I Changed my Mind About Ozone CPAP Cleaners: SoClean 2, VirtuClean...etc.
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I worked at a winery for 10+ years. We used ozone to sanitize barrels. PVC hoses used to transport ozonated water into the barrels had frequent leaks. We switched to silicone hoses because they were advertised as having better ozone resistance. The silicone hoses lasted much longer. Ozone (O3) is a strong oxidizer.
I’m so glad I don’t drink. 😂
I'm going to start. Need me some OZONE!!!
@@Freecpapadvice ozone doesn't linger for long in empty wine barrels. It fairly quickly uses itself up oxidizing germs and other stuff. So you won't get any from drinking wine.
Been using So Clean for over 2 years. My masks last a year. My machine has had no issues.
I want to tell people how important it is to wear your CPAP. I wore it but I wore it and then didn't wear it then wore it and pull it off at night and I found out that I have pulmonary hypertension which can be caused by having sleep apnea. So please wear your CPAP so you're not having those times of obstructive sleep apnea or just apnea.
The strawberry plants definitely added to my enjoyment, thanks for being so considerate :)
Strawberry plants add a sense of......calm. They are natures massage chair. Pretty sure I saw that on NatGeo.
@@Freecpapadvice lol!
@@Freecpapadvice Fo' real.
I used to get sinus infections on the regular. Since using So Clean over 2 years ago I have had no sinus infections.
Spot on. This guy is an amateur “scientist” that has an opinion, not facts.
This did not age well.
@@scowell Care to explain why please?
@@zaphot6056 Ozone destroys parts of your cpap machine... it's very bad for you too. “The FDA has identified several manufacturers that are marketing ozone gas or UV light-based products claiming to clean, disinfect or sanitize CPAP devices and accessories in the home,” said William H. Maisel, M.D., M.P.H, director of the Office of Product Evaluation and Quality in the FDA’s Center for Devices and Radiological Health. “Exposure to high levels of ozone gas may worsen a patients’ existing chronic respiratory diseases or increase the chance of a respiratory infection. UV light-based products could cause burns, eye damage or increase the risk of skin cancer due to over exposure. The FDA has contacted manufacturers of products making these claims and asked them to submit data demonstrating their safety and effectiveness.”
The FDA has received 11 reports from 2017-2019 from patients experiencing cough, difficult breathing, nasal irritation, headaches, asthma attacks and other breathing complaints when ozone gas-based products were used to clean, sanitize or disinfect CPAP devices and accessories. The FDA has not received any adverse event reports for UV light products claiming to clean, disinfect or sanitize CPAP devices and accessories.
@@zaphot6056 Uh, watch the video?
i use a ozone product for my cpap and have no problem with it. I actually have had less respiratory infections since using it. Now the key is to thoroughly cleaning mask tubing and all attachments prior to ozone sanitation. I also clean the machine with a cpap cleaning wipe then begin the process of ozone sanitation. Following full instructions at all times.
Thank you. I just received a new CPAP machine today (Philips bad foam) and I was using the SoClean and there was a lot of yellowing inside the machine but not on my mask. My “dealer” told me not to use the SoClean. You made me appreciate the decision to toss it. I didn’t think that it could damage the machine itself.
As a P10 user for years now. I am SO glad you did this test. THANK YOU!. I was on the fence of buying a So Clean!
Yes. Also mention that getting the oil off of the mask makes a better seal. I told pts when it is clean it sticks to the skin and makes a better seal. When it gets the facial oils on there and feels slick and it leaks. Don't know if the discoloration effects anything - probably makes it brittle but not known.
It takes some time for the Ozone to damage the hose. And it depends on the concentration of the ozone. The more UV light that is exposed to the air the higher the ozone levels will be. Normally when generating Ozone, a metal shield is fitted over the long UV light and can be slide over the light or pulled off the light by a certain amount. This makes the amount of UV light exposed to the air change. I worked for the EPA and ran the Ozone monitor. I watched the Indiana State Board of Health Air Pollution Control Air Monitoring Section guys come to town from INDY to calibrate the ozone machine. They had different settings on the light shield inside their Ozone calibration devise that they used to generate various ozone levels from 0 to 0.5 PPM Ozone and then check the Ozone monitor's response. Our ozone monitor had a zero knob and a high point know that was calibrated and could be changed to read the correct ozone reading while ozone at various concentration was fed into the machine. The slope was set, and the Beckman Ozone monitor was then calibrated.
Now I'm thinking that these ozone cleaning devices use UV light inside them to break the O2 molecules in the air into O3 and O. Both are highly reactive which is how they kill bacteria and fungal spore in the tubing and mask. The slower the air flow in the cleaning device the higher the exposure to UV light will be and the higher the ozone concentrations will be.
So glad You did this experiment 😎👍🏼 I have a SoClean I stopped using when my CPAP machine brand found to have seal leak due to Ozone. I looked at Medicare and DME. After 13 months rental, I own it. So I threw it away. The DME provider told me I couldn’t throw it away and ask for a new one. They had no replacements & waiting for info from CPAP machine manufacturers. I told Him, I own it, the Seals may be degraded and I want a new one. I worked up to talk to the owner. I asked if they had new CPAP machines for sale in their store. He said Yes. I said I want one. They finally relented. Your video affirms my decision to dump my SoClean.TY
I use one part of vinegar and three part of water once a week to clean mask and tubing. Hand soap for head ban and foam. No issues in the in the last six years of doing this.
How long does it take your tubing to dry. I use the same as you do on the tubing. I hang it up and it takes it several days to dry.
I think you need to do the ozone test without butter and conductive paste inside. Anything inside the box will out gas and contribute to that discoloration you see. It’s possible the material would have discolored anyways but I think the two substances you added to the box may have contributed significantly to the discoloration.
Nah. Ozone will discolor most plastics. Quickly.
