Good run out on an EV Richy. Looking down the comments I think most are from people thinking up excuses not to change. We just can't let those people drag us down the same road as the dead dinosaurs they are burning. Mutate and survive man! You hinted at the fact it is a different way of thinking about fueling to match the different method. For a start you would pretty much always start your journey with a "full tank". Not many people ride for as much as 2hrs non-stop, in which case by the time you had paid for your coffee the bike would be well on its way to a full tank.
I test rode a prototype electric bike a few years ago and the impressive thing about it, was the fantastic throttle connection made possible by the regen. braking. If you wanted to 25% more speed you just added 25% more throttle and if you wanted to trim off 25% of speed, you just eased off the throttle 25%. And no fuel injection snatch either. Very precise is how I would describe it.
Morning , For what its worth . I drive a hybrid London bus , We were given lessons to help the ride for the customer and maximize acceleration and deceleration. Deceleration is more important due to the aid of increased power reduction/ engine braking . its possible to bring the bus to a halt without touching the brake . I do believe these bikes will be common place in ten years . the progress in battery refinement is a steep upward curve cheers TJ
Richy thanks for this. I purchased a 2017 Zero DSR this spring after a lifelong relationship with motocross, desert and road racing. Your video here is the FIRST one I've seen that outlines what I consider to be the most real world experience I've personally had with my own Zero. I always chuckle when I hear trolls bitch about things they have never tried simply because they hate change. At least change from what 'they' know.
Pro Tip: Nobody charges to 100% when on the road. Do that overnight at home. When stopping at a charge station only get enough in the battery to get you where you are going with a comfortable reserve.
Or around 80-90% which is around when the charge rate starts to taper off significantly. Unlike pouring liquid into a hollow jug, those electrons don't much like filling the last bit of space available.
@@CSNCSNCSN True words. I only charge to 80% at home unless leaving on a long trip the next day. Charging to 100% all the time isn't good for the battery and simply isn't needed. I just wanted to keep my post short enough for people to read.
You mention that you can't hear it when filtering through stop and go traffic. When I am in my car with stop and go traffic and I hear a motorcycle, then they are already next to me. If I was planning a lane change, then hearing the motorcycle would already be too late. So I don't think the lack of sound will affect filtering that much since people won't hear you on time anyway.
True facts. I've commuted on a Zero FX and a WR450F thumper (amongst others) and if you're counting on your "loud pipes" being heard over the THX-certified surround sound blaring in a tomb of modern NVH engineering, you're in WHEN not IF territory.
Oh nooooooo. Rich (or rather, should I say Alec). I promised myself I would not comment on one of your vids for a few days - but it is my weekend here starting tonight, and I saw this 'un and buggerme.I had to say summats pal. I have kissed the Blarney stone twice - so mebbiz - just that I'm a gobby git. However - Note to Alec of "English Electric Motor Company" who will be watching this channel. Alec - have a Google (better still a RUclips) of a similar named company / product - The "English Electric Lightning". It was the best / most exciting Fighter Aircraft the world has ever seen. Incredible machine. Blows EVERYONE'S socks off just to see and hear it. Exciting. Raw. Blood curdling. Having seen THIS particular "English Electric" Product as a lifelong biker to my soul - I cannot tell you how underwhelmed I am at the "Experience".Imagine if Richy was out with a crew of 8, which he does do on occasion. It would be 4 hours stoppage, twice a day for a re-charge, so 8 hours per day not riding - ie - the ENTIRE day !!. Maybe only an hour per top - up if there were 4 re-charging devices at every station, and everyone was "Half full", The concept of a "Ride with the lads" would not be possible. I love the idyllic notion - ie - a green environment - but it is just not practical currently Alec - not yet. The petrol heads currently alive will always resist - and I will do my best to ensure that my 7 month old Grandson is similarly opined. After the meteor hits the planet, we'll be back to amoeba again anyway. Yoshimura carbs is the future. Trust me - I'm a Scientist. Last point Alec - no self cancelling indicators ???. Is't that an electrical equipment shortfall ?. Don't worry - it is available on modern petrol engined machines 👍. Sorry Richy. Needed saying (To Alec)
Cool vid Rich enjoyed that! These bikes are great but that charging time for me is still prohibitive, like you say no big deal if you're on your own on a dry day, but if you're out with others and it's raining....not good! Moving in the right direction though for sure......
@Tom Jenkins I think both range and charge time have definitely improved, just not to an acceptable level to most riders at present. If solid state batteries are just around the corner (Tesla battery day is imminent!), then that really will be the CD overtakes vinyl game changer, because we'll most likely be looking at 300+ mile ranges, with an hour charging time, in something as light as an equivalent ICE bike; and that'll work for most people.
@bill the biker certainly wont get to viability with that attitude. Check out the new 21.5kwh Energica bikes with DC fast charging. Batteries are getting bigger, lighter, denser, and faster charging. Even if each metric improves 1% per year they compound and the scale tips. Once enough "wealthy people" do it, it becomes cheaper and support grows from the top down. Just like how Tesla is doing it. Ride safe see ya on the road!
1 Thing to think of in charging habits. Don't charge untill 100% everytime. Especially not on public chargers. Charge as much as you need to get home / to your destination. Charge it there, while you do something else (eating, sleeping, working). That decreases your waiting time and makes charging even cheaper.
Fully optioned these are over £27k!!! (Premium Model + Additional 6kw + Power Tank + UK Wall adapter) - I love the idea for my daily commute but the initial outlay is still too much at the moment
Then don't buy their flagship! The S or DS are half that, and they've been in similar spec for years so there's a second hand market. Are ICE bikes impractical because the latest street-legal MotoGP-infused Duc flagship is $40k? 🤨
Good honest non biased review, don’t think electric is quite there yet, but it’s only time. Now that is a solid collection of bikes in the garage Ricky 👍
The number of bike forums I see where the riders are all desperate for more noise. Mainly for personal ego, not for any body else's benefit that is for sure. 50% of market gone.
I love a noisy bike, got an aftermarket can on all my bikes. I had a test ride on a zero last year and was surprised at how much I didn't miss the noise. The whole bike surprised me with how much I liked it. Its like being in the perfect gear, at the perfect revs all the time 😄
@@boo-boo511 not personal ego, its because cagers always say "I didnt see you" after they crash into you or run you off the road. A silent bike is suicide, stay away.
To be a little clearer- it *may* get 160 miles but only in city driving and if driven intentionally in favorable terrain, perhaps going 25-35 mph which is common city speeds. Personally I think the range claim is inflated as practically every manufacturer is guilty of doing. According to Zero it can possibly get 100 miles highway assuming you went 55 mph the whole way in perfect conditions (which no one drives that slow in the U.S. unless they want to get in an accident). This is of course without mentioning the ideal rider weight or load- which they may have done the testing with a 90-pound adult for all we know.
Brilliant! :-) I just ordered one (an ex demo) which will be with me in October. Best most honest ride video so far mate and I have watched I think all of them!
