As far as all those little tidbits you throw out (higher speed player: 6 iron apex should be close to driver CHS. average speed: 6 iron CHS should match apex), what are the chances you can throw all that together in a blog post/article of some sort to share? Stuff like that is invaluable to people that are trying to learn more about fittings but isn't really shared publicly, more treated as insider knowledge. Having it all together in a single location would be amazing.
I really enjoyed this video. Once I got over my envy of Ian for being to source these incredibly limited production irons I realized that this video was less a review of these specific irons but rather another excellent fitting video that makes this channel so interesting to me. Specifically, the importance of proper club gapping, importance of variables beyond just spin (e.g. peak height, landing angle, etc.), and just tuning each club to the job it needs to do in your bag. Thanks for these reminders though I still remain envious of Ian...
Fourteen are no joke! Just got fitted into TB-7's with Modus 130's. Moved from Z585's and it was between TB-7's and ZX7's. They are definitely worth a review.
I love to see blades is stronger lofts. I'm playing the PXG 0211 ST blades in 6-PW. I had them bent 2º strong, which puts them right at the stock Fourteen RM specs exactly. I was worried they wouldn't have enough height, but they're absolutely fine. And they look amazing. Super clean. The top line is a little thicker and the heads are slightly larger than a usual blade, so they have ended up being quite forgiving (for a blade).
Same here. PXG 0211ST are an excellent value. 14 is a great company 200USD/iron is steep. PXG 0211ST is an amazing iron for the price point they set it at under 100USD and also very minimalist. For the money this is a great way to enter pure forged blade sticks.
What I love about irons of this ilk, is the distinct lack of hot shots. You expect to be punished for a bad strike, it’s heart breaking when you flush one and get punished because it’s come off hot.
Beautiful irons, really interesting video. I found myself leaning more towards the stronger lofts due to the spin, height and control I was able to get. I stopped chasing distance and found that more control = better scoring. Another great video guys, keep it up!
Ian isn't the only one missing clubs, I have a friend I went to the Open championship with and he still doesn't have his clubs, supposedly in Heathrow, my guess is lost in Edinburgh airport.
I played MP20-MB’s in 2 degree stronger lofts, actually Won a club board competition with them set up like that. but felt the loss of bounce especially at 6-7iron made them a less playable so bent them back to stock. 34* 7iron. Means I live with a bit more of a gap between the 6i and 26* hybrid.
First up, these are beautiful. I love the minimal branding, clean lines. Secondly, completely agree with Ian, not bothered about lofts, much more interested in control. If like me you are used to a 7i with a loft of 33-34 degrees then the 7i in this set is more like a 6i, but does it really matter what is stamped on the bottom of the club as long as you as the player know what it does and it does that consistently? Sure with a PW loft of 43 degrees Ian will probably need to carry 3 wedges (48, 53, 58?) but that still leaves him room in his bag for 2 long clubs - 3w and 3h or 7w would be one option if he is taking 4i-PW in this set. Thirdly, that 4i terrifies me!
He’s carrying 5 wedges, at least if you’re referring to what’s stamped on sole. He’s got 47*, traditional PW, 52, 57 & 62. Because this set has a “PW” with strong 9-iron loft, I wouldn’t pay attention to the traditional definition the number/letter on sole but rather just its distance. My guess is that’s why when he began playing these he was only playing the 6-PW, essentially replacing his Miura 5-9 iron. Now he’s added the 4-5 for specific conditions where launch and flight profile needs to be lower and in more control due to environmental conditions. When transitioning to these outside the norm specs, we just need to define each clubs purpose and ignore the standard number/letter designations. If not, trying to match our gapping by traditional number/letter would require excessive loft adjustments that would render an unplayable sole due to consequential bounce angle adjustment.
