They've existed even before that, but the shutdown of those digital stores has definitely been a middle finger to preservation and certainly encourages more piracy.
The fact big companies like Nintendo and EA simply pretend their classic games don't exist is quite sad. I would totally buy their old games if they simply bothered to let them available to be purchased. But since they don't care might as well sail the seven seas.
@SammEater Grr, I hate how Nintendo treats fans or older Nintendo consoles like garbage! Also, it's better for gamers (including me) to stop buying remakes/remasters of retro triple AAA games (including the Nintendo ones) and instead, start buying indie games and AA games.
@@SammEater With Nintendo it's even more bizarre, because unlike EA which acts like their old games don't exist, Nintendo pretends they're readily available.
@@notimportant3033 If nobody is owned by governments or companies, this could be true. If companies and governments own nobody and nothing, this could be a reality.
@@imacg5 That's not what it means. They all want you to live as a serf, eternally indebted to them and unable to break free. You will own nothing but they will own you.
Any minute spent on old games = Minutes lost that could have been on current consoles with micro transactions and DLC. Any dollar spent on old games = Dollars lost that could have been used on current games, micro transactions, and DLC.
Wait, how does this make sense? Why would you WANT micro-transactions and DLC as a paid service? Any minute spending time acquiring classic video games = worthwhile as we can SAVE and keep, but generally if you do it the ALT way... >:D Any minute spent on current video games = life lost because they can take them away at a moment's notice and you are out the money you spent to acquire it because of their FORCED RENTAL CONSOLES. Thus, video game preservation.
That's not my point@@borginburkes1819 . My point was it sounded like that is a desired outcome, not any forceful pushback against this type of behavior.
They can't let the younger zoomers and Gen Alpha knowing games once shipped complete with unlockables including cosmetics,secrets, cheat codes and etc. Oh and when there were expansions (Half Life Opposing Force and Blue Shift for example) they were worth the price of admission and didn't come with cosmetics you had to purchase.
they dont know because they grew into everything on a phone etc. they dont know nothing before the phones existence. or what it was like before computers were everywhere ; etc. they dont have that experience and never will. they were born into a "fast and messy world". id rather go back to being a little "slower"
The irony here is that it is the software pirates who are now the good guys. They have enabled the preservation of a huge amount of games. Long may they continue to do so!
@@SawGudman Piracy is not theft. Piracy is monopoly infringement. That is a big difference. Property laws are there so people can keep their stuff. Monopolies are put in place to prevent people from having stuff, so that those people -who would otherwise produce their own stuff- need to buy it instead. When you copy something, you do not take anything. No one loses property. So you are not stealing. What you are doing is using your own resources to produce something - a copy in this case. And if that something is restricted by monopolies (like copyright) than you would be violating a monopoly.
@@dr.c2195 I wish I could take credit for this, but a user on one of the plethora of RUclips vids I've seen on this topic said "if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing", and I think they're absolutely right. The comment was made in response to the ability for companies to take away access to content people have paid for via DRM, but I think it applies here too, especially since subscriptions are DRM in different clothing.
They don't want you playing old games because they're better, lmao. It's not a nostalgia thing either cause I've gone and played heaps of classics I've never played before, on systems I've never played before, and they've become my favourite games ever.
It’s amazing how even the younger generations have picked up on this and are into retro games. I kept telling them that Minecraft sucks. Now they can believe me.
And its so annoying that AAA apologists will try to convince you that old games are actually bad and you're just nostalgic. They use the most bizarre mental gymnastics
Tax it! 50% of revenue and 50% of the absolute value of the profits, so that they pay whether they make or lose money. Render all this Service As A Substitute completely unviable as a business model.
@@elwen8525Agreed 💯 percent. I am currently enjoying a pirated version of Specs Ops in all its glory and at chapter 11. Gem of a game preserved by those gamer friendly pirates. If buying digital games isn't owning, pirating games isn't stealing... it's sharing.
Kudos to all the thieves for copying illegally games for generations to enjoy. You are all champ-thieves. (There, I corrected the sentence with its true meaning for you).
@@clapiotis These pirates are simply sharing games not stealing them. They don't break into the offices of developers or steal anything. If buying a game isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing. (There, I corrected you to bring you out of your fantasy land).
@@syeddanishanwer The whole "Buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing" line is tried and stupid and you know it. By your logic I can record a movie in the theater because "Well I don't own the movie I need to wait months and get it again for $25 more so I can pirate it." Seriously you don't need to be so pretentious and self-righteous when you don't care about video game preservation
If you play older games you realize just how bad and soulless the AAA game space is. Indie game developers are the only people who come up with unique fun games anymore. There are thousands of fantastic games to play on the ps2 alone. Emulation and steam are a true gift.
the problem with indie games is that every one of them feels they have to use the 8bit graphic style for nostalgia. I want a good AA game, not AAA, but AA, something that has solid graphics and is innovate or changes the game somehow. We lose that middle ground these days
I play alot of older games only because they are more fun and enticing than newer games. Even my son enjoys playing the older games that I've been playing than the newer games. Not to say that there aren't some good current games, they are just far and few. You have alot of rushed unfinished games, micro transactions, buggy and so on. No love and passion is involved anymore and it certainly shows. It's priority is now money first. It's kinda sad really. When you make with love, it shows. When you make without it, it shows. Awesome video sir. ❤
Even back then it was about money. Games weren’t cheap like they are now. A 60$ game was a lot more expensive when people earned 3$ an hour instead of the current 15-20an hour on the low end of employment.
@@Bonanzaking You're right. I mean look at the Atari 2600 at it's later years. ET, Pac-man, Amidar, Pooyan. The mentality was for them to release it and we'd buy it just because of the name even if it's bad. The passion and love started with the NES, Genesis and SNES. Most companies put in alot of passion into these games for these consoles but there are some who didn't and we know where they ended up. I see the same thing happening for current generations if these companies keep doing what they are doing. I was so disappointed when Cyberpunk 2077 came out and I had very high hopes for it. So many broken games released for that quick buck.
@@AmberShort i still remember playing the original Pokémon games as a kid on my gameboy that felt like games built on passion compared to the more modern releases. The games were expensive back then. Now a game is less than half a days wage. It wasn’t so not too long ago.
Because you can't milk old games. They were made before the internet allowed for constant smooth patches, so most of the time games had to be released complete and full of content. Sure, you'd get one or two expansions and few balance patches, but they were made with the idea of selling once. Now the leading mentality is to release just the skeleton of the game and sell all the good stuff later at extra price, sometimes higher than a whole game ten years ago.
This is the best expose I've ever listed to regarding the preservation situation in gaming. I also appreciated your critique of games journalism. It's worth it for us to own our games physically or DRM free.
Imagine if any other industry were this blatantly anti-consumer. "NOOOO you can't watch Citizen Kane you have to watch the latest Adam Sandler movie!!!"
Only the entertainment industry can get away with this. Not just MAFIAA, others have done insane things as well. In the music industry there was the Loudness War that ultimately benefited nobody. Then Sony Music using malware as DRM in music CDs.
Then again in this fast paced society where this generation has a short attention span and has difficulty understanding complex themes with little to no humor who would want to sit down and watch Citizen Kane start to finish? At least the Adam Sandler movies are easy to understand with characters that keep your attention and has humor audiences can enjoy. A better comparison was Nirvana and MGK
You absolutely nailed it, i have always preferred the physical copy of a game and I still have my old school hardware. and I have 2 very good used video game stores in my area a few blocks apart that can fix anything that goes wrong and always have a great selection of games. Old school games will never die. Good stuff.
You are quite lucky to have them nearby. Sadly, retro video game stores are starting to die quite rapidly :( Particularly in the less densely populated areas.
Old school games will def die. The avg person doesn't even know where their old games went. Ask your non-passionate gamer friends where their old games are and you'll see. Its up to us to preserve them! (I just started collecting physical copies again and have a ton of digital ones).
When you play old games you realize how much better they are and you will demand more from modern game studios. This is why they don't want you playing old games.
This is a great discussion. Before I feel like we paid less and got more in terms of content, replay value, and gameplay design/gameplay loop. Now we pay more and get gorgeous looking games but we don't own it and probably won't play it through again multiple times, they're more like movies that you'll watch once every other year if even that. They want us all to be at their mercy in terms of "ownership" where they own everything and you keep renting from them.
I'm also afraid that someday games on streaming platforms like Microsoft xCloud become a popular thing and companies start to launch their titles exclusively on them. If that happens, games would be server-sided and could never be downloaded, thus would be terrible for both preservation and game ownership, since you would be tied to a subscription to keep accessing them and they could be removed at any moment.
@@BagOfMagicFood That's exactly it. You had to pay for the service and then pay after for each game you wanted to stream, and you still owned nothing! That's not even getting into the fact that latency was an issue and a lot of people don't have good enough internet even now for that kind of service. Streaming games is a lot more demanding than streaming music and movies.
