David Lynch originally made a 4 hour movie (the material was so dense), and then the studio told him to cut in in half. That killed any flow Lynch was going for
It's difficult to say if the film would've been significantly better without studio interference, but it was nevertheless unwelcome. Regardless, a single 4-hour film was clearly out of the question, in terms of being commercially viable, so it would've been better to make 2x 2hrs films instead.
I saw the 1984 version (which had Sting in it) and I didn't understand a single thing about it. On the other hand, I saw the film "1984" in 1984 and it was oppressive, probably because it was meant to be.
Princess Irulan's commentary isn't internal monologue, it's narration: She's reading from her own writing on the history of the universe and the emergence of Muad'dib.
Watch syfy channel’s Dune mini series. Irulan’s narrations works much better there. The production value was low, costume design was hokey, but the source material is there and the acting is good. Still the best attempt so far.
To be fair but I've read the book and personally I felt it did have a grand scope with the action set-pieces it did end up having, particularly in the second half which is ripe for an adaptation to make as epic in scale as possible. Herbert may not write 100 page action sequences but he knows how to describe a scene and what takes place in it. Imagination went wild with a few of them which is why I'm glad to see the new Dune depict some of those action scenes in as grand a way as possible.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays....
@@a.c.8470 Yes I know the documentary. This could have been an awesome movie if it was ever created. But I also understand why the project was never finished. :D
@@haydendutton6916 Don't understand me wrong. I really like the books. But if someone who doesn't know the books would expect an action story like e.g. star wars it could be a little bit disapointing.
Having read "Dune" twice and, consider it one of my Top Ten novels of all time, I know that the 1984 "Dune" has many problems. But, I still love the film.
I just finished reading it for the first time. I'm 29 and have about 100 books both fiction and non fiction, on my shelves and I found Dune to be incredibly overrated. What about it puts it in your top 10?
Well, I just watched the 1984 film after watching the 2021 remake which is indeed a master piece! The 1984 starts OK and the film goes well during the first hour and twenty minutes. Then, it goes into this run of scene after scene that doesn't connect well and doesn't makes sense either. Say, in one scene Paul meets Chani, then they are making out in the next scene and declaring their eternal love to each other, Jessica meets the Fremen in one scene, then she is drinking the Water of Life in the next scene... During the second half, the movie loses all the pace and acceptable construction that it had carried during the first half... I would definitely give it 2 and a half stars out of 5 and those 2.5 starts are because of the first part only!
I've read Dune a few dozen times over past 20 years, I still don't like it and I wouldn't admit that I read the book or recommend this book or film to anyone I know.
12:15 As I recall, and it has been a while since I saw the 1984 version, Dr. Yueh had hidden the plans for the weirding modules with Paul and Jessica when they were going to be dumped in the dessert. I always supposed the Fremen were capable of building them from the plans.
I love the constant whispering and the internal monologues because when I watched it as a kid it was just so dreamy... It was like characters were constantly having a personal and intimate conversations with me.... It really is quite unforgettable and to me it made it a powerful movie, one of my favorites growing up
I completely agree. It is a singular movie. Unfinished and a creative adaptation certainly, but every line delivered by the cast resonates, every scene throbs with unrealised power. It’s greatness will never be realised, but some of us seem able to recognise what it was trying to do.
I couldn't disagree more with you on these 2 version comparisons... Lynch's 1984 version is miles and miles and miles ahead of the art nouveau Villeneuve's version.. which is admittedly pretty but feels empty and unconvincing. Dune isn't meant to be a story that's supposed to be portrayed in a subtle and delicate way... but outspokenly brutal and all encompassing mirroring the vast universe. In the 1984 movie I feel in an far away galaxy... in Villeneuve's version I just feel on a remote movie set in Africa.
For such a "hated" movie there is a torrent of favorable comments here and on IMDB, while it's not perfect ( nothing is) it resonates with me and others.
People "talk" about how much this film is hated but over the past 30 years I've not run into anyone that "hated" it. Even those who think the adaption isn't true.
I remember being enthralled by this movie as a teenager. Still love it on it's own merits. I read the book after. Enjoy them both,as seperate bodys of work. I've yet to read a book and see a "faithfull adaptation"
I read the series when I was 14, having randomly come across it on my grandfather's shelves, and was blown away. The movie was utterly disappointing to me. I guess LotR had set a high bar for movie adaptations, but I hated it so much I could barely finish watching it. So cringey. Pretty amped for the new movie, even though I fear it may be a lil too "action movie", I'm heartened by the casting of Chalemet as Paul.
I love the 1984 movie.... it did not have the special effects because they didn't exist back then. I love the costumes (especially Lady Jessica's), the internal monologues, the score, and the acting, even though Paul Atreides character is not played by a 16 year old boy. All of the dialogues are pretty much verbatim the way they are in the Dune book. I've watched it a million times.
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
If it inspired you to read the book… kudos to the film. I find that most people who have a love for the genre actually enjoyed the movie. I got a lot of questions from friends later since I was the only one who read the book at the time.
To each their own, but Dune is one of my favorite sci fi. Although I think the list is thoughtful and informative I think I disagree with many of the the evaluations it gave as a movie in general. Loved the clarity though. 👍
Yeah. I think they still had Jodowrosky on their minds when choosing a director. They got someone just as weird. But, they approached the project with different passions. AJ might have made a film just as derisive in retrospect. They both would have looked great but lacked the true nature that makes the source material great. Lynch definitely had better actors for the project. The weird choice of fellow directors, surreal artists, rock stars and probably foreign speaking actors would not have meshed well. AJ’s choice of Conceptual Designers was second to none and probably influenced every sci fi project in its wake. Geiger, Foss and Moebius alone are sci fi gods in my book.
This wasn’t even the movie he intended to make, the studio hacked it to shit and he hates the end product. This was the project that turned Lynch off Hollywood for the rest of his career.
@@TheWrongHands18 Ridley Scott was actually the director chosen to helm DUNE, but he left in preproduction due to the death of his brother. That freed him up to direct Blade Runner. If anything, a lot of DUNE's world-building can be credited to Scott, since he was involved in the early creative decisions and directions. Bottom Line, Herbert advised Lynch throughout the production and later said he enjoyed the film. His authority and opinion are the only ones that really matter in the end.
The problem was Dune is a big big story and when the whole thing was filmed it was about five hours long. They had to cut it in half which is still 2.5 hours . Unless you've read the book it can be very confusing but it was , is and always will be my favourite film.
Just watched the Spicediver edit (2022 version), its brilliant in that it builds a bigger universe and tells a more complete story, doesn't seem disjointed now.
@@kinetik68 Right? It's like David Lynch had a vision, crafted all the pieces, and it just needed someone to come along with the creative freedom to put it all together in a coherent manner free from studio meddling.
Despite being an avid fan of science fiction as a teenager; reading Clarke, Asimov, Harrison et al - it was this film adaptation that lead me to seek out the original books.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
Its clearly a deeply flawed film but its also fascinating... the amazing set designs and the overall level of creepiness make it unique and almost mesmerizing at times
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
I was a kid when I watched the movie, but it struck a cord with me. I love the prayer, "I must not fear. Fear is the mindkiller". I used it myself during times of stress to remind me that I need to keep my wits about me and not let fear rob me of my faculties. I later read the books, and while the movie and the books don't jive, there are still parts of the movie that I love, such as the box scene. Mohiam has a commanding voice and powerful presence on screen. The same scenes from the trailer for the new Dune don't quite live up to my expectations. So the 1984 version is flawed, but there's something I really enjoy about it.
I was disappointed by Dune at release in '84 because it wasn't what I expected but I have grown to absolutely love this film. The casting of Siân Phillips as the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, Brian Eno's score, and yes, the haunting voiceovers make this one of my favorite movies of all time.
What Watch Mojo failed to understand is that Yes it can be annoying in the movie But Allot of internal dialogue it is indeed in the book. They blamed it on the producers and director leaving dead spots and not knowing what to do work it. Shows Watch Mojo’s lack of understanding the novel Also. Lol
The 84 Dune is still my shit . This film helped me get through Afghanistan. Nothing helps you get through a day of sitting in the tower like imagining a giant sandworm tearing up the long range and hitting some UXO .
It had more style than the new one. The new one does some things better though. For example, the Imperial Sardaukar shock troops are much more impressive & threatening than the cheap Hazmat suit ones in 1984 Dune.
@@ShakaCthulu yeah there were some things about the original I preferred. For example they mention the spice alot more and you get the impression everyone's got a hard on for the stuff.
It’s a great movie that got a lot in there. It’s way more faithful than blade runner. I never got the impression from the books that they are meant to be action filled. It’s way more about politics and the struggles of manipulating and being manipulated.
@@adamlee2550 Kurt Gabuya just followed the same mental arc that most Trump supporters do, according to research on the phenomenon. See everyone criticising something for legitimate reasons, they decide to defend that criticised thing without understanding anything, just to be edgy, get shot down in flames, but their liking for Trump or watchmojos remains. It's because these people are fucking stupid and have been made to feel stupid by the rest of us since school, they need to own the clever ones somehow, like by defending the indefensible.
A lot of people don't understand good art. A lot of people said that the film have gain a classic cult following. So its up to viewer to like it or not.
I felt the voiceovers were excessive though otherwise in line with use of italics in the novel. They also clearly were necessary in order to fit feature film time constraints.
I loved book and movie and felt it was a great effort considering the restraints. Nothing will ever match the book (or its sequels) except a long series and that would be far too cerebral to last more that a season.
Dune 1984 is a cult classic, I don’t care what anyone says, it was brilliant, campy, cheesy and a kickassed score by TOTO. I am a hug David Lynch fan and this was totally Lynch style.
I love the Lynch version of Dune. As a fan, I was just excited that he attempted to film the story. The book is amazing and cannot be filmed. But Lynch was a brave attempt. I look forward to the new film.
@@karlsmith2570 Not to mention the stillsuits the Fremen created. Those are pretty advanced pieces of tech that allow for survival in one of the most inhospitable places there is. Imagine if we had tech like that today. It would change the world, literally.
Yep, in the book Paul had no superpowers... If you exclude inherited memories of nearly all history, the ability to see the future, the ability to think with the logic processing of a computer... Just a regular dude.
