Pain did not have the better way of peace, he literally aimed for dictatorship. Pain had a good heart but let's be clear here, he was aiming to just be a dictator that says "if you don't play by my rules you're getting nuked, sound good to you?" Yeah not to mention he was going to start off with nuking every village with the bijuu then become a dictator that'll threaten dropping another nuke if you don't submit.
Guy should've died and also got the "kill" on Madara. Neji dying to protect Hinata and Naruto works if its NOT because of a stick they should've been able to deal with. Can't think of anyone else that would've been a good, impactful death outside of maybe some of the Kage.
so the 5th hokage shouldve died neji shouldve survived guy shouldve died. sauske shouldve stayed dead. hashirama shouldve done better after all the hype
yeeahhh but he was so overpowered that they didn't know what to do so they just wrote him out and brought in Kaguya who wasn't even that interested to me
Im convinced some of these "takes" are just rage bait for sage to react to it and put it in the vid because theres no way some people actually believe these takes are valid 💀
Lee Shippuden would be crazy ngl, Guy hitting the 8th Gate on Pain inspiring Lee to use the 8th Gate on Juubidara and the series just ends with Lee dying for his convictions and proving that you don't need ninjutsu or genjutsu to be a great shinobi would be peak. Hell throw in a training arc where lee discovers a 9th Gate and pulls it out against Madara on some Gear 5 type shit and were lit... Still not better than Naruto tho.
I've been wondering this for sometime, hoping somebody can give a strong answer: Why does it seem like Itachi gets pardoned by the fandom for the Uchiha Massacre? It seems like Itachi is universally loved even though he committed one of the worst atrocities in the series. Shouldn't he be a character that people have mixed feelings about since he wiped out a whole clan which includes unarmed children and created the rough circumstances that one of the main (and beloved) characters grew up in? Meanwhile, the 2nd Hokage discriminated against the Uchiha and people hold that against him. It feels inconsistent
It's said that obito killed the women and children. For tobirama hate, the discrimination of the Uchiha clan brought on the fact they were planning a coup to take over which wouldn't have happened if they were on equal grounds. The reason why people love Itachi, is because in truth he wasn't some guy who killed his clan for no reason, he was a 16yr anbu who has seen bloodshed and wanted peace, he did practically everything we seen in Naruto and Shippuden just to protect Sasuke and the village and no one in fandom holds that against him. I'm pretty sure no one is saying he doesn't have blame in the massacre but also that he was put in a situation that either would've had him dying with his family or him being alive and at least with the ladder he was able to save Sasuke
@@silentpresence6705 I appreciate your response. This is where I always get stuck, because personally I don't understand how someone would choose to kill their family to protect their country. Especially when said country originally beat your family into submission and then forced them to live in the slums. I'd hate my country at that point. I guess I don't personally feel Itachi made the right decision, even though I can acknowledge it was a "lesser of two evils" in the grand scheme. I think it's something that people gloss over when they talk about itachi as a character. But if it was let's say Goku in DragonBall, he would receive all the criticism for something like that (the way he does for dying to protect Gohan, despite that being a noble act). I'm gonna close this out with a speculation that people interested in these kinds of media generally like the idea of the "redeemable villain" over the "hero who made mistakes" and that that's why I haven't heard it as much
@@KSmanderes goku gets hate but again many videos and people defending goku nowadays , dbz fans only watch tfs and take memes literal they didn't watch the show
Talk No Jutsu makes sense for Naruto, but I think the way it's implemented puts me off. Like Naruto convincing Sasuke felt real because he's been trying to for literal years so when he finally wears him down at the end it feels earned, where as having a Nagato or Obito change off a conversation from someone they don't know like that, just be feeling contrived. I think it's just a hard premise to write opposed to just having the MC just whoop their ass or kill them.
@@suru7064 I'm aware, that's why I put JUST whoop their ass as in that's all they tryna do. I'm just saying it's harder to write Naruto convincing somehow with a life like Nagato or Obito without it feeling contrived. Where as writing a character who just boxes is easier. Even when I'm trying to give Naruto props a mf gotta pull up like "Um actually 🤓" yall literally insufferable.
a huge part of talk no jutsu people dont talk about is how narutos actions also play a huge part in it. Ie not attacking nagato and not giving up after nejis death for obito. A huge part of Nagato and obitos point were that people spoke empty words but naruto backed his words up.
