I believe that nobody else went out to help because they thought that there was only 1 person drowning and Jack was already there to help. It's only when he gets back and he tells them that there's a second person drowning that the group becomes aware. So everyone's actions make sense given the context.
Sure, but standing on the shore and watching someone die as they scream for help (assuming you know how to swim) is also a very different thing too, don't you think?
@@artemis2569 I honestly don’t know what I would do in that situation, because I’ve not been in it. I like to think were I on that island in their situation, I would, but I am also a pretty confident swimmer and in the safety of my house not actually having to make that choice so I can’t say for sure. And I’m not saying anyone was right or wrong morally for the choice they made either, to clarify, just that I think most of us would find it difficult to listen to someone screaming for help as they drown and to not do anything, especially if we believed ourselves capable of saving them. And, you don’t find out until after that initial scene about the riptide, which I mentioned in my discussion changes things.
@@CarmenYoung i completely agree that it would be devastating to hear someone scream for help and not be able to do anything. I am being honest, I myself am a confident swimmer but against the sea or the ocean you can't win so I wouldn't go after her either. Props to Boone and Jack for trying though.
1:24 There is a shot at the very beginning of episode 1, right after Jack wakes up in the bamboo forest, where there is a white shoe hanging in a tree as Jack runs past.
Matthew Fox (Jack) is just so good when his character is hurting, makes you feel all the feelings! Loved this one, and the character discussion after 💕
- I agree what you've said about what Jack's father told him in the flashback when he got into a fight as a kid BUT a parents reaction to that specific situation might change if that keeps happening repetitively. Considering he told Jack "You can't be a hero. You can't save EVERYONE" in his speech hints that Jack frequently finds himself in similar situations trying to save people and maybe hurt himself in the process either physically or emotionally. If that keeps happening you could probably tend to stop encouraging his "helpful" nature and try to lean him towards staying away and protecting himself. - Knowing how to swim and being confident enough to jump into the ocean to save someone is very very different. Even in a pool it's not easy to save another person from drowning and in the ocean it's something much much more difficult. - There could be thousands of reasons why Jack's mother didn't go herself to Australia to bring her husband back. Maybe they weren't getting along at the time and she thought he wouldn't listen to her, maybe she wasn't confortable with searching him at bars, night clubs and stuff (probably slightly risky places) in a foreign country, maybe she had things to do in her own town and couldn't leave them, maybe she had a health condition preventing her from travelling overseas, maybe she thought because Jack doing something caused/triggered him to go Australia and he'll have a higher chance to agree coming back if they talk it out with Jack. You're keeping your attention to details, I like that, and sharing your thoughts is absolutely ok but I'm beginning to think you seem to judge people or situations (in the show, of course) too quickly wthout thinking much. If they're 100% natural reactions, I'm sorry, and of course you're free to share what's on your mind. However, if "feeling obligated to keep saying something in almost every scene for the sake of a better reaction" causing those quick judgemental comments, I'm respectfully warning you that it's not necessary. You don't need to decide your thoughts immediatetly on what you see/hear on the show, especially moral situations or character decisions. You can be "ooh" and keep your silence and share your thought at the end of the episode which are more grounded and well-digested. Plus those quick comments while still the dialogue/scene going on, can make you miss important lines.
His dad was actually trying to tell Jack that he doesn't have what it takes to let go. His dad let's go by drinking. Jack and us, as well, misinterpret what his dad says.
If you're caught in a riptide, it's best not to try to swim against it because you'll just tire yourself out. A riptide will not pull you under, but if you tire yourself out, you may not have the energy to stay afloat. But you shouldn't just allow it to take you out further from the shore. It's best to swim parallel to the shore. That way, you will be able to swim out of the riptide. Then follow the breaking waves back into shore at an angle. This is advice from NOAA.
This episode explains why Jack was a bit harsh with the memorial thing they did in the last episode. He didn't have the chance to bury his father, so he couldn't move on from everything that happened. And a lot happened between them as in any backstory of any character you will see on the show. I'm not spoiling you, but keep in mind that Lost will give you a tiny piece of information within those flashbacks so you can later put them all in chronological order. It's like a puzzle.
This is why I loved the old style of weekly episodes. The theorising and conversations were what made being part of the OG Lost weekly network drops so special...and reactions like this bring me back there.
