i LOVE giant stupid coolers. All my pc builds have had super overkill coolers. I'm so happy this exists. I'll certainly be purchasing one myself. Pi's are the Nintendo of computers, they're just plain fun.
I understand this isn't quite necessarily the best place to ask, but I feel a good video topic to cover would be OrangePi 5 vs Raspberry Pi 5 for emulation purposes. It's difficult to keep track of which system is a better pick/buy for an emulation box, OrangePi 5 seems to be available, albeit a bit more expensive, but does have technically better hardware. Raspberry Pi 5 seems to have better support/drivers/pricing, albeit availability is much more difficult. Understandably, it's early in RPI5 development and things can improve, and so can OPI5 if driver support improves, but a current day evaluation of framerates on supported game titles would be very welcome. Thank you.
I own both an Orange Pi 5 and a Raspberry Pi 5 (I was able to purchase one as a priority being a subscriber to the MagPi magazine) but due to exam studies that end this week, I've not had time to sit down and do comparison testing between the two. I only use Gentoo Linux in my home environments and have done for 20 years now - if you're not aware, it's a "roll your own" and build from source distro that can run on anything, and in the past I've built it on all the RPi's up to 4, a couple of Banana Pi's and some older Orange Pi's. The nice thing about that is that when you're running the same OS with the same optimised kernel across all those devices, you can do some true comparison testing - but it does take time to sit down and build correctly. The problem with vendor-provided Linux builds, especially the Orange Pi ones, is that they are generally not built as optimally as they can be anyway and whilst I utterly respect what the team at Armbian does where they do their builds for many SBCs, again I'd argue that their builds are 90% of the where they need to be in terms of optimisation. So it's something I will look at towards the end of this week and if I come up with something interesting I will let Lee here know - I don't make YT videos myself, it's something I keep thinking about but I just have too many other things going on in my life right now. For example, if I get two good Gentoo builds going, then I can make them available on Github or somewhere like that for others to test. I do believe its possible to get better 3D acceleration in both boards.
With all honesty the GPU on the Rpi5 is relatively poor in comparison to the RK3588(s) that are out there. There is a pretty huge difference in Gflops and apparaently Arm are currently collaborating with Collabora for all Mali opensource drivers but Panthor and mainline is looking a few Linux kernel releases away. Whilst Panfork runs on the Rockchip BSP.
I'm looking forward to the low profile ice cooler. I did order the active cooler with my Raspberry Pi 5. So I will just use that for now. I hope everything ships out soon.
I hope someone makes a chunky passive cooler like I have for one of my pi 4's that touches all the chips that can use cooling. It was cheap, heavy, completely quiet and nice and simple. Every case I looked at is either not touching all chips, just doesn't have enough metal to pull the heat away or has a fan.
I had a similar looking cooler on a PC years ago. Nothing new there but it keeps the Pi cpu cool; that's the main thing. I wouldn't fork out for one of these unless it specifically cooled more chips. For the money it should do more just because it could. I haven't stressed my Pi 5 yet but I think the active cooler (almost here now) will do an admiral job even when I set it to 3Ghz plus it won't be NOT locked away in some restrictive and claustrophobic box.
3:20 yeah mine I could only get to 2.8 GHz in 900 MHz on the GPU for overclock. I could probably turn the over voltage up past three but I don't really want to destroy my brand new pi. Either way at 2.8 GHz it's still really fast. The pie four was not usable for me as a desktop I ended up using it as a router which it's perfect for, probably overkill.
hanbrake on a normal computer uses everything it can. Here it looked like it was using one core and a half. Did that preset use hardware acceleration? Was the encoding somehow bottlenecked by GPU or Disk? I remember on the pi4 handbrake could not be used with software hevc due to a bug and could access only one coere in software h264. No hardware acceleration was available unfortunately.