I nearly got a Zero SR.it took so long to get it registered,I decided to get electric car instead. The power of Zero knocked my socks off,loved it,but on reflection,it was too expensive and yes,not enough range. For less than price of this SR/S,I now have a Yamaha wildstar,a Honda nc750 a victory hammer and a work of art Triumph bonnie custom hard tail.... I also like relaxing in car now when it's charging( free in w.yorks).👍
You mentioned that the electricity costs were negligible but bear in mind that they can easily be 30-40p/KWh whereas at home you would be paying around 15p/KWh. Also if I was the Chancellor seeing all future petrol/diesel tax revenue disappear, I'd want to tax these charging points to pay for a few bills. The same tax recovery need would apply to all alternative technologies such as hydrogen of course. Interestingly the law* that requires electric or hybrid cars to have an external sound generator so they can be more easily heard by pedestrians and cyclists came into effect on 1 July 2019 but only applies to 4-wheeled vehicles. Perhaps it might be useful on bikes, if only for filtering, to generate a custom sound through speakers. 2 stroke, V twin, boxer or in-line six choice anyone? * An EU-mandated system called Acoustic Vehicle Alert System, or AVAS works at speeds of up to 13 mph, and the volume must be at least 56 dB (similar to the volume of an electric toothbrush) and must not be louder than 75 dB, equivalent to the noise of a conventional car. The sound must also be continuous, and help road users understand the driving behaviour of the vehicle by sound alone - for example, by varying in volume and pitch when a vehicle is accelerating.
30-40p/kWh for a rapid charger, which is mainly for cars with huge batteries. You'd use 7kw destination chargers for the bike, which are mostly free, but never over 25p/kWh - if ever you need to charge publicly. With home charging, you'd go to a smart tariff, charging overnight, I charge between 0-8p/kWh (rarely I actually get paid to take on electricity - hasn't been for a while). I have 2 EVs and for 6000 miles (over the past 2 months), charging at home, it's cost me about £125. Vs £900 it would have cost me in petrol for my old 1.2 Clio.
@@DJ-Daz They're a great bike for sure, but I'd guess most bikers look at what else they can get for the money. You can get a big ole' toy for that amount of cash.
I have a zero FXS supermoto and love it and looked at an sr/s but the cost out the door was crazy. Ended up getting an ftr1200s with race replica paint for 5000 less.
own a Zero FXS as well. bought used with 1300 miles for $8200 USD after taxes and dealer fees. my 2nd bike that's used mostly for commuting. definitely not something you want to take long distance since its charge rate is a paltry 0.65kw (such a slow charge rate that you'd be better off taking a bicycle if you wanted to go more than 100miles). silent, light, and quick -- it's perfect for commuting. always get interest from it but I can never fully recommend one if it's your only bike. as a 2nd bike, yeah, go for it. lots of fun.
phenoge agreed totally. I have the quick charger for it which helps a lot on the charge times but it’s a ten lb brick that will fit in a backpack if you have nothing else in it lol. For a second bike it’s awesome but unless you live exclusively in the city it’s not practical for your only bike.
As a Nissan Leaf owner some of those slagging this technology off it is work in progress, but battery density is increasing year on year ( model s long range as an theoretical range of 400 miles) and yes initially they are expensive ( again battery prices are falling so in the next couple of years price comparison will be a reality) but maintenance and running costs are practical zero, no road tax! The charging infrastructure does need to improve, can be unreliable, if you charge in some hotels you need to register you're charging or could end up with a parking fine, but as range gets better with battery technology you'll need too charge less in public anyway. If you are commuting you just charge up every night or at work. Range does vary with both temperature and riding/ driving style but the same can be said of the combustion engine! Can't comment of electric bikes, but electric cars are far more relaxing too drive while also far more fun at traffic lights ( even the leaf because of torque embarrasses allot of cars). The tech will get better and they are the future ( grid gets cleaner every year and certainly cuts localized pollution down). But I will admit currently they don't meet everyones requirements, but that will come.
Great vid mate. Real world bike test done in the glorious Derbyshire Dales (I'm biased). The more I gen up on these electric bikes the more I realise there's no escape from them eventually replacing our trusted steeds. Give me and most other present day bikers the roar of the exhaust tone and we are happy but for those who will walk in our footsteps quite soon Lekky Bikes will be the norm. The only constant in life is Change....
I think when they make them look alot better and more appealing when the big boys get involved they will really catch on great review richy keep up the good work
I don't think range would be an issue if Zero was able to use CCS fast chargers. It would cut down charging times to acceptable levels. Type 2 is fine for home charging, but when you are out and about, it's too slow.
I had a ride on one of these and an SR a couple of weeks ago and really enjoyed the experience. Made a couple of videos for the channel. I’ve got a ride coming up on the FXS in a couple of weeks and I’ll be comparing a brand new bike against one that’s got a bit of mileage on the clock as it’s an old press bike, so as you can imagine, it’s had some stick. Thought it would be interesting to see how much power the battery has retained. I’ll also be taking it off road, so that’ll be fun then! 😉😂
Well I was so impressed with the sr/f I've just bought this actual one you rode. Just waiting for them to release it now.... Hope you didn't scratch my bike! 😝
This looks interesting. For a start it’s a comfy tourer but with some pretty amazing acceleration at real world speeds. Then it’s got a reasonable range for Sunday blasts and commutes. And it’s also so reasonably priced..... oh hang on it’s £24k. Oh.
I had a quick go on of those last week as well as the FXS and the DSR. I was like you with the mirrors on the SR/S. Thought they looked weird, but they work brilliantly in that low position. I want to try them out on the motorway for my 91 mile round trip commute. I think you said you used a lot of the battery up in a short motorway blast, so not sure they are quite there yet.
C.G.C Most folks recharge nightly - get home, plug in, wake up, go. It’s so much better than sitting in line to get gas, having to sit in all the fumes of the vehicles that were or are already there. Electric isn’t for everyone, but it will work for most people if they gave it a chance and tried.
If I run out of petrol I can get a can of petrol from the garage to get me home. If I run out of electricity on a ride out I don’t think they would stock enough Duracell behind the counter to do the same! Also I think it’s too quiet which makes me think I’m less noticeable to the traffic.
Hopefully you can rely on the good natured UK public, seeing as every house has a power supply, if you did find yourself with a flat battery. You might even make some new friends :D
@@shiftyblake3038 Why would you sit there until it's full?! Only need enough to get to the next charging station.. It's not ideal but there are more homes with emergency power than petrol stations.
First electric bike vid I've seen where we see the power connection, time, etc. so thanks for that. My main concern is the price of the machines, linked to second hand versions where basically, you'll need to get a new battery. Im sure the MoCo's will sort, what it needs is a one type battery fits all, less waste, totally compatible, but, probably won't happen 1 . . . . . . . As an addition. aren't some countries stating that electric bikes may have to generate a noise for the safety of the public!
The country you are living in has a big impact on battery life the optimal operating enviromental temperatures are between 15 centigrade 50 centigrade, average UK temperatures in July are 15 to 21,. Its the same with any battery they dont like excessive cold or heat, or damp and rain.
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How strong is the deceleration in beast mode ? Could you have a bit of a moment closing the throttle going downhill on a slippery road surface as if you'd just used the back brake by itself ?