Would obito still have hashirama cells if he still had both eyes? Cause that’s a major reason he’s a powerhouse, because it allows him to spam kamui without going blind
Danzo had a hand in creating most of the village some of them were avoidable like kabuto all he had to do was keep his end of the bargain and kabuto never would have caused any problems since him and his foster mother didn’t want any problems with leaf in the first place
Naruto fans: This character should get more screentime Also Naruto fans: Here's a list of all the fillers to skip Like Naruto and Hinata had a whole mission together as kids that people just skip and it's one of my favorite filler arcs
for the "id like more time with the other jingurik the just naruto, B, and Garra" (anime and manga did enough for those three) but as like one episodes/chapters (occasionally) that just showcased the characters themselfs, cus the anime and manga only ever shown them LOSEING THERE FIGHTS that get them captured and when i seen them im just like "why should i care?"
stance ESPECIALLY remains then 😂 we learned damn near enough from naruto alone , but add on the akatski, kakashi, jiriya, and killer bee? i don’t need 7 more exclusive explanations of the jinchuriki
@Sage, but the question is: did we knew enough about them and what type of person were they? Most of them were a mystery to us like trying to figure out how someone like Hashirama died
I kinda disagree on the take of more characters dying… the war itself had a lot of casualties on the frontline and many people were killed. Sure, some of them were fodder characters but what about when the Ten Tails blew up the sensory Department.
Im not saying a whole arc, but like 3-4 episodes Max. Maybe something in the episode will help correlate to the upcoming arc. I dont like the fact the 5 tailed jinchuriki, han, had less screen time then ten ten. Same with the 4 tails and 2 tails. If we need to rush them, sure. But atleast a lil information about them. We had to focus a filler arch on flashbacks and the fake dreams people had during the infinite dream arc, which did nothing for the story then just waste time
If obito has both of his eyes wouldn’t that mean he could use the susano?. But also would he go blind eventually because it technically wouldn’t be the eternal ems.
Naruto vs Sasuke rematch in VotE is one of worst fights in Naruto because its narrative part is absolute garbage, with an awful setup and even in action part, large part of the fight goes against everything we know about Sasuke's intelligence
A Naruto light novel is getting a manga adaptation, yes it's cannon. I've read it and it will reveal how busted Sakura really is, however peep how the Sakura fans will say she solos Madara because shes moving at the same speed as might guy in the 8th gate of death. 💀 Shade aside It's a really great novel though.😂
Guy could have beat the bodies of pain , then he would have died without finding the “real” body. Then the other bodies get revived or nagato sends out more bodies . There was no way for guy to ACTUALLY beat pain without knowledge/help in that arc. If you want to argue he could beat Nagato in a heads up fight with full knowledge of his abilities then yeah…..I could get behind that. But in “pain invades konoha “ arc as things WERE……no he’s not winning
@@TSO_Sage hell yeah thanks for the response/heart brutha!! I’m just a bay “kid” that’s been a fan of yours since your basketball stuff but it’s always good to see another black man do anime content. Now can I get a LIKE TOO??!! 🤣🤣🤣 I’m just fuckin around but I want these niggas to know that I’m talking FACTS!!
Er Sakura didn't make Sasuke and Naruto desire perfect chakra control. Plus, she didn't make Naruto bring back Sasuke. Yes she pleaded for him to go after him cause tried stopping him in her own way (almost succeeded), but Naruto would've tried bringing him back regardless
sakura fangirls/boys are delusional , that take that she's more important for the story direction might be the single worst take I've ever seen, its ironic consider ing all sakuras character is surrounding sasuke
My beef with itachi isn't that people overhype him, he deserves most of it even if they do OVER hype him. I just don't like that people paint him as a Saint, at his best, he is a reluctant mass murderer that's dealing with the consequences of the actions and inactions of himself and others. But it takes away from his self agency. Then on the flip side he's downright malicious and evil while "in character". It's almost like he's 2 different people, the good brother spy for konoha and the mass murderer rougue nin akatsuki member that actively makes moves to make the world fear and hate him. One is respectable the other isn't, but at the end of the day he's still not a good guy regardless of how you try to spin it. The only good guys are like hagaromo and some of the sage animals?