That's what I was thinking. I think stress would have done better for a temp test. Maybe run a GPU benchmark at the same time to really load everything up.
hmm.. Handbreak is a bad test, since it doesn't use all cores. Can't you use a software that uses all cores? For example compiling source with "make -j4" or other software (like my one :-) )
I got one for the Pi4B which I haven’t had the time to test yet. For the coming months I’ll probably be content with the official options from Raspberry Pi.
My ice tower for my Pi4 is not working since installing bookworm. May have to go back to Bullseye. But nice to see the Ice Tower for the 5 working now.
Aight now I want to try the sunwell ptm pad and the ice tower. Because I think that pad would be holding us back. But only during overclock, as ptm isn't exceptional until about 50°C when it gets to phase change.
I would have no problem putting those copper heat sinks on the silicone elements but isn't there an issue with galvanic corrosion when you put a copper heat sink on a chip with an aluminium shield?
Only when electric current passing with presence of moisture or water. If you have no current, no water and/or a layer of adhesive or thermal compound that separates two metals, you'll have no issues. BTW heatspreader lids are not made from aluminium
All my 4's have the ICE tower and I was hoping to see this on the 5 too. These are by far the best to keep my Pi4 cool and hopefully my Pi5 too. I was hoping to see that we can change the temperature/fan speed profile using some Raspi-config setting. I think that with both the official case and the official active cooler the CPU temperature gets too hot before the fan ramps up
just to let you know, so you can try, the RPI5 has hdmi audio problems with monitors 2560x1080 .... if you play a video with audio, it starts flashing and audio comes out crippled....
Given the results I doubt this fan ever makes a difference compared to the official active cooler which also seems to cool down vram or something as well.
Would it be possible to invert the fan so that it blew air out? That plus the heatsinks I wonder if it would be similar in performance to the active cooler. Also is having the active cooler in an option ?
@@leepspvideo I'll have to check it out. If it doesn't work, then I guess it gives me an excuse to pre-order another RPi5. 😂 At the same time, I've been seeing a lot of videos pushing mini PCs over RPis. Slightly considering trying one out, but I've always enjoyed RPis.
how does ICE Tower Cooler for Raspberry Pi 5 compare with the official cooler temperature wise ? The official one have pads for all chips and it cools them all.
Why use thermal pads with the ice-cooler, and not some paste, like arctic mx-4? Results should be even better, because paste makes a much thinner film, and has higher thermal conductivity.
I plan to try stock pi5b cooler with paste too, and with some other modifications to be sure, it lies flat on the surface, which it does not seem to do with thermal pads in stock configuration.
@@leepspvideo yea definitely wanna see a comparison with the active cooler curious were it will be i still expect the tower to come out on top more fins and copper heat pipes more importantly but interesting to see were in the middle it ends up
That's all well and good. But, every day I check the online stores and my local Microcenter and no Pi 5 in stock. I check a few times a day actually. If this is going to be like the Pi 4, I will be done with the Raspberry Pis. I can get a HP Mini PC From Microcenter that is much more powerful for the same price as the Pi 5.
I usually test cases and coolers with what they are supplied with. Thermal paste is more effective CPU paste Vs Thermal Pad. Raspberry Pi 4 ruclips.net/video/-Z05yBrU0jQ/видео.html
I'll check it out. The cooler is good, i was just thinking that thermal paste would even be a better solution. In any event you weren't getting throttled down. Lots of headroom for OC imho. @@leepspvideo
With the Pi 5 coming with an official heatsink and fan, a comparison with any third party 'solutions' in order to ascertain whether any of them actually have any real value shoild ideally be the norm. It was disappointing to hear that he supplier asked for a delay in the review because they were out of stock because it can easily give a reasonable impression that what we are seeing is not a review but an advert, potentially calling into question the impartiality of the review.
advert means that the channel has to "obey" the manufacturer about what to say, which did not happen, they only asked for a delay to improve customer satisfaction imo
It depends if they need the overclock or not. I'm not particularly interested in emulating consoles, I come from the realms of home computers like the ZX Spectrum and Commodore Amiga, as well as wanting to emulate arcade games through MAME and maybe a few MS-DOS games. None of that requires particularly high powered SBCs anyway when it comes to emulation.
