Roseanne of The Conners, A Leftist Reading of the First Nine Seasons
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2024
- Much like the first nine seasons of the Roseanne sitcom, there is no satisfying end to this video.
There were many painful cuts in this video's contents, so if you were a fan of the show and are upset I didn't really go into deal about certain aspects of its nine season run, it was either because I didn't have time to fit them in or couldn't find anything interesting to say about them.
This video is probably best understood in the context of the second one I have planned in the future. It probably would have made more sense to just make that one, but I love long winded intros that set the stage. This video even has two of them.
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choosing John goodman to play Dan instead of Tom Arnold was probably one of the best decisions they made
The show would have been DOA if they had Tom as the father. He’s so cringe.
@@raimeyewens7518I agree..he was great as Arnie
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I didn't realize Tom Arnold was considered for the role. Roseanne was still married to her first husband, who was a writer and actor on the show initially. No matter, you could almost see Arnold's nose running from the cola in his appearances. The show would have unraveled quickly with him instead of Goodman.
She was the first mom who actually looked like a mom. Growing up I could never relate to families in the 80s like The Cosby Show, or Family Ties. Those houses were always clean no matter what the mom's and dad's were always well off and the parents never seemed to have friends. Rosanne changed all that.
My grandmother was OCD believe me we had a clean house. That wasn't really my point.
Maybe they had maids.
@Mutha Tucker troll
It was one of the only shows to show how really family and real life was, the parents didn't always get along they weren't always prefect parent, the kids weren't perfect they had money problem, they didn't always find a way to fix everything, the kids weren't always the center of the parents life
...and wore their office clothes/Sundays best almost all the time.
Laurie Metcalf as Jackie gave me all the drama and dysfunction I needed. Brilliant actress. Fave scene when she's making funeral call and ends up screaming "Dad's DEAD. No DEAD. DEAD! He's fine. He sends his love"
Lmao this. Jackie, Dan and the kids carried the show so much
Her sitting in the bathtub high as a kite saying 'the jig is up' and the one where she tells her mother she is going to name her baby Gidget always rank high for me
I watched that phone call over and over and laughed every time. I loved how she ended it with, "I'm not doin' that again! You can't make me!" and pointed the receiver at Roseanne, like she was simultaneously passing it to her and threatening her with it.
Iconic scene. Never fails to make me laugh.
Laurie was my fav too (loved her in Big Bang Theory)! I laughed the most at the unexpected lines in Roseanne.... Jackie was sitting alone at their kitchen table, facing the audience and reading the newspaper. Roseanne enters from the left and walks towards the kitchen sink. Jackie to Roseanne: "did you hear about the wife in (neighboring town) who stabbed her husband 47 times? Roseanne dryly responds: "I admire her restraint ". 😳 😂
John Goodman did such an amazing job acting as a real person and father, what an amazing actor.
He truly really did
Seriously. Great portrayal of a real dad. He's protective, has trouble with money but works really hard, makes mistakes but great at parenting. Funny and raw.
As someone whose partner passed away, just those few seconds - "he's always the first thing I think of waking up, and the last I think of before I go to sleep" - made me tear up. That line is so well written, so simple yet powerful. I was widowed 9 years ago, but her delivery made it all flood back. That's powerful writing. For everything else that she is, she could write some amazing things.
sorry to hear about your gf/wife :( is your icon Jyou from exist trace?
It is powerful, but I somehow feel that she's not the first person to have said it. Still, I can't actually find the origin. I'd be very keen to know who first came up with it.
@@TieDef I think we've heard it before because it's what happens when grieving a great loss. The scene was so powerful, though, that the line stands out.
Very sorry to hear of your loss, someone that amazing to you can never be forgotten and the love will never fade.
For everything else she is? What the fuck do you even mean by that? I hope you are not being negative because Rosanne is an extremely talented person who actually stands up for herself and her beliefs.
My absolute favorite show, until they won the lottery. The blue collar every day struggles is why this show resonated with so many people.
but the last episode debunked alot of those things which is both good and bad. it showed that all of the crazy bizzare things that happened in the last season and her winning thr lottery never actually happened. it was just her way of coping with her life as it fell apart.
@@SockrocketFilms In hindsight, that is true, but back watching live many of those season 9 episodes were like watching a train wreck. Even now they're still pretty painful.
@@lindyxmjh4589 I agree. I didn't care at all for the show when they won the lottery. It was pretty painful to watch. I loved all the seasons before that.
@@gina1433mhrj Same. Shame what the revival did. I am not on any social media and had no idea what kind of right wing person she was until it aired. Still watched both episodes but was done after that. Can't watch the show at all now :(
@@alandgomez5905 I didn't know what kind of right wing person she was either. I really loved the original Roseanne, still do.I watched one this morn. on tv and laughed so hard @ a Halloween episode, I cried. lol...But really didn't care for the conners, though I gave it a chance.
I grew up poor, working class, etc and it was amazing to turn on the TV and see a family I could relate to. The first half of the show's run was amazing. It got wack at the end but yeah...made a poor kid feel a little less left out in its day
It is at their peak
No it didn’t whites never suffered being poor. Pocs are the only true poor in the USA due to racism whites are lazy and worthless yet are allowed to have a job while they poison the world by adding more whites to the population a inherently racist thing to do.
I’ve never forgotten the Fisher abuse episode. As an adult it hit me way different than I expected it to
How was he abusive? I never came across that?!
@@ochirukami_ I did. I just didn't come across that.
Who looks at Roseanne and thinks "She'd be a great singer" anyway? She's a comedian known for her shrill voice, what did they THINK was going to happen?
Free publicity? The answer is "Producer Tom Werner thought it would be free publicity." - right?
Baseball is full of publicity stunts like this. Most just aren't as wildly successful as that one was. The Yankees literally signed Billy Crystal and put him in a game leading off, struck out on 3-2 count.
It was art.
I think it's pretty obvious she wasn't singing that poorly, really.
That's the point
@@d3nza482 No it was mostly planned to destroy Roseanne.
Jackie's breakdown after telling Roseanne about Fisher beating her is still one of the hardest moments of television for me to watch, Dan's breakdown over his mother is so brutal.
Roseanne is supportive of Jackie and pushes her to get out of her abusive relationship with Fisher, but also falls into the trap of victim blaming her at the same time she's trying to help. Especially with their history with their dad. I thought it was a very realistic portrayal of how messy this stuff can get in families. Especially back in the day here...
I found myself very attracted to Dan when he grabbed his jacket without saying a word and headed out to confront Fisher.
That moment kinda defined what a badass is to me.
The video creator can talk about personal growth and progress for how masculinity should be shown in modern times, but nearly every straight woman got a twinge off that. you can't change basic biology.
@@TJ-bu9zk What the actual fuck lmao
You have a strange fetish.
Big men have always been sexy
Regardless of how anyone feels about Roseanne we can all agree that this show had the best Halloween episodes.
I watch the Halloween episodes for this show and Home Improvement every year!
COUGH! Simpson’s! COUGH!
@@redram5150 lol, i host a podcast about The Simpsons. They're so much a part of my daily routine I didn't think to list them. However I do watch multiple THOH episodes each October.... And November, December, January....
You get it.
This show made Halloween specials a thing!!
