Having the second Kingsman movie be the one where all of Kingsman gets destroyed is one of the weirdest ideas for a sequel ever that’s something you do for the 5th movie.
@@reeseraines5136 i think so, yeah. Like we spent the whole first movie enjoying the dynamic of the Kingsman Secret Service and Roxy only for them to both get blown up in the beginning of the next film. Like i even like the Statesman, but it felt like such whiplash, no pun intended, from the first movie.
@@MitchFace And that type of tone shift can totally be a good thing. I like shock value. They went too far (WE WENT...TOO FAR!), And only Nigel Tufnel can go to 11.
I think everyone agrees, Golden Circle should've at least been Kingsmen 3. Let us enjoy the characters on a mission before we blow them up. I get that the first movie kinda already went there, but this felt like reckless self-sabatoge. Like, even killing off Merlin at the end? Practically everyone dies in it like it's the final film. But somehow there's going to be even more with what little cast is left.
It's my impression that Mathew Vaughn doesn't really understand how to write for Women. Maybe I'm wrong, but his women always seem to just be kind of hollow. Haven't see Argylle Yet, I hope I'm wrong.
Bubble from Valerian And The City Of A Thousand Planets. I've never been angrier at a fantastic side character being killed off for absolutely no defensible reason.
This is a thing in screen writing. Screenwriters invariably write themselves into their movies, but they don't want to be "that guy" who makes themselves the main character, so they relegate the most fleshed-out person to a secondary character. It happens in like... every movie that has ever been written by anyone, including these 10, and thousands of others.
Another character that I would have liked to know more about, and why not? Have his own movie: Walter from The Big Lebowski and Janis and Damian from Mean Girls.
I'm a Predators defender. Yea, it didn't escalate the franchise the way Aliens did, but it was a welcome shift from the Alien vs Predator movies. And I thought Brody did a fine job, I'm surprised you went after him instead of Topher Grace (not saying he wasn't good in that role, it was just such a weird choice).
When the first time the character is introduced, he walks up after shooting one guy dead and injuring another only to beat him to death after tracking them for two days with two hatchets in his back; you should just switch main characters. That was Jack Horne btw.
@@suimeingwong2043not true. Cranston did state in an interview after the film came out that he did enjoy the experience, but it was a narrative mistake killing his character so early
@@rorylynch7775 I said it's just a feeling but even if he said he enjoyed it on some program that does not mean it wasn't for public relations or do you not think Mr. Cranston can act differently than how he feels. Personally I think he's a great actor and therefore a great liar too.
The fox version of Quicksilver can only work in a supporting role like he did DOFP. He's far too overpowered to be a main character because he could solve all the films problems too easily. Its obvious they didn't know what to do with Quicksilver when they made him one of the main characters in Apocalypse outside of just doing an update on the time in a bottle scene, which is why Quicksilver gets written out of both the third act of Apocalypse and the opening of Dark Phoenix in such an underwhelming way.
I don't get why people hate the retcon in Scream 3. They literally point out it's a staple of the genre to have a reveal that recontextualises what came before. And this does just that. Perfectly rounding things out to feel like a complete trilogy.
I've always seen the retcon that Roman Bridger was the secret lead killer of the first film was symbolic of how directors of great horror franchises are treated, especially Wes Craven himself with the Nightmare series. You have one little movie by an unknown director that hardly anybody knows that blows up and becomes a cultural touchstone. (First "Scream" film, Roman is unknown) Then, the director wants to let his masterpiece rest, but the studio wants sequels. The studio has sequels made by other directors ("Scream 2", Roman is uninvolved) After all the lackluster sequels, the director, now well known and loved makes a "triumphant return" to the franchise, but the result still doesn't match the original, particularly with the director now having free reign and not the artistic limits that forced him to be creative but stay within the small budget of the original film. ("Scream 3")
Hicks from Aliens should have gotten a mention. That movie focused way too much on Ripley and Newt. Hicks was a much tougher character, not to mention HOT.
I always felt that Roxy deserved more! I mean they brought back Harry, why not her? I mean yeah that’ll be just another fake out death, but I’m sure many will be happy to see her back.
