They talked about the enormous cost, but didn’t think to compare to the total cost of a lifetime of therapy as opposed to a session or two with psychedelics.
@@thedude7726 not at all true; and a third party can easily implant their own agenda into a trip experience. The classic tryptamines are best taken alone, in the dark, with headphones on & a 12 hour playlist of personally-selected music ready.
I often think this, can't believe there's people that live a whole lifetime and never experience a transcendental experience, what a missed opportunity.
Dude in the finance bro shoes on the right was giving so much unmistakable finance bro energy from the second this began that he really didn't even need to say it.
The idea of venture capitalists being associated with psychedelic is absolutely revolting. I know it's inevitable but still, psychedelics are about freeing you mind, capitalists just want to restrain it.
Y'all are looking too deep into something that isn't there. Why not just appreciate people's interest and quit judging based on looks or qualities. That's pretty unpsychedelic of you. Hippiecrits
Yes yes yes, the Trip is Everything! The Point, the Reason for using it in a therapeutic way is to €xperience first hand the Confounding, Illuminating, and Profoundly Ontologically Challenging Nature of Reality. When contained to a degree, and not blowing the participants mind too much, it can actually create an an Experiencer Double. That is, an Alternate Personality who knows now that Reality is Magic. Seen through new eyes, the body can regroup around the profundity experienced and have a New Life, creating Healing and Wonder in their Being. Whew 🎉
Sometimes the Trip is a true Journey of Discovery and Revelation. The person then has to deal with the implications of knowing something well beyond his Tribe and Family origin. He/she is recast in an extraordinary adventure of being and becoming ✨ 😅
I can recommend you where I get my stuff from an online store, he's got Shrooms, Gummies, Microdose, Dmt, Lsd, Vape Pens, Carts, Cannabis, alongside other dope Psychedelics stuffs well Refined ships discreetly to anywhere also guide you if you're a newbie;;;....
Good talk but I'm hearing that us poor people who are suffering have zero chance for help and those of us who are more fortunate can sort of pick and choose from destinations all over the world even now for beautiful therapeutic help. It will be that way anyway, but then the black market will provide answers for the poor people who are desperate for any relief from their pain. They're going to find messed up people who don't have a good option just messing themselves up more. We have to ask ourselves at what cost? What is the cost of allowing drug companies the control of our health. You know they will inevitably be in control of the whole thing. That along with insurance companies will probably be the black eye on such a beautiful way to help people.
And poor us, didn't get to hear more from Hamilton 😞. But as someone who has been using psychedelics for more than 50 years, mainly LSD, I agree with Hamilton that there is a difference. A few years ago I started experimenting with psilocybin instead of LSD, mainly Golden Teachers. Having struggled with depression I believe is based in my early childhood in a scary and dysfunctional environment, I started trying microdosing to try to deal with the depression. I felt some improvement after finding my sweet spot, a fairly large microdose of .3g in the Stamet's stack and still am doing it occasionally when I feel the need, no particular set schedule. Of course I eventually started experimenting with larger doses, just to have what I believe most call a light trip, 2g combined with setting my intention and a variety of sound tracks depending on my intention, shamanic beats, music, nature sounds etc.. I stay with the low dosage because I'm doing it alone and worked my way up to what's been a 'safe' dosage so far. I do 'go somewhere' that's pleasant and kind of resets me. I get some great closed eye visuals wearing a sleep mask, beautiful and peaceful. I really feel the need to talk about this with someone, but at my age and in the conservative area where I live now I haven't run across any 70 year old people who I feel I can talk to about this. I try to feel out people who I suspect might be interested by saying I tried smoking weed as a kid but didn't like it. OMG, the looks that gets, lol. But I did talk to one of my sons about it recently after he went to Peru for an Ayahuasca ceremony. When I first brought it up, I told him how helpful the mushrooms have been for me and used the word friendly to describe my relationship with mushrooms. I told him maybe it sounds stupid, but I feel the mushrooms are friendly to me. He replied it's not stupid, it's actually a perfect word to describe my relationship with the mushroom. It was like opening the floodgates because with things out in the open he told me how most of the young adults around here are tripping quite a bit. I was overjoyed to learn that because there's a lot of heroin and meth in this area and I believe that virtually all of them that are tripping are avoiding white powders. I really liked what Professor Yehuda had to say about the necessity of a trip. I strongly believe I could resolve the depression and PTSD that I've struggled with for decades by doing 1-2 macrodose trips, but won't do it unless supervised with a real professional, not some charlatan self proclaimed trip sitter or one of the bogus 'shamans' that are popping up everywhere in S America strictly for the money to be made from those they see as rich Americans who are flocking to S America to try the new 'in thing'. I also agree with whoever said these cattle call Aya and/or mushroom ceremonies are NOT the way to go. So I'll keep on treading water while I wait for more legalized psychedelic therapy that I can afford, probably on the West Coast. The wait is frustrating though when I compare it to how soon Oxy Contin was approved and flooded this area causing so much death and in many cases heroin addiction, now laced with deadly fentanyl. But the Sackler's lobbyists and marketing team said it was a non-addictive wonder drug and that apparently was good enough for the FDA and the doctors.