Yes indeed! I've always been impressed by it. The tune I really like is the Desert Theme; it sounds so grand and It has that Toto vibe to it. Not in the least due to Lukather's trademark sound.🙂
I just watched it for the first time and tried to block out all the negativity surrounding it and got sucked in. Brilliant symbolism. Apart from feeling scattered everything was great. Acting , cinematography, score (by Toto?!) and I do like the plot. Ahead of its time. I can get why people wouldn’t like it but it’s far from terrible
Not a great movie but watching this video, I’m really noticing how clean and focused the cinematography looks. There’s no atmosphere - live action Disney movies from the 60’s always had that clean look - crisp and well lit. I liked the cast - yes, Paul is too old. It’s kind of a guilty pleasure.
Exactly! This film is a perfect example of what a great soundtrack can add to a movie. The antithesis of that is Villeneuve's 2049. Zimmer's soundtrack was utterly boring and instantly forgettable.
I was literally the only person in a Queensland cinema when I first watched this film. As a teenager, I left totally confused as to what I had just watched. However, the film's strangeness left a huge impression on me, especially the grand sets, the elaborate costumes and the mystical music by Eno/Toto. It inspired me to read Herbert's books. Subsequent reviewing, along with learning about how Lynch was hindered from making the film he envisioned, has left me appreciative of what the film is and what it could have been. I'd love to see a director's cut one day but given Lynch's attitude, that's unlikely. I'm eagerly waiting in anticipation of Villeneuve's film and to see how he's adapted the source material.
@@michaelfitzpatrickjr I haven't seen it yet as it hasn't been released in cinemas in Australia where I live. I think it's coming out here on December 2nd. However, I'm dying to see it as I greatly admire Villenueve's work. I would go to see it irregardless of the reviews (most of which seem overwhelmingly positive) anyway. Have you seen Villenueve's version? Did you enjoy watching it?
@@joycliffe266 I think you’ll enjoy it. It really captures the mood and feel of the Dune universe. That I think was Denis’s main objective. Once audiences have fallen in love with the world, they’ll stick around for the politics and complexities.
Lynch's Dune is definitely one of my "comfort" movies that I could always go back and watch. It's one that my dad and I would watch atleast once a year, its usually the extended one though.
Yeah. I don't hate it either. I can't take it seriously since it has flaws and some stuff just did not age well but its kinda wild and entertaining so meh.
I got movies like that too. This one is definitely not one of them, but yeah I know what you mean. One movie I love to go back and watch is "Troll". It's 80s fantasy horror(ish) with an iffy plot, and lots of gnarly latex puppets drenched in slime, doing mean things. People who see it for the first time in adult age will think it sucks immensely, but to me it has something magical.
Yea im trying to understand why the movie wasnt well-received, but i also realize that my bias stems from the fact that this was my first introduction into the dune universe from when i used to watch it as a young lad with dad :)
My dad took me to see Dune when I was 6. I had almost no idea what was going on but the Barron disgusted and terrified me, the sandworms amazed me, and the transformation of both men and Arrakis mystified me and left a mark in my soul that I would carry through childhood into my own adulthood. Lynch did the novel great justice with the tools at his disposal.
Haha Same here man. I was on a trip with my dad and apparently he really wanted to watch Dune so he had to take me with him to the theater, I was 5 and yes, the Baron both disgusted and terrified me. I'm 42 now and yesterday I went with my dad to watch the new one and I loved it.
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
@@a.c.8470 yeah...but jordorowskys dune wouldnt have been book accurate either with alot more disturbing scenes and acid trip visuals that wouldve been worse than lynchs movie 🤷♂️ in all honesty after watching the documentary im glad that his movie wasnt made.
Besides all the reasons listed here, I hated Dune 1984 because of the horrible design of every single ship in the movie and even the props used. From ornithopters that didn't flap their wings, to the ugly Atreides transports and handguns that look like industrial staplers, it was an aesthetic mess. At least I hope the new movie has proper ornithopters.
@@ryanlts_9684 It's all about opinions because I enjoy the film but raging over a bit of fiction not matching your expectations is pretty immature. The hating fans act as if they're owed something. This applies to all the other franchises and conversions from book to film. I'm a huge fan of the Dune books but I don't need the film to be accurate, or even remotely similar.
I actually liked the internal monologues- they added a depth that was necessary in describing Dune And I’d rather have someone who has actually read the books narrate and critique it That the narrator slams Lynch for not respecting the source material is rather ironic
He had NO creative freedom when making the movie back then and the finished product was so bad, he disowned it completely. Also, the ENTIRE movie is a condensed 2-hour runtime trying to cram 500+ pages from such a complex book and the changes made really disrespected the source material. The studio made it into a typical ''white boy savior'' story when it wasn't the case in the book. Plus, those insufferable monologues and thoughts are 1 reason why the movie felt rushed and insulting to both Frank Herbert and the Dune fans alike. Everything this movie reminded us is how Villeneuve's version of Dune is a much more faithful adaptation of the book, even with those subtle changes he made to some characters and key moments to make it his own. Villeneuve REALLY understood the assignment, Lynch did not.
@@martinde-serres8724 No, he lost control of the editing process. That’s a far cry from NO creative freedom. Denis doesn’t even touch on the most central themes of Herbert’s work- at all, not once. He’s boiled Dune down to the saga of Paul. Which is understandable, but disappointing. And ironically, Denis’ version has the same issues with condensing the works that Lynch had. And yet you fault Lynch for that dearth but not Denis. The first book leaves Paul as a savior figure. So Lynch’s version is perfectly in keeping with that. No, Paul is not a white savior in Lynch’s version. Lynch’s Fremen are Caucasian. When there is no disparity between the races, a white savior isn’t even a possibility. You’re referencing a poorly written critique of Dune, Herbert’s Dune, by a critic who had never read the book. It’s a well known critique of Dune, akin to Lawrence of Arabia (in which ‘white savior was applicable) as it was overtly obvious that the critic had never read Dune, given no one who had read Dune would’ve ever labeled Paul a ‘white savior’. And the critic was castigated for their review and complete ignorance of the topic. That’s where the now cliched ‘white savior’ line comes from. It wasn’t applicable to Herbert’s Dune and it certainly doesn’t apply to Lynch’s Dune. It’s not applicable in Herbert’s Dune because Paul is far from being a savior. And it’s not applicable in Lynch’s Dune as the Fremen are white. So there’s no reason to insert race where the supposed savior is homogeneous to the indigenous populace. At best, you might presume that Lynch ‘whitewashed’ the Fremen. But he didn’t. The Fremen were described as pale because the Fremen were essentially nocturnal, they didn’t move around in the desert during the day as the climate was far too harsh. It was considered wasteful at best (water loss), and life threatening at worst. The Fremen dreaded the sun and fled to their Seitches during at the first appearance of the sun. So they would’ve lacked almost all melanin as a result of their nocturnal habits. You’re also looking at Dune through a modern political lens. Which is an entirely inappropriate way to look at Lynch’s Dune or Herbert’s. How much more Caucasian could Lynch’s Chani, Stilgar or Janis be? You shoehorned in white savior but it’s a completely inaccurate description of Lynch’s Dune. It reads as if you’re trying desperately to insert modern political paradigms into sci fi where they have no place. And I would guess that’s because you’re consumed with modern politics, such that you find supposed parallels in everything, via confirmation bias, even when such parallels are nonexistent.
@@bry8636 Because it IS a ''white boy savior'' type of story they made with Lynch's version after all that editing. Also, back then, there wasn't a lot of POC actors to fil in most characters in the movie, so they only had Caucasian actors in some make up to separate the different main factions from the book. BTW, I've seen Lynch's Dune and what I said is what it is, stop trying to think that I'm referencing someone else's critique when I gave MY own thoughts about it. Keep your bullshit claims to yourself next time, dipshit.
Terrible video. Most of the dialogue is lifted directly from the book. The casting is amazing (with one or two exceptions - Paul Smith for instance, and probably Sting) and overall it is a David Lynch film from top to bottom. The studio butchered it but at its heart it has the strangeness that makes it stay in the memory. When I saw it at the cinema on release I was confused by the arbitrary studio cut but mesmerised by the feel of the film. I had to see it again and it rewards more viewings, revealing visual and story details you miss the first time. Also Kyle Mclachlan was the same age when he played Paul as Timothée Chalamet was when he played him. 1984 Dune remains a masterpiece of Lynchian filmmaking ruined by the studio. Long live the fighters!
Out of interest, had you read the book before seeing the movie? If not: I think I would've been mesmerized by this film if I hadn't read the book first. Upon reflection, I did enjoy the 'feel' of the film, and certain scenes (I actually thought Sting was pretty good!), but I was too disappointed in the many changes and omissions that were made. If you had: no explanation.
@@ecurb10 Although I was a huge Sci Fi fan and very well read (including a number of Frank Herbert novels) I had never read Dune, so the film had no dissapointing changes or omissions. David Lynch was also quite new to me and I became a big fan of his from this film. I remember reading the book for the first time and being dissapointed in the omissions in the book! I still see and hear Kyle McLachlan in my minds eye when reading it, and I will argue all day that Everett McGill is the perfect Stilgar.
@@gavinturnbull5459 Interesting. So you don't hold any criticism for the movie not being true to the book? Don't you have it the wrong way around, lol?
@@ecurb10 The Spicediver edit of Lynchs film is the closest to the book and I highly recommend that if you haven't seen it. On the other hand the book is the best. Sometimes a director who is less in awe of the source material makes a better job of it as he is not frightened to change things, othertimes not so much. I am really looking forward to Villeneuves version but I am not expecting a carbon copy. I'll be happy with a good film. Dune fanatics will never be totally happy (witness the facebook group postings that people won't see the film as one of the actors has the wrong shaped nose!).
@@gavinturnbull5459 Yep there'll always be the crazy fanatics. Otherwise, glad you enjoyed the Lynch film...maybe I'm just jealous and wish I did! Cheers mate.
I absolutely adore this movie-- I appreciate the Lynchian flavor it has, which is a kind of camp- it perfectly rides the line of being the most bad-ass awesome off the charts sci-fi art and pure camp- a combination rarely ever seen executed with such prowess. It stands alone as a masterpiece because of this. And all the better that it isn’t constrained by mainstream stylistic influences (such as that narration taboo)- this just adds to its magic. I’ve heard so much that this film is hated, but like here in this thread, I see a whole lotta love. One of my favorite films of all time hands down
I too liked the movie... But there is nothing inaccurate about this video, and it's only gotten more apparent over time. That doesn't mean that the movie cannot still be enjoyed.
I loved and still love the Lynch's Dune. It's cheesy, and different, and also misses the mark on certain key aspect of the source material. But it's still something worth to watch. Even if Villeneuve's Dune turns out to be the best adaptation of Frank Herbert's work to date (and I believe so because, come on, Villneuve is a genius), I will still love it because he made me discover the books
@1234 I don't say the movie is trash, isn't good either and I don't defend what can't be defended. But I got to say this, book is better? Of course, mostly all the time is like that. If this movie made me want to read the book, it at least did something good. If a movie, or a series or anything else make you want to know more about it (including reading the book from what is based on) you have to give credit to it.
