The Truth About Autogynephilia - Michael Bailey | Maiden Mother Matriarch 7

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  • Опубликовано: 5 ноя 2024

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  • @nullavitasinemusica1
    @nullavitasinemusica1 Год назад +53

    I massively preferred the interview with Helen Joyce over this one.
    I cringed a bit when he mentioned that the homosexual transsexual is innate and already behaves like girls.
    Helen talked about male variation and how these boys actually just behave in "sissy" ways and prefer whatever the other sex is into
    But they're still very different from natal girls and don't really behave like girls

    • @umwha
      @umwha Год назад +4

      yeah

    • @rachelbassett4942
      @rachelbassett4942 Год назад +4

      Excellent point and I agree

    • @MisyeDiVre
      @MisyeDiVre Год назад

      Agreed. They behave like effeminate boys who might grow up to be homosexual men. To say that they behave like girls is only true in the most superficial sense.

    • @Terven2024
      @Terven2024 Год назад +1

      That’s right. You’re inclination is to compare an effeminate gay man to women but I’ve never met a woman who behaved like an effeminate gay man.

    • @Bibirallie
      @Bibirallie 10 месяцев назад

      Exactly. What does a behaving like girls mean? a girl who doesn’t like girly things is still a girl.

  • @CuriousCyclist
    @CuriousCyclist Год назад +10

    Huge respect to Prof Bailey for showing courage and intellectual honesty like a true critical thinking scientist.

  • @thel1355
    @thel1355 Год назад +127

    Never underestimate how far a man will go for his fetish.

    • @bkilg2509
      @bkilg2509 Год назад +10

      Yes. Also if it's hidden and there is shame and then complex emotions around it that's when it becomes problematic. It's why im cautious of demonising it.

    • @Terven2024
      @Terven2024 Год назад +8

      It’s all about the “peen feels” like one of my favorite RUclipsr says.

    • @jayjaydubful
      @jayjaydubful Год назад +1

      ​@@Terven2024 is she still banned or has she been allowed back?

    • @notalefty999
      @notalefty999 Год назад +9

      @@bkilg2509 We live in a society where this sexual fetish is normalised to the point of offering "gender transitions" as a solution to normal discomfort adolescent girls have with puberty. I think the discomfort of sexually deviant men really shouldn't be our chief concern at the moment. Rather, we should be elevating normal sexual behaviour as being the preferred behaviour, not celebrating the obviously dysfunctional. We aren't suffering from an excess of well adjusted, child rearing couples. Quite the opposite.

    • @andrea-mj9ce
      @andrea-mj9ce Год назад

      Why would a man remove his dick if he gynophile (attracted to women)?

  • @mazoomska
    @mazoomska Год назад +42

    Louise, you are doing such a great job with this channel - such interesting guests and thought-provoking and informative discussions. This was fascinating - thank you to you and to Prof Bailey for his courage to speak about this issue amid all the attempts to try silence and cancel him.

  • @lucydayLucida
    @lucydayLucida Год назад +23

    More premium content from this channel. Loving it so much. I read The Man Who Would be Queen many years ago. The controversy surrounding it at the time made it a little hard to find, but I knew it must be good if the rabid TA fringe were so hostile to it. It really clarified so much for me as an older woman trying to make sense of this issue in the 21st century. Great to see him continuing with his work and refusing to be cowed.

  • @annewrites...8385
    @annewrites...8385 Год назад +15

    Thank you, Michael Bailey for your courage and scholarship.

  • @vthompson947
    @vthompson947 Год назад +27

    And yet he still calls these men "she", even when talking about how they tried to destroy him.

    • @patrickdoherty4527
      @patrickdoherty4527 Год назад +12

      I think a lot of that just comes from seeing someone continually dressed as a woman and using a woman's name. Plenty of people call Caitlyn Jenner a woman or refer to him as "she" just because Caitlyn Jenner is almost like a character. It's almost like Dame Edna Everage. That's how I see it anyway.

    • @goshane23
      @goshane23 Год назад

      it's pure and well done respect for the transGender aspect - there is a line between sex and gender. but doing and living for a better life the other gender -with or without transition; with or without "choice" - doesn't forbid requesting to be called by the g e n d e r you prefer to be (identified) with. language is rooted in differentiation and is arbitrary. it is not the objective garantuee or last nail for being named in your genderdoing in analogy to one's substantial biological sex.
      and for the better: so there is no need or urge to exemplify and legitimate your lived gender by physical interventions...
      only the extreme quasireligious transactivism and their catholic/evangelical or whatsoever counterparts do believe in a substantialized character of language... but the gap will never close and never be closed between doing gender and having a binary coded genetical heir of one of the both sexes (sometimes genetic goes "wild")...
      more respect, less identification with the not only relevant core sex - that demands no big effort for the majority of heterosexual gendered human beings

    • @unnamed3932
      @unnamed3932 Год назад

      @@patrickdoherty4527 Apparently it is scientifically true that men are more visual and if they see breasts, a dress, wig, lipstick they see woman whereas women have been shown to clock female impersonators quicker than men--it's evolution--women need to be able to clock males.