Locke: I'm not a big believer in... magic. But this place is different. It's special. The others don't wanna talk about it because it scares them, but we all know it, we all feel it. Locke's best line in this series.
Jack's father definitely gave him a complex, but he was also right. He didn't want his kid to be destroyed by every failure, which he clearly does. But I disagree that he thought jack failed because he cared. I don't think that was his point. Jack doesn't have what it takes to fail and keep going, and that's noble but what father would want his son to endure that kind of pain? Also hope you remember that Charlie says he doesn't swim, not that he can't. A lot of people remember that line wrong, and there's a major difference between those two sentences. I don't think anybody on the beach even realized Boone had already gone out after Johann. Some of them surely didn't even know what was happening, they just saw a crowd and gathered to find out. It would also be unsafe for a bunch of people to swim out near a riptide to save one person or two people, it's so easy to get swept up it'd be putting more and more people in danger. And a group will always defer to the assumed leaders of the pack in those situations. Otherwise chaos ensues.
@@MarieAnne. Absolutely. Which Christian was not good at. There were a lot better ways to help his son learn to compartmentalize, and a lot better ways to communicate his concern. And thus we have Jack, as he is, for better and for worse. His own father's failing reflect in the man he's become.
Jack's Dad saying he doesn't have what it takes mean that Jack cannot handle failure well. He does not have what it takes to move on and deal with that, and his Dad is absolutely right about that
"A leader can't lead, until he knows where he's going". Always loved that line. Live together or die alone! "I hate dolls" she says...sitting in front of a bookshelf FULL of dolls 😂 I know, I know. Not the same. It just cracked me up.
I like how WIDE your mouth opens when your reacting to some huge revelation. Its the face you wear when Samara Morgan comes out of the TV to kill you!!! LOL 😂😱
More about the mystery monster ( still not specific info )... The info will appear in bits, one episode here, another there The whole story spans a few seasons
The producers of the show paid a company to create a show intro like a regular one; fancy music, visuals from the show and actors, along with the acting credits. They didn't really like the results; the company was paid for their work, then the producers went with the flying logo and 5 seconds of dramatic music.
@@randallwong7196 Don't know when/why they would say this on TV when they weren't even on TV often. Abrams said something like this at Paleyfest 2005, but he never mentioned a different company being involved.
The passenger we know so far are ...... Jack Kate Sawyer Locke Charlie Claire Hurley Sayid Jin Sun Boone Shannon Michael Walt Rose Bernard Joanna Edward Mars ( Marshall ) Pilot Co Pilot Flight Attendant
@@kuhpunkt SPOILER It's fine now, because it's been edited to 'Flight Attendant'. But previously, it also said 'Cindy'. Knowing her actual name reveals that she will be appearing again at some point. At this stage, we assume (if we even give her a second thought) that she was killed in the crash, and it's unlikely we would learn her name through another plane flashback (as flight attendants don't tend to go by their first names to passengers). So I therefore see 'Cindy' as a spoiler.
Carmen, are you sure it was Sasha Belov aka Neil Jackson of "Make It or Break It" that youve seen as a background character on "Lost" ? Went looking through IMDb & Wikipedia and in his bios they don't have hi. being in "Lost" and no one fitting the blonde guy description is listed on the Lost Wikia / Lostpedia site under passengers. Sasha Belov ( Neil Jackson )
Oh, I'm 0% sure; there's just been like once or twice a character in the background looked similar to him! Like, in this episode around the 37:20 mark of the episode there are three characters sitting away from people around a small fire in the forefront of the shot. The guy in the middle looks like him to me, but I have no clue if it is actually is. Just struck something in me lol To clarify: the time marker wants to take you to my reaction, but I'm talking about thirty seven minutes into the episode not my reaction, in case that was confusing!
“When you fail, you just don’t have what it takes”. As in to cope with failure. To accept it’s not going to go your way every time. I really don’t get why just about everyone struggles with this. It’s pretty clear. Plus, you can see in just 5 episodes Jack has this complex of “I’ll do it.. me!” Dunno.. people surprise me every day, even after 36 years. I was 17 when this came out and I understood it 😬
'how his dad told him, if he cares, he's failing'. That's not what his dad told him, and it's not what his dad meant. He told him, when you fail, you just don't have what it takes. He didn't tell his son he didn't have what it takes to be successful, he was telling him he doesn't know how to handle failure, and we will all fail. Usually multiple times. As we saw in this very episode, Jack does not handle failure well, at all. And, how do you know his dad is a hallucination?