@@MichaelM-to4sg I would not carry that many wedges, I see little point in having a wedge with more than 58 degrees of loft, provided you can open it up. Otherwise I completely agree with you
@@justinstephenson9360 Is he really carrying 5 “wedges” when one of those is 43* loft? That’s why I say ignore the number/letter on sole. The PW is not a wedge by any definition I’m familiar with, it’s simply a 142yd club. I personally find a 60* wedge very valuable tool. I carry 4 wedges; 48, 52, 56, 60. My 56 Miura SW is 14* bounce. Works fantastic in normal dry, fine to medium sand. What happens when it’s damp-wet sand? What about when it’s heavy course sand? I need a low bounce wedge I can play a bit further back in stance and more square that allows sole to dig into sand. My 60 is 8* bounce, works great in heavy and/or wet sand, lies where ball is sitting down in heavy rough or even a tight thin lie. Honestly, if I were limited to just 3 wedges, I’d ditch the 52* long before I ditch my high bounce 56-low bounce 60 combo.
I’m going to ask again…can you do a test with similarly lofted/spec irons with different designs to show how different the ball flights and distances will be? Even though they are the same? Even something like 48° RTX vs CBX wedge. Thanks!
What’s the cutoff speed to be classified as a higher swing speed player? At what 6 iron club speed do you start looking for the peak height to match driver club head speed?
I have been playing the X Forged 19 since release, before that I was playing the RAZR X MB. Since then I have struggled to hit my normal cut and flight the ball down. Your mention of offset has really made me want to switch back to an iron with less offset. I also use the KBS Tour shafts so maybe the slightly higher balance point has also contributed to my difficulty hitting a cut. Maybe the Apex TCB would be a good iron to switch to.
Ian has said in the past that he doesn't believe in traditional lie adjustments based on those measurements. He fits lie angle based on start line (which I agree with). Frequent pulls=too upright, frequent pushes=too flat.
I would somewhat disagree with your phrasing of ignoring lofts. Yes, I agree it’s all about gapping. My suggestion would be to ignore the number or letter on sole and refer to each club by its full swing yardage. For example, in your makeup the 47* would be essentially your PW but better defined as your 130 yd club. What’s the distinction? Most clubs can only be bent +\- 2* to remain playable. If that 30* 7-iron, which in my set would be right between a 5 & 6 fwiw, would need to be bent to say 33* to achieve desired gapping, the bounce might be so high to make it difficult to achieve consistent ball striking on tightly mown fairways. The point being while I, much like you, employ a wedge in lieu of the standard PW from a set. This integrates perfectly with my Miura 501’s where 44* 9-iron is my 142yd club and my 48* T22 wedge is 130yd club. If I were to order this club, I would need to order the PW or even a GW to acquire a 44* lofted clubhead w/appropriate bounce angle. I would then presumably have sufficient tolerance to adjust lofts, if needed to achieve my target gapping w/o ending up with an unplayable too high or too low bounce angle. I guess my issue with having a muscle back with such strong lofts is the requirement to think a lot more about set makeup to integrate an existing wedge set and gapping range. The number/letter on sole has lost its purpose.
Can someone actually explain from a technical standpoint why this continued trend for stronger lofts is considered a good thing for "flighting your irons down"? At this point, a 7 iron has less loft than a 6 iron from 10-15 years ago (e.g. MP32, 690MB) and similar loft to a 5 iron from around 2000 (e.g. MP14). So why is the 7 iron going lower? Because it's literally a 6 or 5 iron. And if we're talking other specs, you can always hard step the shafts or shorten the lengths. If bounce is a factor, you can choose an iron with a different sole profile or bend the iron head. And if you prefer the shape of a non-iron, then simply take out the PW and replace with a 46* or 48* wedge. The video talks very generally about gapping and spin/windows like it's a nebulous concept. It seems like the wrong number is being printed on the sole, which is fine, until you realize you now have to carry 4 or even 5 wedges to get even gaps until a 60* wedge. Is this trend mostly ego-driven and marketing-driven so people can say they can hit an 8 iron (formerly 6 iron) 200 yards?