I started getting horrible sinus and bronchial infections after starting on a CPAP. I did not put 2 and 2 together to understand it was my CPAP causing them. This went on for a couple of years until I bought a SoClean. I have never had another bad infection since. Yes it yellows the silicone, so what. I had my Resmed S9 for over 7 years, 5 of which I had used a SoClean and it was still going strong. I just recently upgraded to the S10 because I was afraid to risk being without my CPAP. The home medical was surprised my S9 was still going good and had not given a end of life message. I wear min CPAP religiously so it gets a lot of use. One thing I discovered was to not allow the rubber end of the hose to be inside the SoClean. It will cause the rubber to get weak and not fit tight on the short hose to my FX Nasal mask. Once I started to only put the mask with as little hose as possible in the tank, I don't have any trouble. I understand that Ozone is dangerous but there is a two hour "dissipation" period and I make a point to take mine out as soon as I can to give it even more time to breath. I also run my machine for 10-15 seconds before I put it on to help flush any possible residual gases. For me the sanitation factor is worth any possible CPAP life expectancy degradation. I just know I went from at least 2 horrible infections a year down to zero.
Me too all of us should get together and sue so clean I had many horrific sinus infections and had to figure out on my own because my doctor didn’t understand what was going on!
@@titlewave399you missed his point entirely
I'm sticking with mask bright and Dove cleaning my CPAP equipment.
Me too!!!
Me also!
Yeah buddy!
How often do you do this? I’m a new user. The medical supply company suggested once per week. I just don’t know about that, even if it is a hassle! My biggest issue is that it takes forever to dry after washing and I can’t imagine that it’s good to breathe in that condensation from cleaning. Any tricks on drying?
I use Ozon Cleaner every day for now 3 years and once week I clean it with dishsoap and vinegar and my Dreamwear equipment never turned yellow. So for me it has something to do with the kind of plastic is used and plastic whitch turns yellow are normaly lower quality.
Thats is technically what you are supposed to do. But people get one of these cleaners and dont think they nees to clean their supplies with soap anymore.
In the cleaning industry ozone machines are used for several purposes.
Sanitization and deodorization.
If your house gets "skunked" professional cleaning crews will use an ozone machine (while you sleep in a hotel) to get rid of the stink.
Ozone machines are not meant for regular use it will deteriorate any plastics. You will be told to remove certain items from your home prior to using an ozone machine. Ozone machines will deteriorate any plastics, badly.
Used cars can be deodorized with an ozone machine. Dealers will use one to make a car no longer stink, some used cars are just nasty. Once again, only use ozone machine to deal with an issue, not for regular use. Cars are deodorized within an hour or two, overnight use will destroy the plastics on the dash and ruin the car.
😆 I can’t..”A hole for me to stick my tube” Bow chick a bow wow ♥️ I came here to learn about my dumb CPAP and you made me laugh. Thanks 😊 I needed that
The moisture from your breath and from the humidifier lead to mold and bacteria growth. Ozone is very effective at killing these microbes. It DOES degrade plastic and silicone, but in my experience the breakdown is slower than the normal replacement interval. IOW, you will be throwing your consumables in the trash sooner than the ozone can cause failure. In the case of my nasal pillows, it actually EXTENDS the life..
Yep. Because the breakdown actually makes the silicone more supple and they therefore seal better and longer. I'm buying WAY fewer pillows than before cleaning with ozone.
The one downside of some machines is that they actually let ozone enter your machine. That's a big no-no.
Look for devices that allow you to clean your components detached from your machine.
Initially I thought this video might be off, BUT, after watching and then checking the Resmed website I have to agree with you. Even Resmed will not warranty damage to the unit due to Ozone cleaning units, although they do not specifically recommend against there use. Now I feel stupid for for recently purchasing my SoClean2. Oh we’ll lesson learned. At least now after watching this video I can prevent the premature failure of my unit.
yeah, I feel stupid as well. I was just being lazy about washing my tubing once a week. so I caved and bought a So Clean. I hate that smell that comes from the machine while it's in use daily, airs out in about an hour but that can't be great on your lungs
🤣🤣 You both crack me up. Keep believing this dude, I have used a SoClean2 for 3 years and the cpap works just fine.
I've had no issues with using it. Everything works as intended. People just don't look after there equipment and want to blame so clean.
If you can't get rid of an odor after regular soapy water cleaning, then ozone cleaning will deodorize. You can keep your soclean on hand for that outcome. Regular use of ozone will destroy plastics. Once in a blue moon should be fine.
Given the Resmed non replaceable filters in the mask exhaust ports can get nasty, occasional use of an ozone machine would prevent bacterial growth.
Regular daily use is overkill and as you found out will deteriorate materials in an accelerated manner.
Wow.... and Now June 27th, 2021 all most all except latest Phillips cpap and bipap machines have been recalled due to interior sound deading foam degradation and even worse degradation with Ozone cleaners!! Your instincts were right on point!
The recall had nothing to do with it. They used bad materials in the machines. And they deteriorated over time mine was replaced last year never used an ozone cleaner.
I am not saying I know it all. I do believe I know what is best for my situation. I have two of everything except face masks.
I have four masks due to being a mouth breather while unconscious. They get drool on them, especially if I am sick. Even before I got a VPAP, I used to change my pillow case every morning. I hand wash my masks with dish soap after each use.
The rest of my gear gets cleaned via my So Clean daily. There are a lot of feet of tubes and sealed systems that I simply can not get to. The reason I have two of everything is that I have experienced almost every component break at least once. Having extras on hand helps keep things running no matter what.
I've been using a SoClean for several years. Yes, I've had masks turn yellow but never before I'm ready to replace them for physical wear. It was obvious to me that the device would not mechanically clean your equipment, only sterilize it. Every morning I hand wash the mask, then run the soclean. I alternate between two masks daily. Never had a problem and got about 4 years use from my dreamstation until the start button bar failed.
