Snow Blower Battle | Toro Power Max 828 OAE vs Ariens Platinum 28 SHO
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☕ I know a little bit about snow removal too and I'd like to make a suggestion if I may...
Try the Toro Snowmaster 824 QXE...You'll be surprised how quick and efficient this blower is... I must warn you though. Using the Snowmaster, there's a good chance both of your 2 stage blowers could just become a backup.
-OldLenn ☕
I believe you about “clearing” snow, but I don’t see it “moving” more snow. Debatable, I know. I haven’t used a paddle two stage before. I appreciate the input though!! I’ll even pin your comment!
@@g4outdoors Cool. Pin button, I have to remember to use that too. I only start actively uploading videos here on youtube just a year ago. Still learning from guys like you.
...The Snowmaster 824 being only a single stage and with only a 24 inch housing actually moves more snow than both the two-stage blowers in this video... Even the Ariens Platinum 28 with its wider swath and its super high output impeller (SHO) still doesn't come close.
Check out the SnowMaster. Once you got the feel of its Personal Pace System, you might like it and set aside the two stage as your backup (how often do we really get 2 feet of snow in single event?).
@@OldLenn Kansas City area? Never lol. That’s probably why my other Toro has lasted 12 years and still starts first pull every time 🤣
@@g4outdoors 🤣 🍺
@@OldLenn It depends on where your live and the conditions. I own both a two stage honda and a single stage honda. I can tell you, a single stage is useless where I live. Snow is typically far too deep and heavy. Also, clearing a path on my grass with the single stage tears the shit out of the lawn. Whereas, the two stage has a hydraulic bucket and I can tilt it up so it isn't scraping the grass. And good luck going uphill in deep snow with a slippery base with the single stage. Single stage snowblowers certainly have their advantages in certain conditions, they're just no good for me.
Just bought my new Toro 828 last week from home depot.. Haven't tried it yet but hopefully soon.. Engine run smooth.. I installed heated grips which seems to get hot.. Hope it will blow good. Thanks for video
That's the Ariens RapidTrak. It has 3 settings, Wheel mode, track, and dig-in. Just put it in wheel mode and it'll turn just as easy hits the Toro. Track mode is only needed for some serious snow.
I do fully understand how the Ariens Rapid Trak works. I utilize each mode as needed. It is a simple pull of a trigger and a little tilt to get to each mode. Nonetheless, I personally still find it easier to manage the Toro in turns. They are both great machines and I have zero reason or obligation to to make either of these look better than the other. They are both sponsored machines. I fully believe if we had “significant” snow accumulations in our area, it would have turned better. Being we were dealing with a couple of inches, I still feel the tracks were too aggressive for the situations. Like I said in the video, after 40 (residential) properties in a day, a person can can come to a clear opinion on each blower. ,,,,,,,,, Give me nothing but long sidewalks or driveways? My opinion might have been different. I do however appreciate your comment!
@@g4outdoorsI'm just coming from my experience using Ariens machines with both wheels and RapidTrak and auto-turn on both. I find them equally nimble with the RapidTrak in wheel mode. Having the option to go into track mode just gives you more versatility. Either way I agree you can't go wrong with either machine. Cool video 👍
@@g4outdoors That makes sense I guess, as when I try them out in the store there is somewhat more drag in the track system even in "wheel" mode. A pneumatic tire will have less rolling resistance in most all situations. Where the Rapid Track will really shine is in snowplow piles and other hard, packed snow. If you don't deal with that much, and it appears that you don't, there isn't much reason to get the tracks. You are using it in tracked mode in almost the entire video, which is adding unnecessary effort.
I don't have a very big driveway but thanks to being in a cul-du-sac I usually see plenty of 3-4' tall plow piles, sometimes as high as 5'. That's why I'm considering tracks to replace my 20 year old Ariens, which still works like new but has always been a bit undersized for my use.
@@plmn93 Living in a cul-du-sac is the worst for snow lol. Everything you said makes sense and I probably should have been in wheel mode the whole time.