The price point (yes from PXG) is very friendly.... a smart way for PXG to take a step into a pure blade market with no screws or weights or super gel. Not sure who is doing the forging for them. They say 3X... I suspect a Japanese foundry. They know their steel forging going back to the Samurai era. Their metallurgy technology and expertise is second to non IMHO. Would love to know where the 0211STs are 3X forged :)
Speaking of good-looking, surprisingly forgiving blades... you know we NEED to see the KM 700s and get your thoughts on those. I was thinking those could have gone in the bag if you couldn't get the fourteens from Air Canada
These look nice, but at $1900 no thanks. I picked up some Gen 4 PXG ST blades for $129 a club. I never really cared for their clubs, since they were always so ridiculously priced, but these were hard to pass up. Other than the lack of shaft options right now, they feel great. Glad I got them.
I have a question for a future video perhaps. I am gaming p.790 irons with a stiff flex if that matters and all my approach shots almost always roll on, when they pitch. I know that my irons are a game improvement and it spin less. So I was wondering how much more spin would I need to add by the means of new club or technique (if possible) to make my approach shots to check on the spot or even roll back a few feet like you see on the telly . I have also been told that using premium balls helps. I'm currently using Srixon AD333 balls(not premium), unsure if it is the best ball for me. If i were to guess with my irons I think I get an average of 5k ish rpm with my 7i (unsure about that). Thanks
a premium ball will add add more spin but not the numbers you'd need to get enough spin to zip it back. when you see guys on tour doing it its usually a 50 degree + wedge getting 11-12k+ backspin. your mid irons shouldn't be back spinning, more like "checking up" 5 feet past your pitch mark. Also green conditions play the biggest factor. if you wanna feel like tiger head to the course after a good rain and hit some wedges.
Great video. (#moremac , #bladeswillbeblades ) Wow, Ian, you are really in sync with those sticks! The impact sound, the flight! S'great! Q: Whut the shaft you are playing? I thought I saw the Dynamic Gold shaft band flash...but not sure.
Love the concepts of fitting your irons to the flight and distance you want but realistically who has the access or money to hit enough balls with all different types of irons at different lofts to dial that in? Only you who work at a shop and pros who have staff working for them. Great idea but completely unrealistic.
As a better player who doesn't appear to be too inside out, if you are struggling with heel shots check your hand path, I'd wager it's a little steep and you are getting under the sweet spot late to save the shot. I don't know if quad has the ability to measure VSP (vertical swing plane) but my guess is that it would be a little high. An easy way to try and correct is get a shaft in the ground at the same lie angle as your iron and make slow down swings and see if your hands are too far from your body at impact compared to setup. This would let you know, hope it helps
Sadly it won’t even let me watch the video, these things happen though, hope you guys can get it sorted soon. I’ve missed the banger content you guys out out
Take a look over at PXG 0211ST same lofts 3X sold forged no screws, goo. Consistently sold under 100USD / club. They look, feel, sound and perform great fully loft / lie custom. Looking for a true blade for the first set... can't go wrong with these. They feel almost a good as a MP20 when you nut them.
The reason us morons whinge about the stronger and stronger lofts is an "iron set" is fast becoming a 7, 8 and 9 iron Then you have to plug the gap with half a dozen wedges. But what do we know?
If the company offers clubs down to like 48-50 degrees I kinda dont care what they stamp on the bottom. Do i think there are 9 loft gaps between 20 and 50 degrees so you should number your irons 1-9 and then get specialty wedges from there? Yeah I kinda do. But when a company is like hey the lowest loft we offer is 42 figure it out from there, i think thats where us mortals are like ok this is dumb.
Or learn how to hit different clubs different distances. I dont get your point. I play p790 4-9. 46 vokey, 50 taylormade, 54 vokey, 60 vokey. Perfection except for the PW is a touch weaker but thats ok i'm not trying to bomb it.
