MILGRAM / Mu - After Pain [The First Trial Music Video]
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- Опубликовано: 18 сен 2024
- “If I was gone, If I had just disappeared.”
Vocal: Mu (CV: Arisa Kori)
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Lyrics: DECO*27
Music: DECO*27
Arrangement: Rockwell
Movie by OTOIRO
Director: DMYM
Character Designer: Sunao Chikaoka(SUNAMARU)
Key Animator: Sunao Chikaoka(SUNAMARU)
Animator / Finishing: staron
Color Design: akka
Composite: Yuma Saito,akka
Typography / Prop designer: DMYM,lowpolydog
Project Manager: Iori Majima
Art Director: DMYM
Original Character Designer: akka
Story / Author: Takuya Yamanaka
"After Pain" Instrumental
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Lyrics:
If I was gone, If I had just disappeared
I overheard, I found out
How much I’m not needed
There’s no special meaning, I got the short end of the stick
I overheard, I found out
How much I’m not needed
Why won’t you stop hurting me?
My heart is all dried up
My sorry spells must be wearing off
But I guess some of it is my fault
Maybe it’s ok as it is
I want to feel “alive”, is it ok if I breathe?
Tell me
“I’m sorry” won’t reach anyone
I hope it will someday
I don’t want tomorrow to come, I want to forget yesterday
I was miserable, someone please help me
If you’re going to make me the villain
It’s ok to ignore me
If it’s endurance, I’m used to it. It’s just having another taste of it
But I see it in my dreams even though I erased it
Maybe I’m done
Just one more time before saying goodbye
I’m just kidding, please forget I said that
Let’s meet up inside the pain, a place just for me
postmortem makeup to hide my heart, how to solve it is a secret
The stabbing of the little devil’s voice, counterattack being a suicide note
“I love YOU”
Why won’t you stop hurting me?
My heart is all dried up
My sorry spells must be wearing off
But I guess some of it is my fault
Maybe it’s ok as it is
I want to feel “alive”, is it ok if I breathe?
Tell me
“I’m sorry” won’t reach anyone
I hope it will someday
”I'm sorry” can’t be heard by anyone
I hope it will be someday
If I was gone, If I had just disappeared
I overheard, I found out
How much I’m not needed
©MILGRAM
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How this song transforms with the context of the sequel. Oh man.
no cause I still can't get over that plot twist
Do you mind telling me what plot twist? I don't follow Milgram (love the song tho)
@@zriyuu She's a manipulator
She was the bully.@@zriyuu
@@zriyuu she was the "queen bee" of the class, that gathered girls and then bullied those who she disliked or felt useless to her. And Mu honestly believed that she was justified in what she was doing and she did nothing wrong. It was just games and fun, nothing bad happened to anyone. "Im so cute after all. Cute can't be bad or evil"
The victim in the end put spotlight on Mu herself and everyone she thought as her "friends" turned on her in a moment and she was bullied even more.
The ending was mostly about "Please, say it was a lie. help me. im sorry for what i did." and victim said no. Act of desperation was a stab with a paperknife that lead to an unfortunate death.
砂時計が反転してムウに砂がかかってる
↓
ムウが過去にしてきたことがムウ自身に降りかかってるってことの暗喩かなぁ
うっわ
あなたが天才
amazing
天才やん
埋もれてしまったコメントで、
「“被害者”と“加害者” いじめで立場が簡単に入れ替わる様は『砂時計』のようであり、最後に砂時計が割れて二度とひっくり返らなくなる→ムウの立場は二度と変わらなくなる比喩」
っていう解釈がかなりグッと来ました。
説明が難しいですが…
最後外ハネちゃんが割れた砂時計の近くに倒れているから外ハネちゃんが昔被害者側だったってことでしょうかね、、、？あの倒れ方は上から落ちてきた場合の体勢だと思うんですけど、、、
@@ゆゆ-d6k🎉
I agree
hope ppl realize that "nobody deserves to be bullied" and "being bullied doesnt justify killing someone" are statements that can and should and will always coexist
rightt?? like I personally think she should not be forgiven because she doesn't feel guilty at all like some other prisoners. killing someone is an horrible act and nothing can justify it. if you feel guilty enough and we can see it won't even happen again and that it is an accident depending on the circumstances it can be forgiven (that's my beliefs) but the fact she thinks she's right and the girl deserved to be killed makes me think she could snap again and is a "menace" to society which shouldn't be forgiven..
@@momiji3345 Sorry but It’s clear that Mu feel regret and doubt about all of this. BUT- the nuance is where she is trying to reach an ideal. The ideal of the one who doesn’t deserve what she’s being trough. Mu is having that behavior to be the closest to that ideals. She’s in fact know that was she has done was bad and regret it deeply. But at the same time these feelings conflict with her ideals of « I wasn’t wrong » as she as to apologize somewhere as she kinda deserves to be treated that way and everything was her fault in the end so no one should emphasize with her feelings because it’s more a punishment that a unfortunate thing.
Mu is a child who can only distinguish black and white based on herself.
As she understands, that the other prisoners probably had their reasons to kill someone. Saying that someone is unforgivable for the same thing as her would mean that by extension she’s unforgivable.
Everything is not black and white. But for her everything is either bad or good. It’s as simple as that.
The world just don’t work the same for her. Her image of herself is already quite perplexed but with this whole Milgram situation she can’t adopt the situation otherwise.
What I mean, is that in MILGRAM. It’s the worst place possible to show doubts about your actions with your actions/murder.
Being in the wrong means being not liked by Es so deserve everything that happen to her so her bullys were right so GUILTY. (Not really but it’s was explained like that to her) again she will have to suffer for trying to stop her suffering no matter how hard she tried that’s won’t stop.
She can’t just admit she was wrong somewhere it’s would literally mean that she won’t be protect by the only place ON her side. (She seems to hate school and police. So in my opinion she tried to get help but yk rich girl being rich girl probably some corruption somewhere and for the school they usually don’t care.)
So yeah, her new behavior was conform to that idea ! And it’s not that of a shock Milgram has protect and help Mu to reach that ideal version of herself(+ Haruka also has help).
But still, Mu can only show that side of her to Milgram. But to Haruka, she explains her doubts, anxiety and everything. As Haruka said that she was scared of Milgram. Is the new Mu, look scared ? No, but she is. Anyways, my point was that she can show something but the meaning behind all of this is totally different. It’s not really about how we think the world is but about how they see it.
Mu wants to be like by Es. So she shows them a «good» her (Notice how Mu’s behavior change and NEVER said that something hurt. Even when Yuno reject her) so everything that the bullying happens for in the board(what she thinks is the reason she don’t exactly know about it) she did stop doing it.
im still voting muu innocent cuz i love her though
like its clear to me at least that shes not evil or manipulative or whatever, shes literallyjust a16 year old who snapped 😂 and she lost her power when she was bullied but then after getting an inno vote shes gotten it back again and tries her best to keep it. shes very insecure about her status right now. "...You saw it, right? Muu.. did nothing wrong. Don’t you think so?" (fourth voice line, second trial) she still wants validation like before she just has more social power now and good for her! she gets an inno from me
@@ryry5663 Shes a spoilt child that thinks saying sorry will solve all her problems then continue to do the same thing again.