If you hand wash the equipment there's no need to sterilize it. Ozone isn't an efficient sterilizer anyway
I’d love to see the inside of your dreamstation and the foam degradation.
Check out the June 14, 2021 Phillips CPAP Recall!
Dream station has been recalled.
@@panthersoul Me to.
seriously guys and gals can we agree on the best none ozone method of cleaning the tubing and the machine itself. Please! Thanks for your work Lman you saved me some bucks $$$
I use so clean . No problems or yellowing. I do clean the nasal pillows with a wipe before placing in machine. It has been 5 months. Change pillows monthly.
I use a ResMed 9 cpap machine that is over 10 years old and I have cleaned my system with a SoClean model 2 for the last 5 years on a daily basis. The ResMed still works properly and is not showing any damage.
I have used the so clean for over 4 years I have never seen my pillows yellow and I will admit I use them more then the recommended 30 days of use it has cut down on my allergies
I’ve looked into using the cleaning machines and just think it was a waste of money and your video confirms my thoughts. Thank you.
The reason to use Ozone is to kill mould. You can’t possibly get to every place in your machine or tube unless you take it apart voiding warranty. Ozone kills mould, period. No where did I see that ozone (by advertisement or scientifically) is for general upkeep or cleaning of equipment. Of course you are required to clean with normal methods. This video actually bugs me, because I’ve seen mould growing in peoples hoses in winter, even when cleaning it correctly. Unless you use bleach or other mould killers the spores stays in the hoses.
see my recent comment, the ozone is the only thing that could have snapped the plastic clip right in half that needs to hold the strap to keep my mask tight enough. It was lucky I had a much older mask (lasted over a year of use without soclean2) so I borrowed the clip off that. New one that broke was only a couple months old.
If you use the Hurricane dryer, it dries the tubing completely and then no mold.
Mold
It’s spelled mold
@@vinsonwalton28 Clearly you do not know the English language. Your spelling is the "American" spelling. The remainder of the English world spells it Mould. NOW RUN ALONG YOU UNEDUCATED TWIT.
So glad I came across this. I was thinking about getting a So-Clean. Now I'm NOT! Thanks!! What about UV cleaners?
He said it’s stupid
Glad I saw this! Husband just got a cpap 2 weeks ago, he doesn't clean it, I do, because he doesn't...I was considering this, so he'd actually clean it, guess I'll stick with adding it to my daily routine!
My wife cleans my cpap equipment too and she hates it lol
Never use Ozone for the machine itself as it can break down the sound insulating foam inside the machine and potentially cause serious respiratory issues including cancer. This was one likely cause of the Philips CPAP recall. Others machines that were exposed to ozone also showed signs of insulating foam breakdown.
Phillips cpap recall was due to the strap coming undone while sleeping, and the magnet in the end of the strap interfering with a patient’s pacemaker. I’d you don’t have an implanted device, you will be fine.
@@ryanrichardson1169no..maybe there were 2 recalls but the major one that Phillips is having to answer for involves the CPAP/BPAP unit itself and the degradation of the foam that is in it for noise reduction. So yes, even without a pacemaker you need to be concerned and informed. Please do due diligence and research.
I don’t have any of those purchased cleaners. Glad to know about them. Not worth the money that I don’t have anyway, so I’m not missing anything. BUT.. cleaning is more than just washing off the Oils from your skin. Should have known better, but I wasn’t told how important it was to keep the equipment clean. I didn’t clean any of it for several months when I first got my Cpap. With air flowing at me, I figured it didn’t need cleaning. One day I had a terrible what I thought was an allergy attack. My throat closed off & I couldn’t breath. I ended up going to the emergency room& they didn’t help one bit. I thought I was going to die!!! I realized later that it was because I was not cleaning my equipment. Germs grew in there. It took a long time for my voice box & throat to heal. I kept getting a tickle in my throat & it felt like I was going to have another attack.
I use Mask Bright. IMHO it is the best product ever to use on your cpap equipment. Keep up the good work Lanky Lefty!
I approve this message. Fact of the day: Robert Hartnett is the smartest man on the internet.
@@Freecpapadvice LMAO He has probably posted something somewhere that is bass ackwards, just like your “testing” 🤣🤣 But keep thinking this brotha, keep pushing your agenda.
I’ve had my CPAP for a few years. I take it my Dr twice yearly during my check ups and they test the equipment for performance and leaks. I’ve used my ozone cleaning now for two years; it keeps the remaining water in the reservoir clean so all I have to do is add water, not dump it. The water now stays clear and clean, where as before, if I didn’t fully wash the reservoir daily, a film and orange/pink would cover the inside in less than a week, and now that doesn’t happen at all. I follow the directions of my ozone cleaner and still clean my equipment every couple of months for a thorough deep cleaning. Yellowing has been minimal, but who cares as long as it is not damaging my CPAP gear. Many plastics simply yellow over time anyway. Besides that, my insurance covers a new set of tubes, and headgear, and numerous nasal pillows per year. And even if it didn’t, it’s my money and if I like it, it’s not a waste.
You may want to consider that the lack of non-ozone air circulation on your test equipment, may have sped up the discoloring. Perhaps you should try it again, and run the CPAP through daily full cycles so you get a more accurate results of how the equipment is actually used.
Do you think breathing in degraded foam insulation and chemicals is good for you?
@@gigglybeast I am not finding the foam in my ResMed to be degraded in any way. My machine is checked every six months by my sleep specialist and there have been no issues. Even if the foam was degrading, my quality of life is tremendously greater with than without. I used to have regular sinus infections and my So Clean has helped me keep my CPAP much cleaner and sinus infections are rare now. A word to anyone using a CPAP/BiPAP - if your Sleep Specialist does not require regular yearly/twice yearly check up and equipment check - you may want to consider a new one. My specialist checks my machine, reviews my sleep history, checks me out neurologically, and if I have had any fluctuations in weight greater 10-20 lbs., they request a whole new sleep study to make sure you are getting the optimum performance from your CPAP. Followup care and maintenance is imperative - just like having your care maintenance every 3-5K miles.