@@greatwhite3676 - agreed! I don’t get the confusion either. If a player is coming off a player improvement iron and is hitting pretty true as their game evolves and wants to move up to a control or feel iron than what’s the confusion? The P790 PW could be 145 all day because it’s got some loft and tech to improve ball speed. So if you want to hit 140 ish in your blades then loft accordingly - same distance but better feel and feedback. For most including me with mortal club head speed that’s about a 42-44 deg strong loft PW… then loft them down the bag in 4 ish deg increments. Done. You end up with 10-15 yrd gapping till your club head speed can’t carry it. Most amateurs that’s going to be about 5 iron or it goes below 24 degrees. At that point stop and just play something else in the bag. A DHY iron with some tech or hybrid or woods that gap the long end of the bag and keeps the game fun! Why is this so hard to figure out. There has never been more choices for techy and great options 24 degrees and under that get you 180 yds or better 9 out of 10 times you swing it than any amateur swinging the 22 deg iron…… I think people think they can’t play blades unless they can hit a 19 degree 3 iron. They are measuring and lofting from the wrong direction in the bag. If you hit a PW at 140 ish (lofted correctly to that) then you only need the number of wedges you want. I only play down to a 58 deg wedge cause that’s what I like in my last wedge. That leaves whatever full swing loft gives the player 130 and 120 yds - 3 wedges… And at the other end of the bag… stopping hitting clubs that don’t get you your yardage 8 times out of 10. The last club in your bag with a steel shaft should be the last one you stand over the ball and have full confidence in…
@@jeremy7818 this why when people ask me what iron I just hit into a par three (not in tourneys) I don't tell them 9i or 6i, I tell them the yardage I was clubbing for and they can convert to their own club choice. #playmoregawlf
@@jeremy7818 I also don’t understand this idea that some irons go too far. P790s are far from the strongest lofts around. They are pretty standard. People just repeat things they hear.
They shoulld just stop talking numbers in clubs .... that so called PW is of course more of a 9 iron ... so maybe just take off the numbers and put degrees on them only?! Kinda boring STILL listening to people thinking they're so much longer with their "so-called PW" against "normal" degree PW.... of course most are longer with a 9 iron degree than PW degree .... duuuh! And again .... that 6 iron is a 5 iron.... in degrees...
@kidze you would think after watching dozens of high quality TXG videos you would know that their quality is better than 360p and that there’s something wrong on RUclipss end.
As far as all those little tidbits you throw out (higher speed player: 6 iron apex should be close to driver CHS. average speed: 6 iron CHS should match apex), what are the chances you can throw all that together in a blog post/article of some sort to share? Stuff like that is invaluable to people that are trying to learn more about fittings but isn't really shared publicly, more treated as insider knowledge. Having it all together in a single location would be amazing.
#wishlist
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I really enjoyed this video. Once I got over my envy of Ian for being to source these incredibly limited production irons I realized that this video was less a review of these specific irons but rather another excellent fitting video that makes this channel so interesting to me. Specifically, the importance of proper club gapping, importance of variables beyond just spin (e.g. peak height, landing angle, etc.), and just tuning each club to the job it needs to do in your bag. Thanks for these reminders though I still remain envious of Ian...
Those gems are worthy of an AirTag
Glad you got the clubs back ian 👍
Fourteen always has such high quality products. Love their wedges as well !
Fourteen are no joke! Just got fitted into TB-7's with Modus 130's. Moved from Z585's and it was between TB-7's and ZX7's. They are definitely worth a review.
I love to see blades is stronger lofts. I'm playing the PXG 0211 ST blades in 6-PW. I had them bent 2º strong, which puts them right at the stock Fourteen RM specs exactly. I was worried they wouldn't have enough height, but they're absolutely fine. And they look amazing. Super clean. The top line is a little thicker and the heads are slightly larger than a usual blade, so they have ended up being quite forgiving (for a blade).
Same here. PXG 0211ST are an excellent value. 14 is a great company 200USD/iron is steep. PXG 0211ST is an amazing iron for the price point they set it at under 100USD and also very minimalist. For the money this is a great way to enter pure forged blade sticks.