The Toro weighs 50 pounds less, wont deal with heavier snow being lighter as easy, and just run the rapidtrak in wheel mode. On snow the rapidtrak turns much easier than on showroom floors in wheel mode
Great demo! I own the same ariens you have and love it. Living in Alaska and On a hilly driveway the tracks were a massive improvement for me. The traction diff vs my Old wheeled snowblower Is Night and day. I used to have to make only downhill passes when it was 6 inches or more snow with my Wheeled snowblower. My ariens in track Mode can do full buckets up to 12 inches up Hill! Anymore then that i need to take half buckets. But still it saves me Almost an hour in time depending on how much snow we got ( 10 car Somewhat steep driveway )
I do agree with you on the ariens even when in wheeled Mode being harder to turnaround on passes then a wheeled snowblower. Not a lot harder but it is noticeable. If I was doing this as a business that would be a consideration for sure when you're working anywhere from 6-14 hours. That extra fatigue would get to you No doubt.
Luckily depending what you need theres a snowblower out there for all of us. But There is No perfect snowblower no matter what anyone claims.
I have the Toro Power Max HD 1232 and it has the trigger steering. My property has got some really uneven places to snow blow. With the trigger steering the axles stay locked regardless of the terrain. Last March we got 9 inches of really heavy wet snow, and the Toro was still able to blow that slop over 50 feet. In powdered snow the distance is closer to 60 feet. Ariens makes a great snow blower, but because they don't offer trigger steering, I opted to go with a Toro because of my very uneven property. The quick stick was also another reason to go with the Toro. When I was blowing that extremely wet snow in back March for over an hour, not one time did it even hit of clogging. The Toro anti clog system works as advertised. Two adjustments I made to make the machine perform better. First adjustment was to slow down first gear to a crawl for deep or harden crusty snow piles. Second was to remove the overly strong tension spring on the drive lever. After some time blowing snow, my left hand would become fatigued. This is simple to do, just remove the spring out of the grove on the drive lever handle. The bottom spring is all that is needed to retract the lever when released. Many complain about the strong tension on the drive lever. Will Toro remedy this problem in there 2023 models? They should. Overall, I am very pleased with the performance of my Toro Power Max HD snow blower. These HD snow blowers can handle anything Mother Nature throws at us. Thanks for sharing your views on the Ariens Rapid Track and Toro Power Max HD snow blower. Enjoyed watching.
I had a Toro about ten years ago and didn't like the joystick control and mine had a lot of plastic. I now have a Ariens and would never go back.
Ariens makes awesome equipment!
That's some good snow there! Both killer machines if I had a choice though I'd go for the Toro. It performs pretty darn good for a smaller cost then the ariens
This isn’t an apples to apples comparison. A Rapid Track machine is expensive. The toro should have been compared to a Deluxe 28. Even that would have eaten the toro for dinner
THE REASON THE ARIENS IS HARDER TO TURN...
Is because you're supposed to lift up the small back wheel so just the big wheel is working Then it's easy to turn.. obviously an extra step every time you have to turn but it is much easier when that little back wheel is up inside the track.
The whole point of a track system is to try to get through big heavy snow with lots of grip.. So if you're doing quick jobs and small driveways in commercial use the Toro would be much better..
That 828 can get through anything though.
I do feel the track system any track system is overrated just in demand because that's what people wanted so they gave it to them.
The Ariens tracked probably much better say if you live in New Hampshire or places where they get tons of snow and you have to go long distance in deep snow in one direction.
I'm looking at the Rapid Track just to get through the snowplow pile at the end of the driveway. Wheeled machines really struggle with that, they want to ride up. There's no reason to put the tracks down at all unless you need to power through deep snow.
Hi what better ariens 24 classic or toro power max 24 , 26 "'
Snow is my nemesis. I definitely need one of those.
Looks like they both have their advantages and disadvantages, but I think I like the Toro better. Good video Randy.
Good choice Sam!! I'm sure if we were in a heavier snow pattern here, this particular matchup might have been a different story.
I live in the country so I can blow my snow just about any direction I want so I don't have to blow it toward the house. But I can see there must be alot of fuss between neighbors in town that live on top of each other and end up blowing snow on other peoples property of even worse, on each others driveway?!! It must happen. "Snowblower Wars" sounds like a good idea for a reality show!!!
The Ariens seem to throw it further But it look like it was mostly because you never had your shoot shooting straight up It was always more of an angle. He had the Ariens always pointing straight up..
It would have been cool to see what the tour would have did if it was straight up too..
I guess the scientific people say the The Ariens throws more snow, but the Toro throws it further. But this video did not show that.