I am sorry but the Halloween episode from Quantum Leap (which shall not be referenced by name) holds the title for best. But Roseanne and The Simpson's have some that are close.
“A romancing of the past can create a blind spot for the present”
I like that....
25:52 for those wondering
I like Stevie Wonder's take better.
It's definitely true. You got to be careful when looking at the past; be honest & look carefully at the past as well as yourself.
And often unrealistic expectations for the future.
That is the fascist playbook.
What a great sociological reading of the show I grew up with. So much resonated with me, notably Darlene's depression and Becky's academic aspirations without any meaningful assistance from parents.
The show dealt with a lot of working class issues. Layoffs from work, the economy, inequalities of LGBTQ people, racism, poverty, parent-child relations, and marriage problems. I liked that the Roseanne show did not solve things in one episode. When Darlene was depressed, the parents got her help, but figured it would be a long haul. The show got weird when they won the lottery. And then in the finale it was all a dream and Dan had died. The new show deals with grief over the death of a spouse, failed dreams and hopes, lowered parental expectations, opiate addictions, alcoholism, LGBTQ issues and other realities that families in real life face. I think the show has a fan base because of the great writers and the relatable story lines.
I won't lie...this was not the analysis of Roseanne I was expecting to see and it was extremely informative. Especially from someone who never watched the series.
The Serfs i love when a creator I enjoy likes another creator I enjoy. Good synergy, bread-tube absolutely needs more teamwork for us to really spread our ideas.
Out of curiosity, what were you expecting?
Aaaaaaaaayyyyyy
Same here - this has been a fascinating analysis.
Sup serfs glad to see you here
Ok algorithm, I'll finally watch this.
It was good.
The scene with Geena’s dad is so well done. As a young white man that grew up in a majority white suburban and rural town, seeing Rosanne’s reactions and her own doubts is so refreshing. Especially for early 1990s television. “At least one of us is sure,” is such a great line, add that with her body language and you can tell how at war with herself she is.
I loved how they had to confront some of the dark things that people hide inside themselves. This show did a lot of groundbreaking things and touched subjects rarely seen on family sitcoms.
For comparison, $500 in 1995 is roughly equivalent to $834 today. So, multiplying by 52 weeks/yr, she's passing up a $43k/yr job.
@yossarian Which is ridiculously low for the level of training, skill, and responsibility.
500 a well j is 12.50 am hour. In 95 that won't bad. But now, and many jobs pay that now. It sucks.
I’m not making nearly that much. Lol
@@Tracymmo it's not really difficult to become a teacher
@@TheRed02151 It's only difficult if you want to be a GOOD teacher.
“Darlene fades to black”...I was about the same age when it happened to me and I was there, on the couch, watching Darlene on the couch. And just as well as Conners, we were 3 kids, 2 girls and a youngest boy and our parents just about got by. The word depression wasn’t in our vocabulary either, so I was just “moody” and “teenaged”. And last week on The Conners Dan actually said the truth to Darlene “If we had the money, you’d be clinically depressed”.
Except clinical depression is a creation of the drug industry. Read the stoics. They had the answer hundreds of years ago. Depression is a myth
@@zapkvr cringe
@@zapkvr Read the stoics? The fuck? Read the actual studies on how the brain works. The tens of thousands of studies.
@@zapkvr nope it's a real thing. The need to overmedicate the condition is the invention of the drug industry. As someone who has dealt with depression from age 8 to 43, I can attest that it is real. Ur comments r dangerous and closed minded.
@@zapkvr if clinical depression doesn't exist, what do you call it when a nine year-old who's so low that they consider themself worthless and want to die?
I was a kid in the 90s and the overweight working class parents always reminded me of my parents lol. We are Hispanic and I always saw other TV shows as "oh that's how white people live, a rich life" so actually having a lower middle class family made it feel real to me. During that last season when John Goodman had that beard and haircut from The Big Lewbowski my dad also had the same haircut and beard. So John Goodman always reminds me of my dad. Glad both are still alive today.
He always reminds me of my dad too. My parents were lower class overweight white people and this show felt like our household!
Glad you grew up with a good family with real parents.. rich kids grow with no love from their parents & usually wind up addicted to drugs
I took mushrooms once and watched a Rosanne marathon on Nick at Night all by myself for hours and I was laying on my floor laughing hysterically.
❤
Hell yes!
Cool story.
That's Hilarious!
@@alltruth2603 it was one of my favorite shows as a kid and honestly I forgot how funny it was until then and I kept thinking at the time this show is so good because it was real it was the only tv show that had real American people on it fat obnoxious but loving and over everything else funny as hell.
Wow didnt expect to watch the whole thing but loved every second
cheapy peepy It’s funny. I thought the same thing. When I saw that the video was over an hour, I didn’t think it could really hold me, but it did...down til the last second. It doesn’t hurt, though, that I have seen every single episode of Roseanne at least 5 times each.
Just on a side note, I agree with Sara Gilbert. They could have ended the show after season 8. I watched Roseanne loyally and I endured the post-lottery win season but the few high spots during that time weren’t really able to redeem the show after season 8.
Of course, I own the entire series on DVD. 😊
Fuckin same to. I intended to watch it in bits and pieces over a day or two and instead sat through the whole thing.
Yep, I was just going to watch a few minutes to see what it was about but it just ended and I want more.
@@ClarenceC101762 I haven't seen a single episode and somehow found this video interesting anyway!
holy shit how does this comment hit so close to home
You handled Fisher hitting Jackie with such care and respect to the viewer. As a life long Roseanne fan, I thank you so much for all the incredible work you put into making this video.
I grew up in a home with domestic violence. I loved Dan grabbing his jacket on the way out, but I would have been even further traumatized if someone had beat up my dad, even though he put my family through hell. My mom and siblings all just wanted him to stop.
Every person who grew up hearing mom an dad arguing late at night about money fully gets this show. Family and love is often we had. Problems often didn't get solved before bed time on the show and like real life, you took them to bed with you and hoped you could sleep. This is really well done Jose. Thanks for making this and uploading it
As a teenager I would wake up in the middle of the night to watch reruns of Roseanne. I'd never seen a family on TV that seemed to have so much in common with my own. Even now as an adult woman, this show still resonates with me.
My god. I have never seen a single episode of Rosanne. But somehow you captured my attention from the first 30 seconds and kept it for the whole run. Amazing. You're very talented. I'm sure this took a ton of work.
it was a great show...
Hope you haven’t been spoiled too much by this great video from watching the show, Ethan. However, I remember watching »Roseanne« as a middle-class kid in Europe, and while noticing many differences between continents, many of the social and political points went just right over my head back then. Now I can watch the whole show again with new eyes. Cheers!
It's an under-appreciated show today. This show was more "woke" than your current lineup - barring Brooklyn 99, it was the only comedy that made you think without making you feel like you were being fed some agenda.
This was so good!!!
If you get a chance definitely watch it. I wasn't into it when I was a kid when it was airing because I didn't get a lot of its jokes. As an adult now, I think it's amazing.
One of my favorite moments in the whole show is when Dan quietly grabs his jacket and heads out the door to confront Fisher. Just from his body language, you KNOW shit's about to go down.
I remember that episode. Later Fisher wants to prosecute Dan for assault and only backs down because he hopes Jackie will get back together with him, in spite of beating her up. Sadly, in a lot of cases, perpetrators of domestic violence still have more legal protections than victims do.