That is exactly the direction they are going in. Make no mistake, any given industry is going to have long term road maps for the direction they want to go in, and it is easier and easier to manipulate consumers in this day of everything collecting telemetry on everybody. They do these thing at a slow and steady pace so that most people don't notice, and those that do get shut down as anti-progress or conspiracy theorists. Microsoft got themselves in hot water with the release of the Xbox-One by trying to limit the sale of used games if memory serves. That goal has been there for a long time most likely, but they tried to push too hard and too fast. Then the Ps5 has a digital-only model, and even with many "physical" copies of modern games you still have to go online to get day one patches or verify the game, assuming the disc isn't just there to hold a digital key for online purchase. Many modern computer towers don't even have slots for DVD/Bluray drives in the front anymore because who wants to buy a physical copy of something when you can just buy a DRM riddled copy that won't work offline or stream it.
it's like the movie industry is saying -> We don't want you to watch old better movies because then you would automatically know that new movies sucks ass .............mostly! ;)
That's just like the cell phone industry you wonder why your cell phone always gets slower time it's a thing called planned obsolescence and every time you get one of those stupid updates it actually slows down your phone's performance
What game companies need to learn is that the only way to destroy piracy is to give consumers what they want. It doesn't matter how many rom sites they shut down. People will always find a way.
I just wanted to add that everything you say is also true for movies and music. And that's why they invented the concept of "trendy" and "outdated". When I talk about old music, youngsters tell me I'm "lame and outdated". They've been brainwashed by the capitalist industry to consume only new things. (I'm not anti-capitalist though) The day we get rid of that mindset, we'll respect again old stuff, and life will be much more enjoyable.
That's an excellent point. In a lot of ways. this really is just another example of consumerism in society as a whole. I actually wouldn't mind doing a video comparing video games to music in the future.
@@psymagearcade That would be a really good video topic. Ppl see things w/ a very narrow view but the sad truth is these changes fueld by greed are true of most industries today!
I agree that these companies need to preserve these classic games because if it wasn't for those games, they wouldn't be where they are today. I'm in favor of classic compilations that are well made, and buying digital downloads. But, I'm against subscribing to A service in order to play classic games.
They don't need to really. The classic old games are not worth much to hang on to. How much are you willing to pay for Mario World Duckhunt in today's world? The maximum I would be willing to pay for that is $5. And the audience who is willing to pay for that game is miniscule. Nintendo rather charge more than $30 per game to get profit. They also have to see all the missing opportunities of cash coming in due to 2nd hand market. So a $30 game would cost less overall but when time flies by, that game could be worth more in a 2nd hand market that Nintendo never get hold of. Example Fire Emblem Radiance. To me, they don't hate preservation because they don't see $$$ profit as much. It's pure greed.
There really should be some kind of international video game repository where anything you want to play is right at your fingertips on a unified software platform online. Each game should also be accompanied with research content as much as possible including interviews and articles about the games' development process to credit the teams that created the said games.
A problem with that is that if a single company owned that whole repository and all the rights to all games within it, they can charge outrageous prices and have really sketchy policies. But hey, that's just my two cents.
@@newgameld2512 I was meaning a repository or a museum that's publicly funded through donations. Yeah if it's owned by one or two companies then we wind up right back in the situation we're in now.
I think there was something along these lines in 1984: "He who controls the present, controls the past, and he who controls the past, controls the future." If they could, they'd be erasing all history, so nobody could know things had ever been otherwise.
Good video. One point about Xbox back-compat. They have more recently said that they want as many Activision Blizzard games on Game Pass as possible. I expect the back-compat team has been hard at work on getting Activision games running. Microsoft said they’d reached the limit of what their current technology and licensing allowed. When it comes to popping in the disc and running the game, the main limitation is what the publisher allows. Once the ABK purchase is complete, Microsoft can add a tonne of Activision games to the back-compat list. And those that don’t have other licensing issues (music, etc.) can also be added for digital sale.
Lets just cut to the chase. Majority of these new games just suck.. Its like something is missing. Sure it has pretty graphics and new engines with the bells and whistles but the story mostly sucks, variety sucks, no replay value, being repetitive, etc. Dont get me started with paying for extra content. It just seems no reason to really even play these new games. Its like the gaming industry is just not listening to its customers and just giving us crap and acting all surprise when the games fail. I mean i get making games a new generation but the idea of a video games was to make them fun. Fun factor.. Its crazy to me how the older games have crummy graphics but fun as hell to play.
Or some older games are still being updated by the fans. Take X-Wing Alliance for example on the PC. It was released back in 1999. And even now it receives updates from the game community. From a complete graphics overhaul, sound overhaul to a complete incorporation of the classic TIE Fighter game. I don't see things like this happening with the current games. Call of Duty 47, Battle Field 198 etc.
As an elder millenial, I had been not gaming much for some years, but as of the past five years or so, I've been playing a lot of indie games: Celeste, Hollow Knight, Ori, Afterimage, Thumper, A Hat in Time, Cuphead, Ender Lillies, Hue, Bloodstained. It seems that hard 2D platformers run in my veins.
I am playing Legend of Zelda TP and Enternal Darkness Sanity’s Requiem…. Freaking awesome games and ED is 20+ years old and is still holds up very well, a masterpiece in many ways
@@h0laPlaneta No installation times? Funny, I have dim memories of feeding in a handful of floppy disks to install DOS games back in the early 1990s. Or a CD from the mid-1990s to mid-2000s (and the game often didn't come close to filling it). Games you can play without installing them were a rarity. The Lost Mind of Dr Brain is close. It runs off the CD and relies on the Windows 3.1 equivalent of a Start Menu shortcut to point it to where you want your saved games, so it takes next to no disk space, but there's still technically an installation step to set up that shortcut.
Several reasons why Big Corporations don't want people to get older Games. They don't want people to enjoy older games and realize that Games once were delivered WITHOUT myriads if DLCs that sell you 90% of the games content and they also didn't require you to have an always-on DRM launcher with additional account. Simply said we are supposed to be just consumers and always being excited for the next new product. And in many cases they also fear the pile of license troubles and royalties for the original developers. When Sony ditched backwards compatibility for their PS1, PS2 and PS3 games, you could tell they don't give a damn anymore what so ever.
@@elijahhernandez906 What? PS3 Fat was backwards compatible with PS2 and 1. PS5 can play PS4. People really don't realize what actually goes into backwards compatibility
Completely agree with this video. Things are so messed up in the industry and It feels like its just getting worse everyday. Thank you for speaking out about this!
This, alongside with licensing problems are what holding old game rerelease. This problem occurs towards bit newer titles. Examples are: Old NFS? Need to relicense the musics and cars. Old Forzas? Idem. Old sport games? Yet another licensing issue if it was used. Old GTA? Songs deleted because licensing issues. Sega's outrun? Ferrari holding it back. There's also a prototype of GoldenEye 007 for xbla... Only to be cancelled because James Bond licensing. But it got discovered somehow.
I feel like these licensing deals need to be more modernized going forward to cover re-releases in order to avoid these situations. I don't know how companies in other industries would feel about that though.
I collected a few thousand roms on my own. But then I broke down and bought a consoleX2pro just to collect 126,000 roms in a niced menu's package. Just copied the card on my pc and I have it all, just deplaced the emulators with my custom once and kept the sweet menu. You can have everything from 2005 and earlier compacted and easy to play. I bought my thing like 2 years ago. Probably a better version now. Just research. Fuck the corporations. This shit belongs to everyone and it is not preventing them from selling new games. No one loses...unless these classic works of art disappear. Then everyone loses.
those consoles dont have enough space for all the isos....i have over 200 000 games on my hdds....all the gc, ps2, wii, ps1, saturn, ps3 for example....games takes to much space for the consoles and windows 10 is more compatible with roms
I've bought one of those TV sticks. It came with a 128 gb SD card filled with 40k+ games from basically all consoles up to the PSP and PlayStation 1. From the era of my childhood till my early 30's. It came with 2 wireless controllers as well, which work very well. I've copied the SD card over to my laptop and can play all the old classics when I want. The total cost of the whole things pretty much equals the price for a single PC or console game today. Not counting possible DLC's and other cash grabs.
The video game industry wanted to turn video games into fast food and never care about physical gaming and wanted to sell the next game in there menu. To this day the video game industry never call video games as "ART" as they rather wanted you to see them as disposable gaming.
The newest problem for PC gaming is the ongoing problem of preserving and playing Windows 3.1 games on modern systems, as Steam and GOG still currently doesn't have any Windows 3.1-era games on their storefronts emulated via OTVDM, due to the fact that Microsoft discontinued the NTVDM and the 16-bit Windows on Windows subsystems in Windows 11. Wish to see Ziggurat Interactive, Piko Interactive, Pixel Games UK or Night Dive Studios re-release old Windows 3.1-era PC Games on Steam and GOG using OTVDM in the future.
Oh yeah, I didn't even think about 3.1. Granted, it didn't last that long because Windows 95 took off, but there are games from that era that need to be preserved.
@@GenyaArikado No. Windows 3.1. There are some games made just for 3.1 that aren't DOS based, albeit there aren't many of them though. That was right before Windows 95 took off.
They’re right. I’m not a potential customer. I have everdrives and everdrive similar devices on all my classic systems and when Nintendo comes out with overpriced streaming services to play crappy emulations of old N64 games, nes games and snes games, I’m not interested. I prefer my old systems and I’m happier there. There’s entire businesses focused on making buying old hardware a lot more fun and interesting.