    • @Jace7310
      @Jace7310 Год назад +3

      @@patrickdoherty4527 If all it takes is for a man to dress as a woman for you to see them as one you must be pretty confused yourself.

    • @tigermagda
      @tigermagda 9 месяцев назад +2

      ​@@goshane23we are wired for seeking patterns.

  • @stvbrsn
    @stvbrsn Год назад +22

    Regarding Jazz Jennings:
    “…numerous medical issues associated with transition…”
    Or, put another way… he is suffering *complications* from surgery *his mother* elected for him to undergo.
    And yes, I’m using the male pronouns on purpose to make my point.

    • @unnamed3932
      @unnamed3932 Год назад

      Good on you. We have to stop using their language--their pronouns--they are males, he/him, stop the continued gaslighting. Men are not women fullstop.

    • @jayjaydubful
      @jayjaydubful Год назад +6

      From medically unnecessary surgeries

    • @stvbrsn
      @stvbrsn Год назад +5

      @@jayjaydubful yes, that was implicit in my use of the word “elected.”

    • @gabrielmills2361
      @gabrielmills2361 Год назад

      And he is obese and miserable, apparently addicted to comfort-eating junk food. Next step on that path is type 2 diabetes.

    • @chloegrobler4275
      @chloegrobler4275 Месяц назад

      You are describing surgery, a typically traumatic event on the human body. no shit

  • @megankwisdom
    @megankwisdom Год назад +46

    "back when he was a man" yeah he's still a man... No amount of surgery hormones or fashion can turn a man into a woman. The idea that a man with a fetish can just declare himself to be a woman is insulting and offensive.

    • @alexpotts6520
      @alexpotts6520 Год назад

      Perhaps "back when he *identified* as a man" is language that both sides could agree on.
      Because agreement on language is important - if you never agree on language it will stop progress being made on the actual substantive issues at stake.

    • @rachelbassett4942
      @rachelbassett4942 Год назад +2

      100 % agree

    • @L_Martin
      @L_Martin Год назад +5

      I'm also so perplexed by the sloppy language Bailey used at times here, talking about "changing sex" - I really wish we would stop misusing the word. "A male who started presenting as a woman" would be accurate.

    • @unnamed3932
      @unnamed3932 Год назад

      Yes it is. Men can't 'identify' into womanhood. Women don't 'identify' as women--they are women. Just as LGBs don't 'identify as LGB--they are LGB--it is sex-based just as being a woman is sex-based. Historically women were not denied rights b/c they 'identified' as women but b/c they were women.

    • @gabrielmills2361
      @gabrielmills2361 Год назад +5

      But that doesn't mean some men can just hijack language for their own interests while casually erasing women as a sex class -- which is they're trying very hard to do.

  • @Anonymous-tm7rj
    @Anonymous-tm7rj Год назад +13

    I identify as Asexual and I know exactly what is going on and this Professor summed it up very precisely. Everything he said was true.

  • @tasha5927
    @tasha5927 Год назад +15

    MMM is quickly becoming my favourite podcast.

  • @hannan5781
    @hannan5781 Год назад +15

    In the Gender:A Wider Lense podcast, Paul Vasey said he saw no evidence of widespread autogynephilia in Samoa. If AGP is innate, wouldn’t you see it cross culturally? You don’t think something about western cultures is driving it at such a higher rate?
    I can imagine a theory that says there are autogynephiles in Samoa, but they have no way to publicly express it. If they were to try to present as female, everyone would just assume they are fa’afafine. So the point is destroyed. In western countries the spread of gender ideology has given cover for more males with autpgynephilia to transition and live out the fantasy.
    I would like to hear someone who knows a lot about this give their best theories. Is AGP more prevalent in western countries, and if so, why?

    • @patrickdoherty4527
      @patrickdoherty4527 Год назад +8

      I imagine there's research showing that eating disorders among young women are much higher in countries with high rates of internet usage (particularly social media). I guess it goes without saying. Surely the same could be true with autogynephilia.

    • @hannan5781
      @hannan5781 Год назад +8

      @@patrickdoherty4527 yes, it’s understood the mimetic nature of mental illnesses exacerbated by internet and social media. I definitely think that plays a part in the amount of males with AGP transitioning now. However, unlike anorexia, Bailey posits in this interview that AGP is innate in the same way that homosexuality is innate. I’m questioning how true that is. It seems more plausible to me that the likelihood of developing a paraphilia of some kind is innate, but the actual development is culturally dependent.

    • @umwha
      @umwha Год назад

      AGP is totally porn driven. Sissy porn, crossdressing as a form of humilaition and masochism.... If you look at how the AGPs themselves indulge in their fetish, they wear hyper feminine porny lingerie, pink school girl dresses, lolita dresses, big lips, big frills, high heels. All very culturally specific artefacts that exist within a culture that has already developed the image of the fetishised female - the Barbarella, the Marilyn Monroe, Elvira, strippers, etc.