@@MarieAnne. ... I'm not defending Christian's parenting skills, I was correcting the reactors flawed perception of what he told his son. If you've seen this whole show, you know there's only a few decent parents in the whole thing.
I agree, the dad was giving him this advice to not get too involved in everything and everyone because taking on other people's problems it pulls you down and hurts. He used the wrong words to say this and teenager Jack interpreted his words like he was a dissapointment.
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I believe that nobody else went out to help because they thought that there was only 1 person drowning and Jack was already there to help. It's only when he gets back and he tells them that there's a second person drowning that the group becomes aware. So everyone's actions make sense given the context.
Knowing how to swim and rushing into the open ocean to save someone are 2 different things 😅
I was about to write exactly the same thing.
Sure, but standing on the shore and watching someone die as they scream for help (assuming you know how to swim) is also a very different thing too, don't you think?
@@CarmenYoung would you risk getting caught in the ocean currents and get yourself killed for someone else?
@@artemis2569 I honestly don’t know what I would do in that situation, because I’ve not been in it. I like to think were I on that island in their situation, I would, but I am also a pretty confident swimmer and in the safety of my house not actually having to make that choice so I can’t say for sure. And I’m not saying anyone was right or wrong morally for the choice they made either, to clarify, just that I think most of us would find it difficult to listen to someone screaming for help as they drown and to not do anything, especially if we believed ourselves capable of saving them. And, you don’t find out until after that initial scene about the riptide, which I mentioned in my discussion changes things.
@@CarmenYoung i completely agree that it would be devastating to hear someone scream for help and not be able to do anything. I am being honest, I myself am a confident swimmer but against the sea or the ocean you can't win so I wouldn't go after her either. Props to Boone and Jack for trying though.
1:24 There is a shot at the very beginning of episode 1, right after Jack wakes up in the bamboo forest, where there is a white shoe hanging in a tree as Jack runs past.
Matthew Fox (Jack) is just so good when his character is hurting, makes you feel all the feelings!
Loved this one, and the character discussion after 💕
The conversation between Lock and Jack about the white rabbit gets more beautiful each time I watch it.
The episode had some extremely heavy hints about what Jack's dad's issue was.
- I agree what you've said about what Jack's father told him in the flashback when he got into a fight as a kid BUT a parents reaction to that specific situation might change if that keeps happening repetitively. Considering he told Jack "You can't be a hero. You can't save EVERYONE" in his speech hints that Jack frequently finds himself in similar situations trying to save people and maybe hurt himself in the process either physically or emotionally. If that keeps happening you could probably tend to stop encouraging his "helpful" nature and try to lean him towards staying away and protecting himself.
- Knowing how to swim and being confident enough to jump into the ocean to save someone is very very different. Even in a pool it's not easy to save another person from drowning and in the ocean it's something much much more difficult.
- There could be thousands of reasons why Jack's mother didn't go herself to Australia to bring her husband back. Maybe they weren't getting along at the time and she thought he wouldn't listen to her, maybe she wasn't confortable with searching him at bars, night clubs and stuff (probably slightly risky places) in a foreign country, maybe she had things to do in her own town and couldn't leave them, maybe she had a health condition preventing her from travelling overseas, maybe she thought because Jack doing something caused/triggered him to go Australia and he'll have a higher chance to agree coming back if they talk it out with Jack.
You're keeping your attention to details, I like that, and sharing your thoughts is absolutely ok but I'm beginning to think you seem to judge people or situations (in the show, of course) too quickly wthout thinking much. If they're 100% natural reactions, I'm sorry, and of course you're free to share what's on your mind. However, if "feeling obligated to keep saying something in almost every scene for the sake of a better reaction" causing those quick judgemental comments, I'm respectfully warning you that it's not necessary. You don't need to decide your thoughts immediatetly on what you see/hear on the show, especially moral situations or character decisions. You can be "ooh" and keep your silence and share your thought at the end of the episode which are more grounded and well-digested. Plus those quick comments while still the dialogue/scene going on, can make you miss important lines.