Also one of the reasons why I support 'game preservation' AND fight against 'games as a service/gamepass/cloud subscriptions etc..' and DRM. Because one ultimately will not own their games.
If they actually let those games available, but they won't even do that. There are some games that companies that Nintendo simply won't re-release no matter how many players want access to those.
Remakes are often warranted, but the original games should never be delisted. Dead Space and Resident Evil did it right. Remasters, I think are a lot less warranted, though I think it's fine if the original game was never on PC to begin with. I'd be perfectly fine with a _proper_ Red Dead Redemption 1 remaster, for instance.
@@KazeiraPorts are trying to be replacements? Lmao, what? A port is the exact same game reworked to run natively on newer hardware. It's like saying the fan port of SM64 on the Wii is somehow different.
Loved your video! You are absolutely correct that the Industry is Curbing Competition. After all they do not just compete with contemporary games, but from games across time.
*3* *IDEAS* 1. Library Collections - Send in requests to public libraries to create a classic games collection that people could check out and experience like they would DVDs. Perhaps there would be a special purpose room setup with the systems ready to go. Maybe start a petition and send it to congressmen. The petition would be to add classic games to the library of congress. It could be good for their next election. 2. Game Clubs - Establish classic game clubs on college campuses. Start chapters with universities that have a strong technical curriculum. 3. Commercial Opportunities - Recently there has been an uptick in classic arcades. Perhaps request these venues to include consoles as well. If not, then maybe create your own business where people can purchase day/week/month/year passes where they can play all of the classic games they want.
You forget how often GOG just gives stuff for free. Not as often as EPIC, but that free stuff is also DRM free. And I have now a pretty big library full of just free retro games there.
@@psymagearcade Yeah, GOG isn't perfect, they definetly have their own issues, (As evidenced by the launch of Cyberpunk) but they're absolutely killing it when it comes to preserving some retro games.
is monopolizing gonna be a way of life in the near future? We have to unite and fight for our right as a consumer no matter what business it is. Thank you for this video.
Before watching: My guess is that the more time people are playing older games, the less they're spending on microtransactions in modern games. Use FOMO to keep players coming back every day or week, flash premium cosmetics in their face at every turn, and remind them that they can buy convenience items, seasons, premium currencies, and/or individual cosmetics to avoid falling behind or looking unimpressive. More engagement! ...with players' wallets.
Great points. This is why I love my Polymega. Pretty much have every game I ever cared about from the mid-80s to the early 2000s on there. The UI also makes it easy to explore the entire library of each of the supported systems across all regions. I couldn’t care less about the vast majority of modern games as they are not really “games” anymore but simulations.
Very eye opening, thanks for this! I own an N64 and I buy cartridges, at the second-hand market of course, and I like to joke that I'm happy Nintendo isn't getting a single cent out of it. I also have a jailbroken Wii for all emulation purposes up to GameCube. 🎉
I walked into a GameStop two or three weeks ago for the first time in three years and it was a ghost town. It felt sad looking around for more than a minute or two. Wasn't much there either.
@@psymagearcade they'll fade away like the Toys R Us's and other "necessary" stores of their day. I do miss the fun times at Gamestop early 00s around Halo time lol
Excellent video, hopefully gaming doesn't crash. I've been playing since the 90's, and still have 3 of my childhood consoles. Atari 2600, Nintendo Entertainment System & Genesis.
Gaming won’t crash because there’s really only 3 options in games and 1st party made games don’t just crap out games to see if they will make money like release like 50 games a year
I buy tons of old (physical) games for dirt cheap prices. And I buy 100% of my games and consoles 2nd hand. No subscriptions. I don't give Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony any money directly. So....they must REALLY hate me!!
I love old fashioned survival horror games. When the video game of today is not giving me what I want. I have to go and play older titles like Resident Evil remake.
Let the Retro Community be a Thorn in their side holding them accountable, tearing business from them. Its time to stop treating these companies as potential sponsors and allies and as our abject enemies. Piracy is morraly justified. And holding on to physical media is a threat to their shareholders. The old games will run again.
I can really agree with this video, Gaming has been not good recently it feels like gaming got boring with newer games, Most newer Video Games have Microstransaction, Features being removed new games that we liked from older titles, Not interesting gameplay etc. the last time gaming felt fun me was back then for me was the PS3, X360, Wii and Wii U etc.
Yo!! Psymage arcade! Perfect video my friend! I couldn't have said it better. We need more videos like this. A lot of these new generation gamers need to be in the know and watch this video. I've been trying to tell my ol' lady's son about how much our video games were much better than their modern games. I think the PS3, WII and XBOX 360 era was the last great generation of gaming. The ps4 was also a great console too, but nowhere near as good as the previous gens.
Thank you! I'm glad you mentioned the PS3/360/Wii era because that was the last generation where I felt like we saw a big performance leap from the previous one. I still remember the hype for the 360 and PS3 and all the trailers back then and how much those systems blew my mind.
It's simple, video games should be subject to use it or loose it laws present in other mediums. If the owners of the content don't exercise rights by attempting to monetize then the IPs should enter public domain. I have no issue with paying a publisher for a work at a reasonable rate once every 20 years (ie remastered releases that add compatibility for new OS' or platforms), but if they just shelf it and don't offer it to the public then those titles should be free for others to resell.
They don't want older games because for their viewpoint in that they don't get any profit from it, so for why they don't want older games nor classic preservation in modern gaming, is because they not profitable anymore, so they see it as just simply toys, revelant to a certaint time, and later on to the trash or for no use. Crazy because those videogames are made by a lot of people and the amount of hours of programing, concept art and graphic design put in to it is crazy, specially the japanese because for their rigid and almost slave like work culture.
When it comes to "old-school" arcade games, the PS1 & PS2 probably have the best selection of "classic gaming collections" out of any of the older consoles. Many of the these collections were released on multiple consoles, but some were exclusive to SONY. It would certainly be nice if all these older collections got remastered & re-released on today's consoles. Something like "Atari 50 Anniversary Collection" is a good step in that direction. Hopefully SEGA, Namco, Taito, Midway, & others will follow suit.
Atari 50 was interesting in terms of the presentation and the bonus content. The game selection could have been better, but you can tell a lot of thought was put into it otherwise.
@@psymagearcadeYeah the Jaguar selection was not great. Granted the Jaguar didn’t have the best line up period but Trevor Mcfur was TERRIBLE. No AVP, Wolfenstein 3d, Doom..
@@Nick_Nightingale Most of the lack of games boils down to rights - Digital Eclipse were only able to get access to games that Atari owned rights to - lots of games were made by other companies.
Great video and I totally agree. I have several old consoles and use them with flash cartridges. That is my preferred way to play. However, I still buy rereleases of old games if they are done right. Video game preservation 4life !! And a perfect example of what you are talking about would be a game called "Contra Rebirth" it was a game that was released only on the Wii virtual store and now that Nintendo closed that site you no longer have access to purchase that game. It is really sad to see these companies not care.
As someone that has seen ,lived and gamed on every console ever made , just wait its gonna get worse in alot of ways the only thing that will get better is accessibility in ten to 5 years you won't need a console at all ...in fact everything including movies and every type of media will become rental, no such thing as ownership......the only owners will be the corpos
So I find this an interesting topic because a lot of it reflects television/movies and streaming. I finally cut off Netflix because I didn't want to support their poorer service for higher prices and less content. Then, I wanted to find some older shows and began to notice the complete lack of availability besides hunting ebay for an older or bootleg copy (The Critic, Dilbert, Titus). All the while, even newer shows find the chopping block and never even had a physical release (Westworld) I hate to say it, but we're going to go back to Piracy hard or for those who wise up, stop consuming couch media. Cause video games, music, TV/Movies and similar want to keep us in one place - spending money with no quality of life benefits. Great video and Opinion Piece. Definitely makes ya think.
From Atari Pong to the PS5 I own nearly every console ever released so I see myself as a video game historian and I am proud to know the whole history but it also makes me really sad that most people will never experience most historical points in gaming. The gaming industry is focused too much on technical evolution. No game is ever outdated. I know that games like Fifa are replaced each year but even those games are still respectable games. We have to stop thinking that games or graphics can be outdated and are replaced by their successors. I am not even joking by saying that even Pong is still a very good and playable game. Oh by the way I play most of the time retro games and I am rarely buying new games so I guess the gaming industry hates people like me. Subscription services are the saddest business model to me. Actually I play all my games on original hardware but I have to preserve my games and make my collection future proof so I am using ODEs, Everdrives and othe solutions where I can save and play my games on
As a younger gamer, even games from 15 to 20 years ago can be incredibly hard to experience. Pokémon games as recent as only _11_ years ago are starting to absolutely jump up in price. DS and GBA games in general can be very pricey, and 3DS and Wii U games are getting there, too. I don't think the 3DS Pokémon games will get much more expensive, because everything after XY is kind of just terrible, but other 3DS games will. Dragon Quest 8 is already expensive, DQ7 is pretty expensive, and so is Kid Icarus: Uprising. I'm sure Samus Returns, the Zelda games, Fire Emblem, Kirby(Epic Yarn, yikes), Mario&Luigi: Dream Team, the Atlus games, Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon, and more will also grow in price significantly over the next decade.
