Minority Representation in D&D PHB isn't for Minorities
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- Опубликовано: 7 июл 2024
- There are more (imaginary) women of color than ever, in leftist D&D art; but it doesn't really have anything to do with real women of color.
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"Your life is a hot mess and you're going to wizard prom" was brilliant.
😂 made me laugh that line.
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The female elf of color from the cover of the new PHB was supposed to be Queen Yolande of Celene, who is described as a GRAY elf. Replacement is not inclusion.
Perchance, the artist is just neurodiverse and dyslexic, and choose to depict this character because they thought she is GAY elf!
Grey elves are not black
Meatball representation is for Meatball
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D&D is total shite now. I say,..hard pass.
Yep wotc dnd isn't real dnd anyhow.
check out Baptism of Fire!
Yeah it’s junk.
Copy that. No a chance I’m wasting my money on this recycled trash.
📝 19:40 they are definitely modeling it on *triple A* pre-order model.
The funny joke is that video gamers are sick of the obscene number pre-order tiers , microtransactions & wokism.
The Triple A video game industry is dying because sales are falling.
So, the Wizard of the Coast & hasbro are literally adopting strategies from the triple A video gaming industry , that is killing the triple A gaming industry.
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Meatball is playing as Godzilla in a LARP, Meatball just forgot to let 'Pundit know. 😁
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Their new books will be in bargain stores come January for a bucket of spit.
Quite possibly.
half a bucket (bucket not included) take it or leave ir
Metalheads like myself plays D&D as well, but we play it like Conan the Barbarian.
What is best in life?
Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentation of their women.
You would like ACKS
sounds like a manowar track lol
@@finnfish5418 You Adventure then Conquer a Kingdom in a wonderful System.
@@finnfish5418
You killed your first man at 13,
Killer instinct, Animal supreme,
By 16 you had learned to fight
The way of the warrior, you took it as your right.
YES! It's time to get back to BARBARIANS, BEASTS, BABES, and BLOOD!
I need these books so I can virtue signal to my friends that I am DEIa.
Wait-Hillary Clinton is represented as a Paladin? Apparently Moloch is core in the new edition.
Haha very astute observation!
IT'S HER TURN
(...to make an attack)
yup.
"Pantsuit Paladin" FTW!
@@underfire987 But it’s weird to see a paladin use charisma as a dump stat. They must have reworked some game mechanics.
I go back to the late 70's playing D&D in High School. I DMed a campaign while in the Army in Germany. I will not support any of this woke campaign. Kudos for speaking out. This too will pass.
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@@RPGPundit Definitely!
Geek culture is also a big thing in East Asia, but it's fairly different than western geek culture. There's a reason most of their video game rpgs end with using the power of friendship to kill God or a godlike being.
Good point.
What is the reason?
@@user-cs4su3ng9l Symbolism of the community triumphing over an invasive western system that promised everything but left them vulnerable to collapse (the downturn of the 90's)
$80 /core book? O_O!!!
The Tomb of Horrors was never the same since they passed the ADA (Adventurers with Disabilities Act) and forced Acerak to make his tomb ADA compliant. :D
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Just to give a reference point on the costs of the new D&D 2024 books - the three 3.5e edition books (PHB, MM, DMG), published in June 2003, were USD 29.95 each. I'm using those as a baseline as, prior to those full-colour, glossy print tomes, the books are mainly black and white with a bit of highlight colour or, in the case of 3e (2000) were underpriced as a loss-leader to drive adoption. So, today (June 2024), based on CPI changes, that 29.95 would be around USD 51.12, or USD 153.36 for the set.
Midwits meddleing with the formula. Oh man.About sums up so many things in 2024. ~Brian
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I submit, once again, the "inclusion" of a female to male drow inside of Bregan d'aerthe in Waterdeep: Dragon Heist as an example of "inclusion" to include with no actual game/story effect at all.
Why the hell would anyone in Drow society choose to be male?