@@jamesleveille-bonner6319 Well let's look at it this way. CPAP manufacturers have no issued warnings that they will not warranty any machine that uses ozone cleaners to sanitize them. And there was just a huge recall on the dreamstation due to internal degradation of their machine possibly linked to using ozone cleaners on them. So it doesn't matter if you have someone checking your machine every 6 months or not. Ozone cleaners are clearly not safe nor recommended for cleaning cpap machines.
I have been using the SoClean for about 1 1/2 years and can’t find anything wrong with it, no yellowing what so what so ever!
Its destroying your machine inside. You'll need a new one in the next couple years because it significantly reduces the life expectancy of the machine. I would use it sparingly.
@@jtro3452 I put the entire machine in a Sleep 8 Bag and have yet to have an issue. I have 3 years on my machine and expect 5 max. If the manufacturers don'tworry about ozone.
I'm curious what people think these machines actually accomplish? I'm sticking with dish soap... Manufacturer recommended and cheap.
How do you deal with the Ozone smell
Being totally blind, I of course couldn’t see what you saw. All I can go by is the fact I have been using So Clean with my Rez med machine since October 2018 and every time I take everything in to be checked, it is fine. I like using it because I don’t have to try to clean the tubing with water and then hope I get it all out. This way, I know it’s clean. It smells clean, it feels clean, and when I have a sighted person check it, it is always clean. It may not be the best way to do things, but sometimes for some people, it’s the only way. If you have a suggestion for me to try, please let me know.
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Maybe they’re already planted outdoors?
They are. They grow up so fast!
@ users of ozone machines. Ignorance is bliss. I see that many people still run on the theory that what you don't know won't harm you. 😀 If it does not clean, sterilize or effectively disinfect then what are you using it to do? Even if the device could disinfect, the most critical part of disinfection and sterilization is the cleaning of the item prior to the disinfection/sterilization process. All disinfection/sterilization devices assume a certain level of bioburden. For example the hospital's CSSD don't take items and simply place them in the autoclave (sterilizer). The item most go through a reprocessing procedure which starts with the cleaning process, the use of enzymatic detergents. Without this cleaning stage the likelihood that you will even achieve even low level disinfection is remote at best. We are all free to do as we want with regards to the care of our systems and health. That's a personal choice however NOT scientifically evidenced information. I like to be informed on a subject, so even if I go against the data I can't say I didn't know the risk and possible consequences.
I use a soclean for 3 years now, no issues. Tubing and whole mask go into the soclean. New nose piece every quarter, not worried about yellowing. You should be replacing that nose piece anyway. And you should wipe down that silicone nose piece once a night before using it again. It’s better than washing the tubing and mask everyday.
I just started using a cpap machine in the last 3 months and friends keep telling me I need to get a SoClean. I just don't know but after seeing this I really don't want to waste my money. I clean it each morning and I think I'm gonna wait! Thanks for the info!!
Bullshit! I have been using an ozone cleaner with my Airsense 10 and F20 mask with foam cushion and NEVER had any issues.
I feel the same way about cancer. I've never had it, so it must be bullshit.
What about the mold? I used an ozone cleaner for years, and it worked great. I'm using a UZ cleaner now, no complaints.
I've been using a ACPAP system for a little over 3yrs. now and I've had an Ozone cleaner all along - I've only ever put my mask/hose/tank in a container similar to the one you use to demonstrate with and it's always come out just fine with no "yellowing" or degradation of parts. It was never a real concern for me one way or another because I replace all of the parts I mentioned every few of months anyway.
This I used a soclean on my airsense 9 the entire time I had it until the motor gave me the end of life message. I would run it everyday and would only scrub everything down once a week. Never had an issue with it. Just got a new airsense 10. I might give taking the 9 apart and see how the foam looks. I know I never got foam in my water tank so I'm unsure if the foam broke down or not.
I used to wash my cpap water chamber, hose and such with soap and water daily. Then, I began using Soclean 2. The result has been remarkably better. No need to do this every morning. No funky smell no bacteria.
It doesn't remove the bacteria. It kills the bacteria which of course prevents bacteria growing out of control.
Yes ozone machines are very effective at removing odors. it's what they do.
I use so clean. I have chronic congestion due to having a tumor in my sinuses when I was younger. Since using so clean my congestion is alot better. I'm not griping with you. Just giving another side. How long do most cpap/bipap machines last. My newest one just died which I had for almost four years. Luckily I kept my old one as back as I just started a new job and haven't gotten insurance yet. Also is there a different type of cleaning device for my bipap machine I can use. I also replace my hose and seal every three months
It seems to me that the test was somewhat extreme. Daily ozone application for over a month without taking the equipment from the box and allowing it to sit in a normal air environment. I have been using the soclean machine with the F20 cushion for over a year and have seen no visible breakdown of either the cushion (change every 2 months) or the Airsense 10. A simple wipe down with a non alcoholic wipe for the cushion and pop it into the soclean. Just my thought on the matter.
I have been using SoClean 2 for over a year and have no yellowing. I wipe down the mask with a non alcohol wipe before putting the mask in machine. I take it out before using (not leaving in machine to never see outside air for over a month) no change in color or sound of my machine (ResMed 10 Air Sense Auto).
I think extreme was kind of the point. This might as well have simulated several months of cleaning masks/tubing.
Actually using a SoClean or any other Ozone cleaner voids the warranty on ResMED CPaP machines.