I'm 34 years old that I've been playing games as long as I can remember. Growing up with Nintendo Super Nintendo PlayStation 1 Nintendo GameCube Xbox and Xbox 360 Nintendo Wii and all sudden next-gen came after the Xbox 360. Nothing grabbed me. The only things that grabbed me were Destiny Destiny 2 and Warframe. Every other game that I bought I spent less than a couple hours playing. Now literally all I play is just Warframe. Warframe and all my old school games. When they start making games like they used to you no fun and not trying to grab every f****** penny out of you. Then I'll get back into a gaming again. Until then I'm happy what I have
It's telling that the few companies who are interested in real game preservation, by way of those massive Collections re-releases (such as the recent Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection) are all from companies that don't make consoles
I've been collecting games and original hardware since hurricane Katrina destroyed my life and everything I owned back in August 2005, after gen 8 I have refused to upgrade my console hardware ever again because I could tell 5 years ago in 2018 the industry I once knew and loved is not only long gone and never coming back but the industry that has replaced it will never live up to the golden age of 1990-2006 that came before it as the issues which plague the modern industry started around 2006-2007 and have only been getting worse. I'm much happier with previous gen hardware than wasting my money on the new stuff, its just not worth the money they're demanding of consumers anymore.
That is exactly what happens to me. I have a collection of Gameboy games. When I grow bored, I go to my Wii, then to my DS games. Afterwards I fire up my 2007 computer. Then my retro P1. My "new"PC (2012) gathers dust in a corner. I see no reason to upgrade. Oh, I will buy a PS4 later this year, lots of awesome games to play. Be like me.
I’m overwhelmed with too many video games. How am I going to finish any of my old games if I were to keep moving on to new games? That’s one reason why I haven’t bought the Xbox Series X. I did buy the PlayStation 5 though…but that was because my kids wanted to play Ratchet & Clank: A Rift Apart. I’ve instead been playing the Phantasy Star Online on the original Xbox using the fan-made Insignia servers (which ‘reactivate Xbox Live functionality on software-modded Xbox’s). I’ve also been playing NBA Jam (2004) for my original Xbox. I don’t have time to play (and spend money) on new games.
I always find it strange how older games get rinsed on the big gaming websites the way they do. “This game doesn’t play like as well as a modern one.” Well no shit. There’s more to going back to older stuff than just how it plays. Atmosphere, vibe, the pure historical aspect of seeing what was done with the tech available at the time. How can games ever be seriously considered as art when the manufacturers, gaming press, and even a lot of gamers keep treating it like a fucking product and nothing else?
That's the thing if games were universally considered as an art form then there'd be funding like there is for most of the arts, and in this case games and consoles, like we see for film and music that could help with preservation and protection of creative works. Huge point not really discussed by anyone else.
I just talked about this last week. Why would they want to sell you an old Madden game for $5 when they really want to sell you the new Madden game for $70.
Oh, we hit that point a long time ago. Somewhere around the mid-2000s. I remember running across an image comparing the G-Man from the Half Life franchise between Half Life 1, 2, and Alyx. There's a huge difference between Half Life 1 (1998) and Half Life 2 (2004), but a much smaller one between Half Life 2 and Half Life Alyx (2020). Seems to me that around the point where we got programmable shaders was the point of diminishing returns for graphics.
I have many gaming emulators and roms. NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, Sega Model 2, Nintendo 64, Nintendo GameCube, Atari, PlayStation 2, and Xbox 360. I definitely appreciate retro gaming preservation. I come from the time of Atari to SNES. I play my retro games on my laptop and I continue to love playing them. They won't stop me from playing my old games.
Nailing it on all accounts. Thanks for the honest take on so many historical references. Subscribed! It will be interesting to watch what Nintendo does with Switch 2, I'm expecting some kind of "limited" BC.
One of the big issues I think is, the hardware, unlike music or movies, that I can play a digital copy in my phone, even though I got them on iTunes almost 2 decades ago, is that we got the restrictions of hardware, gaming hardware can be so especific that one generation console is completely incompatible with the next gen one even though they are made by the same company, and kudos to Microsoft with their retro compatibility efforts on Xbox, which may not be perfect but it is good to have, but Sony and Nintendo are really leaving us in the dark being unable to easily play their libraries without any issue or being able to rediscover some classics, so yeah, it is either PC or emulation on PC. And I don't say, let's steal from the big corporations, for examply my PlayStation and Switch are not modded, but if I want to play a game from 25 years ago that is not compatible with modern hardware I rather download the ISO and emulate it with QOL improvements than paying too much to scalpers online to play on dodgy old hardware.
Nintendo closing down the Wii Shop Channel, the eShop, and others is the reason why rom sites are a thing.
They've existed even before that, but the shutdown of those digital stores has definitely been a middle finger to preservation and certainly encourages more piracy.
@@psymagearcadeit encourage you to buy re-release on newer console. That is their tactics
The fact big companies like Nintendo and EA simply pretend their classic games don't exist is quite sad. I would totally buy their old games if they simply bothered to let them available to be purchased. But since they don't care might as well sail the seven seas.
@SammEater Grr, I hate how Nintendo treats fans or older Nintendo consoles like garbage!
Also, it's better for gamers (including me) to stop buying remakes/remasters of retro triple AAA games (including the Nintendo ones) and instead, start buying indie games and AA games.
@@SammEater With Nintendo it's even more bizarre, because unlike EA which acts like their old games don't exist, Nintendo pretends they're readily available.
I'm reminded of "You will own nothing and be happy."
That's what I think a lot of companies want for consumers.
@@psymagearcade Not just companies, entire governments too.
They’re all in on it
@@notimportant3033 If nobody is owned by governments or companies, this could be true. If companies and governments own nobody and nothing, this could be a reality.
@@imacg5 That's not what it means. They all want you to live as a serf, eternally indebted to them and unable to break free. You will own nothing but they will own you.
Any minute spent on old games = Minutes lost that could have been on current consoles with micro transactions and DLC.
Any dollar spent on old games = Dollars lost that could have been used on current games, micro transactions, and DLC.
Yep, the gaming industry can't have those things happening.
Yo you just did an opportunity cost analysis between spending time on old game vs new. Good job!
Wait, how does this make sense? Why would you WANT micro-transactions and DLC as a paid service?
Any minute spending time acquiring classic video games = worthwhile as we can SAVE and keep, but generally if you do it the ALT way... >:D
Any minute spent on current video games = life lost because they can take them away at a moment's notice and you are out the money you spent to acquire it because of their FORCED RENTAL CONSOLES. Thus, video game preservation.
@@DaWhiteTygerthe company wants you buying micro transactions and DLC cuz they get away with selling less product for more money.
That's not my point@@borginburkes1819 . My point was it sounded like that is a desired outcome, not any forceful pushback against this type of behavior.
Actually the reason they don't want to preserve older games is GREED!!!!!!💵💵💵💵💵💵💵🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
Isn't that the reason for anything that involves companies?
@@supersonicmario56 Exactly, which is why I'm amazed at these videos getting so much attention when their so obvious!
That's the point of the whole video. Facts. It's about money. Plain and simple.
A...greed! lolz
Big N needs to realize proprietary consoles are all but dead now. PC is the way to go.
They can't let the younger zoomers and Gen Alpha knowing games once shipped complete with unlockables including cosmetics,secrets, cheat codes and etc.
Oh and when there were expansions (Half Life Opposing Force and Blue Shift for example) they were worth the price of admission and didn't come with cosmetics you had to purchase.
THIS. JUST. THIS. I myself am refusing to do any of this crap. My target is to make a good game, not a trash game, and AAA's methods ain't it, Chief!
they dont know because they grew into everything on a phone etc. they dont know nothing before the phones existence. or what it was like before computers were everywhere ; etc. they dont have that experience and never will. they were born into a "fast and messy world". id rather go back to being a little "slower"
The irony here is that it is the software pirates who are now the good guys.
They have enabled the preservation of a huge amount of games.
Long may they continue to do so!
always have been the good guys
They have always been the good guys.
@@SawGudman Piracy is not theft. Piracy is monopoly infringement. That is a big difference.
Property laws are there so people can keep their stuff. Monopolies are put in place to prevent people from having stuff, so that those people -who would otherwise produce their own stuff- need to buy it instead.
When you copy something, you do not take anything. No one loses property. So you are not stealing. What you are doing is using your own resources to produce something - a copy in this case. And if that something is restricted by monopolies (like copyright) than you would be violating a monopoly.
@@SawGudman Pirates do not take anything. Their crime is that of production, they produce copies.
@@dr.c2195 I wish I could take credit for this, but a user on one of the plethora of RUclips vids I've seen on this topic said "if buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing", and I think they're absolutely right. The comment was made in response to the ability for companies to take away access to content people have paid for via DRM, but I think it applies here too, especially since subscriptions are DRM in different clothing.
They don't want you playing old games because they're better, lmao. It's not a nostalgia thing either cause I've gone and played heaps of classics I've never played before, on systems I've never played before, and they've become my favourite games ever.