Kingsman: The Golden Circle has many issues, but killing off Roxy, especially as she is such a beloved character is so stupid. I mean destroying all of Kingsman in its first sequel is dumb, but additionally depriving fans of one of the best characters from the first movie is simply mind boggling.
Damn! You beat me to it. I was going to say, “For those who agree with the No. 3 pick, Kong: Skull Island, I was going to suggest a look at John Boorman’s Hell In The Pacific. The movie lost money, but is now considered a classic, getting many repeats throughout the 1970’s on TV due to its popularity with audiences. Before that, Lee Marvin and Boorman did that other seminal gangster classic, Point Blank. It’s one of those, “What could have beens,” now, because Boorman and Marvin remained life long friends and always planned to work together again, but they never got their time tables together. Yet, if Hell In The Pacific had been a success, I’m fairly sure that Hollywood producers and money men would have done all they could to remove obstacles and put them in a room together. Point Blank got a mixed response from critics, but managed to make money, and that’s now considered a true classic too, which it is. But, as you suggested, Hell in The Pacific is pretty much that movie everybody wants, but without the monsters.
I'm just going to point out that it's not actually confirmed Roxie died in The Golden Circle, so there's a chance she's still alive and could show up in the next movie (which is confirmed to be in development)
From what I've heard the next Hunger Games book and movie is going to be about a young Haymitch and the games he won. I am so into this idea, crossing my fingers that it's going to be amazing!
My top ten supporting roles I wish the film was centred on: 1 Garland Greene in Con Air 2. Drexl in True Romance 3. The Hitman in Tomorrow Never Dies 4. Steve Bushemi in The Wedding Singer 5. The Jamaican guy in Belly 6. Tilda Swinton in Trainwreck 7. Archie and Maggie in Naked 8. Chop top in Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2 9. The Mystery Man in Lost Highway 10. Vinnie Jones in Eurotrip
Haymitch Abernathy might be getting his story told. The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Reaping is supposed to be set during the Second Quarter Quell. On bookshelves March 18th, 2025. In theatres November 20th, 2026.
Just remembered the original 80s Predator started filming as a sequal to commando which was changend during production only arnies constume was left from the 1st movie
Im just going to say this had The X-men left Mystique as a self-serving villain as she is in the comics she would have remained a compelling character. Plus her powers are more in line with espionage and assassination than saving the world.
Terminator Dark Fate: imagine the movie being about the terminator cut off from the future stranded in the past making a life for himself! The possibilities are unlimitless!
100% agree on Spidey 3. The Sandman storyline felt like it was on track to continue the quality of Spidey 2 but was then completely derailed Venom & water it was they had Tobey doing for most of that film. 🤦♂️
I'm no doubt in the minority, but I actually think Sandman should have been removed in favour of Venom and Harry Osborn being a duo (at first) given that those are the two with actual reasons to wanna murder Spider-Man. Sandman joining Venom makes no sense. He says "he didn't want this" and yet clearly he did because he did it.
Absolutely loved Parker posey in scream 3 it was an odd installment of the franchise, not just because of Courtney cox's fringe... The kingsman, I loved the first one, meh for the golden circle
Quicksilver was the best part of the Xmen Prequels,Dark Phoenix essentially cutting him out of the movie almost immediately was one of many huge missteps Once Upon A Time in Hollywood should've cut the Sharon Tate subplot entirely and given more time to Pitt and DiCaprio Fun fact the Lawrence Fishburn character was originally written for Danny Glover to return as Harrigan from predator 2
@@rorylynch7775 yeah he was great until this last two movies where he just repeated the same character arc of living a peaceful life before someone disrupts it then he turns heel before turning good in the 3rd Act then at the end Charles offers him a place at the X mansion but he turns it down yet despite all he did their friendship is still intact
If bougie bias, racism, and deceptive propaganda weren't enough, Ewan just gave us another reason to boycott the current excuses for Scream films. This is less of a case to bring back Parker Posey and more one that we didn't need Kirby.