His dad was actually trying to tell Jack that he doesn't have what it takes to let go. His dad let's go by drinking. Jack and us, as well, misinterpret what his dad says.
If you're caught in a riptide, it's best not to try to swim against it because you'll just tire yourself out. A riptide will not pull you under, but if you tire yourself out, you may not have the energy to stay afloat. But you shouldn't just allow it to take you out further from the shore. It's best to swim parallel to the shore. That way, you will be able to swim out of the riptide. Then follow the breaking waves back into shore at an angle. This is advice from NOAA.
You are 100% right! That is always what my grandma would tell us too! I had just forgotten; thanks for the reminder!
This episode explains why Jack was a bit harsh with the memorial thing they did in the last episode. He didn't have the chance to bury his father, so he couldn't move on from everything that happened. And a lot happened between them as in any backstory of any character you will see on the show. I'm not spoiling you, but keep in mind that Lost will give you a tiny piece of information within those flashbacks so you can later put them all in chronological order. It's like a puzzle.
This is why I loved the old style of weekly episodes. The theorising and conversations were what made being part of the OG Lost weekly network drops so special...and reactions like this bring me back there.
Locke: I'm not a big believer in... magic. But this place is different. It's special. The others don't wanna talk about it because it scares them, but we all know it, we all feel it.
Locke's best line in this series.
I love how you got emotional at "live together, die alone" it becomes a huge theme.
Jack's father definitely gave him a complex, but he was also right. He didn't want his kid to be destroyed by every failure, which he clearly does. But I disagree that he thought jack failed because he cared. I don't think that was his point. Jack doesn't have what it takes to fail and keep going, and that's noble but what father would want his son to endure that kind of pain?
Also hope you remember that Charlie says he doesn't swim, not that he can't. A lot of people remember that line wrong, and there's a major difference between those two sentences.
I don't think anybody on the beach even realized Boone had already gone out after Johann. Some of them surely didn't even know what was happening, they just saw a crowd and gathered to find out. It would also be unsafe for a bunch of people to swim out near a riptide to save one person or two people, it's so easy to get swept up it'd be putting more and more people in danger. And a group will always defer to the assumed leaders of the pack in those situations. Otherwise chaos ensues.
But shouldn't that be part of being a father - helping your son deal with failing?
@@MarieAnne. Absolutely. Which Christian was not good at. There were a lot better ways to help his son learn to compartmentalize, and a lot better ways to communicate his concern. And thus we have Jack, as he is, for better and for worse. His own father's failing reflect in the man he's become.
anyway we can bum this up to 2 a week?
Jack's Dad saying he doesn't have what it takes mean that Jack cannot handle failure well. He does not have what it takes to move on and deal with that, and his Dad is absolutely right about that
her about Jack's dad: „hopefully he knows he isn't really there” me: oh sweet summer child. btw good reaction!
"A leader can't lead, until he knows where he's going". Always loved that line.
Live together or die alone!
"I hate dolls" she says...sitting in front of a bookshelf FULL of dolls 😂 I know, I know. Not the same. It just cracked me up.
In my brain it's very different 🤣 and yes, that's a great quote!
So.. no Locke, no water. Just a clueless Jack wondering around like a twonk and falling off cliffs
Yes, Rose's husband is Bernard. Good ear this time :)
Uploaded 2 minutes ago? Great timing. Lol.
Well, we got the answer to who the mysterious man Jack is seeing is. But we also get more questions.
Loving your reactions. Keep 'em coming.
I like how WIDE your mouth opens when your reacting to some huge revelation. Its the face you wear when Samara Morgan comes out of the TV to kill you!!! LOL 😂😱
His dad gave the best advice in a witst possible way or probably with wrong example..
So happy you are reacting to this series ❤
More about the mystery monster ( still not specific info )...
The info will appear in bits, one episode here, another there
The whole story spans a few seasons
The producers of the show paid a company to create a show intro like a regular one; fancy music, visuals from the show and actors, along with the acting credits. They didn't really like the results; the company was paid for their work, then the producers went with the flying logo and 5 seconds of dramatic music.