But i’m voting her innocent not in terms of morals but to spoil her even more rotten and see how she changes
コメント欄で気づいたんだけど
｢(私の)ごめんなさいが届かないよ｣
だと思ってたら
「(あなたの)ごめんなさいが届かないよ」
だって知ってゾクッとした(語彙力)
個人的には歌詞のとこに｢ごめんなさいが届かないよ｣と｢ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ？｣で、？がついてるので私のごめんなさいも届かないけど〝あなたのごめんなさいも聞こえないよ？〟って思いました
どっちにしろ鳥肌(((
そういう解釈もあるんですね！「届かないよ」と「聞こえないよ？」があったので、……………？ってなってました。
自分が言っている「ごめんなさい」がそのまま届いていなくて、最後には自分が言っている「ごめんなさい」までもストレスで聞こえなくなったりしたのかと無理やり自分を納得させようとしてたので、このコメ見つけられて良かったです〜✨
二審見て戻ってきました
0:29
このムウちゃんに注がれる緑色の液体、自分で作った"蜜"だったんだよね……
自分を可哀想に魅せる餌に 誘われたのはきっと私達なわけで……上手いなぁ
その考えすっごく好きです…！！
ムウちゃんには涙が青い時があって、それは嘘泣きなのかなあ、と思っています。
だから、全て自作自演で許してもらおうとしてた、と考察しています。
初めの方の黒板にも「ムウ悪くないもん」ってあるからこの第一審の時点からすでにムウちゃんが反省してない感あって良きですよね
あああああああああああああ…いや☹️
二審のMV中に出てくる砂時計、緑の液体じゃなくて赤い砂なんだよね
最後の「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ？」っていう歌詞の後ろでムウが「ごめんなさい」って言ってて、回数を重ねる毎にムウの声がトーンダウンしてるのって、「ごめんなさい」ってムウが何回言っても相手が「ごめんなさい」って言わないからそれにムウがだんだん不機嫌になってるってことなのかなって
私がこんなに謝ってるんだからそっちも謝るべき、なんで私がこんなに謝ってあげてるのにそっちは謝らないの？的な感じで
もしくは本当は加害者側で「ほら、ごめんなさいって言えよ」的な感じで迫ったけど被害者が言わなくて苛つき始めてる説
@梨の子 ムウいじめ加害者説あるから，ありえるかもね！
ごめんなさいって何回も言ってるのにいじめを辞めてくれないから、言う気失せてるか、不機嫌になっていってるのかと思った。
ムウって何しても謝れば許されると思ってそうだし。だからごめんの魔法なのかなぁって。
友達と夜な夜な話し合った末の考察
以下長文
ムウは過去にLINEのグループ名「たまりば」の4人で外ハネちゃんをいじめてた。
曲の最後に映る黒板の内容が曲の冒頭と違うのは、暴言の相手が違うから。
(曲の最後の黒板に貧乏くさい？みたいなワードがあるがムウはお金持ちである、左側に外ハネちゃんの似顔絵みたいなのがあるなど、ムウには当てはまらない暴言ばかり)
また、曲の最後のムウは教卓の前に立って楽しげな表情をしており、恐らく菊の花であろうものを持っている。花瓶の花が置かれている席はムウではなく外ハネちゃんの席。
「たまりば」のトーク画面が映った場面、「リップありがとう！」に対してムウの「余り物だけど良かった？」という無神経というか、ちょっと鼻につく返信、こういうのが他の3人の中では積もりに積もってたのだと思う。それである日いじめのターゲットがムウに。
壮絶ないじめの中、トイレで倒れているところに外ハネちゃんが通りがかるが、外ハネちゃんはムウを無視。それに対してムウは激昂→追いかけて刺傷って流れかなと思った。
なぜ外ハネちゃんだけ顔が鮮明に描かれてるのか、外ハネちゃんに無視された時に激昂してるのかについては、憶測でしかないですが、曲の中盤でムウが突っ伏してる机が外ハネちゃんの机(曲の最後で花が置かれてる所)の隣に見えたので、いつもいるグループとは関係なく特別仲良しだったのかなと。
きっと外ハネちゃんをいじめてる時は「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ？」と責め続けてたのでしょうね、そして歌詞の中に「ごめんの魔法」とあるように、ムウはずっとごめんと言えばなんでも赦されてきたのだと思います。だから外ハネちゃんを追いかけて謝ったけど手を振り払われて逆ギレした結果の殺人だった。
私は最近ミルグラムにハマりましたが、ムウは絶対赦されてはいけない人間だったと思います。
ムウの考察で見てきたので1番スッキリ入ってきました…！
まだ第1審査で、これだけでは分からない所がたくさんあるから判決をくだせるこちら側の憶測だけで判断して許さなかった場合、もしムウちゃんが可哀想な立場だった時後悔することになるのですごくつらいですよね…；；
同感
めちゃくちゃ同感です。
この考察が一番納得できた自分がいます
自分もこれだと思っています。
個人的には、外ハネちゃんは別にムウのことは最初からそこまで好きじゃなかったかもな…ムウが一方的に仲良しだと思ってたのかな…とも。
歌詞の端々にも、なんか悲劇のヒロイン的に酔っているというか、「追い詰められて自分が悪いと思っている子を表すなら、もっと違う表現の歌詞にしそう、『いじめてくるあなたも悪いけど、いじめられてる私にも悪いとこあったかも。こんな風に言う私はえらいし、幼稚なあなたたちより大人でしょ』と思っていそう」といった違和感がありました。
LINEグループのやりとりまでは見ていなかったので、コメ主さんのコメントのおかげで、やっぱり元から鼻につく感じのことを言っちゃう子(自分が悪いという意識が無い)だったんじゃないかな…と考えが補強されました。
それと、このくらい自分を正当化できるような子なら、いじめる相手を好いてもいるという矛盾した行為がすんなりできそうな…。
投票が接戦だったと聞いているので、今後が楽しみです。
グループは四人なのに既読４の部分は怪しいぞ🤔
このmv矛盾してるところ多いし、ムウちゃんの都合のいいように変えてる説まじでありえそう
これまるでムウが「一番酷い目にあったんだよ？こんな苦しい思いしたのに」
みたいな被害者ヅラしているようにしか見えんし確かに勝手に変えてる説有り得るね 絶対に赦さないでねみたいな圧がある
曲自体の流れが逆の話なんだろうね…
最初に少年院とか人殺しって書いてあったから…
時系列を都合よく変えている可能性は大きいです。
外ハネちゃんがいじめられているムウを無視したように見えるシーンにも矛盾がありますし(外ハネちゃんの靴下は黒色じゃない)。
時系列を正す
いじめられる⇒外ハネちゃんが助けれくれなかった⇒殺害
ではなく
何らかの前触れで外ハネちゃんとムウが不仲になる⇒外ハネちゃん殺害⇒いじめられる
みたいな感じだと思います。最初と最後の黒板を見てみればわかりやすいかもしれません。
長文失礼しました！
もしかして、時系列を逆にしてるから砂時計が出てくるのかな...
@@ああ-b2u8n天才か？
1:25 LINE会話
友1「今日ムウにもらったリップ良い♡最高♡💄♡」
友2「明日私にもかして！」
ムウ「余り物だけどよかった？ うれしい（スタンプ）」
…この子らなんかこわい…
“余り物だけど”よかった？
…ムゥちゃん性格出てるなぁ
会話から見る限りなんかお互いがお互い狂った関係なのがよく分かる絵面ですね…依存というべきなのか…
ボイスドラマ聴いて思ったんだけど、
ムウちゃんは自分のこと徹底して悪くないって思ってるから、
この一審の映像だけじゃ重要な部分何にも映ってないんじゃないかって思った。
「こういうひどいことされたから殺しちゃったの、ひどいよね、ムウ悪くないよね？
まあ、昔する側の立場だったけどね。」っていう流れの映像に思える。
一審は赦して、二審の映像で
また深く掘り下げた部分が
見てみたいですね…
て、天才か…？
@@user-bp7zk4zt6v
ここにも天才が…
ボイスドラマだと、結構鋭いところと最後の「変な判断したら許さないからね」っていうセリフからなんか違和感を感じた。
@@user-bp7zk4zt6v その描写からわざとらしいって感じる貴方が天才だってことだけ分かった
・「ごめんなさい」が聞こえないよ？
この歌詞で全てが覆った。
・私も悪いところはあるからさ
これがきっとムウの持つ異常性。あくまで悪いのは相手で、殺されるのは当然のことと思っている。赦すかどうかの投票の際にはこの部分にも是非目を向けて欲しい。
ムウちゃん、友達が「ムウがくれたリップ最高」とか褒めてくれた時に「あまりものだけどよかった？」みたいなこと素で言っちゃうタイプか……！！！！！！！
思ったことを言っちゃうタイプでもありそう
プライドが高い性格だから、そもそもどういった発言が地雷になるのか分かってない可能性があるかも。
こんなあっさりと言うから悪気一切ないつもりで言っているんだろうけどわざわざ言うことじゃないよね…
What's wrong with that.