    • @rachelbassett4942
      @rachelbassett4942 Год назад

      West encourages sociopaths to shine, creating a dangerous world for all of us

    • @jayjaydubful
      @jayjaydubful Год назад +2

      ​@@hannan5781 I don't buy that it's innate.

  • @frusia123
    @frusia123 Год назад +22

    Women might be vain and like to see themselves as beautiful and attractive (and so do men), but aren't sexually aroused by themselves.

    • @NoName-ym5zj
      @NoName-ym5zj 4 месяца назад

      how do you know that?

    • @birdbuns
      @birdbuns 4 месяца назад +3

      I'm a woman and never experienced arousal to myself

    • @cheyennepalisades9104
      @cheyennepalisades9104 2 месяца назад +1

      @@birdbuns That doesn't mean others haven't. Some have.

  • @TheMuncyWolverine
    @TheMuncyWolverine Год назад +3

    Until recently this subject was so underground it was only spoken of publicly on anonymous imageboards and the like. It does seem to be bubbling to the surface now though.

  • @ldevon2318
    @ldevon2318 Год назад +17

    I love this channel so much!! 👏🏻

  • @brianrobinson3236
    @brianrobinson3236 Год назад +4

    Fascinating discussion. I know Prof Mike's work but never come across your (Louise Perry's) vlogs before although your name is familiar to me somehow. I'm very minded to subscribe but first must get some sleep (it's 1:43 a.m. in UK and I'd not intended to stay up so late, but I was hooked by this). By the way, I'm retired NHS psychiatrist. Probably see you in the extended version which will also be enlightening. I know Dr James Cantor's work quite well also.

  • @roxee57
    @roxee57 Год назад +3

    Jenny graves, a world renowned Australian geneticist claims to have found male homosexual genes, she calls them male loving genes. She calls them that because because the women they’re related to have the same genes, mothers/sisters/aunts etc and in those women the genes correlate with them marrying younger and having more children. It’s an interesting finding.

  • @unnamed3932
    @unnamed3932 Год назад +13

    Some of these men want to appropriate womanhood itself including all of the rights and opportunities women have fought so long and so hard for. No man regardless of his paraphilias/fetishes, should take away scholarships or awards or places on boards or in sports or in many other situations that go beyond keeping them out of bathrooms, changing rooms, and women's prisons, etc. They are men and do not understand or know what it is to be a woman. Historically women were not denied rights b/c they 'identified' as women but b/c they were women. Men already have rights as men---they don't get to appropriate women's rights and opportunities as well. And they need to stay in their own sex-class and deal w/ their problems and not force them on women to deal with. Women are not supporting actors in their paraphilia/fetish play on the public stage--women are not their problem-solvers or accommodaters and women say NO.

    • @gabrielmills2361
      @gabrielmills2361 Год назад

      AGPs are narcissists. Blanchard says their misogyny comes from narcissism, rather than from systemic patriarchy. So for men to whom noone matters except thrmselves, why would they care about the threats they pose to a range of women's sex-based rights?
      It's all the trans allies, male and especially female, whose apparently unreflective support of ego-driven trans-identified males bothers me much more. This is where systemic patriarchy seems to be asserting its age-old misogyny.

    • @douglasmiyagawa
      @douglasmiyagawa 11 месяцев назад +2

      I was sexually abused and will save the details. It led up to crossdressing since it was imprinted early on. I'm trying to get rid of it though. It's not fair to say people appropriate it when my very abuser was a woman.

  • @jonahtwhale1779
    @jonahtwhale1779 Год назад +10

    This is being driven by some sections of society. Who pays for all the drag queen story hours, all the pride parades and pride flags. Seems academics who pontificate in these 'studies' fields never seem short of funds for their 'research! Who is funding it all and why?

    • @alexpotts6520
      @alexpotts6520 Год назад

      I can't really see any financial lobbying interests here - how could this advocacy be leveraged for profit? So the most obvious explanation is that whoever is funding this is doing so philanthropically, because they believe it is good for society.
      Sometimes people disagree with us in good faith.

    • @llengsuch3426
      @llengsuch3426 Год назад +3

      I believe there a multiple and varied motivations at play, and imagining some kind of nefarious puppet master controlling it all behind the scenes is pure delusion. Nevertheless, I recommend this RUclips video: Jennifer Bilek: Who Is Behind The TRANS AGENDA?