@@silentpresence6705 Do people forget how weak and pathetic Naruto was at the start? Bro couldn’t even make a shadow clone, also at that point we didn’t know that there is no excuse people just got to accept that Naruto is the mc.
@@A_DecentGamer oh I agree COMPLETELY. It's just that once it was learned the child of destiny and us learning that uzumakis have massive chakra reserves it turns into "oh Narutos been fine his entire life" and just GLOSS over for 1 the training he goes through to become the strongest. And for 2nd it's one of the reasons and sage pointed it out in this video how people want lee to be protag. Rock Lee in Naruto is the embodiment of hard work, but what some people me and others in a different video was arguing is Lee is not THE MOST hard working character in Naruto,sage brought up Guy, but me and other people were arguing for Naruto and they kept using his birthrights as to why he isn't, but they keep forgetting 1 Kurama draining said chakra (edit and barely wanting to work with him) 2 Naruto not even knowing his nature till Shippuden 3 and most importantly HE WORKED HARD except for multi shadow clone jutsu (which he stole because of and for mitski) and six paths (which was given by hagoromo) for every technique he knows
Aight my boy i got a video recommendation *ahem* "why dragon ball z is terrible...and here's why. By lildavey Edit: i NEED to hear bros opinion on this
Rock Lee impersonation was pretty good 😂😂😂😂
Why is this mans rock lee voice on point tho 😂
That Rock Lee scene he just did was great lmaoo
As soon as he hit the Shadow Clone pose while saying “Ninja Art!” I started dying of laughter.
He hit that "SHADOW CLONE JUTSU" so good
I'm not all for dunking on Rock Lee but that ending got my stomach hurting from laughing 😂😂
You a foo with that Rock Lee bit! 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Never seen a side character with as much aura from a singular fight than rock lee no way bro said he should be the mc 😂
Unexpectedly accurate bushy brow impersonation. Close your eyes, and that's Rock f*ckin Lee.
Hit like and still at Zero.
I really am a nobody.
Pain did not have the better way of peace, he literally aimed for dictatorship.
Pain had a good heart but let's be clear here, he was aiming to just be a dictator that says "if you don't play by my rules you're getting nuked, sound good to you?"
Yeah not to mention he was going to start off with nuking every village with the bijuu then become a dictator that'll threaten dropping another nuke if you don't submit.
Guy should've died and also got the "kill" on Madara. Neji dying to protect Hinata and Naruto works if its NOT because of a stick they should've been able to deal with. Can't think of anyone else that would've been a good, impactful death outside of maybe some of the Kage.
so the 5th hokage shouldve died neji shouldve survived guy shouldve died. sauske shouldve stayed dead. hashirama shouldve done better after all the hype
We already got Lee as the Main Character: DEKU
Madara mid? Naw the man was hyped up and didn't fail at the hype
yeeahhh but he was so overpowered that they didn't know what to do so they just wrote him out and brought in Kaguya who wasn't even that interested to me
@@imsoironikthat doesn’t make madara mid tho that just made him a character who got written out of the story terribly
@@imsoironik yessz thank you. I realllllly didn't like how they just brought in Kaguya with no hype or foreshadowing
@@rinuchiha6961 it was deadass a few throwaway comments from Hagaromo about stopping the Kaguya’s resurgence. Shit was Mickey
@@zionzero7117kaguya and the alien race was literally made to start a sequel I think we all can agree with that 😂
Im convinced some of these "takes" are just rage bait for sage to react to it and put it in the vid because theres no way some people actually believe these takes are valid 💀
Even what Danzo did to Naruto was wild too! He was in part responsible for the reason Naruto was lonely and hated.
everything bad that happened just got thrown onto danzo, villages cant be bad its either danzo or obito or madara
Lee Shippuden would be crazy ngl, Guy hitting the 8th Gate on Pain inspiring Lee to use the 8th Gate on Juubidara and the series just ends with Lee dying for his convictions and proving that you don't need ninjutsu or genjutsu to be a great shinobi would be peak. Hell throw in a training arc where lee discovers a 9th Gate and pulls it out against Madara on some Gear 5 type shit and were lit... Still not better than Naruto tho.
I died laughing at the end for Lee Shippuden. Now I want Sage to ACTUALLY make a series for this so we can explore how it would go lol.