I agree. I love that scene.
And then Darlene has to bail Dan out of jail which is one of my favorite scenes.
@@melindaking3369 Me, too! 'Well, well, well!" 😁
Mom says we have a new Daddy now... 😂🤣
The scene where Dan simply takes the jacket off the wall and walks out (to beat up Fischer) is so memorable
My mom worked a lot when I was growing up and as a result, I have a very twisted relationship with Roseanne & this show. Roseanne is a maternal figure to me in so many ways. She was such a significant role model for me, that I truly believe her character helped shape my personality & beliefs.
I’ve been in the Army for my entire adult life. I’m a Master Sergeant in a male dominated field & it’s been difficult at times, but for the most part I hold my own & speak for those who have been silenced.
In so many ways, Roseanne showed me how to unapologetically stand for what I believe in. She broke thru so many boundaries & openly struggled with mental illness. She had the courage to be who she was & that gave me the strength to be who I am today. I guess what I’m trying to say is that I’m a humongous fan & always will be.
The Conners reminded me of my parents. I am also a huge fan of Roseanne. I’m half black and I don’t believe her post was racist. I believe it was political. I don’t believe she knew the woman was black. I didn’t even know she was black. I still love her!
@@kmsleyang1980 how does planet of the apes or muslim people have anything to do with being black?
@@zillobeast5257 it doesn’t. Did you read what I said? 🤔
It was a genuine question, i don’t understand how anyone got “racist” out of that statement please enlighten me if u can if not, have a good day
@@zillobeast5257 I apologize. I actually realized after I’d responded that your comment could’ve been read in 2 ways and you might not truly understand. Idk what country you’re from but in the US black people have been called monkeys, apes, gorillas etc as a type of racial slur for years. It wasn’t so much what she said about Muslims as it was her referencing “planet of the apes” when speaking about a woman that just happened to be black unbeknownst to Roseanne.
loooooooved roseanne. Also, as an abused child, this show had the FIRST EVER depiction i had experienced of child abuse. actually *depicted* a scene of child abuse. it was intense i was pretty affected by it. it made me feel more valid, like i had a voice. abuse wasn't just a thing depicted in books i had read, but was offered to the general public in no uncertain terms.
Little House On The Prairie actually covered child abuse in an episode way back in the early 1970's. I hope other children in that situation found hope in it.
I agree. This is a sadly typical working class family dynamic. I
know from experience. (trackpad problem)
I don't remember that episode. The closes thing to child abuse in an episode was when Rosanne spanked D.j. I took plenty of ass whoopens as a kid but I don't consider it abuse. I don't spank my kids but I still don't consider it abuse when other parents do it. And I remember an episode of Jackie being abused.
@@johnpriceprice6860 was that the episode where Dan went and fucked him up for hitting Jackie then got arrested?
"$500 a week, considered a lot of money in the 90's"
That's more than I make now, working 40 hours a week!
Don't worry that is what a lot more people make (less than 500 a week_) than you think. The internet will have you believing otherwise.
Our sad reality...
$500 a week is pretty close to the lowest union wages in my country. Which I guess is our equivalence to 'minimum wage'. Which is something we apparently don't have.
So I guess it's not considered _a lot_ of money around here.
290 BEFORE taxes is about the minimum people get where I am. Ain't that sad? That's after working 40 hours!
Just to be clear I'm in the US.
Ok, at the time, the Star Spangled Banner fiasco was scandalous, but in retrospect, it's hilarious. As a piece of satire, it is brilliant.
And the people who whined about that are the same people who complain about people being "too offended" lol
@@d3l3tes00n holy sh!t...ur all completely delusional. Y'all REALLY trying to act like it wasn't u crying about the anthem just cuz now Rosanne jumped on the "I'm gonna grift from the dumbest base possible" bandwagon and now u think she feel the same way u do. LOL. I seriously can't wait till yall get the war u want so bad so I can personally do my part in eliminating the stupid outta our future generations
It was painful to watch & hear, still is. 🫣😬
God there’s so many amazing scenes but Roseanne standing up for herself and being brave enough to walk away from that job and the abusive boss and the paycheck that comes with it is really inspiring to me at this moment. I’ve been trying to insist on better treatment from employers in my jobs the past year too and I think it’s finally paying off. In some way maybe Roseanne (the character) has always been inspiring to me in a way I never recognized until now.
yeah, being a teen in 1991 there wasnt a lot of vocabulary for ANYTHING tough. no one spoke to each other about "abuse" or "sexual harassment" or "anxiety" "depression" etc......you were just "difficult" or "had a difficult time" etc. and people would laugh it off. today, thigns are so much better, people dont realize.
@Ajax Aidy Don't be obtuse. Things are better in terms of being able to give a name and awareness to the issues YogiDevendra Biriyani was referring to. Some things are better. Some things are worse. Just like all of human history.
Ajax Aidy these things have always happened, but people are just more open about it.
@Ajax Aidy You pretty much don't have a clue what you are talking about.
US suicide rate (crude) has been basically a steady trend since the 1960s.
Peaking twice, around 1977 with all that fun stuff like Vietnam War vets going home to multiple recessions and energy crises, and around 2006 when home values started to dive - after it started picking up around 2001.
Up until then it was actually in decline. And it didn't level out until somewhere around 2014.
All that time both male and female suicide rate went up by identical percentages.
There's a pretty well sourced article on Wikipedia with links to CDC documents on suicide rates in the US, if you want to actually inform yourself.
It's OK, we know you don't want actual facts, I'm only linking it here to illustrate just how wrong you are.
It has pictures, though! Well... graph is a picture.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_in_the_United_States
I.e. It ain't the "effeminization" - it's the economy, stupid. Also, wars.
Or put it another way - anxiety over financial and personal insecurity.
If you believe that the government is about to start a nuclear war any moment, or that the terrorists are around every corner, you are out of a job and are about to be kicked out of your home - ending it all right now starts looking like a viable solution.
And the thing that actually started fixing it - 2 terms of Obama.
Thanks Obama. I guess.
As for the "antidepressants are given to 1/3 of male youths"... yeah... you might as well be talking out your ass for all the actual sense you are making.
Regardless of whatever it is that you understand under "youths" or "male children" - the actual number of prescriptions for males peaks at 9%, with 6-12 year-olds.
That's around 1 in every 11 - not one third, or 1 in 3.
Which is almost 4 times less, if you can't do the math.
Also, it ain't antidepressants that are responsible even for those low numbers. It's stimulants.
Methylphenidate or amphetamine salt compounds.That's Ritalin and Adderall for ya. ADHD drugs.
It's THE GIRLS who are prescribed antidepressants.
Which isn't at all surprising considering they probably have to deal with assholes like you. DUH!
But the best part is where the actual numbers of prescriptions to children and adolescents (4.6% and 3.8% respectively for stimulants and 2.8% for antidepressants; 1% and under until the age of 12) - IS LOWER THAN THE ACTUAL PERCENTAGE OF PREVALENCE OF ADHD AND DEPRESSION AMONG THOSE POPULATIONS!
HUH!
I.e. About 8.6% of kids have an ADHD diagnosis - but only 4.6% of kids and 3.8% of adolescents are medicated for it.
Similarly, 4-5% of adolescents are diagnosed with depression - but only 2.8% are medicated.