Not that it really matters but it would be interesting if you put them side by side with the shoots straight up in the air walking beside each other..
Turnarounds seem much slower on the Ariens
UNFORTUNATELY FOR YOU THAT'S NOT ENOUGH SNOW TO PROVE ANYTHING OR SHOW ANYTHING.
But you can't make it snow more.
There's no reason whatsoever to be using a two-stage snowblower If you have under 6 in. WHEN YOU'RE BLOWING SNOW AT HOME!! That could be done with any single stage snowblower In some cases a push shovel like man plow.
I understand it's easier when you doing properties have something that pulls you along. But we're talking about a demonstration of what they both can do.
I think I could probably push just as fast as you did with the man plow shovel in that two or three inches of snow. Probably even faster. Long as I have some spikes on my feet I would be good.
For the amount you had there ( obviously for home use ) I would much rather have a single stage battery powered snowblower like from Toro. Like a 21-in It would do it faster.
Use the big machines for the big stuff and the little machines for the little stuff.
I guess we check back when you have an actual REAL SNOW STORM THAT NATURE GIVES YOU OF OVER 8 IN HOPEFULLY 10 OR 12 FOR THE REAL TEST.
I feel bad though cuz it looks kind of funny using those big snow blowers for 3 in of snow I can't stop laughing. 🤣
But good video.
Hell will freeze over before we get over 8” lol. We use these commercially, so shoveling that many properties just isn’t feasible. You have all valid points though.
@@g4outdoors Love the video, Great comparison,
Very interesting how you like the Toro better.. everybody talks about those tracks for both companies.
Maybe it works better in certain situations but it's harder to maneuver like you said..
I'm a bigger fan of Toro because they are always innovating making new products trying to improve theirs. I love that they have no sheer pins, hardened case, The anti-clogging system is fantastic, in the quick stick is like you said the best.
They've always been like that. It seems like they understand what matters and what doesn't, and they save money for themselves and for the consumers.
That she started with being ahead of the game back in 1952 to be the first company to offer the stand behind snowblower.
Ariens came out in 1952 also but it wasn't attachment to one of their vehicles. So they focused on commercial stuff.
Toro new that they can make tons of money selling snow blowers to consumers for home use.
Don't get me wrong Ariens is fantastic. But comparing apples to apples would be the cheaper than you have deluxe 28 versus the powermax 828 the one that you have. With the Ariens deluxe those consumer products they stick with the old shoot mechanisms where you have to crank something bending over.. You know like that bending over point that mechanics always are in fixing a car. The worst spot for your back. That's where the quick stick is untouchable..
Ariens does seem to use a little bit thicker metal, bigger bolts and nuts. Which in no way means their machine is better or even last longer. Just makes it heavier and harder to move.
You know kind of like a car they have real thin metal All over the main part of the car You could push it in and dent it. But it lasts a long long time cuz it's painted correctly and all that stuff..
Again like I said Toro seems to know what matters and know what doesn't.
Yeah I live In the suburbs of Boston. We get 48 in a year here. But it's been less and less over the past 10 years. Maybe global warming? And it seems like other states like where you guys are and warmer states are getting random snow now. It's all messed up 🤣
I have the Aarons 24 inch 12.5 engine the best snowblower I’ve ever seen. I love the Aarons more because it’s built better than the Toro.
The right machine for that type of snow is a single stage commercial Toro 821 or 721. Easy on and off the truck, will clear snow as fast as you can walk and pretty much gets it down to the drive surface with very little shovel work. After six to eight inches, then bring these things in, the right tool for the right job. Customers are waiting! Home owner perhaps a different story. I know your just showing us the new machine. Thanks
Kansas? Is this a joke? One time 46yrs ago we got 6" of snow! For the TINY amounts of snow you guys are dealing with you should be using a much smaller single stage (unless on gravel)... you must know this?
You do know Kansas City isn’t in Kansas right?
@@topdog9000 - I must have missed the "city" part, lol, thanks for the correction! So what state was he in? I don't want to rewatch the whole video.
Actually it looks like it IS in Kansas and Missouri, lol either way quite a bit south of me which is close to Madison, WI. I remember watching thinking that is almost no snow... and they have 2 blowers? WTH?
TORO MAKES THE BEST SNOW BLOWERS
Toro got rated the best performing snowblower when consumer reports and other professional companies did tests.