Ian! glad to see you guys presenting the brands that are not well known in America. Thanks!
What I love about irons of this ilk, is the distinct lack of hot shots. You expect to be punished for a bad strike, it’s heart breaking when you flush one and get punished because it’s come off hot.
Those irons are right up Ian's street. They must be good to replace the Miuras. Looking good boys 👍
They beat out a set of Miuras!! Now that's something!
Beautiful irons, really interesting video. I found myself leaning more towards the stronger lofts due to the spin, height and control I was able to get. I stopped chasing distance and found that more control = better scoring.
Another great video guys, keep it up!
Ian isn't the only one missing clubs, I have a friend I went to the Open championship with and he still doesn't have his clubs, supposedly in Heathrow, my guess is lost in Edinburgh airport.
Yeah the airlines suck at this and worse, they don't care
Would love to see a review of the new takomo 101t irons ⛳
I think they’ve already don’t them haven’t they?
I played MP20-MB’s in 2 degree stronger lofts, actually Won a club board competition with them set up like that. but felt the loss of bounce especially at 6-7iron made them a less playable so bent them back to stock. 34* 7iron. Means I live with a bit more of a gap between the 6i and 26* hybrid.
I play the Rm4 wedges. Raw finish. They are great!
First up, these are beautiful. I love the minimal branding, clean lines.
Secondly, completely agree with Ian, not bothered about lofts, much more interested in control. If like me you are used to a 7i with a loft of 33-34 degrees then the 7i in this set is more like a 6i, but does it really matter what is stamped on the bottom of the club as long as you as the player know what it does and it does that consistently? Sure with a PW loft of 43 degrees Ian will probably need to carry 3 wedges (48, 53, 58?) but that still leaves him room in his bag for 2 long clubs - 3w and 3h or 7w would be one option if he is taking 4i-PW in this set.
Thirdly, that 4i terrifies me!
He’s carrying 5 wedges, at least if you’re referring to what’s stamped on sole. He’s got 47*, traditional PW, 52, 57 & 62. Because this set has a “PW” with strong 9-iron loft, I wouldn’t pay attention to the traditional definition the number/letter on sole but rather just its distance.
My guess is that’s why when he began playing these he was only playing the 6-PW, essentially replacing his Miura 5-9 iron. Now he’s added the 4-5 for specific conditions where launch and flight profile needs to be lower and in more control due to environmental conditions.
When transitioning to these outside the norm specs, we just need to define each clubs purpose and ignore the standard number/letter designations. If not, trying to match our gapping by traditional number/letter would require excessive loft adjustments that would render an unplayable sole due to consequential bounce angle adjustment.
@@MichaelM-to4sg I would not carry that many wedges, I see little point in having a wedge with more than 58 degrees of loft, provided you can open it up. Otherwise I completely agree with you
@@justinstephenson9360 Is he really carrying 5 “wedges” when one of those is 43* loft? That’s why I say ignore the number/letter on sole. The PW is not a wedge by any definition I’m familiar with, it’s simply a 142yd club.
I personally find a 60* wedge very valuable tool. I carry 4 wedges; 48, 52, 56, 60. My 56 Miura SW is 14* bounce. Works fantastic in normal dry, fine to medium sand. What happens when it’s damp-wet sand? What about when it’s heavy course sand? I need a low bounce wedge I can play a bit further back in stance and more square that allows sole to dig into sand. My 60 is 8* bounce, works great in heavy and/or wet sand, lies where ball is sitting down in heavy rough or even a tight thin lie. Honestly, if I were limited to just 3 wedges, I’d ditch the 52* long before I ditch my high bounce 56-low bounce 60 combo.
I’m going to ask again…can you do a test with similarly lofted/spec irons with different designs to show how different the ball flights and distances will be? Even though they are the same? Even something like 48° RTX vs CBX wedge. Thanks!
What’s the cutoff speed to be classified as a higher swing speed player? At what 6 iron club speed do you start looking for the peak height to match driver club head speed?
What a good ball striker!