Why do this at all
@user-cs4su3ng9l For inclusions sake. There is no other reason that I can fathom. Now, understand, I could actually use this in a number of ways. Is "he" perhaps there to spy for a house? Does "he" get found out and has to murder that person who discovered "him" and then pins the blame on the pcs? A lot more plot hooks can easily come to mind, but they would be plot hooks YOU would have to create? This surely is the point then. Why bring it up at all without some sort of plot relevance? For inclusion.
I paid about 180 aud for the 5e books, sounds like I'd need to pay 300 for 5.5 if I felt like burning money for a minor improvement to some of the 5e mechanics buried within a mountain of garbage.
Absolutely don't do it!
@@RPGPundit Don't worry about it, even if they priced them cheaper for Australia, wotc has done a brilliant job convincing me to avoid their books in the last 5-6 years.
Oi! You forgot about us upside down folk here down under mate! And our brothers across the Tasman (the kiwis). We might might only be small in number but we do exist you know. There are more Aussies than most of the Scandinavian countries put together. There are 26 million of us. Well, most of that number are Aussies. Don’t be a typical yank mate, and forget about you best allies.You are way better than that. Love your vids mate, been a long time subscriber. Keep up the good work.
Who’s forgotten about our Australian friends? A LOT of Yanks love and support you guys.
🇺🇸🤜🏻🤛🏻🇦🇺
Yes, Australian gamers too. At least the ones that don't start their sessions by stating that they are "playing on aboriginal land".
@@RPGPundit never seen that, must be a new thing. One of my best friends was half aboriginal, he was just a gamer like the rest of us, he was in my primary school gaming group in our small country town in the early 80s.
@@alderaancrumbs6260 no worries. Just teasing a little actually.
I wonder how much Mike Pondsmith pisses them off.
Probably quite a lot. But they're not allowed to show it.
They tried to shame him about cultural appropriation, then he showed up and said hi, and yeah that's the point.
Let's put it this way Kasimir. Not even for free I will ever get their shit in my house. Call me crazy, but I feel like I would be inviting the devil himself to our life. That 5E crap is soaked with woke hate.We have so much fun with OSR games and so much wonderful board games to explore as well.
That's because the left is and has always been Demonic.
I prefer the Aristotelian view of a heroics, that a hero is a paragon of virtue while a villain is a paragon of vice.
That is not, however, the classical model, which is much more prevalent throughout ancient cultures.
@@RPGPundit I know, I just think society in general needs Aristotelian heroes more right now.
@@Richforce1 you're not wrong, but mainly it needs both. There is instead an active campaign in our culture to destroy both.
@@RPGPunditwhy is this the case?
I've seen WOTC's new art. Repulsive. All of it. Both the subjects and the execution.
We've fallen so far from Erol Otis, Bill Wilingham, Larry Elmore, Jeff Easley, and Wayne Reynolds, to name but a few.
4th edition sucked as a D&D rules set, but William O’Connor's art was still excellent.
Most of 5th Edition's art choices have been terrible, and consistently getting worse.
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If the world was flat cats would of knocked everything over the edge by now.
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I laughed at the art in these. Sings "Fat gay dwarves, Mexican Orcs, Negroi-oid elves..."
Im predicting New DnD will have 50% sales in 2025 probably around April.
I'm an ethnic Chinese guy who has lived most of my life in Canada and I started playing D&D in the early 1980s. I never cared about race (as in human ethnicities) because most of us played non-humans. However, I was excited when the Oriental Adventures came out because it was influenced by Chinese and Japanese cultures (but most pop culture). Now the wokeists say OA is racist because it misrepresents Asians - for fuck sake, I was lucky to have "presentation" in D&D and now they're saying it's racist (it wasn't), which means we'll never get an updated Oriental Adventures because people like Daniel Kwan says so. Oh, "oriental" isn't a racist term - I referred to myself as "oriental" from the 70s to the 90s and I hate referring myself as "Asian" since I don't live in Asia.
Kwan went on to make an adventure for WotC's candlekeep book that turned out to be based on Kung Fu movies, with as little or less authenticity than Oriental Adventures had.
@@RPGPundit He had the balls to say monks are racist to Chinese when monks since 1E have been based on the Chinese wuxia genre (think "Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon). The D&D monk is first and foremost, like all of the other D&D classes, based on fantasy pop culture, not real cultures.