    • @rachelbassett4942
      @rachelbassett4942 Год назад

      Yep being pushed by a world collective to ensure world order

    • @jayjaydubful
      @jayjaydubful Год назад +2

      Look up Jennifer Bilek, she investigates this

    • @rachelbassett4942
      @rachelbassett4942 Год назад

      @@jayjaydubful agree completely just listened today and now sharing sharing sharing x

  • @matthewkopp2391
    @matthewkopp2391 Год назад +1

    I don‘t dismiss Blanchard‘s typology entirely but I think that thing shouldn’t be conflated. And here is why.
    There maybe a distinction between transference phenomena, self mirroring transference phenomena, and transference phenomena plus sexual reaction.
    Theoretically this differentiation might even be able to be made via a pupil dilation tests, mirror neuron tests (brain scans), and penile reaction tests.
    In other words if a subject exhibited no pupil dilation to their mirror image, pupil dilation as a cross dressed person, but no sexual reaction, you could differentiate between a sexual response from a mirror transference response.
    I also think this has to do what Heinz Kohut called self object creation.
    Many people have normal transference reactions. A question would be what is their mirrored self, does that create a pleasing transference or not.
    It’s possible that subjects are not getting a sexual response they are getting a self transference experience which gives them affirmative sense of self.
    We know transference is not the same as sex. It needs to be differentiated.
    And there maybe underlying co-morbidity for example Kate Bornstein has Borderline Personality Disorder. A self-transference may give a positive feedback loop of a previous dissociated personality, or early childhood fragment that satisfies disrupted mirror development.
    A lot more needs to be investigated to make this a robust theory.
    Otherwise there is the risk of pathologizing normal transference responses.
    The other issue is autogynephelia sounds suspiciously similar to the observations of Carl Jung. If this is the case they are identifying with their own anima. Although Jung’s work is more difficult to falsify, but a conversation with Jungians who understand this might be good to understand correlation of theories,
    Because Jung theorized that ALL men have anima, and if this is the case you may end up pathologizing all Men who exhibit any feminine behavior especially in later life. 7:16

  • @llengsuch3426
    @llengsuch3426 Год назад +20

    Fascinating stuff! I think the information about AGP needs to spread in the public consciousness in order to balance the weaponisation of the "just be kind" attitude towards women-only spaces vs men-wearing-woman-costume. I would not wish for the pendulum to swing from one extreme to the other, but I think it is currently "a jump to the Left" too far. Geddit? That's a Rocky Horror Show reference! 😝

    • @unnamed3932
      @unnamed3932 Год назад +5

      Their intrusiveness and appropriation goes well beyond women-only spaces and women say NO.

  • @searose6192
    @searose6192 Год назад +4

    *I disagree about Jazz Jennings.*
    I think it's clear as day that Jazz is the *'munchausen by proxy'* type (also known as someone who would have completely grown out of it and been a normal hetero man if not for their mother)
    *Jazz has recently been dating women* and discussing how unhappy they are with their body and according to their mother, Jazz has been refusing to continue with interventions to maintain their surgeries transition.

    • @geraldbrooks8507
      @geraldbrooks8507 Год назад +2

      transhaunsen by proxy is what I’ve heard it called. Another example is Kai Shappley.

    • @unnamed3932
      @unnamed3932 Год назад +2

      No, I think he may have grown up to be a normal gay man, but I do agree that mother may be a 'transhausen' by proxy parent.

  • @somersetjer
    @somersetjer Год назад +6

    Very interesting, but one or two of his comments seem remarkably stereotyping, e.g. suggesting that all gay men are more feminine than heterosexuals, and that liking musicals is a feminine, i.e. gay thing! Which makes me wonder how unbiased his research otherwise might be.

    • @alexpotts6520
      @alexpotts6520 Год назад +2

      I don't think either of them would suggest that *all* gay men are effeminate. But it's surely the case that the *average* gay man is more effeminate than the average straight man.

    • @eamonreidy9534
      @eamonreidy9534 Год назад

      ​​@@alexpotts6520 I haven't witnessed this and I suspect the media has done a lot to twist peoples preconceptions and confirmation biases

    • @gabrielmills2361
      @gabrielmills2361 Год назад +1

      "Effeminate" is a derogatory term based on the shamefulness of men actibg like women. A power relationship is implied.

  • @RAMBLINTRANSMAN
    @RAMBLINTRANSMAN 7 месяцев назад +2

    Wow. I remember reading the Man Who Would be Queen at the public library when I was 15 before I even knew I wanted to transition. I’m a female to “male” or living as closely to resembling a male as possible and this totally makes sense why there’s been an explosion in a different type of trans population the last few years. I’m the homosexual transsexual type but a lot of the non-binary trans folk I believe fit the autogynephillic or autoandrophillic category. Fascinating thank you Dr. Bailey for continuing this work despite the backlash from parts of my community.

    • @chloegrobler4275
      @chloegrobler4275 Месяц назад

      according to this framework it would be impossible for you to be auto anytthing, since you are jsut a confused woman or something.

  • @fidgetinbed1
    @fidgetinbed1 Год назад +29

    Fascinating! I would love to know what it is about men's sexuality that gives them more perversions than women.

    • @Primalxbeast
      @Primalxbeast Год назад

      Males throughout most of the animal kingdom are more promiscuous since they can mate with multiple partners and don't have the same investment into producing and raising the offspring.
      It's not surprising that their greater libido could lead to more interest in variation, especially combined with human intelligence, which can cause boredom with the same thing all the time.
      TL:DR They're really horny.