The depiction of the Navigator takes the cake imho. So weird, so relatable, so creepy in such an awesome way. "Many machines...on Ix....new...machines...."
1984 version had potential UNFORTUNATELY ITS NOT A STORY THAT CAN BE SHOWN WITH A SINGLE MOVIE THAT MAKES IT SUCKS IMAGINE STAR WARS made within a Single Movie , how awful that would be , cuz theirs so much to tell
The final scene with the rain is Paul folding space between Arrakis and Caladan. This power was detailed in the movie as belonging to the Guild Navigators, so having Paul demonstrate this power showed his growth as a spice recipient and as the Kwisatz Haderach. The movie didn't go into the life cycle of the worms, so the consequences of rain on Arrakis were not known to the movie goers. Turning the weirding way into sound powered ray guns was ... not ideal. But kung fu on sand dunes would have been just as poor a choice, if not worse. Imagine the fight scenes between the Fremen and the Sardaukar: The Fremen somehow manage to close to knife and fist range with legions of Sardaukar who are armed with lasguns, stunners, and Maula pistols, how? And then once in hand to hand range the Fremen start beating them up using martial arts. Yeah, that's not going to play well. Being limited to a typical movie run time, 1984's Dune did as best as could be expected. Every other adaptation, finished or not, has had much more time to explore the setting.
@@rayfeighery3245 Oh, really? Please tell us all exactly how much space you've folded in order to establish your expertise on the subject. All kidding aside, this is exactly what Paul does at the end of the 1984 Dune movie. It is not in line with the books, for the previously mentioned reasons of the ecology of the worms, but given that the movie didn't go into that ecology and most viewers can be assumed to not have a clue about it, it was a fair artistic license.
7:33 “Personal shields have rendered projectile weapons largely obsolete. As such, blade weapons and hand to hand combat are the norm.” So I guess that’s how they could get in hand to hand range.
@@chalp1290 Nope. Wasn't a fan first time around, then I watched it with a mate who'd read the books, so having a guide really helped me understand the universe and I found myself enjoying it immensely - I now have a nice widescreen/special edition on DVD. I came to realise it was a great and unique looking movie.
That scene where the dr is popping boils on the barons face , and the guys smashes and drinks the bug. Then the Baron floats under the pipe oozing black slime it doesn’t explain. The heart plugs get pulled, the strange way the girl says how can this be? At the end. And off course the whispering .
@@chalp1290 - When the 2021 version was announced I watched it and the 2000 series again - with the eyes of a 48-year-old. Love em' both. I'm pretty sure I'll like the new one too. We have faith in your generation - but you have to try and be tolerant of other perspectives. Cheers.
I agree, it’s a terrible adaptation of the book, from the modules, to the Baron, to the constant voice over. But to me, it’s like that ugly child only a mother could love. I think that’s why I like it. Plus I like Toto’s soundtrack and Brian Eno’s contribution to the soundtrack.
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
Dune 1984 is one of my all time favorite movies, it is so deep and complex and contains so much in it. I hated all the other Dune adaptations! I think the main problem of Dune 1984 is that it was published as the new Star Wars but is is absolutly NOT! It is NOT for young audiance and it is more like an artistic movie and not a popcoren movie! It was amistake to publish it for a wide audiance but I understand the production had to retun their huge investment.
That’s funny Mojo sounds so certain that this film is hated, yet I’ve never heard a single person speak ill of it (apart from the obvious non-respect of original source material and being too long a movie). The way it seems, you’re damning this masterpiece simply because it was made in the 80’s. All the things you’re stating are reasons people hate it are actually very typical for an 80’s movie. Not a fair view for this incredibly ambitious work of art.
The amount of copium in the comment section is hilarious. I bet youd defend the original blade runner theatrical release with the Harrison ford commentary.
@@0Asterite0 Never even seen Blade Runner lol. Saw Dune when I was a kid and once or twice since and it held up. Obviously most 80’s movies are garbage but this one was considerably ambitious and a lot of heart was put into it. All I’m saying is there’s a reason it’s a cult classic.
It's one of the best movies I've seen in my life and I saw almost all Sci-Fi movies were produced since 80s until now. Imagine what we could get, if Lynch would not be pushed to cut most of the scenes. I would rather hear about 5 reasons why some people love this film.
Say what you want. I love this movie and always have. The costumes were elaborate and elegant and the grotesque makeup was awesome! Sometimes you have to appreciate things in their essence and not rip it apart by pulling that strings. Part of it's charm is some of the quirky effects, thought voices and over the top drama. The only thing I would change is if it was longer.
@@Jocelyn_Herrick We're talking about a difference of 35 years in filmmaking technology. Not to mention David Lynch is a completely different type of director. Each piece of art can stand on its own and doesn't need to compare. One thing for sure, the costumes in the original Dune are beyond reproach and the detail and effort put into them was significant. In Dune 2020 it's like they ran out of money for costumes. Their armor looked cheap and flimsy and the fabrics were of poor quality.
You listed this in your Top 10 Worst Book to Film Adaptations. Yet you praised it on multiple occasions as well. Personally, I don't hate this movie, I wouldn't say that this movie is completely without merit.
I never hated the movie, but I didn't love it either. I agree that was furious that they changed great details and some of the costumes were actually great but some could have been done better.
@@roguejester4986 Same. Let's hope Denis gets it right as Frank Herbert's son, Brian who has written more for the Dune universe has praised Denis. Even Jodorowsky is praising Denis's vision though he has reservations that can Denis get it right.
The flaws the new movie didn't fix btw. It just added its own. At least we got a whole bunch of stars from the original. So was Sting a musician or an actor back then?
Dune 1984 is one of the greatest sci fi epics ever. Lynch absolutely nailed the tone of the film. Yes, the effects are shoddy, and the theatrical version is poorly edited, but there's a fan edit that restores the film to its (almost) full runtime by restoring deleted scenes, finishing special fx, and so on. "Alternative Edition Redux". It's on youtube. In that version, it's an absolute masterpiece. There's no way the new film will even come close.
The bad cutting is actually a shame for this movie and by far its worst problem. As many mistakes as it may have - I still absolutely love it! The actors are great and I just love its gloomy, mystic atmosphere and the spoken thoughts of people are definitely a part of that. Weird & beautiful. Just great art.
I've seen it so many times, now I enjoy speaking some of the lines along with the actors as I watch: "There is a Harkonnen among them!" "Give the Harkonnen a blade!" "The slow blade penetrates the shield." "Remove your hand from the box...young human!" "You'll have no need of your weapons with me, Gurney Halleck!" "And how can this be!? ........For he is the Kwisatz Haderach!!" "Who is this Muad'Dib?" "Feyd!!!!" "Usul has called a big one! Again, it is the prophecy!" "The worm is the spice! The spice is the worm!"
" But Sire, We can't leave all this spice" "Damn, the spice, get out of there" " He cares more about his men than the spice??, I must admit, against better judgment, I like this duke"
Where did they get the weirding modules? The Fremen made them, in the same way they made their thumpers and other equipment. You must have missed the scene where Jessica and Paul discover not only the Ducal ring but PLANS for the weirding modules that Yueh left them. Did not do the research!
This is my wife's and father-in Laws favorite movie. if you put on DUNE in front of my wife she will stop everything she is doing and sit down and watch the whole thing.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
This was my favorite Movie growing up. It is still my favorite movie now. The soundtrack gives me chills, the entire movie is eyecandy and I still want every dress/ outfit in this movie. Little Allia dancing in the wind with the knife was just so unforgettably badass..
The book is SO difficult to read and keep straight. Orange Catholic and Choam contracts and the like. Yikes. It is a passable movie though and filmed beautifully with awesome sets.
No one hates 1984 Dune. I love it but I love campy nonsense. So most people either love if for that reason or they are lukewarm on it or just don’t care. No one actively hates this movie though.
Draconisrex1 0 seconds ago I saw that one too. I actually liked it less. Irulan flying all over the galaxy. Screwing around with Feyd Rautha. The very weird navigator which was some floating fairy instead of man turning into a worm as the books taught us. The cheesy, very-low budget costumes that looked like they were picked-up from a bankrupt Princess Costume factory...
Draconisrex1 0 seconds ago I saw that one too. I actually liked it less. Irulan flying all over the galaxy. Screwing around with Feyd Rautha. The very weird navigator which was some floating fairy instead of man turning into a worm as the books taught us. The cheesy, very-low budget costumes that looked like they were picked-up from a bankrupt Princess Costume factory...
I watched the syfy version a few times. I had it on dvd. Loved it despite some terrible effects, costumes and acting. I thought most of the main characters did a good job. Oh, and the 1984 version is absolute trash because it completely butchers the story and the acting is some of the worst i've ever seen in any movie.
Yeah the studio cut 2-3 hours from his original version. It’s a shame he is so resentful towards it, otherwise we might have got a director’s cut by now.
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
I love David Lynch's Dune, have seen the movie more then 20 times and I I like to watch it again and again... Kyle MacLachlan, Kenneth McMillan, Jürgen Prochnow but also everyone else delivered a fantastic acting performance. I like the book of Frank Herbert too! Both can stand for themselves.
@@UnimatrixOne there are decent performances, but maybe you’re right. I think it has to do more with the writing. the internal monologues are instantaneously cringe every time. it’s awesome how they do those in the books, but some things are best left to the pages as they don’t translate well to cinema
Any translation to screen of Dune is going to be an interpretation of Frank Herbert's work. Dune (1984) is genuinely flawed, both as an adaption of the source material, and as a film. It doesn't really feel like a David Lynch movie, either. It is easy to sense the meddling if you have any familiarity with his better works. I personally find 80's Dune fascinating and entertaining. I can enjoy the bad things for how bad they are and I can enjoy the good things too. It really does look expensive. The sets (Emperor's Palace) are huge and amazing and on screen for 10 minutes. The costumes! The extras. The cinematography! It has Patrick Stewart. It has dogs. It has Brad Brad Dourif's eyebrows.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays...
The studio was in a frantic mess to get the movie off the ground once they dismissed (more “fired”) Jodorowsky as having a too expensive & whatever else b.s. reasons & Lynch didn’t want to do a blockbuster and didn’t help he lost creative control
As a girl who grew up with this movie, I take issue with the "women only there for the men". I felt very inspired by the women of this movie. Maybe you had to grow up with it.