I've been wondering this for sometime, hoping somebody can give a strong answer:
Why does it seem like Itachi gets pardoned by the fandom for the Uchiha Massacre? It seems like Itachi is universally loved even though he committed one of the worst atrocities in the series. Shouldn't he be a character that people have mixed feelings about since he wiped out a whole clan which includes unarmed children and created the rough circumstances that one of the main (and beloved) characters grew up in? Meanwhile, the 2nd Hokage discriminated against the Uchiha and people hold that against him. It feels inconsistent
It's said that obito killed the women and children. For tobirama hate, the discrimination of the Uchiha clan brought on the fact they were planning a coup to take over which wouldn't have happened if they were on equal grounds. The reason why people love Itachi, is because in truth he wasn't some guy who killed his clan for no reason, he was a 16yr anbu who has seen bloodshed and wanted peace, he did practically everything we seen in Naruto and Shippuden just to protect Sasuke and the village and no one in fandom holds that against him. I'm pretty sure no one is saying he doesn't have blame in the massacre but also that he was put in a situation that either would've had him dying with his family or him being alive and at least with the ladder he was able to save Sasuke
@@silentpresence6705 I appreciate your response. This is where I always get stuck, because personally I don't understand how someone would choose to kill their family to protect their country. Especially when said country originally beat your family into submission and then forced them to live in the slums. I'd hate my country at that point.
I guess I don't personally feel Itachi made the right decision, even though I can acknowledge it was a "lesser of two evils" in the grand scheme. I think it's something that people gloss over when they talk about itachi as a character. But if it was let's say Goku in DragonBall, he would receive all the criticism for something like that (the way he does for dying to protect Gohan, despite that being a noble act).
I'm gonna close this out with a speculation that people interested in these kinds of media generally like the idea of the "redeemable villain" over the "hero who made mistakes" and that that's why I haven't heard it as much
@@KSmanderes goku gets hate but again many videos and people defending goku nowadays , dbz fans only watch tfs and take memes literal they didn't watch the show
Talk No Jutsu makes sense for Naruto, but I think the way it's implemented puts me off. Like Naruto convincing Sasuke felt real because he's been trying to for literal years so when he finally wears him down at the end it feels earned, where as having a Nagato or Obito change off a conversation from someone they don't know like that, just be feeling contrived. I think it's just a hard premise to write opposed to just having the MC just whoop their ass or kill them.
I think there’s a mistake here. Naruto whoops your ass then talks no jutsu you.
@@suru7064 I'm aware, that's why I put JUST whoop their ass as in that's all they tryna do. I'm just saying it's harder to write Naruto convincing somehow with a life like Nagato or Obito without it feeling contrived. Where as writing a character who just boxes is easier. Even when I'm trying to give Naruto props a mf gotta pull up like "Um actually 🤓" yall literally insufferable.
a huge part of talk no jutsu people
dont talk about is how narutos actions also play a huge part in it. Ie not attacking nagato and not giving up after nejis death for obito. A huge part of Nagato and obitos point were that people spoke empty words but naruto backed his words up.
The death stare into moving on from the Might Guy take is hilarious.
Lolololplol. That premise sounds hilarious since is basically a more serious Lee & his Ninja pals.
Would obito still have hashirama cells if he still had both eyes? Cause that’s a major reason he’s a powerhouse, because it allows him to spam kamui without going blind
Weird question. He has Hashi cells because Madara rescues him. From that point I let you do the math or ask a more fitting question 😜.
@@jms7265 I haven’t watched Naruto in years, hence why I asked. Obitos origin with madara isn’t exactly in my immediate memory bro😂
Tso should drop what if's 😂😂😂
Ian even gon lie tho lee shippuden sounds kinda fire
10:09 GUY SENSEI!!!😂😂😂😂😂
Hot Take but Sasuke shouldn't be walking around with all those War Crimes on his Shoulder
Ayyy another video! Never finished Naruto didn't even get halfway through Shippuden so I'm interested in what these takes are
Sage really brought bag talk to naruto 😂😂😂
The Lee scenario got me cracking up
Some people really can't help themselves with their stupidity.