It’s amazing how even the younger generations have picked up on this and are into retro games. I kept telling them that Minecraft sucks. Now they can believe me.
@@AngryCalvin Yeah, Minecraft does suck. It didn't have to, either.
@@AngryCalvinMinecraft as a concept isn’t bad at all, it’s just the updates that completely ruined it
And its so annoying that AAA apologists will try to convince you that old games are actually bad and you're just nostalgic.
They use the most bizarre mental gymnastics
Same.
F*ck gaming as a service. Leave the power to the consumers! Physical releases and preservation are more important than greed.
I like physical media, but I think that DRM-free digital games are fine. DRM is the real enemy, not necessarily the digital files themselves.
Tax it! 50% of revenue and 50% of the absolute value of the profits, so that they pay whether they make or lose money. Render all this Service As A Substitute completely unviable as a business model.
@@Roxor128 taxing it is stupid
Kudos to all pirates for preserving games for generations to enjoy. You are all champs.
Ik I had to hand it to them for preserving spec ops the line on pc
@@elwen8525Agreed 💯 percent. I am currently enjoying a pirated version of Specs Ops in all its glory and at chapter 11.
Gem of a game preserved by those gamer friendly pirates. If buying digital games isn't owning, pirating games isn't stealing... it's sharing.
Kudos to all the thieves for copying illegally games for generations to enjoy. You are all champ-thieves.
(There, I corrected the sentence with its true meaning for you).
@@clapiotis These pirates are simply sharing games not stealing them. They don't break into the offices of developers or steal anything. If buying a game isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing.
(There, I corrected you to bring you out of your fantasy land).
@@syeddanishanwer The whole "Buying isn't owning, pirating isn't stealing" line is tried and stupid and you know it. By your logic I can record a movie in the theater because "Well I don't own the movie I need to wait months and get it again for $25 more so I can pirate it." Seriously you don't need to be so pretentious and self-righteous when you don't care about video game preservation
If you play older games you realize just how bad and soulless the AAA game space is. Indie game developers are the only people who come up with unique fun games anymore. There are thousands of fantastic games to play on the ps2 alone. Emulation and steam are a true gift.
I came to make this comment
the problem with indie games is that every one of them feels they have to use the 8bit graphic style for nostalgia. I want a good AA game, not AAA, but AA, something that has solid graphics and is innovate or changes the game somehow. We lose that middle ground these days
So true!
@@kylemulkey9659Same. But I kinda like the nostalgia.
I play alot of older games only because they are more fun and enticing than newer games. Even my son enjoys playing the older games that I've been playing than the newer games. Not to say that there aren't some good current games, they are just far and few. You have alot of rushed unfinished games, micro transactions, buggy and so on. No love and passion is involved anymore and it certainly shows. It's priority is now money first. It's kinda sad really. When you make with love, it shows. When you make without it, it shows. Awesome video sir. ❤
Agree 100%. Thank you for watching! Also, it's awesome that you got your son into classic video games.
Even back then it was about money. Games weren’t cheap like they are now. A 60$ game was a lot more expensive when people earned 3$ an hour instead of the current 15-20an hour on the low end of employment.
Yeah, the gotcha and freemium system has impacted the quality of newer releases.
@@Bonanzaking You're right. I mean look at the Atari 2600 at it's later years. ET, Pac-man, Amidar, Pooyan. The mentality was for them to release it and we'd buy it just because of the name even if it's bad. The passion and love started with the NES, Genesis and SNES. Most companies put in alot of passion into these games for these consoles but there are some who didn't and we know where they ended up. I see the same thing happening for current generations if these companies keep doing what they are doing. I was so disappointed when Cyberpunk 2077 came out and I had very high hopes for it. So many broken games released for that quick buck.
@@AmberShort i still remember playing the original Pokémon games as a kid on my gameboy that felt like games built on passion compared to the more modern releases. The games were expensive back then. Now a game is less than half a days wage. It wasn’t so not too long ago.
Because you can't milk old games. They were made before the internet allowed for constant smooth patches, so most of the time games had to be released complete and full of content. Sure, you'd get one or two expansions and few balance patches, but they were made with the idea of selling once. Now the leading mentality is to release just the skeleton of the game and sell all the good stuff later at extra price, sometimes higher than a whole game ten years ago.
To be fair That was a very. Big selling point for Xbox for years since PlayStation only had PlayStation now and you had to stream the ps3 games
This is the best expose I've ever listed to regarding the preservation situation in gaming. I also appreciated your critique of games journalism. It's worth it for us to own our games physically or DRM free.
Thank you! That means a lot to see that the message has resonated with people, because I've been thinking about this issue for a while.
We will one day have to tell our kids, "Yeah, video games used to come in these cases; you bought them in the store."
Imagine if any other industry were this blatantly anti-consumer. "NOOOO you can't watch Citizen Kane you have to watch the latest Adam Sandler movie!!!"
Haha yep. Or even better: "You can't listen to Nirvana. You can only listen to Machine Gun Kelly".
Only the entertainment industry can get away with this. Not just MAFIAA, others have done insane things as well. In the music industry there was the Loudness War that ultimately benefited nobody. Then Sony Music using malware as DRM in music CDs.
@@rps215Yep, even my poor innocent Amerie was affected by Sony in the mid 2000s by that.
Then again in this fast paced society where this generation has a short attention span and has difficulty understanding complex themes with little to no humor who would want to sit down and watch Citizen Kane start to finish? At least the Adam Sandler movies are easy to understand with characters that keep your attention and has humor audiences can enjoy. A better comparison was Nirvana and MGK
then no one watches the adam sandler movie; and movie bombs . then you hear crickets
You absolutely nailed it, i have always preferred the physical copy of a game and I still have my old school hardware. and I have 2 very good used video game stores in my area a few blocks apart that can fix anything that goes wrong and always have a great selection of games. Old school games will never die. Good stuff.
Sadly, I only have one retro gaming store nearby and they're alright, but their selection has gotten worse over time and they don't do repairs.
You are quite lucky to have them nearby. Sadly, retro video game stores are starting to die quite rapidly :( Particularly in the less densely populated areas.
Old school games will def die. The avg person doesn't even know where their old games went. Ask your non-passionate gamer friends where their old games are and you'll see. Its up to us to preserve them! (I just started collecting physical copies again and have a ton of digital ones).
The world is so dystopian that even the gaming industry is selling out
They sold out a long time ago
The games industry is the largest cog in the entertainment psyop regime. It makes more money than tv or movies right now.
@user-in8qh3zf9d with little reason to be that way. Men doing what is right in their own eyes, only doing evil continually.
When you play old games you realize how much better they are and you will demand more from modern game studios. This is why they don't want you playing old games.
This is a great discussion. Before I feel like we paid less and got more in terms of content, replay value, and gameplay design/gameplay loop. Now we pay more and get gorgeous looking games but we don't own it and probably won't play it through again multiple times, they're more like movies that you'll watch once every other year if even that. They want us all to be at their mercy in terms of "ownership" where they own everything and you keep renting from them.
I'm also afraid that someday games on streaming platforms like Microsoft xCloud become a popular thing and companies start to launch their titles exclusively on them.
If that happens, games would be server-sided and could never be downloaded, thus would be terrible for both preservation and game ownership, since you would be tied to a subscription to keep accessing them and they could be removed at any moment.
Yep, that would be a great example of "You own nothing" if that comes true.
@@psymagearcade Was the Google Stadia the same sort of thing? Now you can't get any games exclusive to that!
@@BagOfMagicFood That's exactly it. You had to pay for the service and then pay after for each game you wanted to stream, and you still owned nothing! That's not even getting into the fact that latency was an issue and a lot of people don't have good enough internet even now for that kind of service. Streaming games is a lot more demanding than streaming music and movies.
And if they can take the games away forever, they can keep using Fear Of Missing Out as a selling point...
That is exactly the direction they are going in. Make no mistake, any given industry is going to have long term road maps for the direction they want to go in, and it is easier and easier to manipulate consumers in this day of everything collecting telemetry on everybody. They do these thing at a slow and steady pace so that most people don't notice, and those that do get shut down as anti-progress or conspiracy theorists. Microsoft got themselves in hot water with the release of the Xbox-One by trying to limit the sale of used games if memory serves. That goal has been there for a long time most likely, but they tried to push too hard and too fast. Then the Ps5 has a digital-only model, and even with many "physical" copies of modern games you still have to go online to get day one patches or verify the game, assuming the disc isn't just there to hold a digital key for online purchase. Many modern computer towers don't even have slots for DVD/Bluray drives in the front anymore because who wants to buy a physical copy of something when you can just buy a DRM riddled copy that won't work offline or stream it.
it's like the movie industry is saying -> We don't want you to watch old better movies because then you would automatically know that new movies sucks ass .............mostly! ;)
That's just like the cell phone industry you wonder why your cell phone always gets slower time it's a thing called planned obsolescence and every time you get one of those stupid updates it actually slows down your phone's performance
What game companies need to learn is that the only way to destroy piracy is to give consumers what they want. It doesn't matter how many rom sites they shut down. People will always find a way.
I just wanted to add that everything you say is also true for movies and music.
And that's why they invented the concept of "trendy" and "outdated".