Agree. In the movie, like the book, women are incredibly empowered. The nuns are most feared by all and have much power over rulers and leadership. This is established. Likewise Jessica and Alia are forces alongside Paul in the struggle of the Fremen. With Paul being the sole exception, only women can be recipients of the Water of Life. The future depends on Alia, a woman.
I completly agree with you! My dad loves Dune and has read all the books numerous times. So, I grew up watching this movie and I don't agree with the message that "women in Dune were only there to serve men." I think it's a crap statement that hold no fact into the movie and book.
I don’t know why everyone hates Dune 1984, I think it was one of the best sci-fi movies ever. I loved everything about it-the acting and the score is amazing.
The novel is one of the greatest SciFi books ever written. Lynch’s film changes the story so much it should have also changed the title. Calling it Dune is grossly misleading.
@@iamthesayyadina That is a fair point, I never read the book to be honest but did enjoy the film. Normally if a film is good I am temped to read the book. Normally if I read a book before watching a film then the film is a bit of a let down. I my seek out the book on your recommendation.
You guys ask where did Paul get all of the weirding modules from if they were destroyed. But you forgot about how Dr Yueh left the plans for the modules in the thopter they were sent to the desert in.
1234 you know what I didn’t imagine that particular vision during the reading but after the movie I added that decaying grossness to my overall impression of the Baron. I feel like I was able to meld the physical aspects from the movie with the information from the book in my head to create a more complete picture. I liked the movie’s depiction of the Fremen and the still suits and many other little things. I felt it enhanced my reading. Also I think the Baron used his oafishness to fool his enemies.
Lynch’s “Dune” is BRILLIANT. Kids nowadays can’t watch a film if it’s not all choreographed fighting, CGI, and explosions. “Dune’84” is thoughtful, methodical, and stylish. Furthermore, far more filmgoers had actually READ THE BOOK back then, and were able to follow the film. How many kids nowadays have read “Dune”? How many had even heard of it before the promotions for the upcoming “Dune”movie debuted? This video is nothing more than another promotion for the new film.
What do you think of Dune 1984? Are you excited for the upcoming movie adaptation?
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My favorite movie.
I LOVE THE 2020 VERSION BETTER!
It's not hated at all and if you get the EXTENDED version of the movie a lot of the plot holes are explained. It was a great movie and still is!
@Jim tastic lol
Ever notice how Patrick Stewart stopped aging after the 80s
Lol
It's like his age is accelerated then suddenly halted.
of corse: he started assuming melange in Dune.
I’d rather people notice how hilarious he was on American Dad
Numinous123 Patrick Stewart looked like he was 70 back in 1984, and he still looks 70 today.
David Lynch originally made a 4 hour movie (the material was so dense), and then the studio told him to cut in in half. That killed any flow Lynch was going for
That explains why the movie seems rushed after they meet the Fremen.
that's his fault for being deluded enough to think he could fit all of that book into one film
It's difficult to say if the film would've been significantly better without studio interference, but it was nevertheless unwelcome.
Regardless, a single 4-hour film was clearly out of the question, in terms of being commercially viable, so it would've been better to make 2x 2hrs films instead.
May that excluded footage be utilized someday in my lifetime...
@@LoLoKlang Spicediver fan edit, it's here on RUclips in 4K upscale. 3 hours of brilliance.
It is an extremely poor adaptation of the book, but a highly entertaining film nonetheless. I have a soft spot for it.
Me too.
Sums up my feelings precisely. “USUL HAS CALLED A BIG ONE! AGAIN, IT IS THE LEGEND!”
I feel the same way, I didn't read the book until after the movie came out. I just love the cheesiness of the movie. The sleeper has awakened!
I agree!
Its so bad that its good
I love the 1984 version. It’s weird, campy and filled with strange directorial choices
Love your comment 😂
I saw the 1984 version (which had Sting in it) and I didn't understand a single thing about it.
On the other hand, I saw the film "1984" in 1984 and it was oppressive, probably because it was meant to be.
Yeah this movie looks like a boring version of Dune
And good music.
@@moralityisnotsubjective5 epic music
Princess Irulan's commentary isn't internal monologue, it's narration: She's reading from her own writing on the history of the universe and the emergence of Muad'dib.
Yeah but it just didn't work
@@drakashrakenburgproduction5369 I think her narration works better than the internal monologues!
Watch syfy channel’s Dune mini series. Irulan’s narrations works much better there. The production value was low, costume design was hokey, but the source material is there and the acting is good. Still the best attempt so far.
Hope Ana De Armas plays her In Part 2 of the second half the book for villeneuve version
People just don't want to go deep. They like Bright and Shiny distractions. Love Lynch's Dune!
Lack of action in the movie? Sorry, have you ever read the book? Dune is everything else but action. It's mostly dialog after dialog after dialog.
To be fair but I've read the book and personally I felt it did have a grand scope with the action set-pieces it did end up having, particularly in the second half which is ripe for an adaptation to make as epic in scale as possible.
Herbert may not write 100 page action sequences but he knows how to describe a scene and what takes place in it. Imagination went wild with a few of them which is why I'm glad to see the new Dune depict some of those action scenes in as grand a way as possible.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays....
@@a.c.8470 Yes I know the documentary. This could have been an awesome movie
if it was ever created. But I also understand why the project was never finished. :D
@@haydendutton6916 Don't understand me wrong. I really like the books. But if someone who doesn't know the books would expect an action story like e.g. star wars it could be a little bit disapointing.
see the remake please
Having read "Dune" twice and, consider it one of my Top Ten novels of all time, I know that the 1984 "Dune" has many problems. But, I still love the film.
I just finished reading it for the first time. I'm 29 and have about 100 books both fiction and non fiction, on my shelves and I found Dune to be incredibly overrated. What about it puts it in your top 10?
What did you think of the 2021 remake?
Well, I just watched the 1984 film after watching the 2021 remake which is indeed a master piece!
The 1984 starts OK and the film goes well during the first hour and twenty minutes. Then, it goes into this run of scene after scene that doesn't connect well and doesn't makes sense either. Say, in one scene Paul meets Chani, then they are making out in the next scene and declaring their eternal love to each other, Jessica meets the Fremen in one scene, then she is drinking the Water of Life in the next scene...
During the second half, the movie loses all the pace and acceptable construction that it had carried during the first half... I would definitely give it 2 and a half stars out of 5 and those 2.5 starts are because of the first part only!
I've read Dune a few dozen times over past 20 years, I still don't like it and I wouldn't admit that I read the book or recommend this book or film to anyone I know.
@@grahamsmith5396 why on earth did you read it over and over again? Just a question from a non-reader.
12:15 As I recall, and it has been a while since I saw the 1984 version, Dr. Yueh had hidden the plans for the weirding modules with Paul and Jessica when they were going to be dumped in the dessert. I always supposed the Fremen were capable of building them from the plans.
I love the constant whispering and the internal monologues because when I watched it as a kid it was just so dreamy... It was like characters were constantly having a personal and intimate conversations with me.... It really is quite unforgettable and to me it made it a powerful movie, one of my favorites growing up
Exactly!!
Also those weird internal monologues are exactly as the book is written!
@@Lastielion But people don't whisper to themselves, they talk. When you think something to yourself, do you whisper? It's maddening and stupid.
Thank you for not joining the bandwagon bashing this film. It is far from perfect but it wasn't half bad
@@journeysands2622 It was terrible and set Dune back decades
I personally loved Dune 1984. No, it’s not perfect, but I enjoyed it.
Think it has a cult following of sorts 🙂
@@LucyLioness100 It *totally* has a 'Cult Following,’ lol!
I completely agree. It is a singular movie. Unfinished and a creative adaptation certainly, but every line delivered by the cast resonates, every scene throbs with unrealised power. It’s greatness will never be realised, but some of us seem able to recognise what it was trying to do.
Same.. But if you want a faithful adaptation of Dune, then "Frank Herbert's Dune" (The miniseries) is the way to go 😊 I love that adaptation...
👍
Not a Plot Hole: They were able to recreate the weirding modules because Yueh saved the plans for Duke and Jessica and hid them in the ornithopter
Just like not know whos internal dialog we are hearing... some of these are just reaching to fill a list
The plans yes, but the manufacturing is the plot hole i think.
There was nothing like that in the book, they came up with them for the movie. Have you even read the book
@@therecanonlybeone7131 Whether or not its in the book doesnt change the fact thats its not a plot hole.
These guys aren't famous for the depth of the research that goes into these videos.
I couldn't disagree more with you on these 2 version comparisons...
Lynch's 1984 version is miles and miles and miles ahead of the art nouveau Villeneuve's version.. which is admittedly pretty but feels empty and unconvincing.
Dune isn't meant to be a story that's supposed to be portrayed in a subtle and delicate way... but outspokenly brutal and all encompassing mirroring the vast universe.
In the 1984 movie I feel in an far away galaxy... in Villeneuve's version I just feel on a remote movie set in Africa.
Wait what? Dune (1984) is hated?! It's one of my favourite movies. And I love the book too.
There are significant number of people, who hate this film...
I can see why some like it, but to me it is an abomination
The movie is a complete and utter bore..
Even Lynch hates it.
I went to watch the movie after reading the book. I was not happy.
I think Also..its s masterpiece
For such a "hated" movie there is a torrent of favorable comments here and on IMDB, while it's not perfect ( nothing is) it resonates with me and others.
its purely click bait..and look over there 10 top reasons why dune 2020 will be the best sci fi movie ever..i think someone is getting paided...hmmm
Never saw the film but based upon these clips, it looks awful.
Sounds like you never read any of the books
Its only good if you haven't read the books.
@Max Ambient it's very hated among the people who've actually read the book
People "talk" about how much this film is hated but over the past 30 years I've not run into anyone that "hated" it. Even those who think the adaption isn't true.
If anything, I've ru and into people who couldn't understand it unless they had watched it multiple times
I remember being enthralled by this movie as a teenager.
Still love it on it's own merits.
I read the book after.
Enjoy them both,as seperate bodys of work.
I've yet to read a book and see a "faithfull adaptation"
We don't hate it. We just can't bear to watch even 10 min. of it... it's the ultimate cringe-fest of the 1980s.
Watched it today and that movie is ass.
No cap.
I read the series when I was 14, having randomly come across it on my grandfather's shelves, and was blown away. The movie was utterly disappointing to me. I guess LotR had set a high bar for movie adaptations, but I hated it so much I could barely finish watching it. So cringey. Pretty amped for the new movie, even though I fear it may be a lil too "action movie", I'm heartened by the casting of Chalemet as Paul.