Really want this bike. It'll be four years before i can take my A licence. Hopefully the bike will be improved alot, if not a good competator rises till then. fell in love with your channel
Very nice looking bike. I am sure they will come up with a device in charging points that send signal to the bikes when your near them. Look forward to seeing more video’s 👍🏻👍🏻
How many miles did you do when you got to the charging station? Also you need a topbox for the cables when you have the fast charge tank, and cost of that add on is a lot extra. Don't get me wrong I would love to ride one, and if I owned one I would always have regen on max.
@@RichyVida It would be good to see some solid statistics on what regeneration actually provides. Across a whole discharge what proportion can realistically be recovered 5%, 10%? Cross country on those sorts of roads doubt there would be that much variation between mode consumption. They are supposed to be very efficient so 1 mile will use a given amount of power to cover it and drag would be in same ball park in either direction. The reason they are better in slower speed urban environments plus no "tickover" loss when stuck in traffic. Fast long drags at 60/70 plus will see higher rates of consumption as drag builds rapidly?
Expensive upfront costs. Wonder how long the low running costs would take to recoup that initial cost. Not sure I would want to wait an hour. Informative video.
You can do the calc, no maintenance to speak of without fluids, chain or moving parts. Apart from tire changes and cheap charging (or even free with solar on your roof) you ride for free. You only have to balance your time differently
Being on the leading edge of something always has a greater cost. I consider it an investment in the future - not just mine, but everyone’s. The more people to finance innovation, the less the individual cost. Electric is coming.
Fascinating stuff Richy, it does look good. I think 1 hour charge time is pretty impressive. I think you need to get a piece of cardboard and a peg, clip it to the forks so it flaps on the spokes and makes a motorbike noise like we used to with our pushbikes when we were kids, lol. I imagine the £3.00 it would have cost to charge while you were out is more than it would cost to charge it at home, that £3.00 probably includes charge towards the cost of the charging points and charging infrastructure! Loving the reviews by the way.
It was handy that the charge point was free and not in use by another person with perhaps another one waiting. If it was, you'd then have to decide whether to go and find another or wait for quite some time I'd guess.
That is a nice group of bikes in your garage just now. As somebody else has said, what if you arrive at your remote car park with one charger and somebody got there before you ? Infrastructure is not ready yet so its still 95 octane for me for a few years I think.
If you used the most frugal, most economical throttle use and still kept it in 'Beast" mode would the range be better than if you selected super duper economy mode? You said at best what, 160 miles range? Here in hilly, windy Oregon, especially heading North into the teeth of one of our daily summer coastal gales, I would expect the range to suffer greatly despite the best efforts to keep the throttle use light.
I didn’t knew that the żero rs has a half faired version , it looks absolutley beautiful and I’m more into retro bikes but this one i admit it looks great, modern but not extreme. Imagine if battery tech improves in such a way that they can make a smaller battery with the same energy density inside, they will become lighter a more fun to ride , they might also put a gyro inside to help the bike stay upright all the time, a motorcycle and any one of any size can ride!
Strange thinking I have ridden this actual bike, when I popped in to see Alec at the EEMC I simply had to take it out for a quick spin!, a couple of weeks ago. The top box did rattle a tad on the bumpy road. I was surprised how tiny it felt when flat-footing it like a toy compared to my FJR! In beast mode, it was mad when the front wheel lifts up, really good fun!!! that £1.55 would be 3 X less if you charged it at home too! we pay 11p per KW at home and our local rapid charger is 26p per KW. Contactless chargers are a lot easier to use than the other ones, when you need to download the app, set up a payment method etc.
Since the charging port is where it is, what happens if you have it charging and its raining and you have to drive somewhere and you get water in the charging port when pulling out your cable?
Cool vid Richy, think the volume on my phone must be knackered though, cos I couldn't hear that bike at all!!! That's the future right there methinks & it's definitely a nice looking bike!! So Cheers for the spin on it. I'm looking forward to seeing the next video on it. Awrabesht mate. 😉👍
....how big is the battery unit - or is it a series of a few of them connected together ? I used to hear of the advancement of superconductors which will make batteries smaller 'in the future' - so imagine if the batteries were the size of a coke can and they were stacked together in two fake 'silencers' - then when one stack runs down you can just switch to the other set !?!
Good video. Two things I don’t like about electric bikes. No sound and no gears. I love going through the box and hearing a bike. It’s a visceral experience. I like having a clutch and gears too much not sure how I’ll get on with electric bikes.
Interesting editing. You forgot to mention you missed the car park the first time. Rode through Hope. Turned around in Castleton would be my guess then rode back lol. That said. What and an amazing bike. When I was younger I feared moterbikes would of had their day when the oil runs out. (Back in the 80’s) There was no sign of this type of technology for m/c’s then. But this shows the future. It won’t be long before mass produced Japanese bikes at affordable will be here. And the charging problem will be overcome :-)
I think these electric bikes are great. For those where they can charge at home and work, and never ride out more than the range.. its perfect. Even the odd ride where you need to stop off and charge. Am sure it won;t suit all, which is fine. Yes its expensive, and personally i prefer my bikes to have more sport than tour, but the price and charge times will come down on future bikes.
Obviously water and electricity don't mix. If it was raining hard can you still use the chargers safely does it seal well from charger to the bike battery. Its probably a silly question but I've not experience of this technology.
Interesting review but leaves me with loads of questions. You say your riding buddies may not like waiting for you to recharge, but what if 3 of your buddies are also electric? How long is the wait then. Plus, what if you arrive at your charge station & another group of 4 are already waiting?? Also I’m not sure of the etiquette. Are you supposed to wait with your vehicle as it recharges so that you can hand the charge point over to the next in line without delay, or can you bugger off down the Devils Arse for a couple of hours and let people wait? More charging points will alleviate some of the issues, but I’m not sure I’m sold just yet. Keep up the good work sir
For my group I am the only one who rides an EV. So the 160km range on my bike kind of determines where we can go and where we have to stop for lunch. Most places we end up at tend to have more than 1 charging station, or in the worst case I can plug in at the e-bicycle chargers and do a slow charge. As for the etiquette, in my experience etiquette is enforced by a Type 2 cable. Or a padlocked Type 1. I've had bicyclists unplug my scooter from a regular outlet because they felt that it was only to charge electric bicycles. And there's no locking a regular wall plug. Ofcourse if I know that there's more people waiting to charge I won't get more charge than I really need. Usually a 20-80 charge is all I need and that takes maybe 30 minutes. Best thing to do when all charging points are taken and there are none nearby is to just buy the boys a round of coffee and cake. Still costs less than paying for petrol.
Very interesting Richy and definitely where the future lies but I can't see it in my future. 60 in Sept and looking at getting my next bike in the next few weeks, top of the list at the moment is the Triumph Speed Triple RS. Just waiting for the deals to appear. (I'd like to have a go on one through!!)
Like it. But, consider; If the top box and tank were covered in solar panels it would recharge in the sun. Even if you ran out. Why does no manufacturer give you the option to wind it down to about 50hp to massively extend your range? I ride everywhere now on about 50hp (Eastern Europe last year) and it was ample. I think range is a big gripe for most folks. (Plus price) Lack of noise can be altered. Turn the exhaust into an electrical speaker. Have engine modes to simulate singles, twins, fours, triples etc. etc. Exhaust (speaker output to match) Turn the volume up or down depending on location like you do on the radio. There are answers to all the questions if you think long enough. Give it time. If it's the only way I can ride in 30yrs, bring it on. Happy travels
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Really interesting. As a commuter this would be excellent, however cost wise it doesn’t stack up at the moment. It would need to pay for itself in 4 years against public transport costs so about 10-12k for me.