Bro the second video got me so confused
こんなに外ハネちゃんが鮮明に映ってるってことは、ムウにとって外ハネちゃんは良くも悪くも特別だったんだろうな
“「ごめんなさい」は届かないよ”と“「ごめんなさい」が聞こえないよ？”の歌い方が違いすぎて鳥肌立ってしまった…
いままで他のキャラが出た時、いかにもモブ！って感じだったのに
青い髪の子だけこんなにはっきり描かれてるってことはそれくらいムウのがこの子に対する思いが（思い出が）濃いってことなのかな
青い髪の子どこにいるの？
@@はやくぴゅってしよっか
こやつ
2:02
@@胡麻塩ソルト 青い？
@@user-bm5pk1dc1l 青みのあるグレージュって感じ？
他のコメでも言われてるけどムウは外ハネちゃんに好意を寄せていたんだと
思う だから外ハネちゃん以外顔を描かれていないというよりただ単に興味が無かった つまりレズビアン説ですね
二審MV見たあとだと最後の教室が誰に宛てたものなのかどういう意図で置かれた花瓶なのかということも、そもそもこのMVの初めから終わりまでの印象がガラッと変わるのがすごい
第二審トレーラーを聞いてここに戻ってきたらめちゃくちゃいい気持ちになってきたな 「あなたが好きよ」って「(私の言うこと聞いてくれる)あなたが好きよ(だから戻ってきてね)」だったのかもしれないわな！！！！！！
1:25 「私のことを悪者にするなら、無視したっていいからね」って言うのに、
外ハネちゃんが無反応だった(無視された)ら、追いかけて泣いて最終的に刺しちゃうの、本当に自分が悪いとは思ってないんだろうなって……
私は悪くないんだから、無視なんてしないでしょ？なんで無視するの？って気持ちが透けて見えるもん
初見なんだけど｢ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ？｣の所がイジメの原因が自分にあるのかもって自責から｢いやアイツらが悪い、謝ったのに受け入れてくれないアイツらが悪いんだ｣に他責に変わってるのがエグくてうわっ…ってなりました…
ムウもこの映像を見てる私たちもある意味都合のいい見えてる部分しか信じてないの深いよなあ
ムウちゃんがかつていじめる側だった説を前提として、諸所の悪びれてない感じからふと考えたんですが……「“あなた”が好きよ」の“あなた”ってもしかして、“外ハネちゃん自体”じゃなくて“いじめられていたかつての外ハネちゃん”を指してたりする……？ 「(いじめられている)“あなた”が好きよ」、「“あなた”(をいじめている自分(自分達)の立場や優越感？)が好きよ」という風に捉えることも出来るのか？と…… 「」ついてるのはムウちゃんの本音・言葉だからなのかな？っていうのと同時に、わざわざ“あなた”に“”をつけてるのは、外ハネちゃんの顔描写がしっかりされてる理由にもなるのかな……と……
語彙力足らなくて＆既にどなたか出されてたらごめんなさい……！ 数日前突然おすすめにMILGRAMが現れて、どっぷりと世界観にハマってます……。ムウちゃん初見は(お恥ずかしながら)「刺しちゃダメだろ……」ぐらいにぼんやりとしか考えられなかったですが、違和感を集めだすとうわうわうわ！これ赦さない方がいいのでは？！となってしまう……でもこれ自体がミスリードだったりするかも知れませんもんね……怖いけど次がどう転がっていくのか楽しみな自分も居る……あとコスメ系の会社の令嬢説好きです。
長文失礼いたしましたm(_ _)m
【追記】
そして外ハネちゃんをいじめていたことで“生きてる”を感じていたのかも知れないな……とも思いました……(◎-◎;)
The vibe of the song:🥳💖💫😁
The lyrics & meaning:💀🔪🖤⛓🥀
just like pumped up kicks
uh... MURDER????? DEATH???? BULLYING?????
@@Val1im22 did we listen to the same song 😭
@I'm a cupcake idk where you guys are getting a happy vibe in distorted electronic beats, sad synths and depressing guitar, and dead inside singing
@@kit76149 THANK YOUUU
「痛みの中で会いましょう」のところからのリズムめちゃくちゃ好き
深く考えずに見てる勢には『貴方が好きよ』の真意が分からない。
まぁ全部わかんないんだけど。
赦せないかもだけど今のところミルグラムで1番好きな曲
わかります･･･！
ミルグラム通してのことなんだけど、これ囚人の思考を歌にしてるなら、自分に都合のいい部分だけが歌に切り取られてる可能性もあるよね、、ほら人って都合のいいことしか覚えてないし。
例えばムウちゃんなら｢実は自分がいじめてて報復されてる、最後の友人みたいな子は一緒にいじめをしてた子｣みたいな、、
これ上に上げろ
確かに…3審制なのも、後の曲で解釈が変わることもあるからだよね…ミルグラム本当に天才的な発想だな
weebs
今更ですがすみませんm(_ _)m。
1:53の写真の中にガイシャがいないことから、もしかすると写真に写っている4人でいじめていたのかな？と思いました。
そうすると「でも多分私も悪い所はあるからさ｣のところの意味もわかってきますね
"Strangers would never want to hurt each other that badly."
There's a common belief among the MILGRAM theorists that because of the photo on her phone where she is smiling with her bullies, Mu is """"""""secretly""""""""" a bully herself. There's a lot of hard stretches that people use to say that Mu isn't the victim, from "maybe she deserves to be bullied" to her faking her own bullying. However this is predominantly under the assumption that a person who is friends with their bullies must either A) mean that there is a huge reason behind why they turned on her, or B) Mu is faking her bullying for attention because she's clearly good friends with them.
However the sad truth is, a lot of bullying comes from the people closest to them. While there are often cases of people harassing strangers or acquaintances, there are just as many if not MORE cases where people are bullied by their peers. While there are reasons why people bully their friends, most of the time it's not for any 'logical' reason. It is ironic that there is a huge amount of dislike for the idea of bullying (as seen with Fuuta), however the reason why a significant number of people bully others is because they view themselves as justified somehow. Which is why I think Fuuta and Mu being next to each other is important; no bully cackles and rubs their hand plotting their evil schemes to demean others. They just do it. Because it's easy, and/or because they view the victim as 'deserving' of it. It's exceptionally easy for everyone to say that they hate bullying. But when bullying happens, a lot of people either let it happen or think that there must be some reason for it. Which permits people with the same mindset as Fuuta to do the things they do.
My actual theory/analysis, is that it's a lot more straightforward. There are many indications that the bullying is actually happening, not Mu faking it. The most obvious being the hourglass metaphor. Mu is trapped inside an hourglass, with no chance of getting out (unless if the hourglass breaks). If the bullying was fake, the hourglass wouldn't constantly fill with sand while Mu is still in it. A more accurate metaphor would be an open cage; something that Mu can leave easily but she chooses not to. An hourglass, with it's sand physically weighing down on Mu and threatening to suffocate her is dangerous. Not to mention, there is a physical wall between her and her bullies. The bullies watch her from the outside, but they don't hear her cries for help (or record her). The hourglass slowly fills up with sand, at the start there's only a little bit of sand that reaches her ankles. Then by 0:59, the sand already has crawled up to her waist. By 1:29, it almost completely covered Mu and she sits there defeated not even trying to call for help. And by 1:39, you see the last bit of sand threatening to fall out of the hourglass. The hourglass breaks when Mu stabs her crush right as the last grain of sand falls through, meaning that Mu no longer has to worry about the threat of suffocation. However she instead has to deal with the fact she stabbed someone, where she clearly hyperventilates and freaks out.
[TW FOR MENTIONS OF SUICIDE BELOW]
As for what the sand represents, my genuine theory is that it represents Mu's ability to deal with the bullying. There are a lot of allusions/implications/mentions of Mu being suicidal, and the hourglass even has a few of them (the noose at 0:35). It's likely that had she not had a fit of emotion while on her last thread, Mu would have killed herself when the hourglass ran out of sand. In essence, the hourglass is Mu's time before she ends up giving up and killing herself. However the trauma of murdering someone else shattered the hourglass, stopping Mu from taking her own life.
In addition, there are very VERY explicit depictions of her "friends" taking advantage of Mu's kindness/wealth/desire to be liked. The cell phone texts show that Mu has given the bullies her own 'spare' lipstick (of an extremely expensive, designer lipstick) and they fawn over the fact that it's extremely good. Mu appears happy that they enjoy it, because by extension it means that they appreciate having Mu around. Which then contrasts with Mu getting poured water on, and them stepping on the same phone. The stanza that accompanies Mu with the bullies alongside Mu looking on at her phone is extremely telling of their relationship.
"But I see it in my dreams even though I erased it
/ Maybe I’m done / Just one more time before saying goodbye / I’m just kidding, please forget I said that"
The first time references to Mu thinking about the happier times (which likely wasn't that happy, but they still 'appreciated' Mu, or more accurately her wealth), and that she is tired of dealing with the bullying (which is backed up by the hourglass almost almost entirely running out of sand). Before she says goodbye to the world, Mu wants to be happy again with her former friends. Mu wishes to have their friendship back, from before they started bullying her. But since she views it as a selfish, impossible desire...she dismisses it as a "joke". Mu clearly wishes for the same happy, jokey scene before but since it's something out of reach then it's easier for her to laugh it off/distance herself from the idea.
Another thing that people bring up is that "because Mu apologies a lot, this means that she's just faking it!" It's actually EXTREMELY common for people who are bullied heavily to apologize more than what is considered 'needed', since they feel like they're always in the wrong. It's why it's bad to aggressively ask someone why they're apologizing so much, because their instinctive response is to apologize for apologizing. As for why her apologies to the person she murdered end up getting weaker/not as emotional, it's likely that her crying so much/freaking out is physically exhausting her. Thus she gets more and more tired as she repeats her apologies, but it won't result in Mu being able to undo her mistake.
This is starting to get long, but tl;dr: Mu is very clearly getting bullied and a lot of her scenes/mindset speaks directly as a bullying victim rather than someone who is pretending to be a bully victim.
Exactly. Plus do people not realize that even if Mu had given the bullies a "reason" to bully her, like being arrogant or something, it still would not be enough of a reason to bully her.
1. In fact, IF Mu had done something so horrible that she would have deserved bullying, then they would be at fault, because bullying wouldn't solve anything. But obviously we're not given any good reason for why Mu should be bullied, and I don't even think there is one. Like, being arrogant is not reason enough to be bullied, as if ANYTHING ever is. Plus that's most likely a rumor at first spread behind her back, so that the bullies feel better about bullying her by justifying it to themselves and other people.
2. I don't see any way Mu would gain something positive out of pretending to be bullied. I don't think that if she was pretending, that she would get her stuff broken, get laughed at, crude writings on chalkboard etc. Even if Mu did pretend, that shows that purple haired girl probably didn't really care.