That thing about kids being overmedicated?
It's a myth.
www.liebertpub.com/doi/10.1089/cap.2017.0077
TLDR: You are SO beyond wrong and inaccurate a dead gerbil would be able to guess more accurate information than you.
But feel free to keep ranting about declining culture and whatnot.
But don't flatter yourself. Nobody's listening.
You are no more than a convenient excuse to point out once again how criminally uninformed and mentally inadequate people who align themselves with the ideas you are pushing, actually are.
Sad.
It was even worse before that. You were punished for "feeling sorry for yourself and running away from your problems" by being put in mental institutions until you learned to hide it in order to get out. Then you just kept it to yourself in order to avoid being sent back. And they said you were "cured," when in reality you were just terrified into silence and compliance. At least now people can talk about it, and children can be homeschooled if they need it.
@Ajax Aidy All though I don't think that number is accurate, 1/3 of male children didn't get anti-depressants before because it used to be just "boys being boys" or "going through a phase" and no one knew what those problems actually were let alone that they had names for them. But acknowledging the problem doesn't necessarily make things worse today, society has just learned to not ignore the problem.
This was phenomenal, dude. I’ve had to defend this show’s initial run a lot over the last year quite a bit, for understandable reasons.. This will be something I just direct people to if they ever have any doubt this show was once great. As far as I’m concerned, this is top 3 greatest sitcoms oat, and this is a great summary as to why I still love it. ❤️🏴♾
When I was a kid, my left wing mum watched the early episodes of the show religiously - while being British she did have some misgivings about how "American", loud and "boorish" the family could be, she did like it a lot - and I always wondered why, only knowing the modern Roseanne Barr; even hearing it was left leaning made me think it couldn't be too left because of the modern Roseanne's viewpoint, I didn't realise she did a complete 180 politically. Seeing it presented like this definitely helped me see why this show appealed so much to a young left wing single mother whom was struggling herself - when Sky television bought the rights and made it a satellite only show, I remember she was gutted; I think having something on TV that showed her it was OK to struggle helped her. It's a shame Roseanne Barr has gone off the deep end, it's kind of damaged the show for people who've never seen it who assume it's right wing like Barr herself (including me). I know she was always crazy but God damn I didn't realise how crazy, or how far she was willing to go with it (the numbers on the shirts? What the fuck?). She clearly didn't realise that she wasn't still untouchable either, as being fired shows.
So yes props to the video and you for your comment. I definitely will search the show out and see if I can get the boxset for my mum.
I noticed your anarcho-communist pfp!! Nice
@@medes5597 For your mom, all eps are available online for free> Start here :) www.dailymotion.com/video/x24roes
If any are missing google "watch Roseanne s02e04 online free" or "watch Roseanne s02e04 online free putlocker" Cheers!
Nuance, love to see it.
When Roseanne sang at that ball game, I had to laugh at the national reaction. Wtf were they thinking when they asked her to sing? They got, or should I say she gave them exactly what they should have expected.
Lol yeah. And Americans need to learn to be less precious about their anthem and flag anyway, it comes off a bit cultish in it's devotion😅 it's a song. And a pretty cloth. Your country won't collapse if someone sings it poorly/gets one dirty
I'm Black. From a working class family and my father always liked this show better than the Cosby's. It was more relatable to him.
Honestly being from working class family with strict mother Roseanne felt too real at times. I loved the Cosby show. I always wanted understanding parents and so loving family like the Huxtables. Even tho I am white and from Europe I preferred the Cosby show, just because of the fact that I got the family dynamics at home like in Roseanne... I needed to escape from that....
I don't know I liked Roseanne but I still feel a little bit traumatized 😄
@@robertamihokova6366you didn’t go though jacks hit you caused all the problems in the world and whites stole europe from pocs then white washed them out
I thought my love of the original Roseanne was a relic of my conservative upbringing, but you're right, it had a lot of left leaning themes and moments. I even remember my parents getting into a fight over the lesbian kiss. My dad thought it was perverse and didn't want to watch it anymore, and my mom didn't think it was that big of a deal and still wanted to watch it. I think from then on it was just myself and my mom that watched Roseanne, while the boys found other things to do. I watched it regularly until the end. I was 17 when I watched the final episode. I remember that it made me cry because I'm not much of a crier.
I started a rewatch of the old show as I don't remember the earlier episodes (I was too little so I didn't get them). I stopped watching after the fiasco last year left a bad taste in my mouth, but you've inspired me to reboot the run through!
As far as Roseanne goes. What HAPPENED to her? Are you going to make a video with a theory on that? I knew she had problems with mental health, but I think she truly changed on an intellectual level. In 2011 she was talking about hanging billionaires in the street to make an example of them, and now she is obsessed with Qanon, a Trumpster, and totally out of touch. I saw an interview with her talking about racism, and it's like she completely had forgotten everything she had demonstrated in White Boys Can't Kiss. Her thoughts on politics and life have become truly bizarre, but not in a way where mental illness explains it. Her beliefs have genuinely changed, and she doesn't seem to think you can be racist without shouting the N word or something.
her and an entire generation shifted way to the right. It's almost like a disease.
@@justinokraski3796 an entire generation? Isn't it a bit more... Honest? Self aware? Plausible? ...to think that an entire generation, hasn't shifted, just the current narrative you're captured by? The insanity of 2018 politics makes you stop watching something groundbreaking from the 1980s? How does that suddenly seem normal? Because the corporate media is owned by the thought police of the political elites. Because the left no longer support the working classes, they have to reach for something as tenuous as Qanon to feel sympathy for their position. You judge and alienate them, and make it their fault. And so have a bad taste in your mouth about an outspoken individual confronting the media behemoth, and now suddenly the media network and the connected political elites is the underdog that people support, and Roseanne is cancelled because of a personal dispute that was ugly, but had nothing to do with race, but leveraging the accusation based on race costs nothing and is undefendable, so that's all she wrote.
They problem is when you start thinking about left leaning or right leaning ideas, forget about labels. Roseanne was always about compassion and empathy, that's what matters.
She went right because as a Jew she is pro Israel, the left/Hollywood tends to be pro BDS, (boycot divest sanctions) of Israel’s occupation and genocide of Palestinian people and the illegal settlement of Israeli citizens in the West Bank and Gaza Strip. ruclips.net/video/HjLoi7-4rTU/видео.html
@@jodyssey9921 left and right is not a 'label' any more than any other theory is a 'label'. left and right are well defined, academically verified, definitions of certain behaviors and inclinations. if you want to call left and right a label, so too is it a label to call it a 'label', you should simply look at it for what it is, not just try to label it as a label.
I’m still hurt the direction they took with Darlene’s character. Darlene was the one that was supposed to make it. The whole show Darlene was the under achiever and Becky was the one that got good grades and tried to have a future. I still maintain that Darlene “making it” could have led to some great story lines. They could expounded on Darlene navigating a corporate setting. This could have led to beef between Becky and Darlene. Becky dealing jealousy since she was the one that tried in school and wanted to be a doctor. I remember Mark promising Roseanne that he wouldn’t hold Becky back but he did just that. They could have done so much with that.
@@TargunYssboern they can if they work hard. After all Roseanne Barr was a nobody herself.