Hi Richie, did you find yourself taking it slower with the electric bike? I’m on my second hybrid car and I find I drive slower on electric, it just seems calmer. I get in my 400bhp Z4 or ride my Tuono and for some reason the world goes into hyper drive ! My son in law works for Tesler, the battery ranges are going to get huge, they are thinking about charging your car on low cost electric midnight to 6, then when you get back from your daily commute, plug the car into the house to put power back into the running of your home.
I test rode this when my then current bike was a ZZR1400 and I was impressed with the torque it was as least as quick as the ZZR1400 up to 90mph whether in standing starts or roll on's. However after that the bike runs out of power almost as if there was a limiter. The other issue was range the dealer told me that if I rode it in the same manner as the Z it's range would be around 80 miles. Total waste of time for the riding I do and that's before considering the cost of the thing. There are other bikes they sell that would be perfect for short to mid range commuting but again when you consider the cost they are extremely expensive for that. For me to consider one the price needs to come down quite a bit, the range needs to be at least 250 miles with a mixture of sporty and touring riding and the charging times need to decrease, that said they were offering a fast charging lead at a knockdown price of £2000.
bampie1 How many bikes have a range of 250? 250 would be great, but we have a ways to go before that’ll be very viable on a bike. Unless you’re set on crossing the country on a road trip, electric has the ability now to keep you on the road. It’s expensive, but what new tech isn’t? Price drops with time and new innovation.
Hi Richy, Planning on having a ride up to Derbyshire on Saturday, is the Station café open at Grindleford, even if its just for take away that would be good, cheers, Andy
Hmm not sure need better range for me and a lower rice tag but as time moves on things will get better but does not have the same sound as 4 stroke motor on song enjoy have fun.
All the owners of these companies should be investing in a shelter over the top of these charging ports. I quite like the look of the bike.. I laughed the first time u give it throttle I thought u stuck a sound effect in the video haha
I’m presuming that your pay and display fee is included in the charge price? That would work out nicely, charge up,have a brew cost £1:55 for parking and charging...
Out riding alone it's not too bad waiting for the bike to charge, unless it's pouring down obviously, or if you are out in a group of e-motorbikes, or if someone else just pulled up at the charging station before you, or ... etc etc ... For me charging time is really the weakest point of these things, unless you intend to use them solely for commuting - and you don't live in a flat .. Apart from that, nice video, I could see myself riding one of these one day, when the above issues have been resolved.
For my 2p worth, only good for commuters or the circular rides out and at min 18 k its a bit expensive for my pocket. You couldnt realy tour, long journeys on one. Think for the cost, lack of charge points, waiting to charge for me its a none starter..... But a very watchable video agan Mr RV 👍 keep it up mate and ride safe 👍
Imagine each and every of your co-workers does the same with their vehicles 9 a.m. until 5 p.m. Electric consumption will rise beyond everything...we will blow every electricity supply. Nice idea, but I will stick with my old-fashioned bike. Also, a lot of road reconstruction will be required, because you can't traffic by ear any longer.
The bike looks attractive but the charging will be an issue until there are public charge points in huge numbers. Besides the price the big one for me with all EVs is that the use of precious metals in producing batteries means that the sustainability or green credentials are highly questionable. The industry does not like to talk about the metals mining/extraction/ slave labour side of things but it is the reality.
"BEAST MODE" comes from an old console game, Alterd Beast from 1988 and beast mode has been a popular saying ever since, specially amongst programmers and gamers.
Interesting but still along way to go. Far to long to recharge and that`s without a queue waiting to use the charge point, but I suppose it`s the future.
Sadly the bike has gone now, but I do have 2 more vids coming out with it. It’s interesting to see how different styles of riding make a difference to the charge. I would say the extra weight of two up would definitely have an impact on range. But how much of an impact i don’t know.
Fossil fuel is a finite resource. One day we will run out of it. Electric bikes are probably the future whether we like it or not. Perhaps ,like ride modes, there could be a sound mode where different sounds could be generated i.e Harley, vee 4 etc
Good run out on an EV Richy. Looking down the comments I think most are from people thinking up excuses not to change. We just can't let those people drag us down the same road as the dead dinosaurs they are burning. Mutate and survive man!
You hinted at the fact it is a different way of thinking about fueling to match the different method. For a start you would pretty much always start your journey with a "full tank". Not many people ride for as much as 2hrs non-stop, in which case by the time you had paid for your coffee the bike would be well on its way to a full tank.
I test rode a prototype electric bike a few years ago and the impressive thing about it, was the fantastic throttle connection made possible by the regen. braking. If you wanted to 25% more speed you just added 25% more throttle and if you wanted to trim off 25% of speed, you just eased off the throttle 25%. And no fuel injection snatch either. Very precise is how I would describe it.
Morning , For what its worth . I drive a hybrid London bus , We were given lessons to help the ride for the customer and maximize acceleration and deceleration. Deceleration is more important due to the aid of increased power reduction/ engine braking . its possible to bring the bus to a halt without touching the brake . I do believe these bikes will be common place in ten years . the progress in battery refinement is a steep upward curve cheers TJ
Richy thanks for this. I purchased a 2017 Zero DSR this spring after a lifelong relationship with motocross, desert and road racing. Your video here is the FIRST one I've seen that outlines what I consider to be the most real world experience I've personally had with my own Zero. I always chuckle when I hear trolls bitch about things they have never tried simply because they hate change. At least change from what 'they' know.
Pro Tip: Nobody charges to 100% when on the road. Do that overnight at home. When stopping at a charge station only get enough in the battery to get you where you are going with a comfortable reserve.
Or around 80-90% which is around when the charge rate starts to taper off significantly. Unlike pouring liquid into a hollow jug, those electrons don't much like filling the last bit of space available.
@@CSNCSNCSN True words. I only charge to 80% at home unless leaving on a long trip the next day. Charging to 100% all the time isn't good for the battery and simply isn't needed. I just wanted to keep my post short enough for people to read.
You mention that you can't hear it when filtering through stop and go traffic.
When I am in my car with stop and go traffic and I hear a motorcycle, then they are already next to me. If I was planning a lane change, then hearing the motorcycle would already be too late.
So I don't think the lack of sound will affect filtering that much since people won't hear you on time anyway.
True facts. I've commuted on a Zero FX and a WR450F thumper (amongst others) and if you're counting on your "loud pipes" being heard over the THX-certified surround sound blaring in a tomb of modern NVH engineering, you're in WHEN not IF territory.