That being said, I absolutely agree with you, and think that Mu wasn't faking and that she is innocent. Purple haired girl just walked over Mu lying down on the floor, probably knowing what was happening, and just ignored it all. And sure, that's not as bad as bullying somebody and she didn't deserve to be killed, but it was still wrong. I think Mu stabbed PHG out of frustration and anger, but that it was an accident. I can't comprehend how people can look at her face in the end, and think that someone who's clearly hyperventilating and shaken up after killing somebody is faking it. And she expresses a LOT of regret over the course of the music video, unlike Fuuta, who just seems scared for HIS own life.
YES THANK YOU
@@卑弥呼-f9b I COMPLETELY agree with you both. Mu did kill someone, but its obvious that she wasn't faking due to the hints throughout the video (I won't reiterate points). She was pushed to the point of completely snapping, and when she did, she most likely wasn't thinking about it at all. I mean, PHG was her crush, who just completely ignored her in her worst state and when she directly seemed to cry for help. There could be an argument that this murder was premeditated because for some reason, Mu had a box cutter.
//TW FOR SUICIDE//
However, due to the lyrics directly before her crush passes over her, I'm fairly certain that she had the box cutter to end her own life.
"Maybe I'm done / Just one more time before saying goodbye / I'm just kidding, please forget I said that"
The hourglass had just run out previously and saying "maybe I'm done" indicates that Mu couldn't handle it anymore. She probably felt hopeless, and had the boxcutter to kill herself and "say goodbye" so to speak. The school appeared almost completely empty, and it seemed to be evening. That might be why Mu stayed where she was for so long. Maybe she was just waiting for everyone to leave so nobody could stop her, and when PHG (her crush) passed by, she desperately reached out for help one last time. Obviously, she'd probably trust her crush and believe that maybe, she could have one person on her side.
//TW OVER//
When the person she cared for actively pulled away from her after she called out for help, its no wonder Mu lashed out. She was emotionally unstable due to going through so much bullying, not to mention that she's a teenager, which is one of the most emotional age groups (I probably don't need to go into detail on this). And once again, she was clearly still in that emotional state after killing, realizing what she'd done and panicking.
So yeah, just adding onto you both. I really don't see how anyone could say Mu "deserved it" when it clearly hurt her so much. Nobody, especially not a CHILD, deserves to be pushed so far.
The whole idea of these songs are that they turned the prisoners memories and feelings into songs so they shouldn't be able to lie. Lots of people seem to think this is GameTheory and think way, WAY to hard about every little detail and end up missing the point.
Muu were friends with 3 girls, two of them started bullying her (probably because they found out she's gay/bi and in love with the third girl), She reaches out to her former friend and gets rejected, loses it and does a murder.
@@CanIswearinmyhandle yeah she's probably a lesbian because on 0:16 one of the writings of the board says ga◌ girl i think. it's on top of arrogant girl the biggest writing on the board
黄緑のモノが毒を表してて、toxic relations（有害な、心を蝕む人間関係）っていう英語の考察すき……
Toxic relationsが、依存関係といじめを表してるとすると、殺す時の「好き」がしっくりくる
Looking back on this, the hourglass is a genius representation.
Not only of Mu being "pilled up" with the bullying until she snapped and killed, but also that before Mu's side started being filled, the "other side" was the one that got filled first with the bullying.
「あなたが好きよ」の所ムウちゃんの瞳孔ちゃんと開いてるのすこ
好きな人のこと考えると瞳孔が開くって言いますもんね。恋愛的に好きって決まったわけではありませんが
1:04のところ、叩く音が幻聴で聴こえてくるくらいリアルで改めてアニメーターさんすごいなと思いました。。
ムウが凄い可哀想な話かと思ったけど考察やら見たり聞いたりしてからもう一度聴くと最後の黒板の前で笑ってる表情なんかは凄い赦せない気持ちにしてくるな
でも何故かミルグラムの中で1番の推しかも
性格は確かに最悪なんだけどその性格込みでもすごい可愛いんだよなぁ、、、何故だ、、、
0:20
内容からムウに対する黒板
3:25
ムウではない誰かに対する黒板
ピンクのセーターを着ていないのは虐める側だった頃のムウ。
1:25 1:54
おそらく「たまりば」のメンツ
1:42 〜 1:50
靴下の色、制服の着こなしからムウを虐めてるのは「たまりば」のうちの2人(あー、さゆ)
0:56
セーターなし→虐めてる側
「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ」虐めてる子に対して
2:52
虐められる側(○した後)
「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ」(いつか届くのかな)周りに向けて
2:04
ムウが○した子(個室から出てきた)の靴下は白。紺色なのでこの足はムウ自身？虐める側だった頃にムウも同じように無視したことの表現？
虐める側だった自分のことを棚に上げて、自分を無視した子をやっちゃった感じでしょうか？
ムウちゃん、騙すために嘘をついていたってよりは躁鬱みたいな感じなんじゃないかとも思った
ミルグラムは本人の性格や記憶が正直に反映されるシステムだし、これが全て嘘ならあまりにも完璧すぎる
顔立ちがはっきりした子を刺す辺りの描写は一幕も二幕も変わらないっぽいし、己の行為を正当化するために強気になったり被害者ぶったり揺らいでるのかな…とか
コンテンツしっかり追えてない激にわかの妄想だけどね
ラスサビ「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ」の裏で聞こえる"ごめんなさい"が段々気持ちのこもらない言い方になっていくのムウの本質が見えるような気がしてゾッとする
最後に出てくる黒板の文字ムウちゃんじゃなくて殺されちゃった子に対していってる気がする。もしかして昔ムウちゃんは自分を守る為に一緒になって女の子を虐めちゃってて、それでなんかあって標的が女の子からムウちゃんに変わっちゃったから女の子は助けを求められた時知らん顔したのかなとかいう考察を思いついた。
もしこうだったら赦すか赦さないか結構わかれてくるよね。
こんなにはっきり刺すところあるの初めてじゃない？
曲かわいい好き
It is true
砂時計なの見ると人を殺すまで残りこんな感じですよと知らせてるのかなという誰もが考えることしか考察出来ねぇ
第二審見て戻って来たけど2:04の足、最初は外ハネちゃんの足だと思ってたけど、3:04見ると外ハネちゃんの靴下は紺色ではなく白色なんですよね…
Oh that is another thing I did not notice
口では自分も悪かったみたいに言いながら、内心自分は悪くないって思ってるのリアル過ぎて怖い
SNSとかこういうの溢れてるよね私もそう
曲調明るめで可愛い感じなのにMVが不穏すぎるし、歌詞も辛すぎて暗い曲調にするより余計怖さ倍増だった...辛すぎるでしょ......
Reminder that we’re voting to FORGIVE or NOT FORGIVE the person, not if they’re innocent or guilty
Everyone is, to some degree, guilty of their crime. We are just deciding if we forgive them or not
What happen if the character not forgiven?
@@hilmamufidah7286 in the next trial the character will receive a less incriminating song with more focus on what make them forgivable. Noone knows what happens after the third trail tho.
@@kaedesakura9274 is that so? Wow. I think I should learn more about Milgram stuff. I new here
@@kaedesakura9274 owh! Thanks for the info
most people rn are guessing that the final trail is when all the characters that aren't forgiven give their "final words" so to speak and the other characters react to what their votes are, but it's mostly speculation at this point. there's also Es' side plot to think about and look into soo yeah.
Another thing to note is that the girl she fell in love with was her seatmate.
1:17 Mu's desk is 5th row, 4th from the right (basing it on the light from the window compared to 3:31)
3:31 Flower (which Japanese schools put on deceased student's desks) is on the desk right beside Mu's
On 1:22 Mu pushes her phone out of her desk towards that girl's desk while singing "Someone please help me."
I think this furthers the interpretation that Mu and that girl were close before the bullying began. The person she liked most likely started ignoring her after the bullying because she didn't want to get involved (like how she hid the entire time in the bathroom stall instead of helping).
Mu was actively asking for help from that girl but was ignored.
Is there some ''facts'' about this on twitter. Because there's no scene that implies she loves the girl. すき can be platonic. Although not put into words most of the time when it is platonic. Which she doesn't do.
She's also not bullied because she's gay.
The reason why she's apologizing is because she thinks the reason why she's being treated like that is because she must have done something wrong. Which at the end she did.
She was probably just her childhood friend. This often happens, at least in Japan. Childhood friends joining the bullies just so they themselves can keep their ''status'' in the classroom.
@@plzleavemealone9660 hardly anything is a coincidence in Milgram, their theory is completely valid
well , turns out muu put the flowers for a verry different reason...