It realy is silly to not use the heat sinks or the official active cooler in that case expecaly on a PI 5. There is a marked improvement with either solution. Slow twisting slightly side to side of the heat sinks during removal will almost always make them easily release. DO NOT pry them up from one edge as the adhesive is strongest against that approach, just wiggle them as you pull them up vertically.
i LOVE giant stupid coolers. All my pc builds have had super overkill coolers. I'm so happy this exists. I'll certainly be purchasing one myself. Pi's are the Nintendo of computers, they're just plain fun.
I understand this isn't quite necessarily the best place to ask, but I feel a good video topic to cover would be OrangePi 5 vs Raspberry Pi 5 for emulation purposes. It's difficult to keep track of which system is a better pick/buy for an emulation box, OrangePi 5 seems to be available, albeit a bit more expensive, but does have technically better hardware. Raspberry Pi 5 seems to have better support/drivers/pricing, albeit availability is much more difficult. Understandably, it's early in RPI5 development and things can improve, and so can OPI5 if driver support improves, but a current day evaluation of framerates on supported game titles would be very welcome. Thank you.
I own both an Orange Pi 5 and a Raspberry Pi 5 (I was able to purchase one as a priority being a subscriber to the MagPi magazine) but due to exam studies that end this week, I've not had time to sit down and do comparison testing between the two.
I only use Gentoo Linux in my home environments and have done for 20 years now - if you're not aware, it's a "roll your own" and build from source distro that can run on anything, and in the past I've built it on all the RPi's up to 4, a couple of Banana Pi's and some older Orange Pi's. The nice thing about that is that when you're running the same OS with the same optimised kernel across all those devices, you can do some true comparison testing - but it does take time to sit down and build correctly.
The problem with vendor-provided Linux builds, especially the Orange Pi ones, is that they are generally not built as optimally as they can be anyway and whilst I utterly respect what the team at Armbian does where they do their builds for many SBCs, again I'd argue that their builds are 90% of the where they need to be in terms of optimisation.
So it's something I will look at towards the end of this week and if I come up with something interesting I will let Lee here know - I don't make YT videos myself, it's something I keep thinking about but I just have too many other things going on in my life right now.
For example, if I get two good Gentoo builds going, then I can make them available on Github or somewhere like that for others to test. I do believe its possible to get better 3D acceleration in both boards.
With all honesty the GPU on the Rpi5 is relatively poor in comparison to the RK3588(s) that are out there. There is a pretty huge difference in Gflops and apparaently Arm are currently collaborating with Collabora for all Mali opensource drivers but Panthor and mainline is looking a few Linux kernel releases away. Whilst Panfork runs on the Rockchip BSP.
I'm looking forward to the low profile ice cooler. I did order the active cooler with my Raspberry Pi 5. So I will just use that for now. I hope everything ships out soon.
I hope someone makes a chunky passive cooler like I have for one of my pi 4's that touches all the chips that can use cooling. It was cheap, heavy, completely quiet and nice and simple. Every case I looked at is either not touching all chips, just doesn't have enough metal to pull the heat away or has a fan.
I had a similar looking cooler on a PC years ago. Nothing new there but it keeps the Pi cpu cool; that's the main thing. I wouldn't fork out for one of these unless it specifically cooled more chips. For the money it should do more just because it could. I haven't stressed my Pi 5 yet but I think the active cooler (almost here now) will do an admiral job even when I set it to 3Ghz plus it won't be NOT locked away in some restrictive and claustrophobic box.
3:20 yeah mine I could only get to 2.8 GHz in 900 MHz on the GPU for overclock. I could probably turn the over voltage up past three but I don't really want to destroy my brand new pi. Either way at 2.8 GHz it's still really fast. The pie four was not usable for me as a desktop I ended up using it as a router which it's perfect for, probably overkill.