Funny how the point of an RPG is often to let anybody become anything they want if they train hard enough to develop the needed experience to prove themself.
@@007ohboy As a Chinese-Canadian kid who grew up playing D&D since the early 1980s I never found 1E Oriental Adventures offensive. I was actually glad that I finally got representation in a very Euro-centric game like D&D.
Check out RUclipsr Don't Stop Thinking's video series of updating Kara-Tur to include more cultures inspired by real East and South-Eastern Asian cultures.
I love Meatball, but more importantly it's clear Meatball loves you. Awww ❤
Yes she does!
Wondering if the back stories are the problem. Instead a knight that was exiled because she was gay maybe it just needs to go back to your village was attacked by orcs and you managed to escape…..
I did purchase Sword and Caravan but find out that you cannot roll Byzantine characters! Which splatbooks do have Byzantine options?
Home brew it!
I haven't done a sourcebook for Byzantines. At least not yet.
@@RPGPundit one for the Pundit Files?
@@RPGPundit Don't deny us the purples of Rome any longer then!
Honestly I'm more likely to someday do an "Imperial Rome" setting than a Byzantium setting.
Anyone who buys the new D&D books are literally funding their enemies!
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Good video!
By the by, do you have a suggestion for resources related to the Victorian era or the Industrial Revolution? I want to run a campaign during that time, perhaps with steampunk elements, but I'm not sure where to start.
Not so sure about the Steampunk, unless you want to go really old-school with Space:1889, but if you want seedy adventures in the late Victorian era, check out the Red Room's "Wretched Belle Epoque".
Right on again brother
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Great video. Is it wrong that as I watched, I pretended it was Meatball talking since he was in the shot the whole time?
Meatball is a she, but I suppose that's ok.
@@RPGPundit Ah my apologies to Meatball!
In a recent conversatiom about this, I asked a friend if, perhaps, this overtly inclusive slant that One D&D art is taking may be meant to trigger some kind of social backlash in the D&D community against such inclusion, in favor of a sharp return to a more traditional, less-inclusive, non-PC, arguably anti-leftist grognardia. It sounds a little conspiratorial, but whether it's meant that way, merely getting that reaction and looking that way would amount to almost the same, so I suppose we'll see.
I doubt this theory. I think that the people currently in charge of the design of D&D are very much true believers in DEI. However, what you're suggesting might become truth anyways, if the sales of OneDnD end up being very poor.
What about the art in the new 8th Castles & Crusades PHB? It seems to me they replaced the beautiful warriors and knights with ✝emblems with rEpReSeNtAtIoN. Troll Lord Games has always been a great company supporting veterans and stuff, and I am afraid that might change if they start bending the knee.
I wasn't aware of that.
@@RPGPundit well I hope it's just me being hyper sensitive after so many other betrayals. But let me know your honest assessment when you can. The previous 7th pdf is free on their website and the current 10th is also free on drivethru via a link my friend got in email and it worked for both of us somehow.
Holy price point Batman! They really know how to look after the fans 😂 my group have had enough of WOTC and their petty politics so they won’t be getting any money from us. Btw…I saw that the weasels at Enworld just posted a hack job piece on Gary using the 50th Anniversary book (itself an abomination) as an excuse. Pathetic.
I'm morbidly curious as to what is in the new books, but not curious enough to pay money for them. I'm sure they'll hit the high seas soon enough and I can check them out for a laugh/cringe.
My preferred edition has always been B/X and I own every edition from Original to 5th. This is definitely where I hop off the ride. I was not the target audience beyond a couple of nostalgic callback art crumbs that don’t quite hit the mark. Liked the modularity of 5th after the crazy 4e system lock, but this 5.5 situation is a bloated beast. 4 Races, 4 Classes for my D&D and emergent stories, not railroads and certainly no VTTs.
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You just inspired me to purchase a used Kar - Tur boxed set!
Well, that's better than 5e. Though I'd suggest if you want oriental adventuring you should check out Sword & Caravan.