Question about peak high, what about for fast speed player ,117 ss optimal peak should be? 107?
That's a long 8. Ian has been hitting the gym! 💪
What brand hat is Mac wearing?
I have been playing the X Forged 19 since release, before that I was playing the RAZR X MB. Since then I have struggled to hit my normal cut and flight the ball down. Your mention of offset has really made me want to switch back to an iron with less offset. I also use the KBS Tour shafts so maybe the slightly higher balance point has also contributed to my difficulty hitting a cut. Maybe the Apex TCB would be a good iron to switch to.
these are really good looking clubs and based on the review, might be worth a deeper look
Do you use the dynamic lie reading on gc quad to determine lie angles of clubs?
Ian has said in the past that he doesn't believe in traditional lie adjustments based on those measurements. He fits lie angle based on start line (which I agree with). Frequent pulls=too upright, frequent pushes=too flat.
I would somewhat disagree with your phrasing of ignoring lofts. Yes, I agree it’s all about gapping. My suggestion would be to ignore the number or letter on sole and refer to each club by its full swing yardage. For example, in your makeup the 47* would be essentially your PW but better defined as your 130 yd club. What’s the distinction? Most clubs can only be bent +\- 2* to remain playable. If that 30* 7-iron, which in my set would be right between a 5 & 6 fwiw, would need to be bent to say 33* to achieve desired gapping, the bounce might be so high to make it difficult to achieve consistent ball striking on tightly mown fairways.
The point being while I, much like you, employ a wedge in lieu of the standard PW from a set. This integrates perfectly with my Miura 501’s where 44* 9-iron is my 142yd club and my 48* T22 wedge is 130yd club. If I were to order this club, I would need to order the PW or even a GW to acquire a 44* lofted clubhead w/appropriate bounce angle. I would then presumably have sufficient tolerance to adjust lofts, if needed to achieve my target gapping w/o ending up with an unplayable too high or too low bounce angle. I guess my issue with having a muscle back with such strong lofts is the requirement to think a lot more about set makeup to integrate an existing wedge set and gapping range. The number/letter on sole has lost its purpose.
What shaft is on the Taylormade P760 irons? Also do you have the P760 4 iron turned down to 20 degrees or the 3 iron turned up to 20 degrees?
Can you do a video on how spining clubs differently affects how it plays? Specifically more on woods and driver
Spineing
Can someone actually explain from a technical standpoint why this continued trend for stronger lofts is considered a good thing for "flighting your irons down"? At this point, a 7 iron has less loft than a 6 iron from 10-15 years ago (e.g. MP32, 690MB) and similar loft to a 5 iron from around 2000 (e.g. MP14).
So why is the 7 iron going lower? Because it's literally a 6 or 5 iron. And if we're talking other specs, you can always hard step the shafts or shorten the lengths. If bounce is a factor, you can choose an iron with a different sole profile or bend the iron head. And if you prefer the shape of a non-iron, then simply take out the PW and replace with a 46* or 48* wedge.
The video talks very generally about gapping and spin/windows like it's a nebulous concept. It seems like the wrong number is being printed on the sole, which is fine, until you realize you now have to carry 4 or even 5 wedges to get even gaps until a 60* wedge.
Is this trend mostly ego-driven and marketing-driven so people can say they can hit an 8 iron (formerly 6 iron) 200 yards?
Is Ian a +5? Should be on tour. Hits them great!
He’s playing off a +5????
@@jdietzVispop No...I believe he is around +1 or +2...fine golfer...but also around to know that a +2 goes broke trying to play Tour golf
How do they compare to your zx7 irons?
Should test out the PXG 0211 ST I picked them up and love the blade look but they are so forgiving and stronger lofts than traditional blades.
The price point (yes from PXG) is very friendly.... a smart way for PXG to take a step into a pure blade market with no screws or weights or super gel. Not sure who is doing the forging for them. They say 3X... I suspect a Japanese foundry. They know their steel forging going back to the Samurai era. Their metallurgy technology and expertise is second to non IMHO. Would love to know where the 0211STs are 3X forged :)
What have you been doing to try to get out of that heel miss?