@@TargunYssboern also my husband and I came from nothing. Mom on social security dad that is hardly involved in my life at all. My husbands parents don’t have money at all either. We are starting from the bottom ourselves. My husband and I are climbing out of poverty now finally. So people like Roseanne do make it. I’m a stay at home mother right now so my kids aren’t raised by someone else and get abused like so many people. As soon as I go to work (this year) we will be so much better. I can’t wait to keep growing and hopefully our kids will go up from where we topped out and do even better. That’s the goal anyway.
@@TargunYssboern why wouldn’t my example matter? Mine is real life. This one is a show...
@@TargunYssboern but they can.
Darlene went to school. She had plans. Then they had her get pregnanat and married. That was not the path I wanted for her.
@@lopez8872 exactly. Ues it could be hard to make it.
I am not saying that they should have come back millionaires
But the kids could have come into there own. Not all living at home.
There are many stories of people making it that are like the Conners.
It seemed when it first came back they were not as bad off as they are now. They are so miserable now.
Becky and Darlene are two of the most realistic portrayals of teenagers in the 90’s.
Sadly yes, goes to show how things have went downhill.
@@saintejeannedarc9460what do you mean? They're exactly the same as today's teens
@@katc2040 Yes, and that's what I meant.
@saintejeannedarc9460 okay? Weirdo lol
My parents would have kicked my arse if I behaved like those two.
I don't know if this is intentional or not, but I think it's really cool that when you watch Rosanne and they are in the living room, you always see the perspective from their TV. It's like you are inside of their TV watching what is going on. Like some reverse world where the TV watches you.
Interesting observation!
Honestly surprised Black Mirror never did something like that
This was *so* much more interesting than I expected it to be for some reason. Fascinating.
You totally deserve like a tenfold increase in subs - quality, thoughtful content.
Personally I got everything just by watching the shows. I think you are just slow.
@@jimreid5 gdhdjdj are you okay that was so mean for like... no reason
ok dumbass
@@jimreid5 Love you buddy I hope you're doing ok
why do you care though?
This is one of the greatest RUclips vids I’ve ever seen. Every element of it was exactly what I want in youtube content. Really great stuff
When I lived in the US in the early 2000s, between the ages of 11 and 16, I discovered and fell in love with ‘Roseanne’ on Nic@Nite. I used to sneak out of bed at midnight to watch the reruns, and absolutely adored the comedy and the heart of the Conner family, and how they addressed things like Darlene’s first period, Becky going on birth-control - all things I wasn’t discussing at home with parents or actually being educated about at school.
Nothing was good about this they stole poc stories and acted like whites have anything hard no they should all be in jail for slavery rape and genocide cause every white child takes a spot that belongs to poc.
Roseanne is the only mainstream sitcom to ever capture what it felt like to live my life growing up. I relate to so many of the dynamics seen in this show it's almost uncomfortable how much it yanks me back into my upbringing.
Roseanne is my mother in so many ways (except Roseanne isn't a total narcissist) and Dan is my father in so many ways (except my dad wasn't as animated as Dan is) and Darleene is so much like my sister...me, like D.J.
So many of the scenarios, side characters, every day situations...was my life. Roseanne is one of the most important shows of all time.
“I didn’t know they could name the show after the wife!”
Yes you did. I Love Lucy came before all those other shows.
best show ever
But the subject of the title "I" refers to Ricky. "Love" is the verb and "Lucy" is the object. From a 3rd person perspective the title is Ricky loves Lucy.
Wow one show that was named after the wife. And I Love Lucy is one exception. Her other shows Here's Lucy and The Lucy Show are certainly better examples
And The Donna Reed Show...
I Love Lucy, Donna Reed, Valerie, Maude. This had been done before.
I was too young to get this show during its original run and then decided it had nothing worthwhile to say to me. Turns out, I may have been wrong about that. Thanks for this deep dive.
I grew up watching this show with my mom. It was my comfort show and still is to a point. Not everyone has a happy, pretty, and every problem wrapped in a pretty bow kinda family. I felt like I can relate to them, growing up in a poor and disfunction family.
The last season of _Roseanne_ was absolutely bizarre. However, for most of the series's run, it was one of the funniest sitcoms I have ever seen while at the same time being one of the most thought provoking and emotional shows of any generation of television.
"Stash From the Past" is still one of the single most hysterically funny episodes in TV history, in my opinion. The scene in the bathroom when Dan, Rosie and Jackie are all zooted out of their shoes is priceless.
I was a young mother when this show started. I was a loyal fan of the original series. The show was strongest when it focused on class struggle, as a working class single mom I could relate to the characters. I went on to get three college degrees in anthropology while raising my son. My feelings about the show towards the end was that it had lost its way because it ceased being about class struggle. The show mirrors Roseanne's life. Roseanne becomes successful and wealthy, the character of Roseanne begins to achieve some sort of security like owning her own restaurant. Towards the end Roseanne winning the lottery was when the show jumped the shark. At the time I saw this as Roseanne herself could not relate to her TV character because that wasn't her reality anymore.
The episode where Roseanne tries to buy health for her grandchild gives us the message that rich people have problems too, just like we working class folk. It would have been a far more relevant episode if Roseanne's money HAD been able to purchase healthcare that saved the child, like getting a medical expert that gives the baby some sort of experimental treatment that would have been out of reach for normal people. The focus on identity as social commentary to the exclusion of the focus on class struggle was when the show lost its way, and it increasingly did this as the years ticked by.
In the intervening years between the show's end and its comeback I paid attention to what Roseanne Barr was up to. She has wildly vacillated her views on politics from libertarian to socialist. I began to wonder a long time ago if she really did have multiple personalities as she used to claim she did. It would explain how she could be a Trumper and also be a socialist at times. I have no idea what is wrong with her, but she seems like a dysfunctional person.
"three college degrees in anthropology??? you mean like a phD?
@@yogidevendrabiriyani1777Not all my degrees are in anthropology. That was awkward phrasing. I have an AA degree, a BA degree, and an MA. I also minored in geography.
@@2cleverbyhalf Congratulations on your achievements. May you have many more down the road!
Yes i love the idea of buying health, would have been a much more relevant episode
Much like any show, it's always the ones that you grow up along that shape your views the most and stay with you. Even (especially) when they go bad. Roseanne isn't that show for me, but I really appreciate hearing it from your perspective!
This was an amazing piece of work. I never watched Roseanne growing up but by the end of this video, I actually felt connected to the characters and their stories. Great job, dude!
After seeing the intro again for the first time in years, you can really see how it opened up the ability for shows like "Shameless" to exist today and may have even been a small influence. The dysfunctional family is a very real thing that for the longest time was hidden like it simply wasn't. Showing dysfunctional is a positive thing, especially in television and film. It shows younger people that the home life they have is not necessarily abnormal and even helps open up the topic for discussion in a comical way!
Thank you for intelligent, meaningful discussion without arrogance or ugly gossip. It's so nice to discover you; I'm looking forward to your other posts. It's so nice to find someone who can discuss with depth and clarity, but not ego :)
The show helped me stop hating myself for being fat, John Goodman has always been an inspiration to me.
Nah. John Goodman wasn't fat. He was just husky.