Okay I promised myself I wasn't going to watch another video about the latest D&D nonsense, but you put Meatball in. Now I have to watch this.Meatball Army!!!
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Talking about Official DnD is worth about as much as talking about Star Wars nowadays. They aren't even worth the oxygen or neural impulses required for the task. Much rather spend time and energy on something else.
Latinorx don't make you feel represented?
No. And the whole idea of representation is stupid.
Agree with the video but idk about the geeks being an anglo western thing. Us asians have a lot of us fucking nerds too
True, but manifests in different cultural forms. Though many have crossed over with western geek culture in happy interchange.
Not so ttrpgs, though, where other than in Japan they're barely played anywhere in Asia (not counting Australia or NZ).
BTW, Kyle Brinks is no longer at WotC. His Linkedin profile says that he left in May (he either quit or was laid off/fired).
Yes I know, I just now put out a video about it, and talking about the person who is his apparent replacement.
Takes me back to when I was a lot younger and in the group of friends there were a couple of black guys. Tried to get them to play D&D a couple of times but they weren’t interested ‘in that nerdy 💩.’
Rpg's are popular in Japan. Call of c. is really big there I've heard. ~Brian
Yes, but Japan is a weird exception.
Call of Cthulhu is huge in Korea as well, I ran for a group of Koreans. My Korean copy of Call of Cthulu was easier to get than D&D,. Unfortunately Covid killed my campaign.
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks.." ~ Shakespeare. "The more they virtue signal, the more they signal they have no actual virtue". ~ Me.
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The amount of concern Meatball has is about my level of concern for the new books. My group will keep to the books we already have, or switch to Tales of the Valiant or PF2E.
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Race is the progenitor of culture.
No, it really isn't. "African Americans" who travel back to Africa will not fit in with any of the incredibly varied African cultures.
Both are interconnected
F WotC
I won’t buy their crap anymore. I have enough stuff not to need the new PC 💩 they’re offering
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What is your favourite D&D edition(s) RPG Pundit, and why?
If we're talking an official edition, my favorite was the Rules Cyclopedia.
@@RPGPundit Interesting. A f*ck ton of errors in that book. Weird, given it was essentially a compilation. TSR had gotten sloppy/complacent by then, I suppose. That was the edition (BECMI) I played the most, although we, like almost everyone, made up our own house rules to fix rules that were broken, such as the Deflect ability in Weapon Mastery.
Not only is the "representation" in the new books unlikely to attract more black people to try out D&D, if anything it's likely to do the opposite. The biggest obstacle keeping black people away from TTRPGs is the attitude within *black* culture that shames and discourages people within that community for "acting white", a label that certainly includes TTRPGs (among other things such as academic achievement and getting along with corporate workplace culture). The new art we've seen for the upcoming PHB just replaces the classic heroic fantasy aesthetic with a weird fantasy version of hipster culture...which I'm sure doesn't make it look any less "white".
Very good point!
Olde enough to have played AD&D Oriental Adventures and D&D's The Emirates of Ylaruam. Neither was particularly western in nature and were a bit fantastical (hey, its D&D) but it was fun nonetheless to trade the olde TSR Tolken tropes for something new. Same with MAR Barkers Empire of the Petal Throne which was a mix of South Asian and Mesoamerican culture thrown in a blender with a lot of 70s and 80s weirdness. Good times. Seemed a bit more authentic then despite the inaccuracies. I guess its like punk, where you can tell the real thing from the fake, even if its not following the formula.
And still people are going to buy it...
Yes, the people it was made for: mostly white bourgeois leftists. That and OCD nerds who can't stop themselves.
Japanese play quite a lot of RPG too. They even have several D&D inspired anime
And here in french speaking Europe we have quite a bunch of local RPGs which you "must" check 😉
Yes, Japan is a singular exception in Asia though
Black gamers weren't waiting for white-run companies to draw pictures of us before we started playing RPGs. Nor did we think that giving orcs an intelligence penalty has anything to do with us; we recognize ourselves as humans. Ironically, the variant human rules of later editions were inching closer to racial classification. Give me rules- light OSR any day. I'll play a character that makes sense in-world, and play Sims if I need an avatar of myself.