    • @oliviamaynard9372
      @oliviamaynard9372 Год назад +2

      That's not true. Women have just as many

    • @Tina06019
      @Tina06019 Год назад +14

      I believe it is because their sex drive is so much stronger than ours - ours depends on testosterone, too, we just have so much less of it.

    • @andie1508
      @andie1508 Год назад +1

      How do we know men have more than women?

    • @pvc25
      @pvc25 Год назад +2

      Interesting question Kate. As others have mentioned, I'm not sure we know for sure that paraphilias are more frequent in men. Certainly many women appear comfortable with a same sex encounter (for example). That said, men do appear to exhibit greater susceptibility to more extreme paraphilias - both in terms of "distance" from opposite-sex attraction and the "fervour" with which those attractions are held/expressed (maybe expression is the testosterone-drive issue). Seems tangentially related to the greater variance in men generally - the "same mean but wider distribution" phenomenon that sometimes crops up in discussion about other psychological traits.

  • @Teaandephemery
    @Teaandephemery Год назад +4

    As ever, I hope this podcast/channel grows and continually gains attention and subscribers.

  • @stvbrsn
    @stvbrsn Год назад +4

    Is he seriously wondering whether the English are familiar with the phrase “a piece of work?”
    It comes from Shakespeare, dude.

  • @MeaningSeekerPod
    @MeaningSeekerPod Год назад +6

    Comment. Brave content as ever. Well done.

    • @stvbrsn
      @stvbrsn Год назад +1

      I don’t believe it’s necessary to identify your comment as a comment. The fact that it appears in the comments section indicates that it’s a comment, without additional comment.
      Also the fact that it’s a comment indicates that it’s a comment, without additional comment.
      Lol

  • @autumnb7135
    @autumnb7135 2 месяца назад

    When he mentioned that there was evidence of an association between AGP & masochism bc of the crossover with ppl who practice auto asphyxiation that rang true. However, after reading some feminist books which describes AGP as a masochist fetish practiced by men who get a sexual thrill from identifying with the inferior/submissive/feminine human, I’m surprised this wasn’t mentioned by him. There’s plenty of written & visual evidence of this imo.

  • @chrislevant817
    @chrislevant817 2 месяца назад

    It was 1960.I was 5 years old, an only child and had just started school. I fell in love with a girl, pulled her into the boys toilets and gave her a kiss. The next thing I remember was being stripped, spanked, dressed in girls clothes, put on the school stage and all the other kids were brought in to laugh at me. Not knowing of any difference between the sexes other than clothes my 5 year old brain saw it as a real and permanent sex change. I blocked the incident out of my mind until I was 13. Then suddenly I realised that I was a woman. It both turned me on and filled me with rage and shame. For a long time I thought that this was the cause of my gender dysphoria but never meeting any other trans person who had been through a similar experience caused me to change my mind, especially when I found that I had Mild Androgen Insensitivity Syndrome in my 50s.
    Nature AND Nurture covered. Yippee! (Not) 18:00

  • @valerieurquhart3133
    @valerieurquhart3133 Год назад +1

    I tried to research the feminine counterpart to autogynephilia but the closest I could find was "penis envy." How is THAT for female fetish validation. I checked out autopenophilia but that means being in love with one's own penis. Anyone else see the trend?

  • @annatincher5281
    @annatincher5281 Год назад +2

    The "why homosexuality" question has always seemed a little misguided. The fact is that attraction doesnt matter very much for reproduction. In the majority of our species history, one would reproduce with who was available (maybe 2-3 fertile women around in a group of 70). The idea that one's body doesn't work with the opposite sex if you're what we call "gay" (persistent, predominate, same-sex attraction) is pretty silly. Mormons (and other strict religions) have same sex attracted people who are pressured into having reproductive sex regularly. If attraction has little to no impact on actual historical reproduction capacity, why is anyone bothered to ask "why gays"?

    • @bobsmith5441
      @bobsmith5441 Год назад

      For the vast majority it is though. Why gays is just asking why anomalies exist. Perfectly legitimate question.

  • @AmeliaBodilia
    @AmeliaBodilia Год назад +2

    I am curious as to whether there is such a thing as Autogynephilia and body dismorphia by proxy?

    • @jayjaydubful
      @jayjaydubful Год назад +2

      What would be an example of this?

    • @AmeliaBodilia
      @AmeliaBodilia Год назад +1

      @@jayjaydubful Perhaps a parent or guardian’s influence/ attentions on their child? Incest?

  • @SajberVanderlast
    @SajberVanderlast Год назад +11

    All of them haven't updated their stuff since the 90's. With the rise of the Internet and the porn industry on the phones of men, more homosexual men have autogynephilic personalities than these guys proposed. The error in their judgment is in themselves going after their confirmation bias about homosexual men.

    • @Ao456kl
      @Ao456kl Год назад +4

      Also now AGPs are coming out very young. The otherwise excellent series in Quilette, When Sons Become Daughters, glosses over this.