They're just so ingenious and understand what matters and what doesn't.
For instance Toro's no shear pins and a hardened gearbox is awesome!! And it works I've encountered it myself. Smacked right into a car rim under the snow I didn't know was there at my house. The machine stopped immediately no stress on the system. Started it right back up and on my way.
Anti-clogging system is amazing. It makes the snow lighter by recirculating some of it back in front of the auger. It makes it easier to throw, you can throw more snow, puts less stress on the system, the belts and the gearbox. Not to mention because it keeps recirculating the snow making it lighter and fluffier It allows you to go through thicker, deeper, wet snow easier..
Someone said and was incorrect saying Ariens throws more snow in Toro throws it further. If you look at the specifications Ariens throws 65 tons per hour, the Toro throws 2,200 lb per minute which comes out to about 66 tons per hour. Not only does Toro throw it further it throws more!!
And one more thing Ariens always talks about how it has thicker metal and that's what everyone says better made blah blah blah This is also not true.
Toro has discussed many times why they use plastic in certain places.. they claim plastic last longer, does it rust, it's more slippery so snow doesn't stick to it, in some cases plastic can be even stronger..
Same thing with the metal they use on the housing.. Yes Ariens is thicker But according to what I read Toro uses a special type of metal that is a lot stronger per its size. So in other words you can get the same strength with thinner metal if you use a certain type of metal and a process... It saves them money, you money and does not change the longevity of their products.. Not to mention lighter and easier to maneuver.
Oh and did I mention THE QUICK STICK!! SOME PEOPLE JUST BY TORO IS JUST FOR THAT NOBODY ELSE IS EVEN COMES CLOSE WHEN IN TERMS OF CONTROL OF THE SNOW EVEN ARIENS IS MOST EXPENSIVE MODEL THAT IS COMPLETELY ELECTRONIC!! The quick stick is amazingly ingenious also!!
Toro just seems to know what matters and know what doesn't..
A lot of old school guys favor Ariens That's just how they are no matter what.
OH ALSO DID I MENTION. IN 1951 TORO WAS THE FIRST COMPANY IN HISTORY TO MAKE THE FIRST STAND BEHIND SNOWBLOWER FOR THE CONSUMER!!
;)
Consumer Reports blows sawdust instead of snow and rates the gimmick Cub Cadet 3X blowers highly, so take that as you will.
Toro spent many years telling us how great their plastic was, yet today their two stage housings and chutes are all steel, and you can see in the video the broken plastic handle. I doubt a metal handle would have snapped like that. I would also take a vague claim of thinner yet somehow superior steel with a grain of salt until they can articulate what is actually different.
Toro uses Loncin engines, which is an entirely Chinese company, where as Ariens uses LCT, an American company who builds engines in China. Perhaps that distinction doesn't matter to some people, but it does to me.
Toro does not have anything comparable to Rapid Track. Toro's only tracked machine is a commercial one using a slow old fashioned track system that has had a lot of issues.
You can't get a good quality two stage blower from Toro in anything less than 28". With Ariens you can get 24" models all the way up to commercial grade. A lot of people prefer 24" blowers because they are easier to handle, especially in tight areas, and easier to store while offering a better power-to-bucket ratio. The 24" and 26" Toros have puny 11" augers and are strictly light duty.
The Quick Stick works well, though not as well as it used to thanks to the heavier steel chutes they now use. In my experience they aren't all that reliable...prone to icing up and other cable and gear issues.
The main risk with not having shear pins is not necessarily the gearbox, it's the damage that can happen to the auger and housing if you hit something solid, like a rock or piece of steel. I've only broken three shear pins in twenty years, so it's not really a concern in my use.
Toro makes more changes year to year on their blowers, which may lead to parts availability issues in the future. Ariens is well known for excellent parts availability for decades and this is because they also know what works so they don't mess with it very often.
Don't get me wrong, Toro makes good machines that are well designed and I would definitely recommend considering them along with Ariens, I just think a reality check was needed after this post because they are not the be-all-end-all. Every machine has pros and cons. I used to recommend Simplicity Signature Pro as well but not anymore now that they have gone to electric chute controls, and Hondas are simply too expensive for the performance you get and they also have went to electric controls. I also don't recommend Ariens models with EFI and electric controls, the minor gains in convenience and performance aren't worth the potential headaches.