Oh nooooooo. Rich (or rather, should I say Alec). I promised myself I would not comment on one of your vids for a few days - but it is my weekend here starting tonight, and I saw this 'un and buggerme.I had to say summats pal. I have kissed the Blarney stone twice - so mebbiz - just that I'm a gobby git. However - Note to Alec of "English Electric Motor Company" who will be watching this channel. Alec - have a Google (better still a RUclips) of a similar named company / product - The "English Electric Lightning". It was the best / most exciting Fighter Aircraft the world has ever seen. Incredible machine. Blows EVERYONE'S socks off just to see and hear it. Exciting. Raw. Blood curdling. Having seen THIS particular "English Electric" Product as a lifelong biker to my soul - I cannot tell you how underwhelmed I am at the "Experience".Imagine if Richy was out with a crew of 8, which he does do on occasion. It would be 4 hours stoppage, twice a day for a re-charge, so 8 hours per day not riding - ie - the ENTIRE day !!. Maybe only an hour per top - up if there were 4 re-charging devices at every station, and everyone was "Half full", The concept of a "Ride with the lads" would not be possible. I love the idyllic notion - ie - a green environment - but it is just not practical currently Alec - not yet. The petrol heads currently alive will always resist - and I will do my best to ensure that my 7 month old Grandson is similarly opined. After the meteor hits the planet, we'll be back to amoeba again anyway. Yoshimura carbs is the future. Trust me - I'm a Scientist. Last point Alec - no self cancelling indicators ???. Is't that an electrical equipment shortfall ?. Don't worry - it is available on modern petrol engined machines 👍. Sorry Richy. Needed saying (To Alec)
This is the future, even we don't like we will absolutely have to adopt in a time. Thanks for very first experience sharing
Cool vid Rich enjoyed that! These bikes are great but that charging time for me is still prohibitive, like you say no big deal if you're on your own on a dry day, but if you're out with others and it's raining....not good! Moving in the right direction though for sure......
An electric bike he didn't crash - surely that's 'moving in the right direction' eh! 🤣
@Tom Jenkins I think both range and charge time have definitely improved, just not to an acceptable level to most riders at present. If solid state batteries are just around the corner (Tesla battery day is imminent!), then that really will be the CD overtakes vinyl game changer, because we'll most likely be looking at 300+ mile ranges, with an hour charging time, in something as light as an equivalent ICE bike; and that'll work for most people.
@bill the biker certainly wont get to viability with that attitude. Check out the new 21.5kwh Energica bikes with DC fast charging. Batteries are getting bigger, lighter, denser, and faster charging. Even if each metric improves 1% per year they compound and the scale tips. Once enough "wealthy people" do it, it becomes cheaper and support grows from the top down. Just like how Tesla is doing it. Ride safe see ya on the road!
1 Thing to think of in charging habits. Don't charge untill 100% everytime. Especially not on public chargers. Charge as much as you need to get home / to your destination. Charge it there, while you do something else (eating, sleeping, working). That decreases your waiting time and makes charging even cheaper.
How will the battery cope in winter does it have some insulation from the cold? Doesn't cold temperatures effect the battery?
Great review and when it come to seeing charges points everywhere its called the Baader-Meinhof phenomenon or frequency illusion
Also Selective Affiliation...
Fully optioned these are over £27k!!! (Premium Model + Additional 6kw + Power Tank + UK Wall adapter) - I love the idea for my daily commute but the initial outlay is still too much at the moment
Then don't buy their flagship! The S or DS are half that, and they've been in similar spec for years so there's a second hand market. Are ICE bikes impractical because the latest street-legal MotoGP-infused Duc flagship is $40k? 🤨
Good honest non biased review, don’t think electric is quite there yet, but it’s only time. Now that is a solid collection of bikes in the garage Ricky 👍
First thing I’d do is ditch that factory exhaust 😅😂🤣
The number of bike forums I see where the riders are all desperate for more noise. Mainly for personal ego, not for any body else's benefit that is for sure. 50% of market gone.
I love a noisy bike, got an aftermarket can on all my bikes.
I had a test ride on a zero last year and was surprised at how much I didn't miss the noise. The whole bike surprised me with how much I liked it. Its like being in the perfect gear, at the perfect revs all the time 😄
@@boo-boo511 not personal ego, its because cagers always say "I didnt see you" after they crash into you or run you off the road. A silent bike is suicide, stay away.
@@Cre8tive81 Lol what. Do you always hear a car passing by you on the road? Silly comment.
@@boo-boo511 I don't buy "50%" but it's a crowd we could do without. I'm here for the ride.
To be a little clearer- it *may* get 160 miles but only in city driving and if driven intentionally in favorable terrain, perhaps going 25-35 mph which is common city speeds. Personally I think the range claim is inflated as practically every manufacturer is guilty of doing. According to Zero it can possibly get 100 miles highway assuming you went 55 mph the whole way in perfect conditions (which no one drives that slow in the U.S. unless they want to get in an accident). This is of course without mentioning the ideal rider weight or load- which they may have done the testing with a 90-pound adult for all we know.
"Not really sneezed at all!"
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ATSHOO!
"Bollocks..."
Brilliant.
Haha thanks for noticing that piece of comedy genius! No one else has haha ;-)
@@RichyVida People are daft, that's perfect comedic timing if I ever saw some
Tours and journeys dictated by the location of charging stations. Sounds like fun.
Brilliant! :-) I just ordered one (an ex demo) which will be with me in October. Best most honest ride video so far mate and I have watched I think all of them!
Congrats! Let us know how ya get on 👍
@@RichyVida Will do :-) Super excited! A far cry from the 89 EXUP 1000.
I nearly got a Zero SR.it took so long to get it registered,I decided to get electric car instead.
The power of Zero knocked my socks off,loved it,but on reflection,it was too expensive and yes,not enough range.
For less than price of this SR/S,I now have a Yamaha wildstar,a Honda nc750 a victory hammer and a work of art Triumph bonnie custom hard tail....
I also like relaxing in car now when it's charging( free in w.yorks).👍
You mentioned that the electricity costs were negligible but bear in mind that they can easily be 30-40p/KWh whereas at home you would be paying around 15p/KWh. Also if I was the Chancellor seeing all future petrol/diesel tax revenue disappear, I'd want to tax these charging points to pay for a few bills. The same tax recovery need would apply to all alternative technologies such as hydrogen of course.
Interestingly the law* that requires electric or hybrid cars to have an external sound generator so they can be more easily heard by pedestrians and cyclists came into effect on 1 July 2019 but only applies to 4-wheeled vehicles. Perhaps it might be useful on bikes, if only for filtering, to generate a custom sound through speakers. 2 stroke, V twin, boxer or in-line six choice anyone?
* An EU-mandated system called Acoustic Vehicle Alert System, or AVAS works at speeds of up to 13 mph, and the volume must be at least 56 dB (similar to the volume of an electric toothbrush) and must not be louder than 75 dB, equivalent to the noise of a conventional car. The sound must also be continuous, and help road users understand the driving behaviour of the vehicle by sound alone - for example, by varying in volume and pitch when a vehicle is accelerating.
30-40p/kWh for a rapid charger, which is mainly for cars with huge batteries. You'd use 7kw destination chargers for the bike, which are mostly free, but never over 25p/kWh - if ever you need to charge publicly. With home charging, you'd go to a smart tariff, charging overnight, I charge between 0-8p/kWh (rarely I actually get paid to take on electricity - hasn't been for a while).
I have 2 EVs and for 6000 miles (over the past 2 months), charging at home, it's cost me about £125. Vs £900 it would have cost me in petrol for my old 1.2 Clio.
I hear £24k to £27k full spec out! These need to be at around commuter bike price 7k to 10k or they will not succeed!