I love the 1984 movie.... it did not have the special effects because they didn't exist back then. I love the costumes (especially Lady Jessica's), the internal monologues, the score, and the acting, even though Paul Atreides character is not played by a 16 year old boy. All of the dialogues are pretty much verbatim the way they are in the Dune book. I've watched it a million times.
It's not hated, it's polarizing.
Which pole are you on?
Most people don’t care for it
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
@@a.c.8470 Shut up. You keep posting the same comment over and over.
@1234 doesn't make it less annoying you pretentious muppet
I loved the 84 Dune, and because I watched it before reading the source material, it gets a pass for all the misses.
If it inspired you to read the book… kudos to the film. I find that most people who have a love for the genre actually enjoyed the movie. I got a lot of questions from friends later since I was the only one who read the book at the time.
@@TheWrongHands18 Inclusivity is way more enjoyable than exclusivity.
I love the movie, and then later read every book in the series.
@ who hurt you?
To each their own, but Dune is one of my favorite sci fi. Although I think the list is thoughtful and informative I think I disagree with many of the the evaluations it gave as a movie in general. Loved the clarity though. 👍
Was anybody expecting Lynch to make a clear, concise, linear movie? Has he ever?
Yeah. I think they still had Jodowrosky on their minds when choosing a director. They got someone just as weird. But, they approached the project with different passions. AJ might have made a film just as derisive in retrospect. They both would have looked great but lacked the true nature that makes the source material great. Lynch definitely had better actors for the project. The weird choice of fellow directors, surreal artists, rock stars and probably foreign speaking actors would not have meshed well. AJ’s choice of Conceptual Designers was second to none and probably influenced every sci fi project in its wake. Geiger, Foss and Moebius alone are sci fi gods in my book.
This wasn’t even the movie he intended to make, the studio hacked it to shit and he hates the end product. This was the project that turned Lynch off Hollywood for the rest of his career.
@@TheWrongHands18 Ridley Scott was actually the director chosen to helm DUNE, but he left in preproduction due to the death of his brother. That freed him up to direct Blade Runner. If anything, a lot of DUNE's world-building can be credited to Scott, since he was involved in the early creative decisions and directions. Bottom Line, Herbert advised Lynch throughout the production and later said he enjoyed the film. His authority and opinion are the only ones that really matter in the end.
The problem was Dune is a big big story and when the whole thing was filmed it was about five hours long. They had to cut it in half which is still 2.5 hours . Unless you've read the book it can be very confusing but it was , is and always will be my favourite film.
The Straight Story. Elephant Man was also very linear and easy to understand.
The 3 hour Spicediver fan edit of Dune 1984 returns it to the status of masterpiece. The best version of Dune that exists.
oh yes, it even got official release this year - thats how good it is
Just watched the Spicediver edit (2022 version), its brilliant in that it builds a bigger universe and tells a more complete story, doesn't seem disjointed now.
@@kinetik68 Right? It's like David Lynch had a vision, crafted all the pieces, and it just needed someone to come along with the creative freedom to put it all together in a coherent manner free from studio meddling.
I'll have to check that out. Going to see Dune part 2 on imax tomorrow. I'm pretty pumped.
@@breelee4362Beware, the sword sounds are DEAFENING on IMAX for some reason.
Despite being an avid fan of science fiction as a teenager; reading Clarke, Asimov, Harrison et al - it was this film adaptation that lead me to seek out the original books.
The original Dune movie was a strange and truly unique work of art, something that's hard to find.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
It's a great and unique movie that isn't necessarily Dune..
A visually unique, electrifying, bizarre and sadistic film, miles better than the corny, audience pleasing star wars.
Jodorowsky is a great writer for graphic novels but also an egotistical man who makes his Dune story greater than it probably was.
Strange and discombobulated doesn’t mean it’s once in a life time art
Its clearly a deeply flawed film but its also fascinating... the amazing set designs and the overall level of creepiness make it unique and almost mesmerizing at times
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
Love the creepy stuff, too
I was a kid when I watched the movie, but it struck a cord with me. I love the prayer, "I must not fear. Fear is the mindkiller". I used it myself during times of stress to remind me that I need to keep my wits about me and not let fear rob me of my faculties. I later read the books, and while the movie and the books don't jive, there are still parts of the movie that I love, such as the box scene. Mohiam has a commanding voice and powerful presence on screen. The same scenes from the trailer for the new Dune don't quite live up to my expectations. So the 1984 version is flawed, but there's something I really enjoy about it.
I too use it
There are so many great lines from the movie, new films only have visuals but none of the story and heart of the old movie.
I was disappointed by Dune at release in '84 because it wasn't what I expected but I have grown to absolutely love this film. The casting of Siân Phillips as the Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam, Brian Eno's score, and yes, the haunting voiceovers make this one of my favorite movies of all time.
brian eno did the main theme, toto scored
Siam Phillips was totally wonderful. Also a perfect Ann Smiley. “Everyone’s love to Ann.”
@@jeffyp2483 Brian did the prophecy theme, not the main theme. The rest is Toto.
@@happiness1772 yes! thanks for the correction.🤘
Yes, Sian Phillips is remarkable in this role - immense gravitas, supreme
But I love the whispering internal monologues
_The spice most flow_
Pure unrefined spice
The sleeper has awoken.
The film was so far ahead of its time
@@FooserX
I really liked it.
I wish we could see the Lynch version, Directors Cut.
What Watch Mojo failed to understand is that Yes it can be annoying in the movie But Allot of internal dialogue it is indeed in the book. They blamed it on the producers and director leaving dead spots and not knowing what to do work it. Shows Watch Mojo’s lack of understanding the novel Also. Lol
The 84 Dune is still my shit . This film helped me get through Afghanistan. Nothing helps you get through a day of sitting in the tower like imagining a giant sandworm tearing up the long range and hitting some UXO .
I listened to the book in a tower staring at nothing. I feel you brother
@@flopus7 and when I worked the search pit I referred to the locals as the Fremen.
It had more style than the new one. The new one does some things better though. For example, the Imperial Sardaukar shock troops are much more impressive & threatening than the cheap Hazmat suit ones in 1984 Dune.
@@ShakaCthulu yeah there were some things about the original I preferred. For example they mention the spice alot more and you get the impression everyone's got a hard on for the stuff.
Making the harkonnons bald and making the baron not super ugly was a smart move- the 1984 baron Vladmir harkonnen kinda freaked me out
Personally I thought the The Movie was a Classic, and a Great Movie...
Agreed
For the time
Agreed, BUT to be fair I never read the books
@@pbyrondii you can listen to them on here for free;-)
It’s a great movie that got a lot in there. It’s way more faithful than blade runner. I never got the impression from the books that they are meant to be action filled. It’s way more about politics and the struggles of manipulating and being manipulated.
10 reasons Watchmojo doesnt understand the 1984 movie
10 reasons to block WatchMojo.
10 reason watchers are butthurt at watchmojos opinionated videos
@@CozyKG Are you defending watch mojo?
Do you own a mirror?
@@adamlee2550 Kurt Gabuya just followed the same mental arc that most Trump supporters do, according to research on the phenomenon.
See everyone criticising something for legitimate reasons, they decide to defend that criticised thing without understanding anything, just to be edgy, get shot down in flames, but their liking for Trump or watchmojos remains. It's because these people are fucking stupid and have been made to feel stupid by the rest of us since school, they need to own the clever ones somehow, like by defending the indefensible.
A lot of people don't understand good art. A lot of people said that the film have gain a classic cult following. So its up to viewer to like it or not.
I absolutely love this movie. I also loved the voice overs as a means to see what the characters are thinking.
I felt the voiceovers were excessive though otherwise in line with use of italics in the novel. They also clearly were necessary in order to fit feature film time constraints.
I loved book and movie and felt it was a great effort considering the restraints. Nothing will ever match the book (or its sequels) except a long series and that would be far too cerebral to last more that a season.
Agreed.
I agree and I also enjoyed the voice over
I haven't seen the movie but just finished the book and the voice-overs seem appropriate to the italicized sections.
Dune 1984 is a cult classic, I don’t care what anyone says, it was brilliant, campy, cheesy and a kickassed score by TOTO. I am a hug David Lynch fan and this was totally Lynch style.
I love the Lynch version of Dune. As a fan, I was just excited that he attempted to film the story. The book is amazing and cannot be filmed. But Lynch was a brave attempt. I look forward to the new film.
They go out of the way to explain that Dr. Yueh packed the blueprints for the weirding modules with Paul and Jessica. Did you even watch the movie?
Obviously, whoever made this video had skipped that part in the movie, or they'd never watched it
And the fremen were highly industrial.
@@kevinharkness2108 Exactly
Especially when you consider the water collectors and the reservoirs they have
@@karlsmith2570 Not to mention the stillsuits the Fremen created. Those are pretty advanced pieces of tech that allow for survival in one of the most inhospitable places there is. Imagine if we had tech like that today. It would change the world, literally.
@@DeadlyDanDaMan Yes
It most certainly would
Mojo, give up. The comments below are clear: you don't know what you're talking about. 84 Dune is largely loved.
David Lynch hated it, tbh.
By unreasonable sci fi fanboys. Anyone else... not so much
Largely loved by the people who bother to search up videos about Dune*
nop
The thumbs say otherwise. 3 times as many up-votes as down.
Yep, in the book Paul had no superpowers... If you exclude inherited memories of nearly all history, the ability to see the future, the ability to think with the logic processing of a computer... Just a regular dude.
Honourable Mention:
TOTO’s Epic Soundtrack.
I love the soundtrack!! Its one of the best soundtrack ever
People can disagree all day about the 1984 version of Dune, but the soundtrack was right on point. Great mix of mysterious, beautiful, and epic.
The high point of which is Brian Eno’s desert theme which sends shivers through me every time I hear it.
Agreed! TOTO did an incredible job. I'm surprised they never took on another film soundtrack.
Yes indeed! I've always been impressed by it. The tune I really like is the Desert Theme; it sounds so grand and It has that Toto vibe to it. Not in the least due to Lukather's trademark sound.🙂
I disagree completely it’s one of the best movies to come out of the 80s and it holds a place of honor in my movie collection!
Lmfao.
I just watched it for the first time and tried to block out all the negativity surrounding it and got sucked in. Brilliant symbolism. Apart from feeling scattered everything was great. Acting , cinematography, score (by Toto?!) and I do like the plot. Ahead of its time. I can get why people wouldn’t like it but it’s far from terrible
@tubeyou haynes Gary Stu, Marty Stu, or Larry Stu, not mary
The book has those internal conversations i.e. the characters are thinking to themselves. I liked the inclusion in the film.