When I talk about old music, youngsters tell me I'm "lame and outdated".
They've been brainwashed by the capitalist industry to consume only new things. (I'm not anti-capitalist though)
The day we get rid of that mindset, we'll respect again old stuff, and life will be much more enjoyable.
That's an excellent point. In a lot of ways. this really is just another example of consumerism in society as a whole. I actually wouldn't mind doing a video comparing video games to music in the future.
@@psymagearcade That would be a really good video topic. Ppl see things w/ a very narrow view but the sad truth is these changes fueld by greed are true of most industries today!
If people want newer things why are you looking down on that?
I agree that these companies need to preserve these classic games because if it wasn't for those games, they wouldn't be where they are today. I'm in favor of classic compilations that are well made, and buying digital downloads. But, I'm against subscribing to A service in order to play classic games.
They don't need to really. The classic old games are not worth much to hang on to. How much are you willing to pay for Mario World Duckhunt in today's world? The maximum I would be willing to pay for that is $5. And the audience who is willing to pay for that game is miniscule. Nintendo rather charge more than $30 per game to get profit. They also have to see all the missing opportunities of cash coming in due to 2nd hand market. So a $30 game would cost less overall but when time flies by, that game could be worth more in a 2nd hand market that Nintendo never get hold of. Example Fire Emblem Radiance.
To me, they don't hate preservation because they don't see $$$ profit as much. It's pure greed.
There really should be some kind of international video game repository where anything you want to play is right at your fingertips on a unified software platform online. Each game should also be accompanied with research content as much as possible including interviews and articles about the games' development process to credit the teams that created the said games.
A problem with that is that if a single company owned that whole repository and all the rights to all games within it, they can charge outrageous prices and have really sketchy policies.
But hey, that's just my two cents.
@@newgameld2512 I was meaning a repository or a museum that's publicly funded through donations. Yeah if it's owned by one or two companies then we wind up right back in the situation we're in now.
@@newgameld2512Exactly. Anti-monopoly laws. It's bad enough that Disney now owns half of the media.
They Don't Want Newer Generations to experience Older Games 😢
Yeah, like they probably thought that the newer generations should have been born earlier to play those games b4 being gone or something like that.
@@ArjunTheRageGuy Yep.
I think there was something along these lines in 1984: "He who controls the present, controls the past, and he who controls the past, controls the future."
If they could, they'd be erasing all history, so nobody could know things had ever been otherwise.
Companies want endless profits, that is the reason why game preservation is never on their agendas.
Good video. One point about Xbox back-compat. They have more recently said that they want as many Activision Blizzard games on Game Pass as possible. I expect the back-compat team has been hard at work on getting Activision games running. Microsoft said they’d reached the limit of what their current technology and licensing allowed. When it comes to popping in the disc and running the game, the main limitation is what the publisher allows. Once the ABK purchase is complete, Microsoft can add a tonne of Activision games to the back-compat list. And those that don’t have other licensing issues (music, etc.) can also be added for digital sale.
As with many things, Mr. Krabs has the answer:
*"Money"*
Lets just cut to the chase. Majority of these new games just suck.. Its like something is missing. Sure it has pretty graphics and new engines with the bells and whistles but the story mostly sucks, variety sucks, no replay value, being repetitive, etc. Dont get me started with paying for extra content. It just seems no reason to really even play these new games. Its like the gaming industry is just not listening to its customers and just giving us crap and acting all surprise when the games fail. I mean i get making games a new generation but the idea of a video games was to make them fun. Fun factor.. Its crazy to me how the older games have crummy graphics but fun as hell to play.
Or some older games are still being updated by the fans. Take X-Wing Alliance for example on the PC. It was released back in 1999. And even now it receives updates from the game community. From a complete graphics overhaul, sound overhaul to a complete incorporation of the classic TIE Fighter game.
I don't see things like this happening with the current games. Call of Duty 47, Battle Field 198 etc.
LOL 2023 is LITERALLY one of the greatest years in gaming ever chief
As an elder millenial, I had been not gaming much for some years, but as of the past five years or so, I've been playing a lot of indie games: Celeste, Hollow Knight, Ori, Afterimage, Thumper, A Hat in Time, Cuphead, Ender Lillies, Hue, Bloodstained.
It seems that hard 2D platformers run in my veins.
@@joed5150 not even close man especially compared to 2007
They hate preservation,so their are plenty of people wanting to keep it alive and do right for retro players including newcomers as well.
I am playing Legend of Zelda TP and Enternal Darkness Sanity’s Requiem…. Freaking awesome games and ED is 20+ years old and is still holds up very well, a masterpiece in many ways
I've never understood the hate that TP gets.
Old games don't have IAP and DLC, something that modern games relay to.
Or installation times, long updates, always online checks, ads, etc...
@@h0laPlaneta No installation times? Funny, I have dim memories of feeding in a handful of floppy disks to install DOS games back in the early 1990s. Or a CD from the mid-1990s to mid-2000s (and the game often didn't come close to filling it). Games you can play without installing them were a rarity. The Lost Mind of Dr Brain is close. It runs off the CD and relies on the Windows 3.1 equivalent of a Start Menu shortcut to point it to where you want your saved games, so it takes next to no disk space, but there's still technically an installation step to set up that shortcut.
Several reasons why Big Corporations don't want people to get older Games. They don't want people to enjoy older games and realize that Games once were delivered WITHOUT myriads if DLCs that sell you 90% of the games content and they also didn't require you to have an always-on DRM launcher with additional account. Simply said we are supposed to be just consumers and always being excited for the next new product. And in many cases they also fear the pile of license troubles and royalties for the original developers. When Sony ditched backwards compatibility for their PS1, PS2 and PS3 games, you could tell they don't give a damn anymore what so ever.
Well said. Thank you for watching!
Is that why PS2 is the only backwards compadable playstation system?
@@elijahhernandez906 What? PS3 Fat was backwards compatible with PS2 and 1. PS5 can play PS4. People really don't realize what actually goes into backwards compatibility
6:21 THANK YOU, Just thank you! Definitely glad to sub!
Thank you for subscribing! I'll be doing more deep dives like this in the future.
ok, Loyal now just for the bother to reply. @@psymagearcade :D
Completely agree with this video. Things are so messed up in the industry and It feels like its just getting worse everyday. Thank you for speaking out about this!
The industry conditioning of gamers is that new is better.
Awosome video Bro Good Job and Good Luck for Future Videos🎉
If your playing old games your most likely not playing new games. I play both but love old games more
You can play both even with limited time but personally, much more times goes to the older games 😛
I don't want companies to make me pay to play the heritage of video games.
This, alongside with licensing problems are what holding old game rerelease. This problem occurs towards bit newer titles. Examples are:
Old NFS? Need to relicense the musics and cars.
Old Forzas? Idem.
Old sport games? Yet another licensing issue if it was used.
Old GTA? Songs deleted because licensing issues.
Sega's outrun? Ferrari holding it back.
There's also a prototype of GoldenEye 007 for xbla... Only to be cancelled because James Bond licensing. But it got discovered somehow.
I feel like these licensing deals need to be more modernized going forward to cover re-releases in order to avoid these situations. I don't know how companies in other industries would feel about that though.
I collected a few thousand roms on my own. But then I broke down and bought a consoleX2pro just to collect 126,000 roms in a niced menu's package. Just copied the card on my pc and I have it all, just deplaced the emulators with my custom once and kept the sweet menu. You can have everything from 2005 and earlier compacted and easy to play. I bought my thing like 2 years ago. Probably a better version now. Just research. Fuck the corporations. This shit belongs to everyone and it is not preventing them from selling new games. No one loses...unless these classic works of art disappear. Then everyone loses.
those consoles dont have enough space for all the isos....i have over 200 000 games on my hdds....all the gc, ps2, wii, ps1, saturn, ps3 for example....games takes to much space for the consoles and windows 10 is more compatible with roms
I've bought one of those TV sticks. It came with a 128 gb SD card filled with 40k+ games from basically all consoles up to the PSP and PlayStation 1. From the era of my childhood till my early 30's. It came with 2 wireless controllers as well, which work very well.
I've copied the SD card over to my laptop and can play all the old classics when I want. The total cost of the whole things pretty much equals the price for a single PC or console game today. Not counting possible DLC's and other cash grabs.
The video game industry wanted to turn video games into fast food and never care about physical gaming and wanted to sell the next game in there menu. To this day the video game industry never call video games as "ART" as they rather wanted you to see them as disposable gaming.
I'm so glad I don't use digital garbage, nor do I stream.
an update of today, the xbox 360 will have its store closed, its time to return to the plataform to preserve the digital only games
Thank you for that update. That's the first I'm hearing of it so I appreciate it.
The newest problem for PC gaming is the ongoing problem of preserving and playing Windows 3.1 games on modern systems, as Steam and GOG still currently doesn't have any Windows 3.1-era games on their storefronts emulated via OTVDM, due to the fact that Microsoft discontinued the NTVDM and the 16-bit Windows on Windows subsystems in Windows 11.
Wish to see Ziggurat Interactive, Piko Interactive, Pixel Games UK or Night Dive Studios re-release old Windows 3.1-era PC Games on Steam and GOG using OTVDM in the future.