The only people I've seen riding them on YT are reviewers, they may be an awesome bike, but hardly anyone is buying one.
@@DJ-Daz They're a great bike for sure, but I'd guess most bikers look at what else they can get for the money. You can get a big ole' toy for that amount of cash.
I have a zero FXS supermoto and love it and looked at an sr/s but the cost out the door was crazy. Ended up getting an ftr1200s with race replica paint for 5000 less.
own a Zero FXS as well. bought used with 1300 miles for $8200 USD after taxes and dealer fees. my 2nd bike that's used mostly for commuting. definitely not something you want to take long distance since its charge rate is a paltry 0.65kw (such a slow charge rate that you'd be better off taking a bicycle if you wanted to go more than 100miles). silent, light, and quick -- it's perfect for commuting. always get interest from it but I can never fully recommend one if it's your only bike. as a 2nd bike, yeah, go for it. lots of fun.
phenoge agreed totally. I have the quick charger for it which helps a lot on the charge times but it’s a ten lb brick that will fit in a backpack if you have nothing else in it lol. For a second bike it’s awesome but unless you live exclusively in the city it’s not practical for your only bike.
As a Nissan Leaf owner some of those slagging this technology off it is work in progress, but battery density is increasing year on year ( model s long range as an theoretical range of 400 miles) and yes initially they are expensive ( again battery prices are falling so in the next couple of years price comparison will be a reality) but maintenance and running costs are practical zero, no road tax!
The charging infrastructure does need to improve, can be unreliable, if you charge in some hotels you need to register you're charging or could end up with a parking fine, but as range gets better with battery technology you'll need too charge less in public anyway.
If you are commuting you just charge up every night or at work.
Range does vary with both temperature and riding/ driving style but the same can be said of the combustion engine!
Can't comment of electric bikes, but electric cars are far more relaxing too drive while also far more fun at traffic lights ( even the leaf because of torque embarrasses allot of cars).
The tech will get better and they are the future ( grid gets cleaner every year and certainly cuts localized pollution down).
But I will admit currently they don't meet everyones requirements, but that will come.
No road tax/duty until enough people have them and the exchequer will start charging in some manner. They are not going to let £30bn+ plus slip away.
Great vid mate. Real world bike test done in the glorious Derbyshire Dales (I'm biased). The more I gen up on these electric bikes the more I realise there's no escape from them eventually replacing our trusted steeds. Give me and most other present day bikers the roar of the exhaust tone and we are happy but for those who will walk in our footsteps quite soon Lekky Bikes will be the norm. The only constant in life is Change....
I think when they make them look alot better and more appealing when the big boys get involved they will really catch on great review richy keep up the good work
I don't think range would be an issue if Zero was able to use CCS fast chargers. It would cut down charging times to acceptable levels. Type 2 is fine for home charging, but when you are out and about, it's too slow.
I had a ride on one of these and an SR a couple of weeks ago and really enjoyed the experience. Made a couple of videos for the channel. I’ve got a ride coming up on the FXS in a couple of weeks and I’ll be comparing a brand new bike against one that’s got a bit of mileage on the clock as it’s an old press bike, so as you can imagine, it’s had some stick. Thought it would be interesting to see how much power the battery has retained. I’ll also be taking it off road, so that’ll be fun then! 😉😂
Brilliant video I like how we are experiencing it with you for the first time. Gotta say its not a bad looking bike.
Well I was so impressed with the sr/f I've just bought this actual one you rode. Just waiting for them to release it now.... Hope you didn't scratch my bike! 😝
Wow, that’s fantastic! I can assure you, I treated her with the utmost respect! I’ll look forward to seeing her in your possession! 🙌🙌
This looks interesting. For a start it’s a comfy tourer but with some pretty amazing acceleration at real world speeds. Then it’s got a reasonable range for Sunday blasts and commutes. And it’s also so reasonably priced..... oh hang on it’s £24k. Oh.
incredible price :-O i think ill stick to my £800 2002 vtec.
Another great video Richy. Keep them coming mate 👍🏻
I had a quick go on of those last week as well as the FXS and the DSR. I was like you with the mirrors on the SR/S. Thought they looked weird, but they work brilliantly in that low position. I want to try them out on the motorway for my 91 mile round trip commute. I think you said you used a lot of the battery up in a short motorway blast, so not sure they are quite there yet.
Next vid will show that, Siôn 👍
Nice 1 Richy. Look forward to the next video.
Not for me for now, but always good to look at what is still in development 👍
Beautiful scenery, great looking bike, hope to get one eventually.
Besides how often you need to recharge the problem is how long it takes to recharge
C.G.C Most folks recharge nightly - get home, plug in, wake up, go. It’s so much better than sitting in line to get gas, having to sit in all the fumes of the vehicles that were or are already there. Electric isn’t for everyone, but it will work for most people if they gave it a chance and tried.
If I run out of petrol I can get a can of petrol from the garage to get me home. If I run out of electricity on a ride out I don’t think they would stock enough Duracell behind the counter to do the same! Also I think it’s too quiet which makes me think I’m less noticeable to the traffic.
Oh definitely less noticeable. You’ll see on the next vid, I even made a jogger jump on a very quiet country lane. Had no idea I was behind her!
Hopefully you can rely on the good natured UK public, seeing as every house has a power supply, if you did find yourself with a flat battery. You might even make some new friends :D
Barry Thompson sat in there front room for four hours until it’s full!
@@shiftyblake3038 Why would you sit there until it's full?! Only need enough to get to the next charging station.. It's not ideal but there are more homes with emergency power than petrol stations.
Barry Thompson depends how nice their tea is to be fair !
First electric bike vid I've seen where we see the power connection, time, etc. so thanks for that. My main concern is the price of the machines, linked to second hand versions where basically, you'll need to get a new battery. Im sure the MoCo's will sort, what it needs is a one type battery fits all, less waste, totally compatible, but, probably won't happen 1 . . . . . . . As an addition. aren't some countries stating that electric bikes may have to generate a noise for the safety of the public!
I would think a noise would best .no good being silent but deadly
Very nice bike, I would love to try but way out of my price lol. Thanks Richy mate.
The country you are living in has a big impact on battery life the optimal operating enviromental temperatures are between 15 centigrade 50 centigrade, average UK temperatures in July are 15 to 21,. Its the same with any battery they dont like excessive cold or heat, or damp and rain.
Can't wait to not have to buy fuel anymore. Test rode a Zero S and was great fun. Will be great when the new battery technologies hit the market.
For your nose try Nasal Crom. Had allergies all my life and this stuff works great without destroying your nose. It covers the receptors kind of like spray paint on a security camera. Every time a new judo student comes in with sneezing I tell the parents and they always love it.
So now in your garage you have your VFR, the AT, KTM 1290 and the Zero! Choices choices 👍
When this becomes the norm I will be long gone or will be the day I give up bikes. Imagine Rich doing his US tour on this. He would need a year .
That's an impressive collection you're accumulating in your garage...Trying to give TMF a run for his money? Great vid, thanks! :)
How strong is the deceleration in beast mode ? Could you have a bit of a moment closing the throttle going downhill on a slippery road surface as if you'd just used the back brake by itself ?
So continuous range is about 20 miles per hour, assuming ride 60 miles in 1 hour then charge for 2?