:/
2:08 ここからが狂おしいほどに好き
初め曲だけ聴いてたらムウ滅茶苦茶大変な環境だったんだし仕方ないよね…ってなってたんですけどコメ欄見てた時に色んな考察があってミルグラムは本当に面白いなぁと思ってみてます。何ヶ月か後に来たらまた別の考察が生まれてるのかなぁ
考察みてて思ったけどこれそもそもムウちゃんの心象風景だから、ムウちゃんが心の底から都合の悪い部分忘れてて(見えてなくて)自分が可哀想なとこ(いじめられているところ)ばかり見えてる？
もともといじめられていた子からいじめの標的が変わって〜っていう考察読んでいたらムウちゃん自身もいじめに加担していた可能性たしかにあるしそれが心象風景の中に写ってないのはもしかしてその部分(本当に自分が悪い部分)については悪いと思ってないというかなかったことになってるというか言葉(歌詞)だけなんだよね。
もしかしてもしかしてこれ同情してほしいっていう強い想いの表れでこんなに単純に「赦す」票が集まりそうな映像になっているけれどよくよく考えると「赦さない」ほうがいい案件だったり…す…？？？？る？？？？
いつもはコメントしないでROMってるんだけど今回ばかりは我慢ならなくて来てしまった
ムウちゃん赦す派の人は考察を読み漁って意見がまとまったらサブスクでムウちゃんとエスのボイスドラマを聴いてくれ
MV初見段階で赦す派だった僕が一瞬で赦せない派に転んだからマジで聴いてほしい、crying Bってタイトルのボイスドラマ、聴いてくれ、MV見るだけで、歌聴くだけで終わらせるのはあまりにももったいない、もっと知ってくれ…
ムウちゃんとエスのボイスドラマ聞けばわかるんだけどあまりにも「自分は悪くない」の主張が強すぎる…
人を殺しておいて「自分は悪くなくて相手が悪い」はちょっとなあ、という理由があるので個人的にはもうムウちゃんを赦せなくなってしまった…
MVでは「私にも悪いところはあるからさ」とか「私はいらない」とか弱気な言葉ばかり出てくるけどボイスドラマ聞いてる感じ赦されたいから可哀想ないじめられっ子を演出してる感が否めない…
「変な判断したら許さないからね」の声のトーンが落ちる感じもすごい引っかかる……
これはあくまでも僕の考えなのでやっぱり自分の耳で聴いて確かめてほしいところ。なんかこれこそまさに 全てを知ったあなたはちゃんと赦せるかな？ って感じというか。
@@おにぎりにぎにぎ-p5y
本当にそう思います。私も最初のムウちゃんのイメージが大分一新されました…
殺した女の子はイジメてないと思ってるんですけど、イジメてない子を殺して「私は絶対悪くない」はちょっと違うかなと…
ボイスドラマ聞いて、ムウちゃんってそんなに弱い子じゃないなって確信しました。
私も赦さない派です。
@@おにぎりにぎにぎ-p5y ボイスドラマは聞いてないんですけど、公式サイトのボイスでどれか「殺す以外逃げる方法がなかったから仕方ない」っと言ってたり、「私のしたことが悪いかどうかは他の人にはわからない」とかかなり自己中な感じがします。
ＭＶと公式サイトのセリフを比べれば比べるほど謎の「木の葉許してはいけない」という謎の感覚が迫ってきます。
「私がいなくなれば 消えればよかったの」っというくらいなら親の財力で引っ越すなりすればよかったんじゃ？とかも思いますし、色々と引っかかりますね…
殺した子の事はＭＶで彼女の手を掴んだ瞬間「“あなた”が好きよ」っというフレーズが来るので、殺した子が好きで構って欲しいから周りにいじめて欲しいって頼んでいたとかもあり得そうだなって思いました。
よっしゃ。買うわ((
ここまで来て思うんだけど、曲、MV、ドラマCD聞いてハルカとムウちゃんは、もちろん被害者としての1面もあるんだけど、なんか…奥底にまだ人格を隠してるような気がするというか…。同情の気持ちと同時に怖いと感じる何かがある…。
私だけですかね？
分かります……
なんか闇深そうな案件が隠れてて怖いですよね……
ドラマCDとか聞いていて引っかかる部分が、多くありましたしね…
@@user-nm5co2rs8q そうなんですよね。
あと個人的にミルグラムの方で行われた尋問にもハルカだけですが闇深そうな答えが何個もあって……うん……となりました。
これムウちゃん心中しようとしてたんじゃない？
｢痛みの中で会いましょう、私だけの居場所｣
｢心隠す死化粧、解き方は内緒｣
｢悪魔の声による刺傷、返す刃は遺書｣
｢貴方が好きよ｣
殺すつもりならおかしい文な気がする。
2審ではべつにカースト最上位ではなさそうだったから(自分で思ってるだけ)、時系列的には
れいちゃんいじめる→反応薄くてつまらない→ムウちゃんいじめる→ムウちゃんがレイちゃんに執着し始める→言うこと聞いてくれないなら一緒に死の！→レイちゃん殺したけどムウ怖くて死ねない…→わ、わるくないもん！！
だと予想
心中説！？初めて聞きました！その考察とってもおもしろいです！
Muu’s song is the only one in the first trial that shows the victim clearly with facial expressions.
This may not be accurate since I didn't finish watching first trial MVs, but maybe it's bc Mu's the only one who knew her victim personally? Not 100% sure tho
@@justdemi2585mahiru’s victim was her boyfriend
Kazui knew his wife too. And Amane knew her mum/dad.
@@2E_34ZhangYinuoIno Yeah I just now realised that lmao, like I said, I only started watching T1 MVs so I made this dumb theory
もう全力で被害者ヅラしてるようにしか見えなくて最高 可愛い 大好き
*_-Cute-_*
この曲聞いてからだと、ボイスの「私がしたことは後悔してない」みたいな言葉が自己暗示の言葉に感じられる……
油時計(砂時計？)は使うとき最初に逆さにする必要があるので、時系列が反転してる説推したいです。
他のコメントで見たんだけど(あなたのごめんなさいが届かないよ)で確かにと思った。よく聞いたら3:06ぐらいから3:18までいろんな人たちがごめんなさいって言ってる…それを掻き消すようにごめんなさいが聞こえないよって歌ってる感じがした。ミルグラムすごい…
ごめんなさいが聞こえないよってムウちゃんのごめんが聞こえないからいじめられてるとか勝手に思ってたけどよく聞くと後ろでムウちゃんじゃない声でごめんなさいって声が聞こえるからムウちゃんは言われる側だったんだね
歌詞で「私のことを悪者にするなら無視したっていいからね」ってあるのに、無視されて殺しちゃってるからどうなんだろうとは思ってる。
i cant be the only one who thinks the instrumental at the beginning sounds like the clacking of scissors and like a box cutter scratched against something?
HOLLYY COW I NEVER REALIZED THAT
@@xoxolovez it's certainly a bit subtle but its really cool if the composer did that intentionally!
ムウちゃんは第一審赦されたけどそれは、みんな1度赦して第二審で赦さないで、ムウちゃんに地獄を見せようってことだよね？
まぁ、ジャッカロープが「好き嫌いでもいい」って言ったから判断基準がみんな一緒だとは思ってないけど個人的には赦す勢が強くてびっくりした。
最初は黒髪の子に「今までいじめててごめんなさい助けて」的なこと泣きながら言ってるのかと思ってたけどムウちゃんの性格的に「何でこんな目に遭ってるのに助けてくれないの！？」って取り乱してるように見える、でも腕振り解かれてこんなに私がお願いしてるのに、、！何で私の言うこと聞かないの！？ってなって刺したんかな、、
リアルタイムの一審のコメ見た後に二審のコメ見るとめっちゃ手のひら返ってんのいっそ爽快
最初の黒板の文字『親の七光り』だとか、途中のスマホの画面だとか、『死化粧』っていう歌詞だったりとかで多分化粧品メーカーの社長の娘、とかだったんじゃないかな。そういう考察しかできん…
なるほど…それなら某デパコスリップが「余り物」っていう所とも繋がりますね…！
I relate to Muu deeply. I am currently in a really bad situation online and I feel like I have the exact same mindset as she has.
I feel like I’ve been constantly switching between being the one hated on and the one to send hate. I feel like people have done bad things to me so I have lashed out and hated on them, and it keeps repeating. I can’t stop victimising myself unconsciously, I am aware that what I’m doing is bad and a lot of it is my fault but I don’t want it to be.
A part of me is trying to push the blame onto others and claim that their actions have been the one to push me this far, but I don’t even know what is true everywhere.
I have been extremely paranoid of everyone in this situation and am so scared that everyone is going to hate and hurt me, and some of the people who have blocked me or who I have felt I have hurt are people I used to consider friends, but I’m in the situation where I can only feel anger towards them.
I have apologised a lot, but I never feels as my words of “I’m sorry” has reached anyone. And I feel as if I’m yelling into an endless void.
Someone did reach out to me, to help me. But an incident happened where it felt like they betrayed me. I don’t know if it was a misunderstanding or not, but we got back together. But I am in the situation where I am eating on them to make a choice which could lead to me indefinitely hating them.