And chapters begin with an extract of princess' Irulan history of Paul Muad'Dib
Not a great movie but watching this video, I’m really noticing how clean and focused the cinematography looks. There’s no atmosphere - live action Disney movies from the 60’s always had that clean look - crisp and well lit. I liked the cast - yes, Paul is too old. It’s kind of a guilty pleasure.
Lynch's D U N E is wonderful, weird and awesome... one of my favorite films. I'm even more obsessed with the fantastic score by Toto (and Brian Eno).
Toto...what a great soundtrack!! One of the best ever...the prophesy theme...its a masterpiece
It's a great film! Love the music score, also :)
Love TOTO!
@@SamSchiffer The remake just lays there. Bored to tears. Fail.
Exactly! This film is a perfect example of what a great soundtrack can add to a movie.
The antithesis of that is Villeneuve's 2049.
Zimmer's soundtrack was utterly boring and instantly forgettable.
I was literally the only person in a Queensland cinema when I first watched this film. As a teenager, I left totally confused as to what I had just watched. However, the film's strangeness left a huge impression on me, especially the grand sets, the elaborate costumes and the mystical music by Eno/Toto. It inspired me to read Herbert's books. Subsequent reviewing, along with learning about how Lynch was hindered from making the film he envisioned, has left me appreciative of what the film is and what it could have been. I'd love to see a director's cut one day but given Lynch's attitude, that's unlikely. I'm eagerly waiting in anticipation of Villeneuve's film and to see how he's adapted the source material.
I agree. The movie made me read the whole series. It was, like anything, shaped by it 's time as well. Costumes, hair, makeup.
@@nobody1k Thanks for replying and sharing your thoughts Meg. It's made me feel like I'm less out on a limb out there and that others feel the same!
What do you think of the Villeneuve's Dune adaptation? Just curious
@@michaelfitzpatrickjr I haven't seen it yet as it hasn't been released in cinemas in Australia where I live. I think it's coming out here on December 2nd. However, I'm dying to see it as I greatly admire Villenueve's work. I would go to see it irregardless of the reviews (most of which seem overwhelmingly positive) anyway. Have you seen Villenueve's version? Did you enjoy watching it?
@@joycliffe266 I think you’ll enjoy it. It really captures the mood and feel of the Dune universe. That I think was Denis’s main objective. Once audiences have fallen in love with the world, they’ll stick around for the politics and complexities.
Lynch's Dune is definitely one of my "comfort" movies that I could always go back and watch. It's one that my dad and I would watch atleast once a year, its usually the extended one though.
It's a good point. I need to buy the extended version.
There’s an extended version?
Yeah. I don't hate it either. I can't take it seriously since it has flaws and some stuff just did not age well but its kinda wild and entertaining so meh.
I got movies like that too. This one is definitely not one of them, but yeah I know what you mean.
One movie I love to go back and watch is "Troll". It's 80s fantasy horror(ish) with an iffy plot, and lots of gnarly latex puppets drenched in slime, doing mean things. People who see it for the first time in adult age will think it sucks immensely, but to me it has something magical.
Yea im trying to understand why the movie wasnt well-received, but i also realize that my bias stems from the fact that this was my first introduction into the dune universe from when i used to watch it as a young lad with dad :)
Massive plot holes - Proceeds to show one plot hole that's actually not a plot hole.
I LOVE 84 DUNE; It Is A Piece Of 80s ART and An Introduction to the DUNE Universe😍
Universe - nothing in this vers
It’s a disgrace to the art of filmmaking
I like it too, even though I've never read the Dune books; I'm anxiously waiting for the 2020 remake; aren't you?
@Musky Hollows It's awful exposition dumping, rushed story, u underdeveloped characters, awful effects and the fact that it just spits on the bookz
My dad took me to see Dune when I was 6. I had almost no idea what was going on but the Barron disgusted and terrified me, the sandworms amazed me, and the transformation of both men and Arrakis mystified me and left a mark in my soul that I would carry through childhood into my own adulthood. Lynch did the novel great justice with the tools at his disposal.
Except the allegory of Dune was not intended for 6 years old.
That ranks right up there with having to watch China Syndrome when I was a kid.
Haha Same here man. I was on a trip with my dad and apparently he really wanted to watch Dune so he had to take me with him to the theater, I was 5 and yes, the Baron both disgusted and terrified me. I'm 42 now and yesterday I went with my dad to watch the new one and I loved it.
I watched this on VHS when it came out. I was 7 and it also imprinted into my my mind til this day.
I don't hate it.
Ditto
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
You should
I watched Dune once. It wasn't a masterpiece, but I didn't hate it. I would give it a 6 or 7 out of 10.
@@a.c.8470 yeah...but jordorowskys dune wouldnt have been book accurate either with alot more disturbing scenes and acid trip visuals that wouldve been worse than lynchs movie 🤷♂️ in all honesty after watching the documentary im glad that his movie wasnt made.
Besides all the reasons listed here, I hated Dune 1984 because of the horrible design of every single ship in the movie and even the props used. From ornithopters that didn't flap their wings, to the ugly Atreides transports and handguns that look like industrial staplers, it was an aesthetic mess. At least I hope the new movie has proper ornithopters.
What are you talking about? I love the Dune book AND the old movie. They're different stories that can coexist just fine.
Dude, they could've just made a different movie if they weren't going to follow the story
not by David Lynch
Agree. Fan Boys Haters just have no flexibility in their thinking
@@davidcripps3011 It's not like there is no legitimate reason for someone to hate the film and it's not like it's a highly acclaimed film.
@@ryanlts_9684 It's all about opinions because I enjoy the film but raging over a bit of fiction not matching your expectations is pretty immature. The hating fans act as if they're owed something. This applies to all the other franchises and conversions from book to film. I'm a huge fan of the Dune books but I don't need the film to be accurate, or even remotely similar.
I actually liked the internal monologues- they added a depth that was necessary in describing Dune
And I’d rather have someone who has actually read the books narrate and critique it
That the narrator slams Lynch for not respecting the source material is rather ironic
He had NO creative freedom when making the movie back then and the finished product was so bad, he disowned it completely.
Also, the ENTIRE movie is a condensed 2-hour runtime trying to cram 500+ pages from such a complex book and the changes made really disrespected the source material.
The studio made it into a typical ''white boy savior'' story when it wasn't the case in the book.
Plus, those insufferable monologues and thoughts are 1 reason why the movie felt rushed and insulting to both Frank Herbert and the Dune fans alike.
Everything this movie reminded us is how Villeneuve's version of Dune is a much more faithful adaptation of the book, even with those subtle changes he made to some characters and key moments to make it his own.
Villeneuve REALLY understood the assignment, Lynch did not.
I also liked the internal monologues. would like to see that technique used more often, like in the TV show Peep Show
@@martinde-serres8724 No, he lost control of the editing process. That’s a far cry from NO creative freedom.
Denis doesn’t even touch on the most central themes of Herbert’s work- at all, not once. He’s boiled Dune down to the saga of Paul.
Which is understandable, but disappointing. And ironically, Denis’ version has the same issues with condensing the works that Lynch had.
And yet you fault Lynch for that dearth but not Denis.
The first book leaves Paul as a savior figure. So Lynch’s version is perfectly in keeping with that.
No, Paul is not a white savior in Lynch’s version.
Lynch’s Fremen are Caucasian.
When there is no disparity between the races, a white savior isn’t even a possibility.
You’re referencing a poorly written critique of Dune, Herbert’s Dune, by a critic who had never read the book.
It’s a well known critique of Dune, akin to Lawrence of Arabia (in which ‘white savior was applicable) as it was overtly obvious that the critic had never read Dune, given no one who had read Dune would’ve ever labeled Paul a ‘white savior’. And the critic was castigated for their review and complete ignorance of the topic.
That’s where the now cliched ‘white savior’ line comes from.
It wasn’t applicable to Herbert’s Dune and it certainly doesn’t apply to Lynch’s Dune.
It’s not applicable in Herbert’s Dune because Paul is far from being a savior.
And it’s not applicable in Lynch’s Dune as the Fremen are white. So there’s no reason to insert race where the supposed savior is homogeneous to the indigenous populace.
At best, you might presume that Lynch ‘whitewashed’ the Fremen.
But he didn’t. The Fremen were described as pale because the Fremen were essentially nocturnal, they didn’t move around in the desert during the day as the climate was far too harsh. It was considered wasteful at best (water loss), and life threatening at worst. The Fremen dreaded the sun and fled to their Seitches during at the first appearance of the sun.
So they would’ve lacked almost all melanin as a result of their nocturnal habits.
You’re also looking at Dune through a modern political lens. Which is an entirely inappropriate way to look at Lynch’s Dune or Herbert’s.
How much more Caucasian could Lynch’s Chani, Stilgar or Janis be?
You shoehorned in white savior but it’s a completely inaccurate description of Lynch’s Dune.
It reads as if you’re trying desperately to insert modern political paradigms into sci fi where they have no place.
And I would guess that’s because you’re consumed with modern politics, such that you find supposed parallels in everything, via confirmation bias, even when such parallels are nonexistent.
@@bry8636 Because it IS a ''white boy savior'' type of story they made with Lynch's version after all that editing.
Also, back then, there wasn't a lot of POC actors to fil in most characters in the movie, so they only had Caucasian actors in some make up to separate the different main factions from the book.
BTW, I've seen Lynch's Dune and what I said is what it is, stop trying to think that I'm referencing someone else's critique when I gave MY own thoughts about it.
Keep your bullshit claims to yourself next time, dipshit.
Terrible video. Most of the dialogue is lifted directly from the book. The casting is amazing (with one or two exceptions - Paul Smith for instance, and probably Sting) and overall it is a David Lynch film from top to bottom. The studio butchered it but at its heart it has the strangeness that makes it stay in the memory. When I saw it at the cinema on release I was confused by the arbitrary studio cut but mesmerised by the feel of the film. I had to see it again and it rewards more viewings, revealing visual and story details you miss the first time.
Also Kyle Mclachlan was the same age when he played Paul as Timothée Chalamet was when he played him.
1984 Dune remains a masterpiece of Lynchian filmmaking ruined by the studio. Long live the fighters!
Out of interest, had you read the book before seeing the movie?
If not: I think I would've been mesmerized by this film if I hadn't read the book first. Upon reflection, I did enjoy the 'feel' of the film, and certain scenes (I actually thought Sting was pretty good!), but I was too disappointed in the many changes and omissions that were made.
If you had: no explanation.