Really want this bike. It'll be four years before i can take my A licence. Hopefully the bike will be improved alot, if not a good competator rises till then.
fell in love with your channel
Thank you and welcome! Hope you enjoy your stay 👍
I think there were three charge points in the garage at 15.08, left hand side when you pulled in?
Very nice looking bike. I am sure they will come up with a device in charging points that send signal to the bikes when your near them. Look forward to seeing more video’s 👍🏻👍🏻
How many miles did you do when you got to the charging station? Also you need a topbox for the cables when you have the fast charge tank, and cost of that add on is a lot extra. Don't get me wrong I would love to ride one, and if I owned one I would always have regen on max.
I may be factually incorrect here, but, riding in Beast mode (full regen) it really only made very minimal increases to the %
RichyVida anything is better than nothing when you have a small range 😀
@@RichyVida It would be good to see some solid statistics on what regeneration actually provides. Across a whole discharge what proportion can realistically be recovered 5%, 10%?
Cross country on those sorts of roads doubt there would be that much variation between mode consumption. They are supposed to be very efficient so 1 mile will use a given amount of power to cover it and drag would be in same ball park in either direction. The reason they are better in slower speed urban environments plus no "tickover" loss when stuck in traffic.
Fast long drags at 60/70 plus will see higher rates of consumption as drag builds rapidly?
Expensive upfront costs. Wonder how long the low running costs would take to recoup that initial cost. Not sure I would want to wait an hour. Informative video.
You can do the calc, no maintenance to speak of without fluids, chain or moving parts. Apart from tire changes and cheap charging (or even free with solar on your roof) you ride for free. You only have to balance your time differently
Being on the leading edge of something always has a greater cost. I consider it an investment in the future - not just mine, but everyone’s. The more people to finance innovation, the less the individual cost. Electric is coming.
Fascinating stuff Richy, it does look good. I think 1 hour charge time is pretty impressive. I think you need to get a piece of cardboard and a peg, clip it to the forks so it flaps on the spokes and makes a motorbike noise like we used to with our pushbikes when we were kids, lol. I imagine the £3.00 it would have cost to charge while you were out is more than it would cost to charge it at home, that £3.00 probably includes charge towards the cost of the charging points and charging infrastructure! Loving the reviews by the way.
Going with the 60/80 miles realistic range it's really a commuter bike. I'd love to try one but maybe when it's a bit further down the line.
It was handy that the charge point was free and not in use by another person with perhaps another one waiting. If it was, you'd then have to decide whether to go and find another or wait for quite some time I'd guess.
That is a nice group of bikes in your garage just now. As somebody else has said, what if you arrive at your remote car park with one charger and somebody got there before you ? Infrastructure is not ready yet so its still 95 octane for me for a few years I think.
If you used the most frugal, most economical throttle use and still kept it in 'Beast" mode would the range be better than if you selected super duper economy mode? You said at best what, 160 miles range? Here in hilly, windy Oregon, especially heading North into the teeth of one of our daily summer coastal gales, I would expect the range to suffer greatly despite the best efforts to keep the throttle use light.
That acceleration is awesome
I didn’t knew that the żero rs has a half faired version , it looks absolutley beautiful and I’m more into retro bikes but this one i admit it looks great, modern but not extreme. Imagine if battery tech improves in such a way that they can make a smaller battery with the same energy density inside, they will become lighter a more fun to ride , they might also put a gyro inside to help the bike stay upright all the time, a motorcycle and any one of any size can ride!
Strange thinking I have ridden this actual bike, when I popped in to see Alec at the EEMC I simply had to take it out for a quick spin!, a couple of weeks ago. The top box did rattle a tad on the bumpy road. I was surprised how tiny it felt when flat-footing it like a toy compared to my FJR! In beast mode, it was mad when the front wheel lifts up, really good fun!!! that £1.55 would be 3 X less if you charged it at home too! we pay 11p per KW at home and our local rapid charger is 26p per KW. Contactless chargers are a lot easier to use than the other ones, when you need to download the app, set up a payment method etc.
Oh nice one! Glad you saw the vid then. Yes, the top box did rattle a bit. 👍
@@RichyVida watch this space, I am currently designing an Electric Motorcycle Owners Group logo for EEMC
Since the charging port is where it is, what happens if you have it charging and its raining and you have to drive somewhere and you get water in the charging port when pulling out your cable?
Cool vid Richy, think the volume on my phone must be knackered though, cos I couldn't hear that bike at all!!! That's the future right there methinks & it's definitely a nice looking bike!! So Cheers for the spin on it. I'm looking forward to seeing the next video on it. Awrabesht mate. 😉👍
Great, I like the overtake with speedo turned off lol
I think you’ve become what RUclips calls an influencer... Btw, Richy you have the patience of a Saint.
....how big is the battery unit - or is it a series of a few of them connected together ? I used to hear of the advancement of superconductors which will make batteries smaller 'in the future' - so imagine if the batteries were the size of a coke can and they were stacked together in two fake 'silencers' - then when one stack runs down you can just switch to the other set !?!
Good video. Two things I don’t like about electric bikes. No sound and no gears. I love going through the box and hearing a bike. It’s a visceral experience. I like having a clutch and gears too much not sure how I’ll get on with electric bikes.
Great review. Thanks!
Hello, How does that charging up in 1 hour work when you have a 6KW charcher and a 14KWh battery??
Interesting editing. You forgot to mention you missed the car park the first time. Rode through Hope. Turned around in Castleton would be my guess then rode back lol.
That said.
What and an amazing bike.
When I was younger I feared moterbikes would of had their day when the oil runs out. (Back in the 80’s)
There was no sign of this type of technology for m/c’s then.
But this shows the future.
It won’t be long before mass produced Japanese bikes at affordable will be here.
And the charging problem will be overcome :-)
I think these electric bikes are great. For those where they can charge at home and work, and never ride out more than the range.. its perfect. Even the odd ride where you need to stop off and charge. Am sure it won;t suit all, which is fine. Yes its expensive, and personally i prefer my bikes to have more sport than tour, but the price and charge times will come down on future bikes.
Obviously water and electricity don't mix. If it was raining hard can you still use the chargers safely does it seal well from charger to the bike battery. Its probably a silly question but I've not experience of this technology.
Not a silly question at all, in fact it’s one I raise in the next (I think) vid 👍
Interesting review but leaves me with loads of questions. You say your riding buddies may not like waiting for you to recharge, but what if 3 of your buddies are also electric? How long is the wait then. Plus, what if you arrive at your charge station & another group of 4 are already waiting?? Also I’m not sure of the etiquette. Are you supposed to wait with your vehicle as it recharges so that you can hand the charge point over to the next in line without delay, or can you bugger off down the Devils Arse for a couple of hours and let people wait?
More charging points will alleviate some of the issues, but I’m not sure I’m sold just yet. Keep up the good work sir
For my group I am the only one who rides an EV. So the 160km range on my bike kind of determines where we can go and where we have to stop for lunch.
Most places we end up at tend to have more than 1 charging station, or in the worst case I can plug in at the e-bicycle chargers and do a slow charge.