You need to look at the inside of your machine after a year of using ozone on it. Ozone destroys rubber. Ozone is highly reactive. If you live in an area of high air pollution (ozone levels and Sulfates) you will notice that the lawn chair webbing will start to deteriorate due to high ozone in the ambient air and high sulfate levels in the air. I had a Philips machine and had to have it replaced due to the recall. I never used ozone technology to clean the machine. But I bet that some people did and that is why the sound proofing fell apart inside these machines. My background is air pollution control and I'm an environmental scientist.
Running the ozone 2 x per day, without opening the box may have resulted in more ozone exposure than wveryday use.
Foam breakdown inside the machine is more of a concern than cushion and mask yellowing because those are replaced quarterly.
I have been using the soclean for 3 years and have a resmed 10 cpap and use simplex full face mask changing the cushion every month and really don't have any problems with my cpap machine.
I believe your method keeps the parts saturated in ozone way above normal exposure levels. After every exposure you should have opened the box and aired out the parts. I think this was a poor test, do something that shows actual use where ozone is run through and then fresh air finish. Also mask parts are routinely replaced. I also believe you got the result you set out to get by the method you used. Washing should be a part of cleaning no matter what, no one thought peanut butter would be cleaned off, but it is germ free
I opened up my AirSense 10 on which I have been using an ozone cleaner for several years. The sound baffle ring inside the air pump was no longer gray and open celled. What I found is a ring that had turned green and dense as well as a little damp. It looked almost identical to green floral foam, Needless to say, I am not ever going to use that machine again.
I wish you had compared cleaning the control machine/equipment daily according to manufacturers' recommendations rather than just letting the control equipment sit idle. I also felt that there were already some differences in sound and visual appearance at the beginning of the study. The machine that was assigned to the ozone study was already louder than the control machine, in my opinion. As for the masks, while I thought I noticed slight differences in appearance, I couldn't tell which went to the ozone box and which went to the control. Regardless, the differences in appearance at the end of the study were significantly more noticeable. I also think the chemicals (butter and other paste) added to the ozone group may have sandbagged the experiment. Who knows? I stopped using my SoClean 2 machine at the beginning of the recall, and I haven't cleaned my tubes/masks according to manufacturers' recommendations since (meaning, I haven't cleaned them at all--rather, I only replaced them when necessary). My sinus infection rate did not increase as a result. I am convinced that my sinus infections resulted from introduced bacteria/chemical residue during the cleaning process. I do use sanitary wipes on the skin-contact surfaces of the masks from time-to-time. Bottom line, I don't miss the ozone cleaner.
I appreciate the test you did. I was considering getting a So Clean to sanitize my CPAP machine, but I will continue using Dawn and warm water. And simply replace my equipment as needed.
Do not use the SoClean machine on any CPAP! It will destroy the internals. Takes about 6 mos to a year then you’ll be left to buy another $1k machine and SoClean won’t give you a cent to help out.
Thank you for this! I had been hoping to buy an ozone cleaner, but couldn't afford them! Now I don't feel so bad about that!
Dude, you crack me up. As a relatively new customer of CPAP, I find your info. very interesting. Also, your content and delivery are great. Enjoy! Don.
I’ve lost track of all the TWSS and TWHS that I needed to do during this video. Ridiculous! Epic level material!!!
I've been using Dawn dish soap for the last six and a half years. It works great.
How often do you clean your tubing with Dawn?
Read the manual it says not to block the blow pipe while its running
Got a SoClean3 for Christmas this year. Less than two weeks using it I have a horrible burning rash around my face and my mask is already showing signed of yellowing. I had to clean my mask just to sleep last night. I am seeing if I can get a refund...
Get your money back! They had to pay me back I should sue for all my doctor bills from sinus infections.
@@titlewave399 I did end up getting it back. Now just cleaning my mask/tubes/water camber I am having no rash and no issues. The way this guy proves it can damage to cpap machine really did it for me.
I've used a SoClean now for about three years and have noticed less sore throat. None actually.
A note though, on the cleaner and a Philips Respironics CPAP machine. They are replacing the CPAP machines due to a breakdown of a sound insulator that the ozone flows over, breaking it down. This just happened last week and not a lot is known from my med supplier though. Philips is saying it will take some weeks to replace and to use only the mask and hose in the SoClean for the time being.
Resp Doc says that the breakdown of the insulation can cause all sorts of nasty vapors and even some bits to flow through the mask in use. Some are "C" causing vapors.
I will follow and let you know what they come up with, but for me, it's back to Dawn and vinegar at least once a week...
I do like the ozone odor though...
Edit, I did just watch your video from June and am keeping up with the news.
Thank you much...
I got a soclean and I havent used it yet. But I did some research and it turns out that you're still supposed to wipe the equiptment off with a CPAP wipe or something to get the oils and biological materials off before using the SoClean. I felt ripped off because I thought I could just turn on the SoClean and go but its solely for killing bacteria and you still need a good routine for cleaning your machine. The only reason I got the SoClean was to eliminate the need to wash my stuff. But I guess it doesnt do that. Lesson learned to do research before I buy.
Been using So Clean for over 2 years. I never wash my mask or hose. I simply wipe the mask once in a while to clean the oils. Have had no more sinus infections since using So Clean
Been using a clap for 14yrs. And never had a problem with sinus infections. I have hand washed my mask and tubing with ivory dish washing soap white vinegar. I dry my tubing and mask with my first c pap Machine. Never had a problem u til myDoc. Said I needed a Bi pap and ordered me a Phillips dream machine . After using for about 1 and a half yrs. I started sneezing shortly after turning it on. I flush mi sinuses with arm and hammer. Saline spray ; blow my nose and. Then am usually ok. Then I find out about the re~cAll. That may be the problem.
You have clap?
TMI bro.
I imported a SoClean years ago when I first started CPAP and even defended it a few times on this channel. I couldn't say if it made the equipment more yellow because I didn't have a 'control'. It eventually failed and because there was nobody in Australia that could repair it, it was cheaper for me to buy a new one. I didn't do that and now that they are available in Australia, I won't bother either.