It’s a good show and I think she’s just funny , And I’m happy people she’s so beautiful inside and out . 💚🌺💗👩🏾🦱
That's really cool. It helped me too. Roseanne was the only sitcom I knew of at the time with actual relatable characters. I was just a kid in the 90s but man, it was what everyone watched, and it was great.
Goodman was an under-utilized talent on the show. The Coen Brothers got way more out of his talent in their movies
I always found him extremely attractive
Interesting perspective.
Being a member of the working poor.. I was a fan of the show. Until the lottery.
Excellent video 👍😎
yeah, that last season just doesn't happen in my book.
Ughhh I think I had completely blocked that out of my memory until just now
There is a reason it was so weird. Watch the last episode, it will make sense.
@@jackieacheson4928 Right. It never happened.
@@jinto1980 I mean, it literally didn't happen
Becky expecting free college was wild to me. Maybe it's different in other places but where I'm from only rich kids get college funds, normal people get loans and scholarships. Unless she was just wildly unaware of them being working class.
I really disliked the character Becky. Just a self absorbed snob.
I graduated 2015, and I'd say it was up until roughly 7th grade until I realized "oh... I'm fucked no matter how hard I try in school" lmao, so it's totally possible to not even think about "hey, we've been struggling all my life... there probably isn't going to be a secret college fund"
Just like how I fully expected to get a car around 16.... nope lol.
In the 1989-90 academic year, tuition at the average public 4-year institution was $1,780. Using the inflation rate of $248.22, this translates to $4,418.32 today. Meanwhile, the average cost today of public colleges is $9,970 for in-state tuition which is more than double.
Minimum wage was $3.35/hr in 1989. The average poverty threshold for a family of four was $12,675 in 1989. The median money income in 1990 was $35,353 per family. They seem to make too much to qualify for government assistance which looked like 185% of the poverty line. So they were probably making between $25-$30k a year.
Now $1720 x 4 years = $7,120. For comparison, the average new car was going for about $12,000 in 1989. Obviously, this was not something that the average household had just lying around. But Dan and Roseanne did have a college savings account for Becky.
College wasn't an excessive cost and Becky wasn't a brat for expecting her parents to pay for it.
Oh yes she was!! Get a freaking job and pay for your own way!! OR get a job and let mom/dad pay half .@@sallyjrwjrw6766
Rosanne is one of my favorite shows. They presented working class middle western white people really well. It wasn’t over the top but perfect.
I love that Jackie bit too where she's like "I picked the numbers".
As a Brit that national anthem bit had me in stitches - which is kind of worrying when nobody at the time appreciated the joke
It makes me laugh that people know what Roseanne sounds like when she talks. Why wouldn't she sound like that singing?
@@JLynnEchelon
Counterpoint: Every pop singer from Scotland
@@JLynnEchelon She was obviously doing it as a joke but similar (but not really) to the recent kneeling controversy it was the fact she was making a joke of the national anthem that pissed people off not the poor performance.
This was the generation that has been trying their best to usher in the fourth reich over the last 6yrs so I mean
It's okay us Americans with a brain appreciate it
I’ve never really watched the program when I was growing up but the time and effort that you put into this analysis changed opinion of what I thought this show was. Truly brought me to tears at point as I see situations play out that remind me of the struggle w my family and myself. Such an excellent video, I’m excited to watch part 2 :)
Wow you are an amazing story teller, thank you for this upload
For me, the moment that sticks out with me is the funeral home scene with Roseanne saying goodbye to her abusive father.
Can I say something about your voice? It is, as far as RUclips goes, educating, entertaining, and actually calming, Unlike the majority that are loud, abrasive, or computerized. Thank you.
There voice is absolutely gorgeous, like a warm fire.
Honestly, I find his voice one of the WORST things about this video. It's so obnoxiously wimpy, whiny, robotic, emotionless and irritatingly raspy. Makes it VERY hard to get through the entire thing. I love the actual analysis of this show, and the points brought up are great, but his voice makes me cringe hard.
Actually I thought it was Jane lynch talking lol
It kinda sounds like hes sick and has a plugged nose but I do think he has a good vpice
@@the-NightStar this is so funny yeah I agree hes a wimp
There was so much talent in the cast. Roseanne and Dan were so wonderful together. Becky and Darlene had wonderful moments throughout. Jackie was perfectly cast as the little sister and she often stole the show. "An Officer and a Gentleman" had one of the most tender moments between Dan and Jackie who are often adversarial but when Dan recalls when he first saw her and what she was wearing down to the minutest detail and how it touched Jackie was just understated and tear-jerking. Or when Jackie goes off to Police Academy and Roseanne writes her a letter even though she's only going away for six weeks gets me even though it's just something very mundane. Moments like that live rent free in my head.
Two of my favorites also. I still laugh at each episode although I like the earlier version of Roseanne better than her version in the later episodes. She got quite hateful in the later one whereas she was just bossy and funny at first.
This is my third time watching this over the last year and I’m about to binge all of your content as I process these medical claims alone in my home. Your content is top tier RUclips and I am so grateful to have it. ❤️
I would love to see you do this with The Golden Girls
Yes! PLEASE!
I’ve watched every episode 3 times over, and I would love it even more if José covered it.
PLEASE
Any 80s or 90s sitcom really, his TV vids are all great, even for shows I wasn't into.
Looks like you finally got your wish!
As someone who spent much of my childhood, specifically week nights when I should have been sleeping before school, curled up in my bed all night watching reruns of Roseanne on Nick at Nite, I really appreciate this video. I was an anxious, depressed and neurotic kid who hid away in my room for most of my adolescence and the ritual of watching this show every night was such a comfort to me. Needless to say, the character of Darlene resonated with me deeply; not to mention that the family dynamic of the Conners was so eerily similar to my own family(and many other middle class families). And some of my favorite memories from later on in my adolescence also consist of watching reruns late at night with my brother, smoking weed and shooting the shit; now that he's passed away, and after everything I've gone through, no matter what Roseanne the person does or says, the show will always have a very special place in my memory. Even if I do view it, as you say, within a romanticized version of my past.
What I think is also worth mentioning, that up unto this point, Dan & Jackie were shown to have a bad relationship, with constant bickering, arguing and giving each other a hard time. So this moment when Dan just quietly grabs his jacket (to go beat up Fisher) is even more powerful. Also, we (later on, I think...?) get some insight into the root of Dan's and Jackie's relationship: Jackie was in love with Dan in High School but he picked Roseanne, and the little talk they have about it is incredible. Like. Fucking ouch. Beautiful. I have yet to see this sort of stuff on any other sitcom, ever. And it's so understated, no big deal or anything, but ads SO much depth to the characters and their past.
Old thread I see, but I had no idea of that little plotline that Jackie used to crush on Dan. That doesn't quite fit for me. I guess I missed that episode.
*PLEEEEASE DO MORE SITCOM RETROSPECTIVES!!!!* I just found your channel and have been binging your videos and man you do such an AMAZING job on these!!! I we need more of them!
That scene with Goodman breaking down about how he possibly failed his daughter almost made me cry. I should check out this show. Even the worst season still managed to end on a note that felt compelling.
As a Black fan of the Roseanne series, thank you for highlighting the 'White Men Can't Kiss' episode. It's also one of my favorites. I loved how the way they confronted the topic of racism wasn't so black and white (no pun intended). Like with the LGBT episode and Roseanne confronting her homophobia, it's Dan who's in a grey area with morality and his ideas towards Black people and the micro-aggressions seemingly well meaning white people can display.