    • @Jonnie-Falafel
      @Jonnie-Falafel Год назад

      Spot on. There are "gay" hook up apps (sister sites and off shoots to swinging sites) where the autogynophiles predominate. Algorithms select the most popular/viewed images which are more often not images one associates with appeal to gay men (i.e. masculine) but are of men heavily made-up to resemble women with fake breasts and wigs. Either the level of interest in this has rocketed or been exposed to view by phone apps.
      Paraphilias proliferate in gay male networks to the extent that they fuel the development of porn genres and 'identities' begin to coalesce around them. I was told by a group of gay men quite earnestly that 'kink' should be included on the pride flag (or rainborg as I call it) and that those identifying as 'kink' were an oppressed minority.

    • @crossroads670
      @crossroads670 Год назад +2

      No homosexual men are autogynephilic. That is a phenomena in men who are heterosexual or bisexual.

    • @Jace7310
      @Jace7310 Год назад

      Blanchard's study states that 10% of autogynephiles are gay men.

  • @chloegrobler4275
    @chloegrobler4275 Месяц назад

    The obsession with sex is very clear here. This attempt to strongly link transneess to sexual fantasy or activity should be tellying since genuine haters will often resort to the same arguements. disgusting.

  • @JohnSmith-fp8il
    @JohnSmith-fp8il 7 месяцев назад

    It would've been nice to be told what proportion of trans have AGP and what proportion don't. Thats a pretty important point I would've thought.

  • @scarba
    @scarba Год назад +3

    I’m thinking Grayson Perry versus Eddie Izzard. Both have it but Eddie has turned dysmorphic.

    • @llengsuch3426
      @llengsuch3426 Год назад +7

      That's very charitable of you. Someone more cynical (like me) might suggest that Eddie is merely opportunistically jumping on the "Transgender" bandwagon after self-identifying as "Transvestite" for the previous 20 years. Imagine two arguments for Eddie being in the Ladies toilets: a) I'm a woman trapped in a man's body b) I get turned on by the thought of myself as a woman. Which one is going to garner the most sympathy?

    • @gabrielmills2361
      @gabrielmills2361 Год назад +2

      Eddie Izzard has always claimed "full clothing rights". I always enjoyed (& thought he enjoyed) bizarre combinations of eg men's suits with stiletto heel shoes; bright red lipstick plus beard. Now he's gone 100% to women's clothes it's just boring. Though still bizarre.

  • @MrLemonhead333
    @MrLemonhead333 6 месяцев назад

    Regarding the fafafine uncle study - how can a modern society be usefully studied for an evolutionary biology study…?? In no way are we currently under the evolutionary stressors (predators, warring tribes, etc.) of ancient times that would have selected for this trait, nor are we organized in the same social structures… so how can we even try and study the same trait and its effectiveness in that way? How did neither of you call out this simple fallacy of the study..?

  • @pfd000
    @pfd000 11 месяцев назад

    I think that male homosexuality and AGP do have an evolutionary advantage if you take into account group dynamics. Homosexuality is often found in social animals and it seems to ease the power struggle between alpha males and lets nesting females profit from a phenotypical male that can protect them but not compete with the alpha.

    • @tigermagda
      @tigermagda 9 месяцев назад

      I've read somewhere it happens when there's an imbalance between males and females. Too many males trigger epigenetics configurations that wire up their brains to be attracted to males and/or pose and behave like females. This happens in the early teen years, not in childhood.

  • @eswyatt
    @eswyatt Год назад +1

    I've thought a lot about this with respect to highly masculine gay men; i.e., gay men who flawlessly emulate stereotypically masculine traits. Can a biological male with same sex attraction be aroused at the prospect of creating the ideal object of his attraction in himself? Such as by highly investing in masculine endeavors----i.e., "bro culture"----to the point of maybe being obnoxiously male-centric? To be aroused or at least exhilarated by hearing others say "no way in hell you're gay!!" I even coined the term "autoandrophilla" following Bailey's paradigm.

    • @crossroads670
      @crossroads670 Год назад

      Yes. This is a lesser known phenomena.

    • @jayjaydubful
      @jayjaydubful Год назад +2

      But that is his own masculinity, his own maleness that is real, even if he enjoying emphasising it.
      Would you say the same applies to feminine lesbians?

    • @MisyeDiVre
      @MisyeDiVre Год назад +1

      I have never encountered that from feminine lesbians before, but I have heard on several occasions from lesbian and bi women that they find the experience of being desired by men whilst knowing that they are more attracted to another woman as being supremely gratifying to then. It's also a very common theme in lesbian erotica. I don't care about the erotica, but I must admit that it is unsettling to hear in person, especially since I have never ventured to ask for this information. People say weird things when they drink.

    • @kendir.880
      @kendir.880 11 месяцев назад +1

      Yes, I know a gay man who is turned on by his appearance as a man, and I personally know a woman who is aroused by dressing as a man, so the phenomenon occurs in atypical populations.

  • @miroirs-jumeaux
    @miroirs-jumeaux 2 месяца назад

    39:07 Dr. Drew and John McWhorter like musicals, too.