I can recommend you where I get my stuff from an online store, he's got Shrooms, Gummies, Microdose, Dmt, Lsd, Vape Pens, Carts, Cannabis, alongside other dope Psychedelics stuffs well Refined ships discreetly to anywhere also guide you if you're a newbie;;;....
While I don't seek to question or usurp the authority of the white-coated priesthood, I suggest that these men and women are just like you and I, and they are not required in order for you and I to heal ourselves and reconnect with our grand nature. I also caution against subjugating your own personal power to others, regardless of their supposed authority. This is your life, not theirs.
Exactly. Tripping has been fixing people for tens of thousands of years. And now a kid growing up will think it's something you have to do thru your dr and government lol
It’s not about helping you trip: it’s about using the trip to get to & remember an insight so that the trip is more than just tripping. Many people want & need it to be more than that for permanent change. Not permanently stoned.
Some of us have to wait because of circumstances. Living in a red state where they hand out 10 year prison sentences for possession keeps us waiting for the next step
the only psychedelic you need is psilocybin, and I can see a future where these treatments aren't expensive because both materials and training will become more established and available
The treatments will be expensive. The cost of the material doesn't play a role, but having a psychologist / psychiatrist sit with you for at least 4 hours without pause is expensive as hell. Plus all the pre & post care that should be done.
If the psychedelics are bringing subcounscious things to the forefront I don't think a subperceptual microdose can even be a thing lmao, that's just a low, less intense dose which might have different effects...
They hate that it doesn't involve them. They wanna be a part of your trip because they went to school. Tripping doesn't involve a therapist. That's them wanting their share. Tripping is between you and the universe. I ate 3g of the sacred fungi not long ago and I didn't talk to a therapist first and when it's over I'll go to sleep. Then like every other morning I'll wake up and process and move on. from now on I'll refer to myself as head of the dentrites.
That's great that you find that beneficial. But when considering WORLD WIDE CONSUMPTION. it'll be necessary for certain individuals. Not everyone assumes they're perfectly enlightened like you 😂
@@triple_gem_shining people have been eating mushrooms and enjoying it way longer than the the term "trip sitter" has been around. In fact, when I started tripping in high-school nobody we've mentioned a trip sitter lol. I had friends who would drop acid in the morning at school lol. I have had many many bad trips. It's an anxiety attack. It's no fun but it doesn't kill you. You cannot explore the space fully when you're emotionally and spiritually tethered to another person, especially someone who isn't tripping. You'll spend the whole night thinking about what the other person is feeling and experiencing. It's just not the same. I would recommend having somebody around if it's your first time but they can be tripping too. The last thing I want when I'm tripping is to be in the presence of someone who isn't. And I know it's the same for other people high-school I've asked them
It doesn't make any sense that you could get the benefits of s trip without any psychedelic effects, it just doesn't. The guy obviously doesn't know the difference between hallucinations and illusions. You don't get hallucinations on psychedelics, unless you are taking dosages that would go far beyond therapeutic or even Terence McKenna dosages. Hallucinations are when you can't tell the difference between your perceptions and reality. When using psychedelics you know that you are tripping. Only when we have idiots who have taken the drugs, do we have people who think we can give people life changing experiences, without the experience. It's just absolute stupidity.
I thought this panel was fantastic. Good balance as well. Of course, I always want to hear more from Hamilton. ❤
They talked about the enormous cost, but didn’t think to compare to the total cost of a lifetime of therapy as opposed to a session or two with psychedelics.
Shit. The cost is low for me and my friends. I don't need a professional in the mix
@@sn1000k everyone needs a shaman of sorts. Maybe it's your uncle or friend that's more experienced
@@thedude7726 not at all true; and a third party can easily implant their own agenda into a trip experience.
The classic tryptamines are best taken alone, in the dark, with headphones on & a 12 hour playlist of personally-selected music ready.
Those who don't trip are missing out on an experience every bit as significant as all other human experiences combined.
I often think this, can't believe there's people that live a whole lifetime and never experience a transcendental experience, what a missed opportunity.
Dude in the finance bro shoes on the right was giving so much unmistakable finance bro energy from the second this began that he really didn't even need to say it.