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If it’s not TSR it’s not D&D. Play old school or not at all.
The OSR is the real D&D now.
I predict Baptism of Fire is going to increase the number of African Christians who are getting into Tabletop RPG's, but if you really want ti break into that demographic, do a Medieval Authentic based on Charlemagne... I'm not even joking.
Meatball is the star, Papa.
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You find diversity in the settings .
As a white person who is internally tortured daily for my accursed White Privelige, these POC-led adventures are so hecking valid! Makes me want to paint myself up and join my superiors! O, woe is me! #allyship
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When this stuff blows up in their face, it's just possible that the Mexican work version of the handbook will be worth as much as the God's demigods and heroes that has Cthulhu. I don't think this is going to age well.
Hmm, possibly, but I doubt it.
Eh, the D&D cartoon show is popular in Brazil. Probably more popular than it ever was in the US. And it had black woman representation.
Sure, but it wasn't popular because of that representation. It was just popular.
@@RPGPundit I'm not saying it is the reason for the popularity, just that it can be a way in for some people. I'm also thinking of other US shows that are popular in Brazil like Everybody Hates Chris.
I'm from Chile and I run a campaign with some college friends, all of us but one are ethnically white and it's precisely that one friend that plays sun elves in every campaign lol, not that it matters, but I find it funny when people talk representation in role playing games, I mean that's exactly the point you can be whatever you want, some cool drow or a dragonborn, specially if it's a high fantasy medieval setting, I don't know man WoTC it's pushing this woke agenda too much, I'd love to DM maybe another system but the thing is I would have to teach everyone else at my table.. so stuck with D&D
Why not play the OSR? It's all D&D-based. Anyone who is familiar with D&D, even just 5e, will be able to get used to it pretty quickly. Check out my own Lion & Dragon, or Baptism of Fire!
@@RPGPundit I will check them out maybe they'll suit my table
Other systems are fun to learn and easy to teach lol I've played 4 different systems with my rather inexperienced gaming groups. But 5E is fine and Hasbro doesn't own your enjoyment of it, people still play 2E D&D which was often a little more grounded in its depiction of fantasy especially before the diverse and Star Wars like Forgotten Realms became the norm.
While I sympathize with the sentiments, I tried to post a comment about how I disagree with certain aspects of the premise of this video and others. Unfortunately OP deleted every attempt I made to make the post so be aware that this part of RUclips is a rather loud echo chamber without much actual constructive or varied discourse.
I think it's also done in an attempt to humiliate the original fans. Fortunately, we are not called grognards for nothing. Water off a ducks back.
Why would they want that?
I know 3rd gets a fair bit of hate, but 3.5 was the last edition of D&D is personally give a shit about. It was barely D&D and it definitely no longer D&D
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Nah im going to do my own thing! 😂🎉😎🧙
I bet if you ran the new text through an analyzer it's like a 4th grade reading level .
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At first I considered buying it just to have it, but for 80? Pass. I might get it as a gift someday somehow, but that's the only way
Yeah, absolutely do not buy it. Buy Baptism of Fire instead, you'll actually find useful stuff there!
Glad it’s as bad as we thought it would be.
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My issue honestly isn't all the woke garbage, thats stuff I could ignore. The issue I think WotC has is that they aren't trying to get kids into D&D. $240 for 3 books is ridiculous. Its shows that they are pandering to a adult audience that are willing to spend that money on D&D. I dont buy from them because the prices are ridiculous and they are just kind of creatively empty. You release Stafinder with garbage ship mechanics that just want you to get in range of the enemy to fight them like normal.
Of course they aren't trying to get to kids, they're too busy with their Minecrafts Fortnites, Robloxes and Tiktoks.
@@Richforce1 adults have all that too. To me it seems they are targeting their own friend groups. It's all the same age range, political leanings. Look at all D&D RUclipsrs, 90% of them are all in the same age range.
Their core demographic are Millennials in their 30s.
RPG Elite addressed the issue about why there aren’t many blacks who play rpgs and, according to his research it has everything to do with literacy.