@@pashadyne It's just something that comes with being 40+ lol
@@pashadyne The weird thing here is that between me being 40 and you 50+, I have never seen Welcome Back Cotter. I'm sure they are totally awkward and inappropriate now, but in completely different ways lol
Fade to black…. Melissa Gilbert (Darlene) Re post Roseanne’s comment that destroyed her life and Career. Calling Roseanne a racist. Melissa goes on to act like the lead in The Conners. The fact that all of her cast family didn’t rebel or protest her leaving her own show, had always astonished me. I love her Roseanne. Always have, always will 🫶🏻🙏🏼❤️😘
@@pashadyne It's mainly because episodic tv shows aren't the norm anymore. Just a different style of writing.
@@pashadyne Also, "filmed before a live studio audience."
A story with a beginning and end is the most satisfactory viewing experience. So episodes focus on a single main theme.
And you get the best reaction. A _silent_ audience has huge dramatic impact that translates through the screen. It's sort of a shared experience.
Writers definitely utilized this to their advantage.
With the disappearance of live studio audiences (and canned laughter) writers have more freedom to explore different formats. But they also have to use a different film language to get the serious stuff across because the impact of an audience falling silent or gasping is gone.
Love your favorite episode because honestly it’s so ahead of it’s time! I feel like the idea that black people aren’t a monolith and that it isn’t the burden of black people to explain their lives and experiences and be the guiding force for their white friends and acquaintances is something that’s only just cropping up in the media, so seeing it that far back is rough.
Also, yes Roseanne is bigoted and starts to unpack it after the encounter with Gina’s dad, but also if it is the middle of the night and I’ve already locked the door and the register is out I would in fact tell the person to go away. ESPECIALLY after he hits the door like that, and ESPECIALLY since from reading the comments I know she had been accosted by a male customer before. But yeah, like any situation where anyone explores their own prejudices, it’s complex and tricky and unpleasant.
Her singing the national anthem was one of the greatest comedic acts ever. Watching it isn't funny, in and of itself. Knowing the deliberate decision she made to do it that way makes it pure comedic gold.
It's not even the worst rendition of the national anthem of to air on tv.
I remember being SUPER offended by it at the time (I was HEAVILY influenced by pop “media” back then), but then I heard her explain her thought process behind it and realized it was actually pretty funny.
I think it would be amazing to do a comparison of this to modern sit coms that try to tackle poverty too. The most obvious one for me is Two Broke Girls. I never liked it, and while k know they're quite different in terms of characters and premises, I think it's safe to say that Roseanne blows those girls out of the water in terms of actually dealing with real issues instead of just rehashing stereotypes for 30 minutes.
2 Broke Girls was very plot-convenient a lot of the time, and they shouldn't have been able to have that horse! My family had a horse for a long time, but we also live on a farm with a field and a lot of free grass she could eat. My cousin now has his own horse, but he's a physioterapist, able to afford the stall and care it needs from professionals.
Something like two broke girls that actually addressed millennial poverty in the same serious, poignant, and subversive way the original Roseanne did would be sorely needed
@@TheDanishGuyReviews Yeah, horses are expensive even when you have a lot of space! My parents own two 17-handers, a mini and a donkey. Even on five acres of land, four of which are dedicated solely to the animals, their care is expensive.
They're not even work animals. All four are strictly pets. No one even rides them.
Or "the middle", I'm not sure if it's still running, though.
Edit: then again, I don't remember much about that show, so I'm not sure if that was even the focus of it.
Ironically, the only sitcom on TV today that even compares to Roseanne is, well, The Conners.
Wow....it's been years since I've sat down and watched an hour long RUclips video and enjoyed every bit of it. Good video! more like it please on other sitcoms!
Love your vids too, RedTeamReview!!
Been about 10 mins for me
Give me a kiss
I'm from a working class family. I'm currently in college and my parents can't afford to pay a penny. I always feel like my parents failed me, but I know it wasn't their "fault". They didn't intend for the outcome I live with. They meant well. That's at least a little comforting.
You're alive, healthy, in college, & becoming an adult. Your parents didn't fail you. If you're still living with them when you're 30, then you failed them AND they failed you. The whole point of raising children is to make them no longer need you. You aren't an adult until you are independent of your parents, regardless of your chronological age.
I would never send my kid to college today. There is way too much indoctrination instead of teaching critical thinking. I'd encourage them to travel around the world for a year or two first, so they are more mature, have a broader perspective & more life experience, & are not so easily manipulated when they go to college. Now, instead of teaching young people HOW to think, they tell them WHAT to think. THAT is not worth a penny. It fails the students & is outright dangerous for society.
@@DonnaBrooks you sound fun at parties
@@DonnaBrooks older recent college grad here and boy have you been misled. All those classes (one including critical thinking lol) they offer facts and the students have discussions on the subject matter to form a conclusion on their own. That's why there are so many papers due giving the students an opportunity to take the facts and see if they hold up to their life experience, a worldview that they might have been taught, or an opinion they hold. THey learn the importance of getting their information from as close to the main source as possible. If the are a science major they are again taught the the facts by way of formula's then asked to recreate those experiments irl to see if what they were taught holds up to what they achieved and if they think anything could be added, or altered. Do they have to memorize math formulas? authors? theories (which is a science speak for 'fact until we know more')? yes but students can't share their own opinions or come to their own conclusions when they don't have all the data.
College is not some indoctrination machine, especially considering that college professors each create their own cirriculumn and teach in various ways, to indoctrinate people the curriculum would be carbon copied for each class and taught the same.
Also it's cute that under a retrospective of rosanne a show about working class people you would call someone who has to live with their parents at 30 a failure, when there are more working class people and the middle class is rapidly fading. Being an adult is a psychosocial development stage not having to do with if one can afford to live on their own in a housing market that is so out of control that to even rent an apartment you have make 3x to 4x the amount of rent and have first last and deposit. That would mean a low cost apartment at $1500 you would have to make $4500-$6000 a month and have the $4500 on hand at the time of rental. To make $4500 a month you have to earn $35 an hour (because taxes will take almost 800 per check) that means you are making 67,200 per year just to rent a 1500 apartment. An entry level job without college or coding cert is not $67k even with a college degree (bachelors) you are looking at an entry level position of $20-30 Tech pays a bit higher. Then there is the inflation of food costs, and phone/internet bills. No living with your family at 30 is not a failure it can be a necessity. Being smart by saving money and lucky enough to have the support of your family to treat you as an adult while you get through that entry level hump or if you get let go will pay off in the end. The average rent is 2000 a month for a one bedroom.
I teared up watching this. I was so in love with this show. When it was a brand new show, I remember my middle aged colleagues HATED Rosanne.
I haven't seen them since the 90's, but I am sure they would be MAGA types now, if they're still alive.
@@jycgirl1 they are still alive
I love that at 30:10 when Dan is talking to Darlene about depression, she's on the last pages of Catcher in the Rye
Just gotta say I love content like this, haven't finished yet but this has been a fantastic dive so far
Seconded!
Third! I'm only up to season 2,but I almost forgot how great it was when it started out. The Conners were much more like my family than the Huxtables. Only thing that they didn't show was how messy houses can get when both parents work and are too tired to clean up.