I’ve felt like hating and lashing out in violence has been the only option and I can’t escape in any other way. That counterattack is the death of me. But if I feel like everyone suddenly accepts me I feel like I will slip into a mindset of nothing being my fault. And I feel like I am a complete monster for acting the way I am.
If I look at Muu’s behaviour in trial 2. I really do feel like that I am going to destroy anyone who “betrays” me. That even a single like on a post that I feel like is targeting me makes them dead to me.
I feel as I am controlling the people who still support me through victimising myself even if I don’t know it. I feel as though everyone is picking sides and I am the head person in charge of “my side”, and the monster.
I’ve never thought about Muu that much but this situation has made me understand her so, so much more. I can now understand every action she’s made, why she lashed out against Rei and why she turned to be a bully, and the cycle she’s trapped in.
I hate how people mischaracterise Muu and say she’s irredeemably evil or a manipulator, as someone in a very similar situation people assuming that about me is my biggest fear. And I feel scared for how she’s going to turn up in trial 3.
But, I just need to respect how realistic Muu’s situation is and how it’s guiding me through a tough some, serving as some sort of cautionary tale. Muu and her story may be the way I could get out of this situation. So I have utmost respect to the creators of Milgram for portraying her character like this, as she resonates deeply with me.
Hey man, just wanted to to let you know it gets better. Life is never a never ending cycle of hatred. I know you got this
@@fellowmemer5693 yeah. I had a talk with someone online which managed to re inspire hope in me and stop hating myself so much. Currently I feel as though I can persist through this situation and I just needed to clear my mind and accept my mistakes, and move from there
It will change, life will be better, you`re not alone. :з
"ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ"は鳥肌
After I viewed "It's not my fault"
I don't think I can look at After Pain the same anymore yall-
Me too.....
Tbh, there were hints that Muu wasn't an innocent angel in After Pain too (keep in mind, this is how the prisoners view themself, and Muu kept victimizing herself in AP)
最初は「ごめんなさいは届かないよ」なのにラストで「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ？」ってサラッと相手に謝罪求めてるみたいになってて、こっちが本性か、、、、ってこじつけてる、つらい
誰かの役に立てれば。
公式ページ引用
ムウ/楠夢羽(くすのき むう)
CV：香里有佐
｢なんで私がこんな檻に入れられなきゃいけないの
……ひどいよ。｣
日本人離れした透明感のある容姿の美少女の囚人。
線の細い見た目に反して思ったことはハッキリというタイプで、ミルグラムという異常な状況に反抗している。エスに対して最初は強い警戒心を持っている。
ひとつひとつの所作には育ちの良さを感じさせ、おそらく裕福な家庭に産まれたであろうことを想像させる。そのせいかプライドが高く、他人と衝突するとすぐに涙ぐんでしまい弱音を吐きがち。
性別＿＿＿＿女
身長＿＿＿＿162cm
誕生日＿＿＿＿7月5日
年齢＿＿＿＿16歳
血液型＿＿＿＿A型
むうちゃんと誕生日近いから一番好きだけどこれ見てて辛いわ…
これ一審ニ審でページのプロフィール変わるんですか？！(昨日ハマった愚か者)
クズとか性格が悪いとかじゃなくて「自分がしてきたことがいじめで、しちゃいけない事だと分かってない」って感じがするんよ
個人的に口パクのシーンは「私なんかした？ねえ」みたいな感じに聞こえる
もう既に出てたらごめ
ムウちゃんって幼いところがあって(それこそ公式のキャラクター紹介文にある『他人と衝突するとすぐに涙ぐんでしまい弱音を吐きがち』とか)それゆえに善悪の区別がつかずにいじめをいじめと認識していなかった可能性、あると思います。
ムウちゃん可愛すぎかな
one thing i noticed is that, if you listen carefully, there's this background sound of a clock ticking consistently up until the chorus each time (where it explodes in that bang! as she breaks out into the chorus, kind of like an alarm going off), and then disappears, only to reappear again for the verse.
during the bridge, it's gone in the first part, but comes back when she's running towards the other girl at 2:10, and at 2:23 it goes out in it's usual kind of ring, but then reappears when she's confronting the girl -- and this time the clock ticking is much more audible, and slower than at any point in the track, kind of to emphasize how it's counting down to muu's breaking point -- when she stabs the girl. also important to note that this time when it 'rings', it's more aggressive than at any other points; compare 2:37 - 2:38 to 1:23 - 1:26 & 0:25 - 0:28; usually it kind of has that typical ringing tone kind of sound, but at her breaking point it's lacking that ring, just the aggressive percussive beat signaling her final break -- the hourglass being shattered.
again at 3:22 the ticking comes back, but rather than erupting or ringing like before, it just stops, showing the finality of that hourglass shattering.
bonus: unrelated to the clock ticking, but i like how from 3:07 to 3:20, when she's speaking her lines instead of singing them (the "i'm sorry" lines), she goes from sounding very meek and fragile, to apathetic and resolute.
You have good ears! The clock ticking is actually really cool, didn't notice that before
you're first person I've seen to also notice the spoken "sorry" lines at the end and how they change! I think it's such a cool bit of the song that's all too easy to overhear-- also, incredible voice acting from arisa kouri ;)
this is such an amazing observation!! totally makes sense too since mu is themed around an hourglass throughout the MV
YES OMG I WANTES TO MENTION 3:07-3:20 FOR THE LONGEST TIME CUZ I THOUGHT IT SOUNDED SO COOL, but also the clock ticking part was a good catch! That’s like a genius move ngl
Yall she's always been like she is now. She just isnt getting viciously bullied and harassed anymore. Along with that we also told her what she did was right lol.
Also her and Haruka are in a CODEPENDENT relationship, she is not some evil woman who decided she was gonna manipulate himm. They've literally been friends since early on as well, their situation anf stuff just pushed them to that point yknow 😭
Edit: this still applies after inmf idgaf
SO TRUE YOU ARE SO BASED IM GLAD SOMEONE HERE HAS BRAIN CELLS
gosh dang , can't wait for tiral 2 of her song
True, based, goated, and a massive W
SAY IT LOUDER FOR THE PEOPLE IN THE BACK
i have bad feeling bout her coz of her distorted voice in the beginning of trial, it kinda hint that she wanted to pay back to all who hurt her (either who already did or will do in the future) like the mentality of wanting to attack before they can hurt you.... well hope that its not really true tho since i am gonna feel bad about haruka
This one is pretty straight forward than the other ones. Mu was friends with a group of girls, but then they turned on and started bullying her. One day, she chased after one of these friends, who was most likely the one she was closest to, and asked her why she had turned on her. The friend just turned her away, and Mu killed her in a fit of anger.
I think that they bully her because she was in love with the girl and ask the girl out.
What I got from it is that she was kinda agreeing with them in an toxic relationship sort of way, like denial. Since she outright says that it was simple might mean she’s in denial of the whole story. Maybe this detail doesn’t matter but idk man
The girl she kills at the end is separate from her friend group. You can see her friend group at 1:53 on the broken phone, and notice how the girl at 2:01 doesn't match any of them.
Anna Mai Perhaps the girl didn’t bully Mu, but didn’t do anything about it either.
Everyone the shoes of purple girl it not same. Mu killed the wrong person. It her twin.
皆、ムウちゃんが外ハネの子を庇ったから標的が移ったって考察してるけど
私は元々ムウちゃんが外ハネの子をいじめてて、ムウちゃんのプライドの高い性格だったりなんかの拍子にいじめの標的になって、立場が逆転しちゃったっていう説を推しますね..._(:3 」∠)_
イジメはあかんけど、こういうキャラって自分で敵作って、自分のことは棚上げでされた事だけフォーカスするタイプよな。現実でもこういうのおるからめっちゃリアル
Everyone is talking about how Mu is such a terrible person because of her second trial and how it was uncovered that she was a manipulative pos, but doesn’t this MV kind of disprove that?
We know these MVs represent how the inmates genuinely perceive themselves because of Mahiru’s MVs and interviews, and we saw her extremely distraught by the bullying she experienced and her murder, so isn’t it possible she actually is regretful and less calculative than she portrays herself as?
We know that one of Milgram’s ultimate goals with all of this is to make us rethink and reconsider how we view murder and other heinous deeds by giving us not only multiple controversial stories with similar outcomes but also the power to decide whether we think they deserve forgiveness for their actions or not, and leaving Mu off with a terrible portrait of her self image is just a not good way to go about that. It’s more than possible for the third trial to reveal Mu doesn’t view herself as a monster (excessive, but fitting) or a victim exclusively but rather both at the same time. I think we should change our outlook on Mu from just one trial to all of the trials as a big picture, because once we do that it becomes clear she recognizes what she’s doing is wrong, but for some reason she feels she deserves the consequences or that she feels she is without any other course of action but to lie through her already difficult life.
Probably just projecting, though
My girl got one dose of innocence and just goes full on "Yeah Not my Fault", definitely needs to grow more lul, just goes to show how easily influenced people can be
あの今日公式Twitterからあがってたムウちゃんこれから何が起こるか怖くて分からなさすぎてまた戻ってきてしまった…何故…
But ....Why aren't more people knowing about MILGRAM? It's one of the best things that happened for me in 2020
Ikr!!
it doesn't appear in recommendation, so lol.