I doubt there is a single cause, and I think the most important is general culture.
the funny thing is that nobody cares about the art in dnd books, if you want art reference just google, its not like generic fantasy setting is just easy to look for, meanwhile games where the setting is more niche then the book having art is also a matter of helping creating a collective visual vocabulary of things to facilitate team play
I tend to disagree with that. The artwork gives the mood of the game. We see arts from Shadowdark and Mörk Borg, for example, and think: "that's gritty!". We see arts from the new D&D and think: "is that supposed to be what? San Francisco? Vila Madalena?"
@@diegoborges3716but thats really only for new players. A creative DM can easily change the style and mood of any system if their players can accept it. Most of the mood really comes from the individuals imagination and what words the DM uses.
My name is Joseph and I am a completist. haha. However, I have built enough strength not to buy the One DND. WOTC has sufficiently bothered me enough. We all see through their fake homages to the origins of D & D while they crap on us in so many more other ways.
Thanks RPG Pundit for helping me make my decision.. There are SOOO many other better RPG products..
Good! The first step was admitting you had a problem. But you don't need to go cold turkey; you can help take the edge off by buying Baptism of Fire and up to 150 other products of mine!
We can always play OSR games. Most of OSR creators are probably part of the woke crowd but at least they are not trying to push their crap down our throsts.
Only about a third or so of OSR creators are "part of the woke crowd". The rest are either based or don't show any political views.
@@RPGPundit that's good to know that. Stay based.
Good to know about the wokeness. Won't give them 1 penny
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This Dungeons and Dragons shit, is an American problem..
Because of the nature of tabletop game rules (made up, moreso taught than read about and learned) you're actually buying an art book.
It's bad art. I don't even know where to start with how ugly it is.
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😢 2:09 an then thier is people like me that end up buying them so i can do videos on them. 😢
+1
The pricing makes sense if wotc is going full digital. Cash out on the useful idiots on a paper run, make the slightly less useful idiots buy digital
What do you mean slightly less useful? the idiots buying digital get milked extra hard.
But what if they don't buy either?
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Correct, they are pushing towards a mostly digital model. The books are for collectors.
Find something real to talk about
The obsession millennial bourgeois leftist unmarried women have with inventing imaginary black demographics that they can go all Khaleesi over is a very real phenomenon, that's destroying our entire civilization.
This part of RUclips will complain about gaming becoming too political when they're the ones turning these internet hobby spaces into a maelstrom of politicized drama channels. Not once have a heard it brought up is that maybe the issue is more of an annoying aesthetic shift than a political/philosophical one. I personally think that long story short: the new art style just sucks and the influence of things like WOW and LoL are having a detrimental effect to realism in fantasy art.
That being said, the market for geek culture has also become more diverse. Catan is like the new Monopoly, rappers flex MTG cards, and female Tinder bios are filled with D&D under listed interests. Stores which sell 40K are also selling plushies and earrings. These are new developments. Money talks and marketing teams likely see a need to reflect the larger mass market in the same way they do for insurance ads. They see the success of League and WoW, and the relatively lighthearted fairy tale aesthetic of Critical Role's interpretation of D&D. They are corporate businessmen. I'll admit there's nuance here, but it's insane to deny that D&D has come an extraordinarily long way from Gary's basement- and a lot of that distance was covered just in this past decade.
However along with grifting for views these channels will also delete my comments when you try to have a discussion in the comments section instead of participating in their echo chamber. Happens over and over again. SAD!
What do you expect them to do just lay down and get fucked by the Communist infiltrators?
I'm considering buying 4E.
Why? Are you mentally ill?
@@RPGPundit harsh 😂
@@RPGPundit I think the shock of seeing new dnd made him consider buying 4e. By the way do you think that 5.5e will be worse than 4e?
I want to see how the combat system works, specifically the spammable martial powers.
No. Not mechanically at least
It will be more woke
I predict Baptism of Fire is going to increase the number of African Christians who are getting into Tabletop RPG's, but if you really want ti break into that demographic, do a Medieval Authentic based on Charlemagne... I'm not even joking.