Danzo had a hand in creating most of the village some of them were avoidable like kabuto all he had to do was keep his end of the bargain and kabuto never would have caused any problems since him and his foster mother didn’t want any problems with leaf in the first place
Lee with shadow clones might just be A tier
Lol you should do a voice over of all Lee's scenes
I ain’t gon cap, if Lee could use Shadow Clones that’d probably be a problem
I like Lee in the games and the goofy spin off series but I don’t see the hype in the actual series
We need more what if content
Naruto fans: This character should get more screentime
Also Naruto fans: Here's a list of all the fillers to skip
Like Naruto and Hinata had a whole mission together as kids that people just skip and it's one of my favorite filler arcs
Ok dropping shit on Easter 🐣 🙏🏾 rejoice
for the "id like more time with the other jingurik the just naruto, B, and Garra" (anime and manga did enough for those three) but as like one episodes/chapters (occasionally) that just showcased the characters themselfs, cus the anime and manga only ever shown them LOSEING THERE FIGHTS that get them captured and when i seen them im just like "why should i care?"
Sage hate for Neji and Lee is mad hilarious and foul😂😂🤣🤣
bruh I don’t hate em i stg 😂😂
@@TSO_Sage 😂😂Oh I know dawg. I’m just talking shit
I don’t think he meant that the jinchuriki should have gotten their own arcs but they should had their powers explained in a little more detail
stance ESPECIALLY remains then 😂 we learned damn near enough from naruto alone , but add on the akatski, kakashi, jiriya, and killer bee? i don’t need 7 more exclusive explanations of the jinchuriki
@Sage, but the question is: did we knew enough about them and what type of person were they? Most of them were a mystery to us like trying to figure out how someone like Hashirama died
I kinda disagree on the take of more characters dying… the war itself had a lot of casualties on the frontline and many people were killed. Sure, some of them were fodder characters but what about when the Ten Tails blew up the sensory Department.
Im not saying a whole arc, but like 3-4 episodes Max. Maybe something in the episode will help correlate to the upcoming arc. I dont like the fact the 5 tailed jinchuriki, han, had less screen time then ten ten. Same with the 4 tails and 2 tails. If we need to rush them, sure. But atleast a lil information about them. We had to focus a filler arch on flashbacks and the fake dreams people had during the infinite dream arc, which did nothing for the story then just waste time
If obito has both of his eyes wouldn’t that mean he could use the susano?. But also would he go blind eventually because it technically wouldn’t be the eternal ems.
Naruto vs Sasuke rematch in VotE is one of worst fights in Naruto because its narrative part is absolute garbage, with an awful setup and even in action part, large part of the fight goes against everything we know about Sasuke's intelligence
whats VotE im Confused , u talking about the war arc?
@@IIIISai valley of the end
@@Kkk-pr2bk OH yea the narrative and sasukes character at that point was messy, and naruto was still trying to way him , part 1 was way better
@10:35
When I’m bored of music, sometimes I’ll workout to RUclips. This part came in clutch during Windmills. 🔥
Orochimaru was better as a villian then obito personally.
A Naruto light novel is getting a manga adaptation, yes it's cannon. I've read it and it will reveal how busted Sakura really is, however peep how the Sakura fans will say she solos Madara because shes moving at the same speed as might guy in the 8th gate of death. 💀
Shade aside
It's a really great novel though.😂
Pain basically wanted to be a dictator, idk why u would argue for his way to be better ?
He was pretty much a dictator for the Rain village after he massacred Hanzo and his family lol 😆
pain is basically a crybaby who's forcing others to feel his *pain* idk why episode get wet about his speech
Tell me why Bros Lee voice is actually kinda of good
Not to much on rock lee because even though you were joking the scene you made up lowkey had aura 🤣
Might gotta be the most overrated Guy in Naruto
i see what you did there
I disagree but this is a bar
Bar! But no
I think guy would end up killing himself for no reason at the village. Nagato wasn't actually at the village
Disagree of course but, good one 👏
Naruto fans have weird takes 😂
“Itachi is overrated” - enjoy your genjutsu
❤WE LOVE YOU SAGE❤️
Guy could have beat the bodies of pain , then he would have died without finding the “real” body. Then the other bodies get revived or nagato sends out more bodies . There was no way for guy to ACTUALLY beat pain without knowledge/help in that arc. If you want to argue he could beat Nagato in a heads up fight with full knowledge of his abilities then yeah…..I could get behind that. But in “pain invades konoha “ arc as things WERE……no he’s not winning
This is actually the answer
@@TSO_Sage hell yeah thanks for the response/heart brutha!! I’m just a bay “kid” that’s been a fan of yours since your basketball stuff but it’s always good to see another black man do anime content. Now can I get a LIKE TOO??!! 🤣🤣🤣 I’m just fuckin around but I want these niggas to know that I’m talking FACTS!!