@@ecurb10 Although I was a huge Sci Fi fan and very well read (including a number of Frank Herbert novels) I had never read Dune, so the film had no dissapointing changes or omissions. David Lynch was also quite new to me and I became a big fan of his from this film. I remember reading the book for the first time and being dissapointed in the omissions in the book! I still see and hear Kyle McLachlan in my minds eye when reading it, and I will argue all day that Everett McGill is the perfect Stilgar.
@@gavinturnbull5459 Interesting. So you don't hold any criticism for the movie not being true to the book? Don't you have it the wrong way around, lol?
@@ecurb10 The Spicediver edit of Lynchs film is the closest to the book and I highly recommend that if you haven't seen it. On the other hand the book is the best. Sometimes a director who is less in awe of the source material makes a better job of it as he is not frightened to change things, othertimes not so much. I am really looking forward to Villeneuves version but I am not expecting a carbon copy. I'll be happy with a good film. Dune fanatics will never be totally happy (witness the facebook group postings that people won't see the film as one of the actors has the wrong shaped nose!).
@@gavinturnbull5459 Yep there'll always be the crazy fanatics.
Otherwise, glad you enjoyed the Lynch film...maybe I'm just jealous and wish I did!
Cheers mate.
I absolutely adore this movie-- I appreciate the Lynchian flavor it has, which is a kind of camp- it perfectly rides the line of being the most bad-ass awesome off the charts sci-fi art and pure camp- a combination rarely ever seen executed with such prowess. It stands alone as a masterpiece because of this. And all the better that it isn’t constrained by mainstream stylistic influences (such as that narration taboo)- this just adds to its magic. I’ve heard so much that this film is hated, but like here in this thread, I see a whole lotta love. One of my favorite films of all time hands down
Yall Bugging. DUNE is a Classic.
Same. Mojo missed the mark with this. This movie is a classic.
probably the only reason yall defend it so much. Nostalgia
Right?!
@@CozyKG I wouldn't be surprised if you were conceived during this movie.
The plans for the modules were in the bags that Dr. Yuey left for them in the shuttle with the still suits. Did y’all actually watch the movie?
whats this crap. I liked 1984 Dune. Saw it in the theater.
Not saying it’s bad, just saying why people don’t like it or might not like it
I too liked the movie... But there is nothing inaccurate about this video, and it's only gotten more apparent over time. That doesn't mean that the movie cannot still be enjoyed.
I didn't like it in 1984 but I've come to appreciate it.
I loved and still love the Lynch's Dune. It's cheesy, and different, and also misses the mark on certain key aspect of the source material.
But it's still something worth to watch.
Even if Villeneuve's Dune turns out to be the best adaptation of Frank Herbert's work to date (and I believe so because, come on, Villneuve is a genius), I will still love it because he made me discover the books
@1234 I don't say the movie is trash, isn't good either and I don't defend what can't be defended.
But I got to say this, book is better? Of course, mostly all the time is like that.
If this movie made me want to read the book, it at least did something good.
If a movie, or a series or anything else make you want to know more about it (including reading the book from what is based on) you have to give credit to it.
the fact that he didn't try to pack the whole sprawling Dune novel into one movie bodes well already. That was the biggest problem.
I grew up with this movie and I love it. It captured my imagination, it moved me to read the books, it's just entertaining. I love it!
This movie was amazing I disagree, the visuals were sublime the soundtrack was genius. For its time it was fantastic.
The depiction of the Navigator takes the cake imho. So weird, so relatable, so creepy in such an awesome way. "Many machines...on Ix....new...machines...."
1984 version had potential
UNFORTUNATELY ITS NOT A STORY THAT CAN BE SHOWN WITH A SINGLE MOVIE
THAT MAKES IT SUCKS
IMAGINE STAR WARS made within a Single Movie , how awful that would be , cuz theirs so much to tell
The final scene with the rain is Paul folding space between Arrakis and Caladan. This power was detailed in the movie as belonging to the Guild Navigators, so having Paul demonstrate this power showed his growth as a spice recipient and as the Kwisatz Haderach.
The movie didn't go into the life cycle of the worms, so the consequences of rain on Arrakis were not known to the movie goers.
Turning the weirding way into sound powered ray guns was ... not ideal. But kung fu on sand dunes would have been just as poor a choice, if not worse. Imagine the fight scenes between the Fremen and the Sardaukar: The Fremen somehow manage to close to knife and fist range with legions of Sardaukar who are armed with lasguns, stunners, and Maula pistols, how? And then once in hand to hand range the Fremen start beating them up using martial arts. Yeah, that's not going to play well.
Being limited to a typical movie run time, 1984's Dune did as best as could be expected. Every other adaptation, finished or not, has had much more time to explore the setting.
He was folding space...!! I didn't know that! Wow so cool!
That’s not how folding space works actually.
@@rayfeighery3245 Oh, really? Please tell us all exactly how much space you've folded in order to establish your expertise on the subject.
All kidding aside, this is exactly what Paul does at the end of the 1984 Dune movie. It is not in line with the books, for the previously mentioned reasons of the ecology of the worms, but given that the movie didn't go into that ecology and most viewers can be assumed to not have a clue about it, it was a fair artistic license.
7:33 “Personal shields have rendered projectile weapons largely obsolete. As such, blade weapons and hand to hand combat are the norm.”
So I guess that’s how they could get in hand to hand range.
Since you're ratioed, now it's time for "Why Dune (1984) Is Loved."
It's only loved by ppl who watched it as young children, through rose-colored glasses.
@@chalp1290 We still like it even now. Try again.
@@chalp1290 Nope. Wasn't a fan first time around, then I watched it with a mate who'd read the books, so having a guide really helped me understand the universe and I found myself enjoying it immensely - I now have a nice widescreen/special edition on DVD. I came to realise it was a great and unique looking movie.
That scene where the dr is popping boils on the barons face , and the guys smashes and drinks the bug. Then the Baron floats under the pipe oozing black slime it doesn’t explain. The heart plugs get pulled, the strange way the girl says how can this be? At the end. And off course the whispering .
@@chalp1290 - When the 2021 version was announced I watched it and the 2000 series again - with the eyes of a 48-year-old. Love em' both. I'm pretty sure I'll like the new one too. We have faith in your generation - but you have to try and be tolerant of other perspectives. Cheers.
Without this movie and the television cut, I would never have discovered the books which I love.Its not the perfect film but I still love it.
I agree, it’s a terrible adaptation of the book, from the modules, to the Baron, to the constant voice over. But to me, it’s like that ugly child only a mother could love. I think that’s why I like it.
Plus I like Toto’s soundtrack and Brian Eno’s contribution to the soundtrack.
Its not perfect, or acurate to the source material, but its still a nice movie. 💙
Now do the syfy mini-series
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
@@a.c.8470 Yeah I saw it.
It was cool...just not Dune. Frank Herbert agrees.
@@noirangel6416 Oh, yeah...but you agree watchmojo should have mentioned this background history?...
@@a.c.8470 Yes. Definetly.
Yah, my thought was, "If they could only splice the best parts of the two together, we'd have an almost-perfect Dune film."
I love Dune. I have the extended version. It makes a lot more sense
I actually have both
on a double-sided DVD
"Creepy whisper"
That...was actually pretty standard. Several films in the 70s and the 80s used this method.
Dune 1984 is one of my all time favorite movies, it is so deep and complex and contains so much in it. I hated all the other Dune adaptations! I think the main problem of Dune 1984 is that it was published as the new Star Wars but is is absolutly NOT! It is NOT for young audiance and it is more like an artistic movie and not a popcoren movie! It was amistake to publish it for a wide audiance but I understand the production had to retun their huge investment.
That’s funny Mojo sounds so certain that this film is hated, yet I’ve never heard a single person speak ill of it (apart from the obvious non-respect of original source material and being too long a movie). The way it seems, you’re damning this masterpiece simply because it was made in the 80’s. All the things you’re stating are reasons people hate it are actually very typical for an 80’s movie. Not a fair view for this incredibly ambitious work of art.
Dune 1984 Iconoclast and without equal. Hormones like to watch made for tv and children's Star Wars sequels. No appreciation for true epic Cinema.
The amount of copium in the comment section is hilarious. I bet youd defend the original blade runner theatrical release with the Harrison ford commentary.
I do hate the movie. I get sick just to heard its name. 🤮
@@0Asterite0 Never even seen Blade Runner lol. Saw Dune when I was a kid and once or twice since and it held up. Obviously most 80’s movies are garbage but this one was considerably ambitious and a lot of heart was put into it. All I’m saying is there’s a reason it’s a cult classic.
It's one of the best movies I've seen in my life and I saw almost all Sci-Fi movies were produced since 80s until now. Imagine what we could get, if Lynch would not be pushed to cut most of the scenes. I would rather hear about 5 reasons why some people love this film.
More people need to see the Spice Diver extended cut of the film. It's fantastic!
You guys should do 10 reasons why people LOVE the 1984 version as well. It's one those flawed but special films
EXACTLY !!! Not Fair .
I dated a guy who had to watch this Dune every six months or so. I don't call that hate.
Say what you want. I love this movie and always have. The costumes were elaborate and elegant and the grotesque makeup was awesome! Sometimes you have to appreciate things in their essence and not rip it apart by pulling that strings. Part of it's charm is some of the quirky effects, thought voices and over the top drama. The only thing I would change is if it was longer.
Blah blah blah. 2020 Dune is so much better.
@@Jocelyn_Herrick We're talking about a difference of 35 years in filmmaking technology. Not to mention David Lynch is a completely different type of director. Each piece of art can stand on its own and doesn't need to compare. One thing for sure, the costumes in the original Dune are beyond reproach and the detail and effort put into them was significant. In Dune 2020 it's like they ran out of money for costumes. Their armor looked cheap and flimsy and the fabrics were of poor quality.
You listed this in your Top 10 Worst Book to Film Adaptations. Yet you praised it on multiple occasions as well. Personally, I don't hate this movie, I wouldn't say that this movie is completely without merit.
IKR. I liked the film but the only issue is that it's not faithful in a way that everything is rushed.
I never hated the movie, but I didn't love it either. I agree that was furious that they changed great details and some of the costumes were actually great but some could have been done better.
@@roguejester4986 Same. Let's hope Denis gets it right as Frank Herbert's son, Brian who has written more for the Dune universe has praised Denis. Even Jodorowsky is praising Denis's vision though he has reservations that can Denis get it right.
@@rickardkaufman3988 Agreed
Dude, the movie sucked. I love the original Dune books.