Only know cus someone else's know, although I'm only here for the song
@@thearmyofiron well I got the recommendation, damn I love this theoric comments
RUclips just recommend miligram to me when Mikoto’s mv released 😃
I only found out Milgram after finding a song(Undercover) remixed in a game(D4DJ) when looking up the lyrics for it.
なんというかまた難しい歌がきたなぁ、これ。
いじめの被害者、助けを求めたのにそれを振り払われてしまったことで突発的に相手を刺してしまい死なせてしまった、という感じでしょうか？
いじめに直接参加していない数少ない人物だったからこそ助けてくれる、と思ってしまったのでしょうか？
いじめていた相手への報復ですらないのが、どうしようもなく救いがなくて悲しい。
砂時計に閉じ込められて曲の進行と共に溜まっていくのが精神的に追い詰められいくのを表している気がするし、同時にそのまま閉じ込められたままだったら彼女の死で終わっていたかもしれないと思うと目を覆いたくなるような惨状。
殺人を犯してしまったことは良いとは言えないが、閉じ込められていた砂時計を壊してしまったことで生き延びることが出来たと考えるとどうなのかなぁと思ってしまう。
しかも、彼女自身がどうしようもないことをしてしまったと今も責め続けているような最後の感じがより辛い。
どういう形であれ殺人を犯してしまったのなら赦すべきではないという理屈の部分と、だったらいつ終わるのかも分からない苦痛にひたすら耐え続けていればよかったのかという心情の部分が鬩ぎ合う。
赦す赦さないを論じるのなら彼女自身よりも、そこまで彼女を追い詰めておきながら問題を起こした原因を自分自身に問うことなく新しい火種として非難するような周囲の人間の方では？などと思う。
直接的な暴力ではなくても人を死なせてしまえるということに無自覚過ぎると感じる。
0:27 ここのイラストに花瓶はないけど、黒板には"少年院に行って欲しい"
もしかしたら「いじめられて助けてくれなかったから殺した｣
んじゃなくて、「友達を殺したから虐められた」んじゃないの？
イラストがところどころ"わざとらしい"ってコメントを見て、ムウの都合のいいように順序が逆になってるんじゃないかなと思った
Coming back here after the most recent song is so jarring
囚人楽曲で、ハッキリと殺人のシーンが描かれているのはこのMVくらいだよね。遥くんもそれっぽい描写はあったけど……
ムウちゃんの曲は『私は悪くないよね？』って訴えかけてるようにしか見えない…
投票、赦す派が勝ちましたね。
私は赦さないに入れたのですが…第二審どうなるか楽しみです。
考察でもなんでもないけど、最後の黒板で「いつも楽しませてくれてありがとう！お花をプレゼントしておいたよ」ってあって、ムウちゃんお花持ってるから殺された子が虐められていた時実は楽しんでた…？
それで自分の番になってから後悔してごめんなさいって言ってるのかな？
その説ありますね……。。
ムウ自身がいじめに加担していたと考えると安易に赦すという選択はできないかも…………
@@user-po9rk1qy5n そうなんですよね、もし元いじめてた方なら赦せない方になりますよね…
ｺﾛされた子との関係性が今回の赦す赦さないのキーポイントになりそうなのでとても気になります🤔
確かに・・・
あなたのコメントを拝見して思ったのですが、その黒板にある「いつも楽しませてくれてありがとう！お花をプレゼントしておいたよ」の文字、サビの最初に表示される文字と似てませんかね・・・もしかしたらその黒板の文字を書いたのがムウちゃんであることを示しているかもしれないと思いました！
その黒板の前にいる時のムウちゃん、よく見るとちょっと笑顔なんですよね…怖い
apparently RUclips decided that out of all the milgram prisoner songs so far this one is worthy of being promoted by the algorithm (it has the most views out of the other prisoner songs so far, excluding undercover)
i actually got an ad for this mv, it’s how i even found out about milgram!
@@matariimau an ad... that's very interesting. welcome to the fandom and have fun reading/making theories :D
@@iluVioletLink thank you for the warm welcome! having a fun time so far :-)
can confirm, it showed up in my home section even before i knew what milgram was
month later and its still here
1:54くらいからの韻踏んでるとこのリズムめっさ好き！
Mu seems like the kind of character to apologize not out of guilt or sorrow, but to demand forgiveness/be forgiven. As shown in the lyrics ["I'm sorry" won't reach anyone.], she's expecting forgiveness by saying "I'm sorry" which makes sense if you consider her possibly being spoiled.
It's also worth noting that she feels no guilt for the crime she's committed. (because she's not actually sorry, she just expects pardon due to her circumstances)
she seems to come from a well-established family, where that be mid class or higher.
Meaning, she likely got many things handed to her on a silver platter or was born with a silver spoon. These things in consideration, she likely had to say a simple "I'm sorry" for pardon or forgiveness. This teaches her not to apologize out of guilt, but to apologize to get out of something.
"My sorry spells must be wearing off"
interesting how she referred to apologizing as a spell, as if it would take her pain away like magic or take her out of the situation. Similar to 'kissing the pain away' kind of themes.
Like a spell, she expects it to work. She expects pardon or forgiveness for saying "I'm sorry".
That's just my thoughts on it, though.
Seeing the song trailer, it appears you were right :O Nice job
Enstarrie
Mu fans how we feelin after the new MV dropped
still slaying
Bad….
she's innocent trust me I am her knife😍
Um..😭😭
Flabbergasted 😟😧
ムウちゃんのだけこんなに鮮明に人を殺した描写とか周りの人の顔とか描かれてるのってさ、やっぱり自分の中でちゃんと罪の意識があるのかな？それか、あえて逆をついて明確な罪の意識があんまりなくて自分が悪い訳じゃないと思ってるから直接的な表現でも赦されると思ってるとか……
どっちなのかは分からないけど……
the framing of the murder scene like a confession scene goes soooo hard
its more of her crying for help
いじめられてる原因の一つとして「親が金持ちでいつも自慢してきてウザい」もあっただろうに、それに気づかず「ハズレを引いたの」なのガチでムウちゃんなんだなって
よく見たら自撮りの中にレイちゃんいなかった、、どんどん進むにつれて最初に戻って確認したくなるくらい細かい演出がたまらなすぎる
ムウの顔と声と曲はすきなんだよな。表面的な部分は全部好き。性格がアレすぎて推すに推しきれない歯がゆさがつらい。
すっごいガバガバ考察だけど
油時計はいじめられてかけられた水で、
その水がかかる度、ムウちゃんの
主犯格への殺意が油時計のように
溜まっていったってことかな、？
追記！
これ殺したのは主犯格じゃなくって元々自分と1番仲が良かったけどいじめてる側（主犯では無い？）
になってしまった友達って事かな、、最後に助けを求めたけど受け入れてもらえなくて爆発しちゃったのか、、でも結局みんなに批難されるとか本当に胸糞でムウちゃん赦しちゃうなこれ、、
確かに時計が壊れた瞬間殺しちゃってる…
個人的に最後に叩かれてるのは死んだ子じゃないかなと思います.......
@@絹ごし豆腐-r5h 確かに…ちなみに最後の黒板に「ムウ」って文字一つもありませんよね…これもどういう関係なのか…
@@nukochanmachine
んん。。。
個人的には最後の黒板には首つりと刺し傷を連想させる絵があるのと
一つだけきれいな字で「楽しませてくれてありがとう」みたいな文字があるのがきになっていて
むうちゃんも花持っているし
首つりは最初の砂時計の時に足元に落ちていたので
まだよくわかんないですが時間逆行説推してますね。。。。
@@絹ごし豆腐-r5h 設定見ればわかるんですけど、ムウちゃん裕福な家庭の子なんですよ…。でも貧乏って最後の黒板書かれてるんです。だから私も同じ考えです。
ちょっと長めです。
アプリで2人ずつ並んでたり、アンダーカバーでも2人ずつ区切られてるような演出が気になっていたので、少し考えましたが
ハルカとユノは血縁関係者の殺害
(ハルカは既に生まれている血縁関係者
ユノは生まれてくる前の血縁関係者)
フータとムウはいじめ関係者の殺害
(フータは間接的な殺害
ムウは直接的な殺害)
誰をどのようにころしたのか、明言されてないのであくまで仮説ですが、2人ずつ何かしら共通してるものがあるのかなぁと思います。
それはそれとして、今回のムウちゃんは、「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ～」の部分からバックで聞こえる「ごめんなさい」がトーンダウンしているのが「ごめんなさいは？」と言っているようでちょっと不穏な感じが考えすぎだと思いたいんですが(ムウちゃん結構好みなので)。
お家が裕福＋自分は悪くない的な発言がチラホラある所から、
親御さんの力で少年院行き等免れたような感じもしていて、
好きなんだけど赦してはいけないような気がしてツラい。
A note - All of the stationary in Mu's bag is very sharp (pins, two box cutters, scissors, a compass) and at the start there's a noose in the hourglass with her. She's likely to be self harming, the writing on the chalkboards indicate this too
muu my innocent princess trust
アフターペイン→after painで
「痛みのあと」って意味なんだろうけど、「痛みの痕」とも「痛みの後」とも捉えられるのなんかいいな（語彙力消失）
i think it's interesting to take a look at the writings in blackboard:
- "arrogant girl" is the biggest one
- グズグズ can mean someone who complaint a lot
- a picture depicting self-harm?