Your point about them doing an uneccessary job is the clincher, the fact that they may damage equipment just makes them even more a waste of money.
(When I read the subject line for the video I thought you'd become a converts but it was just clickbait 🤣)
No. I actually DID change my mind. Initially thought they were useless, now I think they're damaging.
What a great experiment. Thanks for the hard work
Thank you!
Well it seemed like a good idea at the time. Thanks for the info and the humor.
I have been using Mask Bright for a month now and I can officially say I cant go without it!! Screw those Ozone thingys..
I loooove the sweet yummy smell of the Mask Bright and I KNOW my equipment is getting squeaky clean!
Thanks Jaawson for the great video and making me happy! 😁 You da 💣!
"Jaaawson" 😂
I bought Mask Bright because I love the smell of oranges. I found it to be very oily and hard to rinse off. What am I doing wrong? How do you use it as a regular cleaner? Thanks!
I've had a SoClean2 for 3 years. I use mask wipes daily. I still have congestion and runny nose in the morning. My DreamStation has been recalled. I've been told by many respiratory therapists to stop using any ozone machines. I will not use any with the new machine that I had to buy. Phillips has said that it may take up to 1 year to either repair or replace my machine. I don't know about you but I can't wait that long.
Thanks for taking the time to do this. What your your thoughts on a UVC device (for killing micro stuff in tube and mask) like Liviliti Paptizer? I have been using SoClean and have decided to stop. I clean mask and hose weekly but was using SoClean daily between cleanings. I was just using SoClean on the mask and hose however and bypassing the machine and humidifier entirely.
I think if in your test you're knocking Soclean, you should test with Soclean.
My hose has never turned yellow. My mask and cushion eventually turn yellow but before they do, it's time to replace them. Definitely never after one use as your claim suggests.
If anyone leaves as much oil on their mask as you simulate with peanut butter, they have bigger problems not related to the way they clean their gear.
And the purpose is to kill mold, not bacteria.
I purchased the So Clean not long after I got my Bi-pap. There is a little smell after you use it. That was no big deal but then I couldn't put my mask on without coughing. I totally gave up. Then I remembered every time I walked through the bedroom with the So Clean running I would cough. I have asthma and copd and wondered if there was a connection. From what I have read ozone can irritate and maybe damage the lungs and was terrible for people with lung issues. I personally would never use it again. I'm still not great with the bi-pap but am much better than when I used the So Clean. It may not bother some I'm sure but It definitely did me.
Thanks for saving me money! I picked up the hurricane dryer and mask bright instead for half the price. Looking forward to it showing up next week! You’re the reason I stayed away from the ozone cleaners.
Mask bright is awesome! Love the orange scent. Udaman!
The hurricane dryer is my favourite CPAP splurge! I love it, and highly recommend it!
You omitted the very important fact that Resmed stated that for its CPAPs purchased after March 2020 (I may have the month wrong), use of an ozone cleaner invalidates the warranty. Though my Resmed predated that, I stopped using the SoClean (for which evidence of effectiveness has always been questionable.)
No, I do mention that its use voids warranties.
@@Freecpapadvice At what number on the video do you say it? I can't find it. It seems it's important enough to be at the beginning.
Are you still looking for where you said it?
12:40. The voiding of warranties isn’t the topic of this video, so I don’t think it’s important to say at the beginning.
@@Freecpapadvice You did not say, at the beginning or anywhere, that using ozone machines on Resmed CPAPs voids the warranty, effective about a year ago. Ozone machines were the topic of the video, and that is vital information, at least as important as anything you said. Let's drop it. You don't even know what you say.
On the recall of System One they are now saying that using ozone cleaners are causing the disintegration of the inner filter.
I do think that the older the system one is that they would also have that foam deteriate.
I have a So-clean used one for years. Never had any yellowing.
This topic has been a debate for years at my medical office. My suspicions came from the health and environmental disclaimers on home/office ozone machines which warn of plastic degradation in the presence of ozone. Fantastic visual evidence and shockingly in such a short time period, not to mention the award winning performance. Thanks Jason.
Changing equipment helps too!
The Control contained no butter or conductive paste so it wasn't a valid "control" Those substances in the Ozone only side could have "yellowed" the items. The experiment wasn't truly Controlled
I first watched a while back to learn how to adjust pressure and such, now I just watch because , why not. As entertaining as anything on network TV. Been contemplating getting you to analyze my data. The wife has sleepyhead on her computer. I looked at it,,,, like i can read greek. My Ahi is great but i wake up a couple times a night.
"As entertaining as anything on network TV......" [Lanky sits in shower fully clothed... a water/tear mixture pouring down his face. This, after reading the most hurtful comment in his 10 years (only 2 productive) as a RUclipsr.]
.....when I said "wreck me....OWN me", I was just kidding....😢
😂😂🤣🤣
Man...that butter you put on the mask was THICCCCCC!!!!!! Your RUclips videos inspire me to greatness as I am also a THICCCccccccccc BOI!!!!!!!! Hahahaha!!
I have steered clear of the ozone cleaners per your expert advice!
Thanks for this video. I have been an RT for 27 years and a cpap user myself for the last 4. I advise pts. when I set them up to use baby wash, dawn, or mask bright to clean their equipment. I've never been a fan of ozone cleaners.
So, I have two ozone machines: one at home and one at my shore house. My biggest problem cleaning my equipment the traditional way, was getting the water out so I didn't feel like I was drowning at night. The hurricane dryer is so big and it would essentially be out all of the time if I cleaned the equipment daily.
This experiment upsets me. Obviously I don't want to DAMAGE my equipment. The other thing that I am hearing is that ozone may be harmful! Any insight in that regard?!