Source?
They said it on TV. Don't remember when.
@@randallwong7196 Don't know when/why they would say this on TV when they weren't even on TV often.
Abrams said something like this at Paleyfest 2005, but he never mentioned a different company being involved.
It was Lindelof and another guy, someone who often made appearances with Lindelof; maybe Cuse,
@@randallwong7196 Would be nice if you find it.
Thanks, great reaction. Enjoy your outro thoughts/commentary. 🌴😎
So excited for this!!
So excited for your LOST reactions :)
The passenger we know so far are ......
Jack
Kate
Sawyer
Locke
Charlie
Claire
Hurley
Sayid
Jin
Sun
Boone
Shannon
Michael
Walt
Rose
Bernard
Joanna
Edward Mars ( Marshall )
Pilot
Co Pilot
Flight Attendant
Maybe delete that last name. We've only seen that character very briefly.
And VINCENT !!!
@@letsrock1729 What does it matter? It's a name. It doesn't reveal anything.
@@kuhpunkt SPOILER
It's fine now, because it's been edited to 'Flight Attendant'. But previously, it also said 'Cindy'. Knowing her actual name reveals that she will be appearing again at some point.
At this stage, we assume (if we even give her a second thought) that she was killed in the crash, and it's unlikely we would learn her name through another plane flashback (as flight attendants don't tend to go by their first names to passengers). So I therefore see 'Cindy' as a spoiler.
Carmen, are you sure it was Sasha Belov aka Neil Jackson of "Make It or Break It" that youve seen as a background character on "Lost" ?
Went looking through IMDb & Wikipedia and in his bios they don't have hi. being in "Lost" and no one fitting the blonde guy description is listed on the Lost Wikia / Lostpedia site under passengers.
Sasha Belov ( Neil Jackson )
Oh, I'm 0% sure; there's just been like once or twice a character in the background looked similar to him! Like, in this episode around the 37:20 mark of the episode there are three characters sitting away from people around a small fire in the forefront of the shot. The guy in the middle looks like him to me, but I have no clue if it is actually is. Just struck something in me lol
To clarify: the time marker wants to take you to my reaction, but I'm talking about thirty seven minutes into the episode not my reaction, in case that was confusing!
“When you fail, you just don’t have what it takes”. As in to cope with failure. To accept it’s not going to go your way every time. I really don’t get why just about everyone struggles with this. It’s pretty clear. Plus, you can see in just 5 episodes Jack has this complex of “I’ll do it.. me!”
Dunno.. people surprise me every day, even after 36 years. I was 17 when this came out and I understood it 😬
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'how his dad told him, if he cares, he's failing'. That's not what his dad told him, and it's not what his dad meant. He told him, when you fail, you just don't have what it takes. He didn't tell his son he didn't have what it takes to be successful, he was telling him he doesn't know how to handle failure, and we will all fail. Usually multiple times. As we saw in this very episode, Jack does not handle failure well, at all.
And, how do you know his dad is a hallucination?
As you say, we all fail. So if Jack doesn't have what it takes to fail, then that's his father's job - helping him deal with failing.
@@MarieAnne. ... I'm not defending Christian's parenting skills, I was correcting the reactors flawed perception of what he told his son. If you've seen this whole show, you know there's only a few decent parents in the whole thing.
I agree, the dad was giving him this advice to not get too involved in everything and everyone because taking on other people's problems it pulls you down and hurts. He used the wrong words to say this and teenager Jack interpreted his words like he was a dissapointment.
Lost has a perfectly good reason for Jack to do what he did to his Father. It's just not ready to tell you yet.
Jack’s a prick mate
I've never clicked so fast
Calm down son
" If we Cant live together we will die alone "
23:30 I look at the shelves behind you. 😉
I commented the same before seeing your comment 😆
But Funko's aren't dolls! lol (at least not in my opinion)
@@CarmenYoung 😆😂
@@CarmenYoung ": a small-scale figure of a human being used especially as a child's plaything."
It's all good. It was just funny is all. 🤗
@@bafmd the feelings evoked are quite different tho 😭😂 (and no worries, I see how it seems an odd thing to say with all my Funkos watching 😂👀)
Also the only problem I have with this show is that the fake Australian accents are ATROCIOUS