- saying she cry easily
- "that's so mean (crying)" below knife drawing
i think mu come off as arrogant because of her wealthy family, the type of girl who complaint a lot (again, bc of her wealthy family), and cry easily ー leading to people disliking her. mu might also be self-harming for attention (or simply bc she was bullied)
another interesting to note that the hourglass might represent mu's "breaking" point. it fill up as the song goes on and right after it look it's almost empty, the lyrics say "i'm done" (1:44). the green liquid represent acid, i.e mu's toxic relationship with the 3 girls.
and now for the reason mu is bullied ー
come the purple-haired girl (i'm referring her as purple girl from now on). i believe that mu loved her in romantic sense. she might be mu's only "real" friend that doesn't see mu s a walking money bag. upon realizing mu's feeling for her, purple girl pushed mu away and "abandoned" mu. i also believe that purple girl is a snitch, telling mu's 3 friends (or perhaps even everyone in the school) that she like girls, thus the lines at 1:26
adding on, the line "the stabbing of the little devil's voice" (2:02 and 2:15) seems to be associated with purple girl, further confirming that purple girl inflicted some kind of misery upon mu, directly or indirectly
mu's 3 friends reacted negatively to knowing mu liked purple girl, thus her "sorry" not reaching any of them and her getting bullied. she also likely has internalized homophobia, blaming herself for liking another girl (0:42)
this indicate that mu has completely given up, secretly planning her own suicide already as a last ditch "revenge" against those that bullied her (1:55)
the purple girl might've mocked mu (the stabbing of the little devil's voice line) or maybe it's the act of purple girl "abandoning" mu and walking away. or purple girl might've reminded mu that the reason she was suffering is partially bc she liked purple girl. either way, purple girl snapped mu (2:06)
in the chase scene we see overflowing pipe (representing mu's hourglass breaking and everything spilling out), a hourglass on the edge of stairs (mu about to break), and a crow taking off (mu seeing death, either hers or purple girl's, as the only way to set her free from pain)
2:24 "why won't you stop hurting me" might be mu seeing purple girl as her source of misery (bullying)
mu might've chased after her to "apologize" for having romantic feelings for purple girl, but purple girl just brushed mu off. seeing as how everyone (first her 3 friends, now purple girl) "abandoned" mu, she just completely broke and stabbed purple girl in either act of desperation or rage
2:46 "i want to feel alive" "is it ok if i breathe" mu probably just see purple girl as her source of misery and thought that by ending her, mu can be finally free from all her pain and "alive" again
2:53 she immediately regretted her actions, but no one want to listen to her anymore thus her sorry not reaching anyone
her bullying likely worsened after what she did. the writings in the blackboard basically all tell her to hurry and go die. the flower vase could be tribute to purple girl's passing, but more likely than not it's a "go die" bullying for mu
Hey you should listen to her voice drama!! Maybe your perception of her would change!
The blackboard also has something saying "i wish she transferred to an all boy school" smth like that i think so yeah she definitely is in love with purple girl
@@kookoo7511 Um sorry but “少年院” is not "boy's school" in Japanese. It's actually a juvenile reformatory for teenagers who committed crimes. There's also “犯罪者”, which means "Criminal" in Japanese.
To be honest, it should be "男子校" if it's referring to boy's school.
@@shavlis can i know where i can listen to her voice drama with English subtitle? Pardon my grammar, English isn't my first language
@@aziel8628 the voice drama is in spotify but sadly there aren't any english subtitles that I know of, however @milgrammer in tumblr might do a translation!
こんな風にいじめられてるわけじゃないけど、歌詞とMVが今までの曲よりかなりシンプルで共感しやすい…気持ちがわかるぶん赦したい気持ちもあるけどわかるからこそ赦したくない気持ちもある……
After watching the MV multiple times, reading theories and translating Japanese theories this is my conclusion.
A lot of Japanese theories state the girl who was stabbed at the end was probably the first girl to get bullied and they ended up switching to Mu afterwards for some reason. I think that's correct since she has a face, somewhat similar to Mu's at some points in the video, maybe Mu saw a bit of herself in the other girl since they were both bullied. The part that best describes what I'm thinking is the eye colour, they both have green eyes most of the time but the other girl's eye colour changes to orange at 2:48 meaning at that point Mu may have realised she wasn't the same as her after all which led to Mu stabbing her.
There are theories in both languages saying that Mu might love the other girl and I'd say it *could be* correct. It *could be* why the bullying target changed, if Mu confessed to the girl, the girl may have used that as an opportunity to get out of being bullied. She may have snitched on Mu and/or took advantage of the fact that Mu was willing to get bullied in her stead. Either way people probably started looking for Mu's flaws to justify themselves while harassing her, it's easy to overlook a person's negative traits when you consider them a friend but after turning on them, those are the first traits you think of when bad-mouthing said friend; Things like "I always thought she acted arrogant" will make them sound like a victim or kind person in their own heads, "I overlooked her negative traits for too long" or something of the like. Leading to the line 1:27 where it's stated they made her the villain.
Mu was most likely unaware she sounded arrogant leading to the lines at 0:42 - 0:55. It was natural for her to act the way she did since people always "let her off" and never told her that she was acting snobby until they full on bullied her (due to her wealth probably) which makes her question, "Is it okay to breathe?" In the end it seems she doesn't know what to do other than apologise but it didn't work.
The other girl probably started ignoring Mu after she became the target of bullying (1:27 - 1:38 lines may be related) which led to Mu chasing her at the end. She probably got scared at that point and shook Mu off, maybe she didn't want to suffer again? Either way this leads Mu to stabbing her since she probably felt betrayed at this point, my theory has gone full circle so I'd stop but I mightmention some things I'm less certain about in the replies.
So do you forgive her? Personally, I do since this hit a bit too close to home.
I also think the bystander girl that Mu liked was, well, unfortunate, however she didn't really help Mu who was actually about to sister snap, you know?
@@jamuskite Yeah I forgive Mu, I think she needs therapy rather than any punishment tbh.
@@Siebenn she defo needs therapy. And a safe environment right after too. I just dont know if im ready for her next mv, since im assuming its going to be way more incriminating than this one
@@jamuskite Yeah it's gonna be sad seeing 80% possibly turning to less than 40% (worse case scenario) but I'm interested in seeing how it'll go at the same time.
@@jamuskite how do you guys vote whether they should be forgiven or if they're guilty? i went to the website but i can't understand anything
「ごめんなさいが聞こえないよ」相手にごめんなさいと言えとでも言っているような、何故謝ってくれないのか、まるで自分は悪くない、あなた達が悪いのだから謝ってよ、って言っているような気がしました。
「でもたぶん私も悪いとこがあるからさ」たぶん、と言うところから自分の悪いところに気がついていない。
やっぱり、他の考察が凄すぎる、色々な人の考察読んだり歌詞からなんとなく思っただけだけど、ムウちゃんは赦すべきではない。
After the release of the second mv, the lyrics “Why won’t you stop hurting me?” and “My heart is dried up” have a really different vibe to them now. The first might be Muu’s perspective of her victim speaking to her or Muu victimizing herself like “Why are you mad, I never did anything wrong!” (Aka “It’s Not My Fault”) and the “My heart is dried up” part might be more Muu’s general lack of empathy than her feeling empty after having so many overwhelming emotions from her bullying, but that’s just a first glance theory
EDIT: ALSO just realized “post mortem make up to hide my heart” might be after she killed the girl, and the “make up” is the facade of being a victim she is putting on for the audience in the first trial.
But the MV's are supposed to showcase their emotions and headspace, so she would have to fake how she feels. I think the first MV shows that Muu is defenseless and sad when she isn't supported, but when we forgave her, she got back to her confidence where she puts everybody else down so that they can't put her down. I also think that she thinks gossiping is just a normal friendship thing AAAAAAAND I think that the “post mortem make up to hide my heart” means that she tried to pretend that she didn't kill the girl but that it was instead a suicide.
The lines "I overheard, I found out/ How much I’m not needed" seems to imply realizing her position in the social hierarchy was not as stable as she thought it was. There might always be a "Queen bee" but it doesn't necessarily need to be her specifically, and since that's what her worth was tied into it makes sense that it would come across the way it does since it's still from her point of view.
It's not a facade, she genuinely believed she was the victim
just because she was bitch before doesn't mean she wasn't actually a victim.
@@Braylix because she was still bullied even if she was a bully first. she didn't *believe* she was a victim, she was still a victim no matter the circumstances