Ozone is a terrible respiratory irritant, so if ozone is used to treat the internal parts of the machine, then one must wait the required time before using the machine and run the machine to evacuate remaining gas.
Ozone machines are used in pest control to kill roaches and spiders because the gas turn the juicy insides acidic and they literally melt like the wicked witch of the west .
The nature of the gas is that is reactive a normal atmospheric pressure. It breaks down to oxygen particles again but can turn water acidic.
This is why it is a lung irritant.
It does not give bacteria a chance and other microbes for survival.
We use it in our rental machines for that purpose.
We replace the seals every 6 months as they yellow in the dreamstations.
My previous comment was deleted apparently, I hope you will be able to view this. I am a retired doc and not swayed by internet-based hype.
We breathe a bit of ozone everyday. Depending on where you live, it is more concentrated than in other locals. (Think hot, smoggy days in LA versus a green mountain meadow in Vermont, for example.)
The ozone in the SoClean2 machine is short-acting and the sanitizing of your equipment occurs in steps. Each step is indicated by a red, yellow, or green light.
RED: the SoClean is operating and generating activated oxygen.
YELLOW: SoClean is in its 2-hour disinfecting cycle.
GREEN: The disinfecting has been successfully completed.
When the machine - or your equipment - is brand new, there may be an odor after the first few uses. Also, if you are concerned that there may be ozone remnants in the hose(s), simply remove your mask/headgear from the SoClean chamber and set it off to the side on a clean surface. Turn your CPAP machine on and let it run for a few minutes. 5-15 minutes, say, while you’re brushing your teeth and getting ready for bed. The time really depends on the user’s preference. For example: My machine runs at 10am, completes at 12-12:30pm. I don’t go to bed before 11pm to midnight - so I’m not concerned with “trapped ozone,” as anything left would have dissipated by the time I put the mask on.
Does SoClean really clean CPAP? Not really. It is not a cleaner, it is a sanitizer. - But “SoSanitize” isn’t as catchy as “SoClean” - AND, when it comes to good respiratory health, sanitary, germ-free tubing and masks are paramount.
- Sanitizing reduces the number of bacteria, viruses, and fungi.
- Cleaning removes dirt and other particles. The best cleaning method is soap and water - or CPAP mask wipes.
WHAT I DO:
1) Remove headgear, everything attached.
2) Wipe the mask and frame with a CPAP wipe.
3) Drop it all into the SoClean machine.
4) Make sure water reservoir is at adequate level and that the check valve and all cords are firmly attached.
5) Wipe my CPAP machine and SoClean machine down with a CPAP wipe.
6) Cover both machines with a king-sized pillowcase.
7) Forget about it until I go to bed.
- That whole process takes MAYBE 3 minutes. My SoClean machine is auto-programmed to begin cleaning at 10am daily.
Three years. No problems. My CPAP is perfect. (Resmed Airsense 10)
When the internet rumors went from, “SoClean is magically wonderful!” To, “Ozone is bad and dangerous!”
- I had a meeting with my Pulmonologist. We are science-based thinkers.
Again, there is ozone in the air we breathe everyday. The SoClean machine does not blow or otherwise import ozone into your lungs or respiratory system- it is not on while your CPAP is on. Your CPAP machine uses the air in your room - and it has filters to boot.
I would continue to do what works best for you knowing that you may safely and confidently eliminate “ozone problems” from your checks and balance sheet. - Provided, of course, that you are utilizing your equipment as the manufacturer has directed. Good sleep & Good health to you! 😊 🛏 💤
@@shariakers2387 agree
@Les Hartman - my post was in response to your post. 😊
@@shariakers2387 Thank you do much. When I originally got my CPAP, I would wash it every morning as I was getting ready for work. This would be around 6:30 or 7:00. I generally go to sleep around 10:30 or 11:00. The hose was always filled with some amount of water. The result was a very uncomfortable experience. I was overjoyed to purchase the SoClean. I thought about getting the Hurricane dryer, but it is ridiculously big. And there is no using it and putting it away, for all intents and purposes. It would just be out all of the time. That would make me crazy. Thanks again for your much welcomed response!
I have had a SoClean for about 5 years or so and I stopped using it about a year and a half ago because it keep breaking my Resmed A-10 machine. Seemed like a good product on the surface but not so much if it breaks you CPAP machine. Luckily my CPAP was replaced under warranty but the people at that gave me my replacement machine the second time suggested that I not use my SoClean anymore. No issues since then.
Didn't realize you're a RUclipsr as well. Even saw a CPAP in the random video of yours I checked out. 😄
@@Freecpapadvice
Yeah. Been at it for quite a while. I never sleep or travel without my cpap. If I go on a snowmobile trip I pack my gear, my cameras and my cpap.
Ok so I get that you hate these but I’ve been using my SoClean2 for years and I’ve never ever had that yellowing ever happen. I have the Dreamwear mask and change it out ever month. I clean my nasal mask ever day. My machine sounds just fine🤷♀️ Not saying it can’t happen just never happens with mine.
How’s your foam doing?
Whats your take on the ozone ability to kill (or not kill) pathogens in your water? I life the freshness of my so clean but I also physically clean my mask once a week. Open to your take on this subject!
i saw a class action law suit against soclean 2 ozone cleaner. Our soclean 2 quit at 2 years 17 days. Gee just when the warranty ran out. Then I saw your cool video. Nice job. earlier today we got another ozone cleaner. The ozone cleaner is cordless. it runs in a bag with everything except the machine. for 35 min. Then for 90min. you let the zipped up bag sit. Once done. hook everything up to you machine and turn on your machine for 60 seconds to clear out the deadly gas. Ive changed my mind about this ozone cleaner. Im leaning toward ULTRA VIOLET CLEANER. UVC. What do you think about UVC?