Both my Pi 4's have low profile ice towers .. would never attempt overclocking with out one ..they keep the Pi nice and cool..
hanbrake on a normal computer uses everything it can. Here it looked like it was using one core and a half. Did that preset use hardware acceleration? Was the encoding somehow bottlenecked by GPU or Disk? I remember on the pi4 handbrake could not be used with software hevc due to a bug and could access only one coere in software h264. No hardware acceleration was available unfortunately.
That's what I was thinking. I think stress would have done better for a temp test. Maybe run a GPU benchmark at the same time to really load everything up.
hmm.. Handbreak is a bad test, since it doesn't use all cores. Can't you use a software that uses all cores? For example compiling source with "make -j4" or other software (like my one :-) )
I got one for the Pi4B which I haven’t had the time to test yet. For the coming months I’ll probably be content with the official options from Raspberry Pi.
My ice tower for my Pi4 is not working since installing bookworm. May have to go back to Bullseye. But nice to see the Ice Tower for the 5 working now.
Is there a case that can house, either top hat, bottom base and an ice tower cooler?
Aight now I want to try the sunwell ptm pad and the ice tower. Because I think that pad would be holding us back. But only during overclock, as ptm isn't exceptional until about 50°C when it gets to phase change.
I would have no problem putting those copper heat sinks on the silicone elements but isn't there an issue with galvanic corrosion when you put a copper heat sink on a chip with an aluminium shield?
Only when electric current passing with presence of moisture or water. If you have no current, no water and/or a layer of adhesive or thermal compound that separates two metals, you'll have no issues. BTW heatspreader lids are not made from aluminium
I ordered a PI5 literally the minute they where announced and went up for sale.
Still waiting on mine
All my 4's have the ICE tower and I was hoping to see this on the 5 too.
These are by far the best to keep my Pi4 cool and hopefully my Pi5 too.
I was hoping to see that we can change the temperature/fan speed profile using some Raspi-config setting. I think that with both the official case and the official active cooler the CPU temperature gets too hot before the fan ramps up
Seems like I will need to solder my own wires to use a noctua fan with it, the pi 5's fan pinout definitely doesnt line up with noctua fan's PWM.
just to let you know, so you can try, the RPI5 has hdmi audio problems with monitors 2560x1080 .... if you play a video with audio, it starts flashing and audio comes out crippled....
Thank you for these tests. This is useful.
love love love my ice tower cooler
water cooled Pi5!
I like pi. In all flavours.
This ... this is deliberate overkill, right? The rpi5 doesn't really need this much cooling, right?
Tomorrow’s Pi news shows way more extreme cooling. This is a very effective reasonably priced cooler.
Given the results I doubt this fan ever makes a difference compared to the official active cooler which also seems to cool down vram or something as well.
Would it be possible to invert the fan so that it blew air out? That plus the heatsinks I wonder if it would be similar in performance to the active cooler.
Also is having the active cooler in an option ?
You can swap the fan around
Do you think the PiNEBerry Pi nVME top hat will fit into the enclosed case?
It has quite a bit of height spare
@@leepspvideo I'll have to check it out. If it doesn't work, then I guess it gives me an excuse to pre-order another RPi5. 😂
At the same time, I've been seeing a lot of videos pushing mini PCs over RPis. Slightly considering trying one out, but I've always enjoyed RPis.
I have a playlist on mini PC’s
@fmafieldmediaascension9220
were did you get those cute little rubber feet for the screws, neat move!!! 👍👍😀
We had a kitchen fitted recently and they left behind a load of them
Amazon sell kits
amzn.to/40rHFzE
how does ICE Tower Cooler for Raspberry Pi 5 compare with the official cooler temperature wise ? The official one have pads for all chips and it cools them all.
Sounds like a good idea for a video. 👍🏻
20C less in favor of Ice Tower
Why use thermal pads with the ice-cooler, and not some paste, like arctic mx-4?
Results should be even better, because paste makes a much thinner film, and has higher thermal conductivity.