Oh yeah, I didn't even think about 3.1. Granted, it didn't last that long because Windows 95 took off, but there are games from that era that need to be preserved.
@@psymagearcade you mean DOS games? i have all dos games on my hdds
@@GenyaArikado No. Windows 3.1. There are some games made just for 3.1 that aren't DOS based, albeit there aren't many of them though. That was right before Windows 95 took off.
@@psymagearcade okey..i will look up those games
@@GenyaArikado MS-DOS games have been rereleased on Steam and GOG via DOSBox, but nothing regarding Windows 3.1 games have been rereleased via OTVDM.
They’re right. I’m not a potential customer. I have everdrives and everdrive similar devices on all my classic systems and when Nintendo comes out with overpriced streaming services to play crappy emulations of old N64 games, nes games and snes games, I’m not interested. I prefer my old systems and I’m happier there. There’s entire businesses focused on making buying old hardware a lot more fun and interesting.
That is simple they now realize they can make a ton of money off remasters and remakes to re-sell the games to you. That is the #1 reason.
Also one of the reasons why I support 'game preservation' AND fight against 'games as a service/gamepass/cloud subscriptions etc..' and DRM.
Because one ultimately will not own their games.
Yeah but ports and remasters are not preservation, in reality it's the opposite as they try to be replacements
If they actually let those games available, but they won't even do that. There are some games that companies that Nintendo simply won't re-release no matter how many players want access to those.
Remakes are often warranted, but the original games should never be delisted. Dead Space and Resident Evil did it right. Remasters, I think are a lot less warranted, though I think it's fine if the original game was never on PC to begin with. I'd be perfectly fine with a _proper_ Red Dead Redemption 1 remaster, for instance.
@@KazeiraPorts are trying to be replacements? Lmao, what? A port is the exact same game reworked to run natively on newer hardware. It's like saying the fan port of SM64 on the Wii is somehow different.
Because freedom is their biggest rival. When consumers have freedom, they cannot control the consumers.
Loved your video! You are absolutely correct that the Industry is Curbing Competition. After all they do not just compete with contemporary games, but from games across time.
Piracy and second hand market is actually thriving in our country. In fact, it is my main mode of gaming.
*3* *IDEAS*
1. Library Collections - Send in requests to public libraries to create a classic games collection that people could check out and experience like they would DVDs. Perhaps there would be a special purpose room setup with the systems ready to go. Maybe start a petition and send it to congressmen. The petition would be to add classic games to the library of congress. It could be good for their next election.
2. Game Clubs - Establish classic game clubs on college campuses. Start chapters with universities that have a strong technical curriculum.
3. Commercial Opportunities - Recently there has been an uptick in classic arcades. Perhaps request these venues to include consoles as well. If not, then maybe create your own business where people can purchase day/week/month/year passes where they can play all of the classic games they want.
Some arcades are actually including areas inside with classic consoles and CRTs. There's one a few hours away from me that does this.
You forget how often GOG just gives stuff for free. Not as often as EPIC, but that free stuff is also DRM free. And I have now a pretty big library full of just free retro games there.
I've definitely claimed some free games from GOG over the years. Good point!
@@psymagearcade Yeah, GOG isn't perfect, they definetly have their own issues, (As evidenced by the launch of Cyberpunk) but they're absolutely killing it when it comes to preserving some retro games.
is monopolizing gonna be a way of life in the near future? We have to unite and fight for our right as a consumer no matter what business it is. Thank you for this video.
“You will own nothing and you will be happy” -WEF
Before watching: My guess is that the more time people are playing older games, the less they're spending on microtransactions in modern games. Use FOMO to keep players coming back every day or week, flash premium cosmetics in their face at every turn, and remind them that they can buy convenience items, seasons, premium currencies, and/or individual cosmetics to avoid falling behind or looking unimpressive. More engagement! ...with players' wallets.
Great points. This is why I love my Polymega. Pretty much have every game I ever cared about from the mid-80s to the early 2000s on there. The UI also makes it easy to explore the entire library of each of the supported systems across all regions. I couldn’t care less about the vast majority of modern games as they are not really “games” anymore but simulations.
Very eye opening, thanks for this! I own an N64 and I buy cartridges, at the second-hand market of course, and I like to joke that I'm happy Nintendo isn't getting a single cent out of it. I also have a jailbroken Wii for all emulation purposes up to GameCube. 🎉
i'm playing my old games and ain't nobody gonna stop me. i still have my wii, ps2, n64, wii u, 3ds, ps3, and ps4.
Hate Microsoft?
@@DominikSobolewski yes.
Same here, plus my XBOX 360.
@@Anonymous-wb3nz I have 2 modded wii systems, modded wii u, modded 3ds and a modded ps3 slim. 😁
@@TheMegatron673 nice!
Gamestop: Actually it's because we want you to preorder...
I walked into a GameStop two or three weeks ago for the first time in three years and it was a ghost town. It felt sad looking around for more than a minute or two. Wasn't much there either.
@@psymagearcade they'll fade away like the Toys R Us's and other "necessary" stores of their day. I do miss the fun times at Gamestop early 00s around Halo time lol
Excellent video, hopefully gaming doesn't crash. I've been playing since the 90's, and still have 3 of my childhood consoles. Atari 2600, Nintendo Entertainment System & Genesis.
I don't want that either because some good, smaller developers will also suffer. However, I don't see a possible crash being as big as the 1983 one.
Gaming won’t crash because there’s really only 3 options in games and 1st party made games don’t just crap out games to see if they will make money like release like 50 games a year
@@psymagearcadeit only crashed in US but the rest of the world, game thrives.
@@tr1bes That is very true, and it was mostly the U.S. console market in particular that got the worst of it, not PC and arcades.
I buy tons of old (physical) games for dirt cheap prices. And I buy 100% of my games and consoles 2nd hand. No subscriptions. I don't give Microsoft, Nintendo or Sony any money directly. So....they must REALLY hate me!!
I do the exact same. I'm currently building up my PS3 library.
I love old fashioned survival horror games. When the video game of today is not giving me what I want.
I have to go and play older titles like Resident Evil remake.
Let the Retro Community be a Thorn in their side holding them accountable, tearing business from them. Its time to stop treating these companies as potential sponsors and allies and as our abject enemies. Piracy is morraly justified. And holding on to physical media is a threat to their shareholders. The old games will run again.
I can really agree with this video, Gaming has been not good recently it feels like gaming got boring with newer games, Most newer Video Games have Microstransaction, Features being removed new games that we liked from older titles, Not interesting gameplay etc. the last time gaming felt fun me was back then for me was the PS3, X360, Wii and Wii U etc.
You completely and utterly forgot about arcade games, especially the japanese ones of today.
That's a fair critique, but arcade game preservation deserves its own video anyway. I was really thinking more about console and PC with this video.
Yo!! Psymage arcade! Perfect video my friend! I couldn't have said it better. We need more videos like this. A lot of these new generation gamers need to be in the know and watch this video. I've been trying to tell my ol' lady's son about how much our video games were much better than their modern games.
I think the PS3, WII and XBOX 360 era was the last great generation of gaming. The ps4 was also a great console too, but nowhere near as good as the previous gens.
Thank you! I'm glad you mentioned the PS3/360/Wii era because that was the last generation where I felt like we saw a big performance leap from the previous one. I still remember the hype for the 360 and PS3 and all the trailers back then and how much those systems blew my mind.
It's simple, video games should be subject to use it or loose it laws present in other mediums. If the owners of the content don't exercise rights by attempting to monetize then the IPs should enter public domain. I have no issue with paying a publisher for a work at a reasonable rate once every 20 years (ie remastered releases that add compatibility for new OS' or platforms), but if they just shelf it and don't offer it to the public then those titles should be free for others to resell.
I would be fine with this. Great idea.
They don't want older games because for their viewpoint in that they don't get any profit from it, so for why they don't want older games nor classic preservation in modern gaming, is because they not profitable anymore, so they see it as just simply toys, revelant to a certaint time, and later on to the trash or for no use.
Crazy because those videogames are made by a lot of people and the amount of hours of programing, concept art and graphic design put in to it is crazy, specially the japanese because for their rigid and almost slave like work culture.
When it comes to "old-school" arcade games, the PS1 & PS2 probably have the best selection of "classic gaming collections" out of any of the older consoles. Many of the these collections were released on multiple consoles, but some were exclusive to SONY. It would certainly be nice if all these older collections got remastered & re-released on today's consoles. Something like "Atari 50 Anniversary Collection" is a good step in that direction. Hopefully SEGA, Namco, Taito, Midway, & others will follow suit.
Atari 50 was interesting in terms of the presentation and the bonus content. The game selection could have been better, but you can tell a lot of thought was put into it otherwise.
@@psymagearcadeYeah the Jaguar selection was not great. Granted the Jaguar didn’t have the best line up period but Trevor Mcfur was TERRIBLE. No AVP, Wolfenstein 3d, Doom..
@@Nick_Nightingale Most of the lack of games boils down to rights - Digital Eclipse were only able to get access to games that Atari owned rights to - lots of games were made by other companies.
@@purelogarithm Yeah I know. Still sucks. That's why some people sail the high seas.