Please note I did "like" this video, however I think your premise is a bit skewed. Before you say (what does he know), I will say that I do not use Ozone to clean mask.
I will however give you my entire cleaning regimen, and the reasoning behind the hygiene.
Two years ago I was awakened two or three nights in the course of a month with a really foul smell that was so bad that I was literally choking.
I contacted various people from the DME, my Doctor as well as Jason's Videos.
The DME recommended that I get a Ozone device.
This odor was coming from inside my Resmed Curve, and the hose. The smell was something akin to burnt wiring and rancid meat.
I wash the mask (F30), either in Lemon Joy,Dawn, or Mask Brite. My Tubing and the Resmed Curve, and Hunidifier Chamber are gassed daily! No yellowing of the hose, the Machine is fine, the seals in the Humidity Chamber are soft (even after 120 days of use).
So the Ozone does not hurt those components, I can not speak to the yellowing of the mask as I do not gas a mask for obvious reasons that you stated.
There is a place for ozone, to kill fungus, and mold in the dark moist environment inside the machine, and tubing.
My Hurricane Dryer only has to dry the mask cushions, and headgear, and since I have been using ozone I have not been awakened by a noxious smell anymore.
This is a good point and worth a mention in a follow up. There is an unknown factor.
Maybe it depends on your climate as well. humidity in the air perhaps as my wife and i haven't had a problem. Only time i get the burnt smell is from if i have the heating on the Cpap turned up or It's on Auto climate it can wake me with the smell when the room gets cold during the night. That awful burnt wire smell.
@@craigalexp I've woken up to that smell when the water runs out of my humidifier.
Agreed…i think if its used on a machine that doesn’t have toxic foam in it ozone will definitely kill bacteria and mold in a machine, i just use a rescomf about five times a year for half an hour because my resmed machine is 7 years old. Although i never use it to clean mask I do disagree with with why we clean masks…oils etc degrade the silicone but skincells etc from skin actually let bacteria thrive to make your skin then get irritated…thats literally why it gets irritated so yeah i was a bit taken aback by that comment. Of course its not going to clean your mask re the butter…lol…its just gasses it…like of course it doesn’t get dirt and oils off, it just takes any bacteria out of them…if you were going to use one for masks you need to wash first then stick it in to sterilise it, do a proper cleaning experiment…swab them. And also mold is killed too. And bacteria is a problem…its not that harmless if it is left…hence the skin irritation.
Good video. Changed my mind about using my Soclean. Subscribed.
I will be eliminating sound deadening foam which will make my machine a little louder but at the same time my life will be spared.
June 14, 2021, Phillips issued a Recall to mitigate potential health risk related to the sound abatement foam component affecting many CPAP machines. Basically the foam is deteriorating causing louder sound and a potential for some of the foam to enter the airstream and into the lungs! Phillips recommend not using ozone cleaners. HOWEVER as of yet Phillips has yet to determine what is causing the foam deterioration! Even some non-ozone users are expecting foam deterioration!
Well, after seeing this, my Rescomf ozone cleaner will be on sale... Wish I had seen such a test before buying this. I love to way you introduce humour into your videos. Congrats!
I use and alcohol wipe to clean my mask and I don't clean the tube because I don't use water in my machine . I used to put the tank on and add water but I kept getting sick so I stopped and now it's been 4 yrs I have not been sick with a chest infection so if you can use one without the water tank I highly recommend it and I am a sever case of sleep apnea I can't take a nap unless I use one. I do replace the hose and nasal mask every 6 months
Been using a So Clean for over 2 years and my System One is no louder now than when new.
It s not the bacteria on the face but it’s the mould that can form in the tubing and mask due to the humidity that that you need to disinfect the tubing and mask. You do not put you machine in ozone as it ma get damaged by time and it is useless. Masks and tubes are changed regularly so any yellowing is not important. I ve been using an ozone disinfector with no problem for years.
Ozone breaks down on its own very rapidly. Air-tight is not needed. CPAP cleaners must also have a feature that sends regular air through the device for a period of time after dosing. Ozone does not need much contact time to be effective at eliminating germs, viruses etc. No one ever stated that these devices clean up the oils, so I agree with you that periodic cleaning for that is needed. Your experiment, however is unrealistic in that you dont give the ozone a path out of the container thereby increasing the corrosive nature of o3. As I stated below, I have put the whole dream station in a sleep 8 bag for a while and it works properly after 3 years.
To clarity, I believe, as you do, that the inside of masks need to be cleaned periodically. The oils, however, are not the target of these machines.
Well, you just blew up my thought process re: O³ cleaners. Interesting study. Thanks for bringing this to the light of day.
You mentioned Dawn dish soap. I was told to never use Dawn because it would break down the silicone. Does it?
Not at all. Dawn is very gentle.
You should have put a strawberry plant is each of the boxes.
No prizes for guessing what would happen to the strawberry plant in the ozone box.
I change my nose pillows every two weeks, my headgear once a month as well as hose. If you never change out for new stuff regularly any of it will yellow after time.
10:40 The ozone probably broke down the sound deadening foam, similar to what it does in Airsense10 machines
yup!!
How do hospitals and DME companies clean the cpap unit between patients? I've read don't buy a used machine but DME companies take back units everyday. They tried to give my son a used one. The filter package was torn open in the case and the book was clearly used. I was told they are allowed to recycle them. Clearly it had not been cleaned. Do they harbor bacteria inside the unit?
I went to my local DME to test for a few masks. They were all yellow because of their ozone cleaners. Also the ResMed pillow cushions whistled. The tech there said new ones win, only those test unit does because of too many cleaning cycles.
I traveled with my CPAP and stayed in a house that I think had mold. The machine now has a smell, and my throat is irritated every morning. I have soap and water cleaned everything but the machine because it is sealed. I was thinking of getting a Soclean 2 to disinfect the machine, but now I am not sure. I have an Airsense 11.