Wait. Wait. Wait a second. Margot Robbie putting in an “outstanding. Performance” ??? Are you guys smoking your own stash? She barely has any lines and it’s essentially our perfect director doing a love letter to 60s starlets and miniskirts. The camera following her around driving, going to a movie of herself (as the character) or dancing and hamming it up for the camera the entire time… hardly a stellar performance on any level when it’s basically a Hollywood set symbol playing a Hollywood sex symbol being herself. Only thing that took talent is not speaking with her Australian accent.
You can’t do a haimich prequel for hunger games because the performance of the character is highly dependent on the delivery by the actor. Any prequel would have to recast for a younger haimich and it would NOT be woody Harrelson and would not be the same performance…thus a waste of time.
Han from Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift should've been on the list. He was by FAR the best thing about that movie, had more charisma, charm, coolness than the ENTIRE cast put together, but instead it was about Sean, a bland, generic, forgettable character that couldn't hold a light to Han. That's why you see Han in the other movies, NOT Sean, so they've screwed up BIG time for not making him the lead of Tokyo Drift.
All the ways The Golden Circle failed its audience… let me count them! Definitely 1 of the worst sequels, given the high bar for unabashed entertainment set by its predecessor!
You giving Days of Future Past a pass on butchering the story from the source issues is pretty amazing coming from a "knowledgeable" comic book reader. Spider-Man 2 was nearly perfect. The nonsense with his failing powers was complete rubbish and distracted from an otherwise great film.
They had to kill off Roxy because it would be a perceived love interest for Eggsy. And since he was married to or engaged to the princess of Sweden, after a little butt sex, it would make zero sense to keep her in the movie and essentially ruin the chemistry with eggsy and princess, much less confuse the audience and perhaps make it so the audience would not be rooting for him to kill off the villain in time to save his love from the tainted drugs she took. My god. 3 in a row I’ve had to disprove. This list sucks. Do you do any research on your lists or just spout them out for ad revenue?
Having the second Kingsman movie be the one where all of Kingsman gets destroyed is one of the weirdest ideas for a sequel ever that’s something you do for the 5th movie.
The shock value of it all was definitely outweighed by being written into a corner, huh?
Bad sequel, great first film
@@reeseraines5136 i think so, yeah. Like we spent the whole first movie enjoying the dynamic of the Kingsman Secret Service and Roxy only for them to both get blown up in the beginning of the next film. Like i even like the Statesman, but it felt like such whiplash, no pun intended, from the first movie.
@@MitchFace And that type of tone shift can totally be a good thing. I like shock value. They went too far (WE WENT...TOO FAR!), And only Nigel Tufnel can go to 11.
I think everyone agrees, Golden Circle should've at least been Kingsmen 3. Let us enjoy the characters on a mission before we blow them up. I get that the first movie kinda already went there, but this felt like reckless self-sabatoge. Like, even killing off Merlin at the end? Practically everyone dies in it like it's the final film. But somehow there's going to be even more with what little cast is left.
I loved Adrian Brody in Preators. I will watch it every time it is on just for him. Always wished for a sequel with him.
Adrian Brody is one of the greatest predator champions
The hunger games timing is amazing
Vincent D'Onfrio is the most incredibly underrated character actor EVER.
The kingsman killing off Roxy was really a bad decision
I didn't see a body... I want her back.
The other bed decision was bringing back Colin Firth. It seemed like they made the same mistakes that MIB 2 made by getting rid of Agent L.
Second this, it sort of killed off the franchise as well.
Roxy is alive. She was ducking out somewhere (instead of just looking out the window and saying "Sh**"). Should be good to go for Kingsman 3. 🙂
It's my impression that Mathew Vaughn doesn't really understand how to write for Women. Maybe I'm wrong, but his women always seem to just be kind of hollow. Haven't see Argylle Yet, I hope I'm wrong.
Well they just announced TODAY that 3:44 is getting his own spinoff film based on a backstory novel about him.
Thank God we need it
Paloma, in "No time to die". This could have been an amazing role. I'd watch a spinoff of this unexperienced, yet badass secret agent.
Absolutely. One of the best parts of that film. I would be good with her becoming the next 007.
Bubble from Valerian And The City Of A Thousand Planets. I've never been angrier at a fantastic side character being killed off for absolutely no defensible reason.