As for the etiquette, in my experience etiquette is enforced by a Type 2 cable. Or a padlocked Type 1. I've had bicyclists unplug my scooter from a regular outlet because they felt that it was only to charge electric bicycles. And there's no locking a regular wall plug.
Ofcourse if I know that there's more people waiting to charge I won't get more charge than I really need. Usually a 20-80 charge is all I need and that takes maybe 30 minutes.
Best thing to do when all charging points are taken and there are none nearby is to just buy the boys a round of coffee and cake. Still costs less than paying for petrol.
Very interesting Richy and definitely where the future lies but I can't see it in my future. 60 in Sept and looking at getting my next bike in the next few weeks, top of the list at the moment is the Triumph Speed Triple RS. Just waiting for the deals to appear. (I'd like to have a go on one through!!)
Like it.
But, consider;
If the top box and tank were covered in solar panels it would recharge in the sun. Even if you ran out.
Why does no manufacturer give you the option to wind it down to about 50hp to massively extend your range? I ride everywhere now on about 50hp (Eastern Europe last year) and it was ample. I think range is a big gripe for most folks. (Plus price)
Lack of noise can be altered. Turn the exhaust into an electrical speaker. Have engine modes to simulate singles, twins, fours, triples etc. etc. Exhaust (speaker output to match)
Turn the volume up or down depending on location like you do on the radio.
There are answers to all the questions if you think long enough.
Give it time. If it's the only way I can ride in 30yrs, bring it on.
Happy travels
It has a 14Kwh power pack. Solar panels on the tank and top box would hardly do anything - especially if it ran out.
Best looking e-bike so far.
From some angles it reminds me of a 2007 blue er6f
That’s quite a choice of bikes you’ve got there Rich 👍 Well jealous 😉
For hayfever, try rubbing vaseline across your nose and just under your nose. It's like an off switch as long as I remember to do it before I go out, as the pollen sticks to the vaseline
Really interesting. As a commuter this would be excellent, however cost wise it doesn’t stack up at the moment. It would need to pay for itself in 4 years against public transport costs so about 10-12k for me.
Hi Richie, did you find yourself taking it slower with the electric bike?
I’m on my second hybrid car and I find I drive slower on electric, it just seems calmer. I get in my 400bhp Z4 or ride my Tuono and for some reason the world goes into hyper drive ! My son in law works for Tesler, the battery ranges are going to get huge, they are thinking about charging your car on low cost electric midnight to 6, then when you get back from your daily commute, plug the car into the house to put power back into the running of your home.
I test rode this when my then current bike was a ZZR1400 and I was impressed with the torque it was as least as quick as the ZZR1400 up to 90mph whether in standing starts or roll on's. However after that the bike runs out of power almost as if there was a limiter. The other issue was range the dealer told me that if I rode it in the same manner as the Z it's range would be around 80 miles. Total waste of time for the riding I do and that's before considering the cost of the thing. There are other bikes they sell that would be perfect for short to mid range commuting but again when you consider the cost they are extremely expensive for that. For me to consider one the price needs to come down quite a bit, the range needs to be at least 250 miles with a mixture of sporty and touring riding and the charging times need to decrease, that said they were offering a fast charging lead at a knockdown price of £2000.
bampie1 How many bikes have a range of 250? 250 would be great, but we have a ways to go before that’ll be very viable on a bike. Unless you’re set on crossing the country on a road trip, electric has the ability now to keep you on the road. It’s expensive, but what new tech isn’t? Price drops with time and new innovation.
Hi Richy, Planning on having a ride up to Derbyshire on Saturday, is the Station café open at Grindleford, even if its just for take away that would be good, cheers, Andy
Yes mate all up and running. Just take out only.
@@RichyVida Thankyou
Hmm not sure need better range for me and a lower rice tag but as time moves on things will get better but does not have the same sound as 4 stroke motor on song enjoy have fun.
Do you think biker cafes will fit them how many will they need to fit ?????
Yes I absolutely think they will - or they definitely should!
All the owners of these companies should be investing in a shelter over the top of these charging ports. I quite like the look of the bike.. I laughed the first time u give it throttle I thought u stuck a sound effect in the video haha
Hahaha! Yeah I agree mate. If it had’ve been raining, I wouldn’t have been so positive!
?is electric the way forward in your opinion ?
I’m presuming that your pay and display fee is included in the charge price? That would work out nicely, charge up,have a brew cost £1:55 for parking and charging...
I would assume that. You defo wouldn’t want to be paying for parking just because you’re “filling” up.
Interesting video 👍🙂
Out riding alone it's not too bad waiting for the bike to charge, unless it's pouring down obviously, or if you are out in a group of e-motorbikes, or if someone else just pulled up at the charging station before you, or ... etc etc ... For me charging time is really the weakest point of these things, unless you intend to use them solely for commuting - and you don't live in a flat ..
Apart from that, nice video, I could see myself riding one of these one day, when the above issues have been resolved.
Any idea how many of these they have sold? Would be interested to know.
I’ll ask the question 👍
For my 2p worth, only good for commuters or the circular rides out and at min 18 k its a bit expensive for my pocket. You couldnt realy tour, long journeys on one. Think for the cost, lack of charge points, waiting to charge for me its a none starter..... But a very watchable video agan Mr RV 👍 keep it up mate and ride safe 👍
Richy, what jacket was you wearing look very water proof
Richa ARC 👍
Good city commuter. Ride to work, plug it in, ride home. Short tours on the weekends...
Imagine each and every of your co-workers does the same with their vehicles 9 a.m. until 5 p.m. Electric consumption will rise beyond everything...we will blow every electricity supply. Nice idea, but I will stick with my old-fashioned bike. Also, a lot of road reconstruction will be required, because you can't traffic by ear any longer.
The bike looks attractive but the charging will be an issue until there are public charge points in huge numbers. Besides the price the big one for me with all EVs is that the use of precious metals in producing batteries means that the sustainability or green credentials are highly questionable. The industry does not like to talk about the metals mining/extraction/ slave labour side of things but it is the reality.
Or the recycling😉
Looks good. Bring down the price, extend the range, shorten the charging time and I'd consider one. Nice review, cheers.
Do you think it could be used as a track day bike? Recharging during a lunch break?
Can’t see why not!
@@RichyVida Might well overheat. Also, full bore on track dramatically reduces range...
"BEAST MODE" comes from an old console game, Alterd Beast from 1988 and beast mode has been a popular saying ever since, specially amongst programmers and gamers.
Loved altered beast! 😅 Forgot about that game.. Bosses were well hard..
Once they start to put solid state (new generation) batteries in them, then they become a real proposition, as a viable regular bike.
Interesting but still along way to go. Far to long to recharge and that`s without a queue waiting to use the charge point, but I suppose it`s the future.
Richy - can you do a test to see how much it affects the range on a two up ride compared to solo on the same route?
Sadly the bike has gone now, but I do have 2 more vids coming out with it. It’s interesting to see how different styles of riding make a difference to the charge. I would say the extra weight of two up would definitely have an impact on range. But how much of an impact i don’t know.
@@RichyVida There's always a next time!
Fossil fuel is a finite resource. One day we will run out of it. Electric bikes are probably the future whether we like it or not.
Perhaps ,like ride modes, there could be a sound mode where different sounds could be generated i.e Harley, vee 4 etc