The original is a wonderful movie with an incredible atmosphere, visuals and soundtrack!
the new one is still epic
@@SirToaster9330 it does exposition terribly though
@@yeezet4592 how? The old on3 told us everything face first without showing us what really happened
@@SirToaster9330 Yeezet's comment has to be sarcastic. There's more exposition in the 1984 Dune than in all Star Wars movies put together.
LOL. It's horribly cast and acted. SPS is the only good actor in the entire thing.
My favorite movie of all time. I was mesmerized watching this as a kid. It's certainly easy to point out the flaws, but it's love to me.
The flaws the new movie didn't fix btw. It just added its own. At least we got a whole bunch of stars from the original. So was Sting a musician or an actor back then?
Yes, we are not alone!!!
I can recite the dialogue...
I feel exactly the same
So… you’ve seen, what… exactly one movie in your life?
Dune 1984 is one of the greatest sci fi epics ever. Lynch absolutely nailed the tone of the film. Yes, the effects are shoddy, and the theatrical version is poorly edited, but there's a fan edit that restores the film to its (almost) full runtime by restoring deleted scenes, finishing special fx, and so on. "Alternative Edition Redux". It's on youtube. In that version, it's an absolute masterpiece. There's no way the new film will even come close.
The bad cutting is actually a shame for this movie and by far its worst problem. As many mistakes as it may have - I still absolutely love it! The actors are great and I just love its gloomy, mystic atmosphere and the spoken thoughts of people are definitely a part of that. Weird & beautiful. Just great art.
I've seen it so many times, now I enjoy speaking some of the lines along with the actors as I watch:
"There is a Harkonnen among them!"
"Give the Harkonnen a blade!"
"The slow blade penetrates the shield."
"Remove your hand from the box...young human!"
"You'll have no need of your weapons with me, Gurney Halleck!"
"And how can this be!? ........For he is the Kwisatz Haderach!!"
"Who is this Muad'Dib?"
"Feyd!!!!"
"Usul has called a big one! Again, it is the prophecy!"
"The worm is the spice! The spice is the worm!"
LONG LIVE THE FIGHTERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
There is a Harkonnen among you.
FATHER! The sleeper has awakened!
" But Sire, We can't leave all this spice"
"Damn, the spice, get out of there"
" He cares more about his men than the spice??, I must admit, against better judgment, I like this duke"
me too!
Where did they get the weirding modules? The Fremen made them, in the same way they made their thumpers and other equipment. You must have missed the scene where Jessica and Paul discover not only the Ducal ring but PLANS for the weirding modules that Yueh left them. Did not do the research!
This is my wife's and father-in Laws favorite movie. if you put on DUNE in front of my wife she will stop everything she is doing and sit down and watch the whole thing.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
Nonsense, I re-watched it yesterday and its still just fine, most points you mention actually make it stand out from its peers and make it memorable.
This was my favorite Movie growing up. It is still my favorite movie now. The soundtrack gives me chills, the entire movie is eyecandy and I still want every dress/ outfit in this movie.
Little Allia dancing in the wind with the knife was just so unforgettably badass..
I watched the original Dune for the first time last week on Max and honestly it’s better than the remake.
I would take this over ANY Brian Herbert, Kevin Anderson book.
The theatrical version. The 4 hour and 15 minutes version, I assure you, is not.
This version was never made, though.
that version doesn't even exist
I disagree with you. This version was epic...rewatched many times!
Epic, yes
But, it's damned difficult to understand if you're not familiar with the novelization from which it's based
The book is SO difficult to read and keep straight. Orange Catholic and Choam contracts and the like. Yikes. It is a passable movie though and filmed beautifully with awesome sets.
@@justimagine2403 agreed, even I had a hard time keeping track of what was going on when I tried reading the book
Yeah… this movie is a masterpiece. I have no clue what you are on about.
You are so 19th century
No one hates 1984 Dune. I love it but I love campy nonsense. So most people either love if for that reason or they are lukewarm on it or just don’t care. No one actively hates this movie though.
Funny how no one ever mentions the SYFY version that is 8 hours long
Dune was one of my favorite books in 1984 so I absolutely loathed the David Lynch version, but I really liked the SYFY miniseries.
That's 'cause they biffed that one, too. What was Irulan doing traveling all over the galaxy!?
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I saw that one too. I actually liked it less. Irulan flying all over the galaxy. Screwing around with Feyd Rautha. The very weird navigator which was some floating fairy instead of man turning into a worm as the books taught us. The cheesy, very-low budget costumes that looked like they were picked-up from a bankrupt Princess Costume factory...
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I saw that one too. I actually liked it less. Irulan flying all over the galaxy. Screwing around with Feyd Rautha. The very weird navigator which was some floating fairy instead of man turning into a worm as the books taught us. The cheesy, very-low budget costumes that looked like they were picked-up from a bankrupt Princess Costume factory...
I watched the syfy version a few times. I had it on dvd. Loved it despite some terrible effects, costumes and acting. I thought most of the main characters did a good job. Oh, and the 1984 version is absolute trash because it completely butchers the story and the acting is some of the worst i've ever seen in any movie.
Speak for yourself. Dune is everything but hated. Many people love it.
I know I like it.
There is a classic film somewhere had Lynch been allowed to make the movie he wanted to. There are reasons he hates this whole experience to this day.
Yeah the studio cut 2-3 hours from his original version. It’s a shame he is so resentful towards it, otherwise we might have got a director’s cut by now.
David Lynch should have made a tv show about Dune, like he did with Twin Peaks.
You Just FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicioous adaptation was never done accoding to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays.
@@a.c.8470 No, I did not forget. As an early investor in the documentary on that film's blue ray.
I love David Lynch's Dune, have seen the movie more then 20 times and I I like to watch it again and again...
Kyle MacLachlan, Kenneth McMillan, Jürgen Prochnow but also everyone else delivered a fantastic acting performance.
I like the book of Frank Herbert too!
Both can stand for themselves.
Most certainly not, the acting is one of the worst parts of the film. There are few scenes that aren’t just unbearably cringe
@@whitelightning2100 Sorry to say this, but then you have absolutely no idea about acting.
@@UnimatrixOne there are decent performances, but maybe you’re right. I think it has to do more with the writing. the internal monologues are instantaneously cringe every time. it’s awesome how they do those in the books, but some things are best left to the pages as they don’t translate well to cinema
Any translation to screen of Dune is going to be an interpretation of Frank Herbert's work. Dune (1984) is genuinely flawed, both as an adaption of the source material, and as a film. It doesn't really feel like a David Lynch movie, either. It is easy to sense the meddling if you have any familiarity with his better works. I personally find 80's Dune fascinating and entertaining. I can enjoy the bad things for how bad they are and I can enjoy the good things too. It really does look expensive. The sets (Emperor's Palace) are huge and amazing and on screen for 10 minutes. The costumes! The extras. The cinematography! It has Patrick Stewart. It has dogs. It has Brad Brad Dourif's eyebrows.
Very underrated, but David Lynch should be read the novel and after wrote the script.
Watchmojo FORGOT TO TELL ( OR INTENTIONALLY DIDN'T MENTIONED) that the original 1984 Dune was conceived , adapted , writen and intended to be directed by Alejandro Jodorowsky, a chilean surrealistic director; That design and storyboard was originally conceived by Moebius, H.R. Giger and Chris Foss; That Lynch was called to direct only to replace Jodorwsky, because of disagreements between studio and director; And That there's a documentary called " Jodorowsky's Dune" that tells the whole story of why such great ambicious adaptation was never done according to the original Jodorowsky's vision, but has influenced ALL sci fi productions made until nowadays...
The studio was in a frantic mess to get the movie off the ground once they dismissed (more “fired”) Jodorowsky as having a too expensive & whatever else b.s. reasons & Lynch didn’t want to do a blockbuster and didn’t help he lost creative control
@@thotslayer9914 Watch the documentary first. I am sure of what i'm talking about.
@Monica Jones I 'm telling you, just watch the documentary. It's on RUclips' s " payperview".
@@LucyLioness100 Yes, That's true. But have you watched the documentary? It's worth It.
As a girl who grew up with this movie, I take issue with the "women only there for the men". I felt very inspired by the women of this movie. Maybe you had to grow up with it.
Agree. In the movie, like the book, women are incredibly empowered. The nuns are most feared by all and have much power over rulers and leadership. This is established. Likewise Jessica and Alia are forces alongside Paul in the struggle of the Fremen. With Paul being the sole exception, only women can be recipients of the Water of Life. The future depends on Alia, a woman.
I completly agree with you! My dad loves Dune and has read all the books numerous times. So, I grew up watching this movie and I don't agree with the message that "women in Dune were only there to serve men." I think it's a crap statement that hold no fact into the movie and book.
I don’t know why everyone hates Dune 1984, I think it was one of the best sci-fi movies ever. I loved everything about it-the acting and the score is amazing.
I'm pretty sure they don't. Its just watch mojo trying to trigger those who love it.
They don't. Dune is generally accepted for what it does successfully and for where it fails. Watch Mojo is garbage media and revels in it.
The novel is one of the greatest SciFi books ever written. Lynch’s film changes the story so much it should have also changed the title. Calling it Dune is grossly misleading.
@@iamthesayyadina That is a fair point, I never read the book to be honest but did enjoy the film. Normally if a film is good I am temped to read the book. Normally if I read a book before watching a film then the film is a bit of a let down. I my seek out the book on your recommendation.
You guys ask where did Paul get all of the weirding modules from if they were destroyed. But you forgot about how Dr Yueh left the plans for the modules in the thopter they were sent to the desert in.
It was physically stunning. The characters looked like how I envisioned from reading the book.
1234 you know what I didn’t imagine that particular vision during the reading but after the movie I added that decaying grossness to my overall impression of the Baron. I feel like I was able to meld the physical aspects from the movie with the information from the book in my head to create a more complete picture. I liked the movie’s depiction of the Fremen and the still suits and many other little things. I felt it enhanced my reading. Also I think the Baron used his oafishness to fool his enemies.
Lynch’s “Dune” is BRILLIANT. Kids nowadays can’t watch a film if it’s not all choreographed fighting, CGI, and explosions. “Dune’84” is thoughtful, methodical, and stylish. Furthermore, far more filmgoers had actually READ THE BOOK back then, and were able to follow the film. How many kids nowadays have read “Dune”? How many had even heard of it before the promotions for the upcoming “Dune”movie debuted? This video is nothing more than another promotion for the new film.
I hadn't read the book when I saw it but I did immediately afterwards. And I love both.
@@gavinturnbull5459 Right On! Good lad!
I watched this movie on hbo yesterday after finishing the book, And I’m sorry to say it’s a horrible film.