This is a thing in screen writing. Screenwriters invariably write themselves into their movies, but they don't want to be "that guy" who makes themselves the main character, so they relegate the most fleshed-out person to a secondary character. It happens in like... every movie that has ever been written by anyone, including these 10, and thousands of others.
Another character that I would have liked to know more about, and why not? Have his own movie: Walter from The Big Lebowski and Janis and Damian from Mean Girls.
I'm a Predators defender. Yea, it didn't escalate the franchise the way Aliens did, but it was a welcome shift from the Alien vs Predator movies. And I thought Brody did a fine job, I'm surprised you went after him instead of Topher Grace (not saying he wasn't good in that role, it was just such a weird choice).
Totally agree about Roxy; was really irked at how she was treated.
When the first time the character is introduced, he walks up after shooting one guy dead and injuring another only to beat him to death after tracking them for two days with two hatchets in his back; you should just switch main characters.
That was Jack Horne btw.
I agree, I honestly wished that Bryan Cranston would have been in the film more. It wasn't as gripping after his character was killed off.
I have this feeling that his agent made him do this movie and after filming a few scenes he wanted out.
@@suimeingwong2043not true. Cranston did state in an interview after the film came out that he did enjoy the experience, but it was a narrative mistake killing his character so early
@@rorylynch7775 I said it's just a feeling but even if he said he enjoyed it on some program that does not mean it wasn't for public relations or do you not think Mr. Cranston can act differently than how he feels. Personally I think he's a great actor and therefore a great liar too.
That was a huge pissoff. Huge bait and switch.
I don't know if he deserved to be the center of the action, but Quicksilver's scene saving everyone's asses I remember to be very very fun
The fox version of Quicksilver can only work in a supporting role like he did DOFP. He's far too overpowered to be a main character because he could solve all the films problems too easily. Its obvious they didn't know what to do with Quicksilver when they made him one of the main characters in Apocalypse outside of just doing an update on the time in a bottle scene, which is why Quicksilver gets written out of both the third act of Apocalypse and the opening of Dark Phoenix in such an underwhelming way.
I don't get why people hate the retcon in Scream 3. They literally point out it's a staple of the genre to have a reveal that recontextualises what came before. And this does just that. Perfectly rounding things out to feel like a complete trilogy.
I've always seen the retcon that Roman Bridger was the secret lead killer of the first film was symbolic of how directors of great horror franchises are treated, especially Wes Craven himself with the Nightmare series.
You have one little movie by an unknown director that hardly anybody knows that blows up and becomes a cultural touchstone. (First "Scream" film, Roman is unknown)
Then, the director wants to let his masterpiece rest, but the studio wants sequels. The studio has sequels made by other directors ("Scream 2", Roman is uninvolved)
After all the lackluster sequels, the director, now well known and loved makes a "triumphant return" to the franchise, but the result still doesn't match the original, particularly with the director now having free reign and not the artistic limits that forced him to be creative but stay within the small budget of the original film. ("Scream 3")
50th Hunger Games story was just announced right after this! Way to bring it to reality 😂
Hicks from Aliens should have gotten a mention. That movie focused way too much on Ripley and Newt. Hicks was a much tougher character, not to mention HOT.
d'onofrio is one of the greatest underrated actors of our time.
Scream 3 did not retcon anything. All it did was show that Billy Lumis didn't come up with the idea to kill Sidney's mom. He was coerced into it.
I always felt that Roxy deserved more! I mean they brought back Harry, why not her? I mean yeah that’ll be just another fake out death, but I’m sure many will be happy to see her back.
Kingsman: The Golden Circle has many issues, but killing off Roxy, especially as she is such a beloved character is so stupid. I mean destroying all of Kingsman in its first sequel is dumb, but additionally depriving fans of one of the best characters from the first movie is simply mind boggling.