Speaking of good-looking, surprisingly forgiving blades... you know we NEED to see the KM 700s and get your thoughts on those. I was thinking those could have gone in the bag if you couldn't get the fourteens from Air Canada
Would be interesting to see these against the Honma tw747 vx with both having strong lofts in a players irons
These look nice, but at $1900 no thanks. I picked up some Gen 4 PXG ST blades for $129 a club. I never really cared for their clubs, since they were always so ridiculously priced, but these were hard to pass up. Other than the lack of shaft options right now, they feel great. Glad I got them.
Those are gorgeous 🤑
Wow beautiful set lucky
Loving the intro!
Come to Cragburn again!
I don't ever think I've seen less offset
Great review but they aren't available anymore. Sold out
On their website now and you can order them
Really like the intro!!
I have a question for a future video perhaps.
I am gaming p.790 irons with a stiff flex if that matters and all my approach shots almost always roll on, when they pitch. I know that my irons are a game improvement and it spin less.
So I was wondering how much more spin would I need to add by the means of new club or technique (if possible) to make my approach shots to check on the spot or even roll back a few feet like you see on the telly . I have also been told that using premium balls helps. I'm currently using Srixon AD333 balls(not premium), unsure if it is the best ball for me. If i were to guess with my irons I think I get an average of 5k ish rpm with my 7i (unsure about that).
Thanks
a premium ball will add add more spin but not the numbers you'd need to get enough spin to zip it back. when you see guys on tour doing it its usually a 50 degree + wedge getting 11-12k+ backspin. your mid irons shouldn't be back spinning, more like "checking up" 5 feet past your pitch mark. Also green conditions play the biggest factor. if you wanna feel like tiger head to the course after a good rain and hit some wedges.
@@djpoe7394 Yeah that is legit.
Beautiful irons, I wish I was good enough to play them
Whats shafts?
He's playing DG 120 X100 right now.
Great video. (#moremac , #bladeswillbeblades )
Wow, Ian, you are really in sync with those sticks! The impact sound, the flight! S'great!
Q: Whut the shaft you are playing? I thought I saw the Dynamic Gold shaft band flash...but not sure.
DG tour issue 120grams
@@ianfrasergolf Thanks!!
KM700 pleaseeeeeee!!
Would be cool to see a comparison between these blades and the p790 power bats of the same loft.
Is loft really all that matters?
Love the concepts of fitting your irons to the flight and distance you want but realistically who has the access or money to hit enough balls with all different types of irons at different lofts to dial that in? Only you who work at a shop and pros who have staff working for them. Great idea but completely unrealistic.
Not really, this should be done in an iron fitting which should also include a gapping analysis.
totally agree
you guys should test the fourteen tc7s as well. really incredible clubs
Also fighting the heel miss these days - what drills are you doing?
I play the FH1000s by Fourteen. Best iron in the game IMO.
when will you be doing more fitting videos?
As a better player who doesn't appear to be too inside out, if you are struggling with heel shots check your hand path, I'd wager it's a little steep and you are getting under the sweet spot late to save the shot. I don't know if quad has the ability to measure VSP (vertical swing plane) but my guess is that it would be a little high. An easy way to try and correct is get a shaft in the ground at the same lie angle as your iron and make slow down swings and see if your hands are too far from your body at impact compared to setup. This would let you know, hope it helps
Sadly it won’t even let me watch the video, these things happen though, hope you guys can get it sorted soon. I’ve missed the banger content you guys out out
These things are crazy expensive from what I've seen
$2,500 Cdn?😳
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Take a look over at PXG 0211ST same lofts 3X sold forged no screws, goo. Consistently sold under 100USD / club. They look, feel, sound and perform great fully loft / lie custom. Looking for a true blade for the first set... can't go wrong with these. They feel almost a good as a MP20 when you nut them.
where is matty boi?