CPU paste Vs Thermal Pad. Raspberry Pi 4
ruclips.net/video/-Z05yBrU0jQ/видео.html
@@leepspvideo thanks. So it was 3.4° cooler with paste.
I plan to try stock pi5b cooler with paste too, and with some other modifications to be sure, it lies flat on the surface, which it does not seem to do with thermal pads in stock configuration.
Will that case accommodate a bottom hat by pimorini for an nvme drive?
I guess. I haven’t tried one. Geekworm is sending me some pcie nvme boards to test
And the original pi fan ?
I haven’t tested it yet
@@leepspvideo yea definitely wanna see a comparison with the active cooler curious were it will be i still expect the tower to come out on top more fins and copper heat pipes more importantly but interesting to see were in the middle it ends up
Is it possible to use thermal paste over the raspberry pi processor?
Yes
CPU paste Vs Thermal Pad. Raspberry Pi 4
ruclips.net/video/-Z05yBrU0jQ/видео.html
Can you please test passive cooling on Pi5 options? i.e just a heatsink no fan
are these fans better than the active cooler
It’s more effective at cooling but is much larger
That's all well and good. But, every day I check the online stores and my local Microcenter and no Pi 5 in stock. I check a few times a day actually. If this is going to be like the Pi 4, I will be done with the Raspberry Pis. I can get a HP Mini PC From Microcenter that is much more powerful for the same price as the Pi 5.
YOU GET TO HAVE THREE NOW??! I'm still waiting to get ONE. 🙄
I was sent one early. I paid for the others and accessories
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I'm more interested in the metal cases that passively cool the RPi5.
Is there a UK link for the ICE Tower Cooler?
Not yet
Awesome vid!!
Why not use thermal paste?
I usually test cases and coolers with what they are supplied with. Thermal paste is more effective
CPU paste Vs Thermal Pad. Raspberry Pi 4
ruclips.net/video/-Z05yBrU0jQ/видео.html
I'll check it out.
The cooler is good, i was just thinking that thermal paste would even be a better solution. In any event you weren't getting throttled down. Lots of headroom for OC imho. @@leepspvideo
Was that fan pulling out?
The video has 2 fans
@@leepspvideo That's one more than Brighton and Hove Albion.
52pi's alucase fan was pulling out - installed to wrong direction. invalidating all testing. but hey, views!
and how about more than single core load?
@@cannesahs the fan came attached to the heat sink. It’s pushing air through the heat sink. Not sure what the negativity is about, but you are wrong.
With the Pi 5 coming with an official heatsink and fan, a comparison with any third party 'solutions' in order to ascertain whether any of them actually have any real value shoild ideally be the norm. It was disappointing to hear that he supplier asked for a delay in the review because they were out of stock because it can easily give a reasonable impression that what we are seeing is not a review but an advert, potentially calling into question the impartiality of the review.
advert means that the channel has to "obey" the manufacturer about what to say, which did not happen, they only asked for a delay to improve customer satisfaction imo
It was only a request to hold the release day until the item was available. I’m sure I’ll have comparisons in future videos.
Will anyone actually run theirs without the overclock?
It depends if they need the overclock or not. I'm not particularly interested in emulating consoles, I come from the realms of home computers like the ZX Spectrum and Commodore Amiga, as well as wanting to emulate arcade games through MAME and maybe a few MS-DOS games. None of that requires particularly high powered SBCs anyway when it comes to emulation.
i want this wallpaper, please😁
That is the wallpaper that comes with the new raspberry pi os.
@@tomconnors8165 thanks
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🙋
must be nice to get free stuff all the time.
I appreciate it
It realy is silly to not use the heat sinks or the official active cooler in that case expecaly on a PI 5. There is a marked improvement with either solution. Slow twisting slightly side to side of the heat sinks during removal will almost always make them easily release. DO NOT pry them up from one edge as the adhesive is strongest against that approach, just wiggle them as you pull them up vertically.