  • @ratonsito2836
    @ratonsito2836 Год назад

    Super interesting stuff.

  • @deborahm3622
    @deborahm3622 Год назад

    It would be useful to know how many autogynephiles suffer from gender dysphoria autogynephilia

  • @berenonehand
    @berenonehand Год назад +5

    I have a hard time believing that the causes of autogynephilia are "poorly understood". The idea that a sex researcher would investigate this group of men without asking them for their family history narrative is ridiculous. And the idea that there are no patterns to be observed in those histories is also hard to believe.
    Much more likely is that the causes were extremely difficult to confront and discuss, because it would have involved talking about the ways in which these men were abused and neglected by the people who raised them. I'm guessing that Blanchard et al decided that for the sake of maintaining an open rapport with the men they were researching, which was utterly essential to their work, they avoided any hint of curiosity about cause, or pretended that the causes were unfathomable, when in reality the patterns were plain to see to anyone unwilling to look away.
    It is very, very difficult for most people to engage in anything that might be construed as judging other people's parents in their presence, and similarly difficult to be the one hearing your parents being judged.
    So what are the causes. Well, it obviously starts with their relationship with their mother. Anyone who knows people can figure that much out. And it involves the way they identified with their mother, since AGP is about identity. AGP is a strong compulsion, so there were strong forces involved. Puberty is a strong force, but whatever else heterosexual AGPs share had to have been strong enough to interfere with the typical pubertal development of object of sexual desire. AGPs want to imagine themselves as women, so I would guess that they were
    1) Obsessed with/fawned upon by their mothers,
    2) Fairly strict gender role enforcement in the family;
    3) Narcissist mothers who placed great value on their female beauty and their sons knew it;
    4) Pre-internet, sons likely engaged in voyeurism of their mother's sex life, now more likely just early porn addiction;
    5) Probably no daughters/sisters in the picture for the son to emulate and the mother to shift focus to, leading to
    6) Mothers disappointed in their sons for not being beautiful girls and future beautiful women like themselves, and their sons knew it; and
    7) The mothers had some pedophilic tendencies, and allowed some measure of sexual tension to develop in the relationship with the growing boy, possibly going as far as sexual abuse.
    We can't know what Blanchard et al observed but didn't report on, but there is a source of informal qualitative data available: the parents of trans young people, the ones who think their kids are making a horrible mistake and whose relationship histories with their kids are fresh on their minds, and whom regularly engage in cathartic disclosure in online discussion groups. Many of their kids are AGP young men. The histories are there for the reading. Incomplete yes, lacking in self-awareness very much so, but occasionally very illuminating nonetheless. The narcissism and some of the mother-son dynamics come through clearly.
    Let the flaming commence!

  • @KH-aug
    @KH-aug Год назад +7

    How can he not have researched sissy porn, even a little? Other sexologists and detransitioners talk about both its increasing ubiquity and addictive power to pull boys and men into autogynephilia. Surprised.

    • @gabrielmills2361
      @gabrielmills2361 Год назад +2

      He did mention sissy porn: with "enforced feminisation" of men by attractive & dominant women, as being especially attractive to AGPs due to its sado-masochistic natiure.

    • @GabrielNicho
      @GabrielNicho Год назад

      I don't believe it at all. Just like I don't believe child porn causes people to be pedophiles. Pedophiles create and make child porn, and then watch it.

  • @Egg_Apron
    @Egg_Apron 5 месяцев назад

    Western culture doesn't have any kind of gender grey areas that are commonplace in non white cultures.
    If we had preserved those, we would have fewer people trying so hard to conform to harsh gender ideals and more fluidity.
    It would be easier to be trans if we had some built in gender fluid roles, but we don't.
    And people suffer.

  • @blindtrace7220
    @blindtrace7220 Год назад +1

    Nice cliff hanger. But I still can't afford to subscribe. Baby needs new shoes.

    • @blindtrace7220
      @blindtrace7220 Год назад

      @Julie Booooo. She's wonderful. She can probably bench more than me. And she's got babies to raise. Give her all your money. I would, but I've got three babies of my own.

  • @ZuShin
    @ZuShin Год назад +1

    Bailey refers to transexuals as the pronoun 'she' when they are males, and transexualism as a sexual orientation when he says its innate, the old born this way. Maybe he should focus a bit more on nuture and not only nature.

  • @ReasonsToComment-ic2cc
    @ReasonsToComment-ic2cc 6 месяцев назад +1

    Auto - Ed Gein - ephilia

  • @Historelic
    @Historelic Год назад

    Very interesting indeed! today I learnt some queer stuff.

  • @olphausmegaletor8835
    @olphausmegaletor8835 Год назад

    The Man Who Would Be Queen: The Science of Gender-Bending and Transsexualism - Is this Book going to be republished, the only copies available are going for $100 plus!