$1900…not cheap but look great
I miss Matty :(
These before the KM700s?!? Ughhh. KM700s please!
We’re hoping Miura will send us a set.
The reason us morons whinge about the stronger and stronger lofts is an "iron set" is fast becoming a 7, 8 and 9 iron
Then you have to plug the gap with half a dozen wedges.
But what do we know?
If the company offers clubs down to like 48-50 degrees I kinda dont care what they stamp on the bottom. Do i think there are 9 loft gaps between 20 and 50 degrees so you should number your irons 1-9 and then get specialty wedges from there? Yeah I kinda do. But when a company is like hey the lowest loft we offer is 42 figure it out from there, i think thats where us mortals are like ok this is dumb.
Or learn how to hit different clubs different distances. I dont get your point. I play p790 4-9. 46 vokey, 50 taylormade, 54 vokey, 60 vokey. Perfection except for the PW is a touch weaker but thats ok i'm not trying to bomb it.
@@greatwhite3676 - agreed! I don’t get the confusion either. If a player is coming off a player improvement iron and is hitting pretty true as their game evolves and wants to move up to a control or feel iron than what’s the confusion?
The P790 PW could be 145 all day because it’s got some loft and tech to improve ball speed.
So if you want to hit 140 ish in your blades then loft accordingly - same distance but better feel and feedback. For most including me with mortal club head speed that’s about a 42-44 deg strong loft PW… then loft them down the bag in 4 ish deg increments. Done.
You end up with 10-15 yrd gapping till your club head speed can’t carry it.
Most amateurs that’s going to be about 5 iron or it goes below 24 degrees.
At that point stop and just play something else in the bag. A DHY iron with some tech or hybrid or woods that gap the long end of the bag and keeps the game fun!
Why is this so hard to figure out.
There has never been more choices for techy and great options 24 degrees and under that get you 180 yds or better 9 out of 10 times you swing it than any amateur swinging the 22 deg iron……
I think people think they can’t play blades unless they can hit a 19 degree 3 iron.
They are measuring and lofting from the wrong direction in the bag.
If you hit a PW at 140 ish (lofted correctly to that) then you only need the number of wedges you want. I only play down to a 58 deg wedge cause that’s what I like in my last wedge.
That leaves whatever full swing loft gives the player 130 and 120 yds - 3 wedges…
And at the other end of the bag… stopping hitting clubs that don’t get you your yardage 8 times out of 10. The last club in your bag with a steel shaft should be the last one you stand over the ball and have full confidence in…
@@jeremy7818 this why when people ask me what iron I just hit into a par three (not in tourneys) I don't tell them 9i or 6i, I tell them the yardage I was clubbing for and they can convert to their own club choice. #playmoregawlf
@@jeremy7818 I also don’t understand this idea that some irons go too far. P790s are far from the strongest lofts around. They are pretty standard. People just repeat things they hear.
Where the hell is Mikey?! Haha
Methinks ian has him chained to the shop bench!!!
They shoulld just stop talking numbers in clubs .... that so called PW is of course more of a 9 iron ... so maybe just take off the numbers and put degrees on them only?! Kinda boring STILL listening to people thinking they're so much longer with their "so-called PW" against "normal" degree PW.... of course most are longer with a 9 iron degree than PW degree .... duuuh! And again .... that 6 iron is a 5 iron.... in degrees...
We’re certainly tired of it.
iron looks sexy
Please bring back the old intro music. It was so much better than this
They are awesome until you learn they don't make left hand stuff so the company actually sucks lol
Im i wrong , or does Ian Fraser always relate everything to himself, his game ,his clubs an therefore he can then talk about himself again.
Yes you are wrong!!
You the only one feeling that way. Yes, you’re wrong, that’s why you put that question first.
360p for quality? really?
RUclips appears to be having issues this morning. The video is 4K and will self correct shortly
@kidze you would think after watching dozens of high quality TXG videos you would know that their quality is better than 360p and that there’s something wrong on RUclipss end.