Damn! You beat me to it. I was going to say, “For those who agree with the No. 3 pick, Kong: Skull Island, I was going to suggest a look at John Boorman’s Hell In The Pacific. The movie lost money, but is now considered a classic, getting many repeats throughout the 1970’s on TV due to its popularity with audiences. Before that, Lee Marvin and Boorman did that other seminal gangster classic, Point Blank. It’s one of those, “What could have beens,” now, because Boorman and Marvin remained life long friends and always planned to work together again, but they never got their time tables together. Yet, if Hell In The Pacific had been a success, I’m fairly sure that Hollywood producers and money men would have done all they could to remove obstacles and put them in a room together. Point Blank got a mixed response from critics, but managed to make money, and that’s now considered a true classic too, which it is.
But, as you suggested, Hell in The Pacific is pretty much that movie everybody wants, but without the monsters.
I'm just going to point out that it's not actually confirmed Roxie died in The Golden Circle, so there's a chance she's still alive and could show up in the next movie (which is confirmed to be in development)
I don't care how thick your nostalgia glasses are, there is no reason to find a spiderman movie good when characters ARGUE WITH THEIR COSTUMES.
actually I wish *Once Upon a time...* would have focused on Daltons career in Italy. Now that's a story
I watched Magnificent Seven. Vincent and Ethan were my favorites.
Tombstone Val Kilmer Doc Holliday.
The only character I was even mildly interested in, in "Kingsman" was Roxy.
Roxy bumped down for Sandman? Who ever said I want more Sandman?
Justice for Roxy!
From what I've heard the next Hunger Games book and movie is going to be about a young Haymitch and the games he won. I am so into this idea, crossing my fingers that it's going to be amazing!
My top ten supporting roles I wish the film was centred on:
1 Garland Greene in Con Air
2. Drexl in True Romance
3. The Hitman in Tomorrow Never Dies
4. Steve Bushemi in The Wedding Singer
5. The Jamaican guy in Belly
6. Tilda Swinton in Trainwreck
7. Archie and Maggie in Naked
8. Chop top in Texas Chainsaw Massacre 2
9. The Mystery Man in Lost Highway
10. Vinnie Jones in Eurotrip
I forgot about Deathstroke in Justice League
OUATIH is centered on Cliff as much as Rick in my opinion.
I would like to nominate the lady with the ROCKET-LAUNCHING WHEELCHAIR in Steel.
Predators is an A+ movie and I will die on this hill.
Great point on Noland from Predators (not a bad movie on the whole), that's a guy whose backstory and own movie I'd like to see!
I suspect if someone gets around to making a hero/villain called "The Toaster," Sandman will get replaced as Ewen's favourite.
Vincent D'Onofrio-Jack Horne! Thank you!
Haymitch Abernathy might be getting his story told. The Hunger Games: Sunrise on the Reaping is supposed to be set during the Second Quarter Quell. On bookshelves March 18th, 2025. In theatres November 20th, 2026.
Just remembered the original 80s Predator started filming as a sequal to commando which was changend during production only arnies constume was left from the 1st movie
Roxy!
Im just going to say this had The X-men left Mystique as a self-serving villain as she is in the comics she would have remained a compelling character. Plus her powers are more in line with espionage and assassination than saving the world.
The same day this was posted, a Hunger Games movie about Haymitch was confirmed.
Supporting roles becoming leads is how you get the shit Pirates of the Caribbean sequels
Terminator Dark Fate: imagine the movie being about the terminator cut off from the future stranded in the past making a life for himself! The possibilities are unlimitless!
100% agree on Spidey 3. The Sandman storyline felt like it was on track to continue the quality of Spidey 2 but was then completely derailed Venom & water it was they had Tobey doing for most of that film. 🤦♂️
Doomhead from Rob Zombie's *31* should have just had his own movie. His scenes are the only parts worth watching.
Top shelf
I'd like to see a list where Studio interference actually HELPED the movie... Can you even find 10 of those? lol
The hunger games writer is (or has) actually written (or is writing) another prequel focusing on haymitch(?).
Val Kilmer's Doc Holliday should be number 1 on this list
I'm no doubt in the minority, but I actually think Sandman should have been removed in favour of Venom and Harry Osborn being a duo (at first) given that those are the two with actual reasons to wanna murder Spider-Man. Sandman joining Venom makes no sense. He says "he didn't want this" and yet clearly he did because he did it.