Great video and I totally agree. I have several old consoles and use them with flash cartridges. That is my preferred way to play. However, I still buy rereleases of old games if they are done right. Video game preservation 4life !!
And a perfect example of what you are talking about would be a game called "Contra Rebirth" it was a game that was released only on the Wii virtual store and now that Nintendo closed that site you no longer have access to purchase that game. It is really sad to see these companies not care.
Yeah, there's a lot of WiiWare that has been lost to time at this point. It's sad.
@psymagearcade I feel that of all the companies Nintendo is the worst with video game preservation.
As someone that has seen ,lived and gamed on every console ever made , just wait its gonna get worse in alot of ways the only thing that will get better is accessibility in ten to 5 years you won't need a console at all ...in fact everything including movies and every type of media will become rental, no such thing as ownership......the only owners will be the corpos
That's why I only purchase older consoles.
Good stuff … solid backed points here! Thank you!
So I find this an interesting topic because a lot of it reflects television/movies and streaming. I finally cut off Netflix because I didn't want to support their poorer service for higher prices and less content. Then, I wanted to find some older shows and began to notice the complete lack of availability besides hunting ebay for an older or bootleg copy (The Critic, Dilbert, Titus). All the while, even newer shows find the chopping block and never even had a physical release (Westworld) I hate to say it, but we're going to go back to Piracy hard or for those who wise up, stop consuming couch media. Cause video games, music, TV/Movies and similar want to keep us in one place - spending money with no quality of life benefits.
Great video and Opinion Piece. Definitely makes ya think.
From Atari Pong to the PS5 I own nearly every console ever released so I see myself as a video game historian and I am proud to know the whole history but it also makes me really sad that most people will never experience most historical points in gaming. The gaming industry is focused too much on technical evolution. No game is ever outdated. I know that games like Fifa are replaced each year but even those games are still respectable games. We have to stop thinking that games or graphics can be outdated and are replaced by their successors. I am not even joking by saying that even Pong is still a very good and playable game.
Oh by the way I play most of the time retro games and I am rarely buying new games so I guess the gaming industry hates people like me.
Subscription services are the saddest business model to me.
Actually I play all my games on original hardware but I have to preserve my games and make my collection future proof so I am using ODEs, Everdrives and othe solutions where I can save and play my games on
As a younger gamer, even games from 15 to 20 years ago can be incredibly hard to experience. Pokémon games as recent as only _11_ years ago are starting to absolutely jump up in price. DS and GBA games in general can be very pricey, and 3DS and Wii U games are getting there, too.
I don't think the 3DS Pokémon games will get much more expensive, because everything after XY is kind of just terrible, but other 3DS games will. Dragon Quest 8 is already expensive, DQ7 is pretty expensive, and so is Kid Icarus: Uprising. I'm sure Samus Returns, the Zelda games, Fire Emblem, Kirby(Epic Yarn, yikes), Mario&Luigi: Dream Team, the Atlus games, Pokémon Super Mystery Dungeon, and more will also grow in price significantly over the next decade.
I think I will stick to my older consoles that support physical media, thanks!
I only have, buy and play physical media and games!
I'm 34 years old that I've been playing games as long as I can remember. Growing up with Nintendo Super Nintendo PlayStation 1 Nintendo GameCube Xbox and Xbox 360 Nintendo Wii and all sudden next-gen came after the Xbox 360. Nothing grabbed me. The only things that grabbed me were Destiny Destiny 2 and Warframe. Every other game that I bought I spent less than a couple hours playing. Now literally all I play is just Warframe. Warframe and all my old school games. When they start making games like they used to you no fun and not trying to grab every f****** penny out of you. Then I'll get back into a gaming again. Until then I'm happy what I have
I'm almost exclusive retro gamer. Not only are the new games full of mtx, they're just not as good as the older games.
I like-a arcade archives and backwards compatibility. Neo geo pocket color collections on switch too.
It's telling that the few companies who are interested in real game preservation, by way of those massive Collections re-releases (such as the recent Mega Man Battle Network Legacy Collection) are all from companies that don't make consoles
I got 3 CRT TV’s with backups of every major release up to Gen 7
I've been collecting games and original hardware since hurricane Katrina destroyed my life and everything I owned back in August 2005, after gen 8 I have refused to upgrade my console hardware ever again because I could tell 5 years ago in 2018 the industry I once knew and loved is not only long gone and never coming back but the industry that has replaced it will never live up to the golden age of 1990-2006 that came before it as the issues which plague the modern industry started around 2006-2007 and have only been getting worse. I'm much happier with previous gen hardware than wasting my money on the new stuff, its just not worth the money they're demanding of consumers anymore.
That is exactly what happens to me.
I have a collection of Gameboy games. When I grow bored, I go to my Wii, then to my DS games. Afterwards I fire up my 2007 computer. Then my retro P1.
My "new"PC (2012) gathers dust in a corner. I see no reason to upgrade.
Oh, I will buy a PS4 later this year, lots of awesome games to play.
Be like me.
I’m overwhelmed with too many video games. How am I going to finish any of my old games if I were to keep moving on to new games?
That’s one reason why I haven’t bought the Xbox Series X. I did buy the PlayStation 5 though…but that was because my kids wanted to play Ratchet & Clank: A Rift Apart.
I’ve instead been playing the Phantasy Star Online on the original Xbox using the fan-made Insignia servers (which ‘reactivate Xbox Live functionality on software-modded Xbox’s). I’ve also been playing NBA Jam (2004) for my original Xbox.
I don’t have time to play (and spend money) on new games.
You're not missing anything with the new games today.
Great video!
Thanks!
Good music choice, but it'd be better if the music were made quieter in post-production.
Great informative video! My only criticism is the music in it is a little too loud but otherwise great content.
Yeah, the music is really distracting me from listening on further.
They're not gonna stop me from playing my old games.That's why I still got my ps2 and original xbox
Same here!
I always find it strange how older games get rinsed on the big gaming websites the way they do.
“This game doesn’t play like as well as a modern one.”
Well no shit. There’s more to going back to older stuff than just how it plays. Atmosphere, vibe, the pure historical aspect of seeing what was done with the tech available at the time.
How can games ever be seriously considered as art when the manufacturers, gaming press, and even a lot of gamers keep treating it like a fucking product and nothing else?
Yeah, that's definitely a problem. It's like a nefarious form of revisionist history at times.
That's the thing if games were universally considered as an art form then there'd be funding like there is for most of the arts, and in this case games and consoles, like we see for film and music that could help with preservation and protection of creative works. Huge point not really discussed by anyone else.
I just talked about this last week. Why would they want to sell you an old Madden game for $5 when they really want to sell you the new Madden game for $70.
They've got to sell that roster update and a new mode that may or may not be good.
Video game tech has hit the Point of Diminishing Returns. That's why AAA games are disappointing, while low budget retro games have been killing it.
Oh, we hit that point a long time ago. Somewhere around the mid-2000s. I remember running across an image comparing the G-Man from the Half Life franchise between Half Life 1, 2, and Alyx. There's a huge difference between Half Life 1 (1998) and Half Life 2 (2004), but a much smaller one between Half Life 2 and Half Life Alyx (2020). Seems to me that around the point where we got programmable shaders was the point of diminishing returns for graphics.
They know they can't do better, so they're avoiding having to compete with their past selves as much as possible.
Keep all your consoles, people. It's tempting to sell them when you get the next generation but trust me, keep them. I kept all mine in the attic
I have many gaming emulators and roms. NES, SNES, Sega Genesis, Sega Model 2, Nintendo 64, Nintendo GameCube, Atari, PlayStation 2, and Xbox 360. I definitely appreciate retro gaming preservation. I come from the time of Atari to SNES. I play my retro games on my laptop and I continue to love playing them. They won't stop me from playing my old games.
Games today are more theatrical emersive and impressive graphics. Games are no longer about fun
*Lazy Town's You Are A Pirate increases in volume*
AAA companies - "WHY AM I HEARING BOSS MUSIC? I THOUGHT YOU TOOK CARE OF THEM!"
Newer games especially the big ones feel like you’re watching a movie and just randomly hitting buttons sometimes.
Nailing it on all accounts. Thanks for the honest take on so many historical references. Subscribed! It will be interesting to watch what Nintendo does with Switch 2, I'm expecting some kind of "limited" BC.
One of the big issues I think is, the hardware, unlike music or movies, that I can play a digital copy in my phone, even though I got them on iTunes almost 2 decades ago, is that we got the restrictions of hardware, gaming hardware can be so especific that one generation console is completely incompatible with the next gen one even though they are made by the same company, and kudos to Microsoft with their retro compatibility efforts on Xbox, which may not be perfect but it is good to have, but Sony and Nintendo are really leaving us in the dark being unable to easily play their libraries without any issue or being able to rediscover some classics, so yeah, it is either PC or emulation on PC.
And I don't say, let's steal from the big corporations, for examply my PlayStation and Switch are not modded, but if I want to play a game from 25 years ago that is not compatible with modern hardware I rather download the ISO and emulate it with QOL improvements than paying too much to scalpers online to play on dodgy old hardware.
In the end it always comes down to money. As always.