanoivars5049 Yea i know, im saying block 30 is cracked in comparison to both these vipers

    • @WOLFER.
      @WOLFER. Год назад +1

      ​@@TheDAWinz there isn't a block 30 in dcs

    • @WOLFER.
      @WOLFER. Год назад +1

      ​@@miquelescribanoivars5049 it's a 52, it uses GE engines, not PW, PW is the Block 50 model, dcs is a 52 model

    • @miquelescribanoivars5049
      @miquelescribanoivars5049 Год назад

      @@TheDAWinz Nah, even the Block 30 gained considerable weight compared the F-16A's, from what I read the later had advantage on the merge, even if the F-16C was much more sofisticated.

  • @emperornazuz1205
    @emperornazuz1205 Год назад

    Time to redo the test 😂

  • @Raptic556
    @Raptic556 Год назад +1

    3:24 did you rolled with CAT I or CAT II Config.? in DCS

    • @kaan2866
      @kaan2866 Год назад +1

      dude he is a wt player he probably got zero clue about what is that xD (also it's catIII)

    • @Raptic556
      @Raptic556 Год назад +1

      ​@@kaan2866ah shit yeah haven't flown the F-16 in a while, currently maining the Hornet and Apache

  • @PIFFthePUFF420
    @PIFFthePUFF420 Год назад

    most people dont have enough pc performance to run war thunder so i doubt anyone ever wondered if they can run this on their mobile........................

  • @airplanemc8287
    @airplanemc8287 Год назад +2

    Omg war thunder on mobile 😂

  • @sayurimikato395
    @sayurimikato395 Год назад +2

    The only thing i hate on DCS is the bad Engine, and DCS is a real Simulator and War Thunder is more Arcade. But i enjoy both games ❤

    • @marcius778
      @marcius778 Год назад +3

      dcs added Multithreading now plays very smoothly

  • @Franseven
    @Franseven Год назад +1

    AWESOME

  • @tosehoed123
    @tosehoed123 Год назад

    What a joke

  • @SuprHorn3t
    @SuprHorn3t Год назад +1

    why does war thunder look so much better? especially at the beginning i’m very confused on how you can even think dcs looks better? like wow lol. “looks more reactive” literally skipping so badly where as war thunder is so much more smooth

    • @rubengobert2226
      @rubengobert2226 Год назад +1

      so first off, he chose the worst time of day in dcs to fly, in literally every game the 12am lighting looks HORRIBLE. DCS looks beautifle in other times of the day. And the skipping is obviously because of lag.

  • @WyattChurp
    @WyattChurp 7 месяцев назад

    Your comparisons are hilarious . Thanks for the laugh

  • @ltankhsd
    @ltankhsd Год назад +1

    Unless I'm mistaken there's no "instructor" in WT SIM.