  • @ReasonsToComment-ic2cc
    @ReasonsToComment-ic2cc 6 месяцев назад +1

    i remember years ago finding out that most transvestite men were actually straight, it was a turn on for them. I remember a feminist who claimed that at the root of all gay drag queenery was misogyny.

  • @fatoumata7624
    @fatoumata7624 10 месяцев назад +1

    I sent an email to him !

  • @hybridmix4819
    @hybridmix4819 Год назад

    You're not going to read this. Someone might someday.
    What you are talking about. Autogynephellia and homosexuality ARE means of adaptation.
    Severe isolation, being molested as a child. Being torture.

  • @DaveThompsonfairlife4all
    @DaveThompsonfairlife4all 10 месяцев назад +2

    Autogynephilia is a "grim subject"? What is the matter with you? It's just human sexuality.

    • @tigermagda
      @tigermagda 9 месяцев назад +1

      Not when males colonize womanhood and kidnap women politically.

    • @onemanarmysswampparty
      @onemanarmysswampparty 7 месяцев назад +2

      Whatever helps you cope at night

  • @searose6192
    @searose6192 Год назад +2

    6:44 Sounds an awful lot like narcicism.

  • @sylviarogier1
    @sylviarogier1 4 месяца назад +1

    I think there might be a 3rd category: men who identify as women to win sports competitions.

    • @chloegrobler4275
      @chloegrobler4275 Месяц назад

      get a grip, that narrative is nonsense and a cope.

    • @sylviarogier1
      @sylviarogier1 Месяц назад

      @@chloegrobler4275 There do seem to be a large number of male athletes identifying as women and walking away with medals, trophies and prizes.

    • @chloegrobler4275
      @chloegrobler4275 Месяц назад

      @@sylviarogier1 And the assumption is that because they are trans they are intentionally trying to steal medals from cis atheletes? it doesnt ever get proved, only assumed. Prove the motive.
      Define "large". there are a handful of trans atheletes.

  • @gabbyb7347
    @gabbyb7347 6 месяцев назад +1

    Why don't we call AGPs "heterosexual transexuals" tho?

  • @good_boy_13
    @good_boy_13 Год назад +2

    He sounds like Norm Macdonald lol

  • @fourleggedlys
    @fourleggedlys Год назад +6

    Thanks for the interview. But it would've been fifteen minutes long if only the guest didn't have a severe brain freeze after every... single....... word................ ..... .........

    • @chilo8187
      @chilo8187 Год назад +1

      You can change the playback speed in the settings

  • @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf
    @waynemcauliffe-fv5yf 9 месяцев назад

    Sad buggers🤣

  • @chloegrobler4275
    @chloegrobler4275 Месяц назад

    This is utter nonsense.

  • @robinwatkins8528
    @robinwatkins8528 Год назад

    Were the women in his study trans men? Shouldn't the comparison have been made between autogyephilia and the idea of autoandophilia?

    • @hannan5781
      @hannan5781 Год назад +2

      No, because in order to debunk the two-type theory, trans activists claim that females have autogynephilia, and therefore trans women who are autogynephilic are just like natal females. Look up Serano’s paper. So the new study debunks the idea that natal women are autogynephilic like autogynephilic men.
      Autoandrophilia is a separate issue and so rare as to be harder to compare to autogynephilia, and many suspect the motivations are different anyway.

  • @bobsmith5441
    @bobsmith5441 Год назад

    Very interesting topic. Surprised at what a mediocre speaker Bailey is esp for an academic.

    • @davidhughes8795
      @davidhughes8795 10 месяцев назад +3

      You're surprised that a scientific researcher isn't necessarily a great public speaker? That's funny.

  • @krileayn
    @krileayn Год назад +2

    Too much talking, just bring back flogging and the problem is solved.

  • @cw4091
    @cw4091 Год назад +1

    "Physically petite." "Petiteness isn't part of the syndrome." NEITHER OF THESE TWO PEOPLE SOUNDS SANE. This woman literally thinks that short or small stature is a "tell" for homosexuality. Good Lord. Also, being gay is not a "syndrome." It's a "perversion." Also, there are no gay women....only women who have been hurt by men and just give up. Nobody (and I mean NOBODY) is "born gay." There are people who let their minds wander to a particular perversion. That's it.

    • @Lincorn1
      @Lincorn1 Год назад

      I sort of agree yes, people Just do their intrusive thoughts/obsessions.

    • @bobsmith5441
      @bobsmith5441 Год назад +7

      That's absolutely ridiculous. What are you talking about

    • @cw4091
      @cw4091 Год назад +1

      I am going to assume you are addressing your question to me,@@bobsmith5441​. There is NO EVIDENCE that homosexual tendencies are innate. Zero.

    • @bobsmith5441
      @bobsmith5441 Год назад +1

      ​@cw4091 They were referring to MtF homosexual transexuals that often fit a more feminine physicality.
      I understood when she said petite to mean more slender body frame rather than short

    • @bobsmith5441
      @bobsmith5441 Год назад +3

      ​@@cw4091Why say lesbian doesn't exit. That's a very strange opinion.