I mean... I WOULD watch a Lee shippuden.
but I don't think he's the better protag. put shukaku in him and he'll talk.
Er Sakura didn't make Sasuke and Naruto desire perfect chakra control. Plus, she didn't make Naruto bring back Sasuke. Yes she pleaded for him to go after him cause tried stopping him in her own way (almost succeeded), but Naruto would've tried bringing him back regardless
bro i flagrantly say im ultra sicing the plot for sakura during that segment THRICE 😂 i don’t believe any of these either
@@TSO_Sage oh sorry lol
@@rinuchiha6961na it’s cool lmaoo just wanted everyone to know, no way i actually think that
sakura fangirls/boys are delusional , that take that she's more important for the story direction might be the single worst take I've ever seen, its ironic consider ing all sakuras character is surrounding sasuke
My beef with itachi isn't that people overhype him, he deserves most of it even if they do OVER hype him. I just don't like that people paint him as a Saint, at his best, he is a reluctant mass murderer that's dealing with the consequences of the actions and inactions of himself and others. But it takes away from his self agency. Then on the flip side he's downright malicious and evil while "in character". It's almost like he's 2 different people, the good brother spy for konoha and the mass murderer rougue nin akatsuki member that actively makes moves to make the world fear and hate him. One is respectable the other isn't, but at the end of the day he's still not a good guy regardless of how you try to spin it. The only good guys are like hagaromo and some of the sage animals?
Id rather have a show about guy forsure 😂
I think guy would have been willing to die to protect the village from pain. Let me know if you agree.
1:26 might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard from a Naruto fan
Obito might solo the war he bears Naruto Kakashi forces guy into 8th gates ig kakashi doesn’t have sgatingan obito better madras haha
Naruto is cooler than Sasuke
Yes
But who gets the most hoes?? 🤔 think about that one lol 😂
u watching a different show then
danzo is just tobirama
na Tobirama was logical danzo is just cheap
Naruto has one move rasengon wtf was that rock Lee take 😂 neji literally has a bigger bag then naruto
Rock Lee Shippuden wouldve flopped soooooo bad
Damn
Why does every Naruto fan want there character to be the mc and disrespect Naruto like what?!
Because he is a child of destiny and he would've been fine anyways. That's what I got anyways
@@silentpresence6705 Do people forget how weak and pathetic Naruto was at the start? Bro couldn’t even make a shadow clone, also at that point we didn’t know that there is no excuse people just got to accept that Naruto is the mc.
@@A_DecentGamer oh I agree COMPLETELY. It's just that once it was learned the child of destiny and us learning that uzumakis have massive chakra reserves it turns into "oh Narutos been fine his entire life" and just GLOSS over for 1 the training he goes through to become the strongest.
And for 2nd it's one of the reasons and sage pointed it out in this video how people want lee to be protag. Rock Lee in Naruto is the embodiment of hard work, but what some people me and others in a different video was arguing is Lee is not THE MOST hard working character in Naruto,sage brought up Guy, but me and other people were arguing for Naruto and they kept using his birthrights as to why he isn't, but they keep forgetting
1 Kurama draining said chakra (edit and barely wanting to work with him)
2 Naruto not even knowing his nature till Shippuden
3 and most importantly HE WORKED HARD except for multi shadow clone jutsu (which he stole because of and for mitski) and six paths (which was given by hagoromo) for every technique he knows
@@silentpresence6705nicely put
@@silentpresence6705the Naruto disrespect has to stop
Aight my boy i got a video recommendation *ahem* "why dragon ball z is terrible...and here's why. By lildavey
Edit: i NEED to hear bros opinion on this
bro no one watching that
Bro i think he needs to if he doesnt want to thats fine but i just wanna hear bros opinion on this
@@covanvanhook4007 ahh fair , i think sage would hate it , these videos hating dbz suck
@@IIIISai facts
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Lee Shippuden > Nartuo Shippuden anytime
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