Alexis B I think the huxtables were written the way the were in order to combat the horrid black stereotypes at the time, but I do agree.
Thank you for making this. I’d heard about the show, but just assumed it was a classic slice of life old American sit-com.
But wow, I was not expecting discussions of toxic masculinity, feminism, drugs, homophobia and racism, all tackled in a realistic way. This show was certainly revolutionary.
I was dating a girl from Luxembourg when Rosanne was popular. The show was incredibly popular in Europe as well, especially Germany.
She was horrified when she heard Rosanne'ses voice for the first time. They dubbed the show in German, so she had a very husky but still female voice. Hearing Rosanne's nasal, whiny and often downright obnoxious voice was too much for her.
Was she buck toothed and wrote frightful prose?
Dubbing keeps you dumb. Look up the 'English as a second language' ability difference between Germany and your neighbor, The Netherlands. All of that difference (spoiler: Dutchies beat Krauts by a country mile) can be attributed to subbing versus dubbing.
The one episode that has always stuck with me was the one where DJ wanted to go for Halloween as a witch & everybody couldn't handle it & told him he couldn't & he didn't understand why.
This is surprisingly engrossing, normally I use video essays as background noise as I draw but I just got totally sucked into this one. And it really makes me want to go back and watch the show
Amazing video again. At times you're taking the words right out of my mouth, at others you give insight into things I hadn't considered before or present a new perspective. The work you put into your analysis and then your video, and the fact that you don't shy back from criticising but that you praise where praise is due as well... your videos are simply top notch. Glad I discovered you.
It’s interesting how this hit off during a time when working class people were suffering after affects of Reaganomics
And 30+ years later people are still suffering because of Reaganomics, deregulation, and trickle down economics!
@@crunchysocialisthippie Bush is the cause
@@lexkanyima2195 Actually it goes back farther than that - all the way back to Reagan, Nixon and even Woodrow Wilson
@@pashadyne There is no such thing as a regular nomics
Detroit was booming before Reagan. /s
I grew up watching Roseanne, and used to brag about how "ahead of its time," and I'll have to use this video as proof, given recent events.
+ Sailor Iron Mouse Agree 100%!!!
I haven't even gotten to the part where you get into the show yet, but I have to commend you for the amount of time and effort you had to have put into this video. I respect and appreciate it.
Rosanne, Boy Meets World and Full House; three shows that greatly impacted my childhood. The fact that these shows had so much influence on my character is probably unhealthy, like I was raised by a television set.
One other episode and plot line is David and his relationship with the family as it goes so far past just Darlene. How him and Mark had an abusive mother. How the Connors basically adopted him after his mom kicked him out. How they consider him a son. How, even after him and Darlene break up, they still consider him a part of the family, etc etc
I was a teenager when Roseanne was on... my very conservative mother was LIVID about the birth control episode. To the point that I didn't get to see the rest of that season until I was an adult and it was in reruns... which was a good thing since a few episodes later Leon happened lol she would've literally had a stroke. By the time the next season started, my brothers and I had our own downstairs TV and a remote to change fast as soon as we heard mom coming down the stairs. That's right lol I was a rebel who snuck around to watch a prime time sitcom at 15. 😕
Edit.... oh God I forgot that last episode. Tears. So many tears.
I wasn’t allowed to watch this show and I never knew why, I’m glad I started watching as a teen secretly lol
Its good you learned to jump up and down at an early age:)
@@DylanRomanov probably because this show was to progressive and your parents didn't like it that way.
@@nicolenewsome4863 100%
As a conservative, I love the old Rosanne! Sorry your mom didn't let you watch it. Glad you figured out a way love♡
I guess next one will be the final, botched season, but I would love to see a similar rendition to Malcolm in the Middle.
Ahh okay but that would be amazing tbh
I binge watched that series recently. If there's a detailed analysis of MITM like this one, it'll definitely be a good watch.
Agree 100%. As a child who grew up in a lower to middle middle class family and whose family sacrificed a lot to allow me to achieve my accademic success, Malcolm in the Middle spoke a lot to me and was for all intents and purposes my Rosanne when I was growing up in the late 90's / early 00's.
56:52 since we’re doing close analysis, that crochet blanket is an amazing piece of prop work. It’s got the right colors and pattern to have come from the 60s/70s (or at least reflect that vibe to the audiences’ imagination in the 90s), and it’s placed on the couch and framed by the characters in such a way that the squares your eyes are drawn to are the ones that are the most colorful - the colors look odd and disjointed, stopping in the middle of rows because they’re made of tiny recovered scraps of material. One of them is filled in along the outer rows with the black border color. Trimmed-off tails of yarn form areas of color just a couple stitches wide. Excitingly, these squares seem to be made with the yarn leftover from the other crochet blanket, which is made of much larger, uniform squares, seen on the bedroom ottoman.
That blanket on the couch is maximizing yarn efficiency, because yarn is _expensive_ but a worthy investment if you need a warm, heavy blanket for decades of Midwestern winters. It’s also not just a pretty display piece, like crochet blankets are in most shows. There’s nothing wrong with that, of course, but it highlights the difference between fiber arts as a luxury hobby and fiber arts as a practical craft. I haven’t seen the full show, but even by this point in the video, we’ve seen multiple clips of characters using the blanket.
Because of these details, I’m inclined to believe that these pieces were custom-made for the show, or otherwise sourced by someone intimately knowledgeable about fiber arts (and thoughtful enough about the show’s themes to apply their knowledge of the craft in pursuit of them.) Or maybe Roseann gave the prop department like $6 and 48 hours to learn to crochet and make 2 blankets from scratch, and all the squares were created under an extremely high cost and time pressure. In any case, the blanket reflects the scrappy practicality necessary to survive the economic pressures of contemporary working-class living, perhaps in both our universe _and_ Roseann’s.
right around the time i dropped out, i ended up watching a LOT of roseanne reruns. i was struck by how much i related to darlene. the depression that no one had a name for, the parents who tried their best but didn’t know how to help. and being the kid who was “supposed to make it” and then everything falling apart. i saw some people talking about how that disappointed them, but it really hit home for me.
this was fan-tas-tic. i never even saw roseanne this way. many people have pointed out they didnt expect to watch the whole thing and i definitely agree.
So glad you spent so much time discussing White Men Can't Kiss. I saw that episode not long before Roseanne's racist comments that got the reboot canceled appeared. The way that episode dealt with racism is so much more real and profound than 99% of what I see in media; the way it showed that the real problem with racism isn't usually the explicit, conscious, "I hate minorities" racists, but the kind of implicit biases that seem to exist at some level in all of us, even otherwise good people. That Roseanne herself ended up embodying the very thing she/they depicted in that episode gives it all the more bite.
Kinda reminds me of like, walking down the street and grabbing your purse when you see a poc, making sure everything is where you put it at work knowing you work with them, etc. Shit I've caught myself doing absent mindedly and having to make myself stop because it just isn't right.
@@lauriceaustin8237 Good genuine people admit to their faults💯
As a black girl growing up I saw myself in Rosanne more than I ever did in the Cosby show.
As a black woman I felt the same...I could never relate to the Cosby Show
I’ll never forget watching the scene when Jackie was being abused and it stuck with me forever. It made me appreciate how much my parents loved each other. This is such an incredible video.