Absolutely loved Parker posey in scream 3 it was an odd installment of the franchise, not just because of Courtney cox's fringe... The kingsman, I loved the first one, meh for the golden circle
I agree with the top 2
Agreed on foxusing on Marko; that would have been a bettter film. I still like the version released though.
Quicksilver was the best part of the Xmen Prequels,Dark Phoenix essentially cutting him out of the movie almost immediately was one of many huge missteps
Once Upon A Time in Hollywood should've cut the Sharon Tate subplot entirely and given more time to Pitt and DiCaprio
Fun fact the Lawrence Fishburn character was originally written for Danny Glover to return as Harrigan from predator 2
Magneto was the best part of the x men prequels. Fox Quicksilver is more of an action set piece than a fully developed character
@@rorylynch7775 yeah he was great until this last two movies where he just repeated the same character arc of living a peaceful life before someone disrupts it then he turns heel before turning good in the 3rd Act then at the end Charles offers him a place at the X mansion but he turns it down yet despite all he did their friendship is still intact
If bougie bias, racism, and deceptive propaganda weren't enough, Ewan just gave us another reason to boycott the current excuses for Scream films. This is less of a case to bring back Parker Posey and more one that we didn't need Kirby.
With Disney obsessed with female leads, why can we not get a No time to die - Paloma spinn-off with Ana de Armas?
When are you going to get timestamps on your videos!?! Very frustrating.
at least we got sandman in no way home
Predators was awesome its only downfall was brody.
I likes Brody in the movie.
Please say Godzilla again….cause I’m 100% sure it’s not “Godziller”
I thought Roxy was at the wedding?!?
“Centred”?
Yes. That's how the word is spelled.
@@thembill8246 nope. It’s supposed to be spelled *centered
Rather fun to watch, but. I feel like it's almost always recent ish movies, and too many in the blockbuster department.
Aldo the apache
Wait. Wait. Wait a second. Margot Robbie putting in an “outstanding. Performance” ??? Are you guys smoking your own stash? She barely has any lines and it’s essentially our perfect director doing a love letter to 60s starlets and miniskirts. The camera following her around driving, going to a movie of herself (as the character) or dancing and hamming it up for the camera the entire time… hardly a stellar performance on any level when it’s basically a Hollywood set symbol playing a Hollywood sex symbol being herself. Only thing that took talent is not speaking with her Australian accent.
You can’t do a haimich prequel for hunger games because the performance of the character is highly dependent on the delivery by the actor. Any prequel would have to recast for a younger haimich and it would NOT be woody Harrelson and would not be the same performance…thus a waste of time.
Literally, every other character in Kingdom of Heaven was more interesting than Balian.
Han from Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift should've been on the list. He was by FAR the best thing about that movie, had more charisma, charm, coolness than the ENTIRE cast put together, but instead it was about Sean, a bland, generic, forgettable character that couldn't hold a light to Han. That's why you see Han in the other movies, NOT Sean, so they've screwed up BIG time for not making him the lead of Tokyo Drift.
Personally, number 2 and number 1 should be switched PERIOD
No, WhatCulture
All the ways The Golden Circle failed its audience… let me count them! Definitely 1 of the worst sequels, given the high bar for unabashed entertainment set by its predecessor!
“Comprised of” isn’t a thing. Hire better writers.
Days of Future Past was not a good movie, I feel like people are talking about a different movie
Once Upon a Time was unwatchable
You giving Days of Future Past a pass on butchering the story from the source issues is pretty amazing coming from a "knowledgeable" comic book reader. Spider-Man 2 was nearly perfect. The nonsense with his failing powers was complete rubbish and distracted from an otherwise great film.
They had to kill off Roxy because it would be a perceived love interest for Eggsy. And since he was married to or engaged to the princess of Sweden, after a little butt sex, it would make zero sense to keep her in the movie and essentially ruin the chemistry with eggsy and princess, much less confuse the audience and perhaps make it so the audience would not be rooting for him to kill off the villain in time to save his love from the tainted drugs she took.
My god. 3 in a row I’ve had to disprove. This list sucks. Do you do any research on your lists or just spout them out for ad revenue?
Women can be in movies without being the love interest! Movies can have more than 1 female character.