The idea of venture capitalists being associated with psychedelic is absolutely revolting. I know it's inevitable but still, psychedelics are about freeing you mind, capitalists just want to restrain it.
@@apolloforabetterfuture4814 not inevitable to me and mine. We got this
Great panel, embarrassing mod
@@somosknow1 weird how he kept saying "that's really helpful!" Or whatever
Y'all are looking too deep into something that isn't there. Why not just appreciate people's interest and quit judging based on looks or qualities. That's pretty unpsychedelic of you. Hippiecrits
Yes yes yes, the Trip is Everything! The Point, the Reason for using it in a therapeutic way is to €xperience first hand the Confounding, Illuminating, and Profoundly Ontologically Challenging Nature of Reality. When contained to a degree, and not blowing the participants mind too much, it can actually create an an Experiencer Double. That is, an Alternate Personality who knows now that Reality is Magic. Seen through new eyes, the body can regroup around the profundity experienced and have a New Life, creating Healing and Wonder in their Being. Whew 🎉
I really wish a bunch of bot accounts would comment below this.
Sometimes the Trip is a true Journey of Discovery and Revelation. The person then has to deal with the implications of knowing something well beyond his Tribe and Family origin. He/she is recast in an extraordinary adventure of being and becoming ✨ 😅
I can recommend you where I get my stuff from an online store, he's got Shrooms, Gummies, Microdose, Dmt, Lsd, Vape Pens, Carts, Cannabis, alongside other dope Psychedelics stuffs well Refined ships discreetly to anywhere also guide you if you're a newbie;;;....
Mycospread:::::;;;;;;;;
Dr. Leary wrote in his book, High Priest, "Dose them, Dose them."
Good talk but I'm hearing that us poor people who are suffering have zero chance for help and those of us who are more fortunate can sort of pick and choose from destinations all over the world even now for beautiful therapeutic help.
It will be that way anyway, but then the black market will provide answers for the poor people who are desperate for any relief from their pain. They're going to find messed up people who don't have a good option just messing themselves up more.
We have to ask ourselves at what cost? What is the cost of allowing drug companies the control of our health. You know they will inevitably be in control of the whole thing. That along with insurance companies will probably be the black eye on such a beautiful way to help people.
The host sounds like Hamilton Morris with a higher voice
Poor Hamilton lol
Totally
why?
Hamilton didn't get a chance to explain his "i don't know" answer. Dam i really wanted to hear what he had to say. I hope he replies to this comment.
And poor us, didn't get to hear more from Hamilton 😞. But as someone who has been using psychedelics for more than 50 years, mainly LSD, I agree with Hamilton that there is a difference. A few years ago I started experimenting with psilocybin instead of LSD, mainly Golden Teachers. Having struggled with depression I believe is based in my early childhood in a scary and dysfunctional environment, I started trying microdosing to try to deal with the depression. I felt some improvement after finding my sweet spot, a fairly large microdose of .3g in the Stamet's stack and still am doing it occasionally when I feel the need, no particular set schedule. Of course I eventually started experimenting with larger doses, just to have what I believe most call a light trip, 2g combined with setting my intention and a variety of sound tracks depending on my intention, shamanic beats, music, nature sounds etc.. I stay with the low dosage because I'm doing it alone and worked my way up to what's been a 'safe' dosage so far. I do 'go somewhere' that's pleasant and kind of resets me. I get some great closed eye visuals wearing a sleep mask, beautiful and peaceful.
I really feel the need to talk about this with someone, but at my age and in the conservative area where I live now I haven't run across any 70 year old people who I feel I can talk to about this. I try to feel out people who I suspect might be interested by saying I tried smoking weed as a kid but didn't like it. OMG, the looks that gets, lol. But I did talk to one of my sons about it recently after he went to Peru for an Ayahuasca ceremony. When I first brought it up, I told him how helpful the mushrooms have been for me and used the word friendly to describe my relationship with mushrooms. I told him maybe it sounds stupid, but I feel the mushrooms are friendly to me. He replied it's not stupid, it's actually a perfect word to describe my relationship with the mushroom. It was like opening the floodgates because with things out in the open he told me how most of the young adults around here are tripping quite a bit. I was overjoyed to learn that because there's a lot of heroin and meth in this area and I believe that virtually all of them that are tripping are avoiding white powders.
I really liked what Professor Yehuda had to say about the necessity of a trip. I strongly believe I could resolve the depression and PTSD that I've struggled with for decades by doing 1-2 macrodose trips, but won't do it unless supervised with a real professional, not some charlatan self proclaimed trip sitter or one of the bogus 'shamans' that are popping up everywhere in S America strictly for the money to be made from those they see as rich Americans who are flocking to S America to try the new 'in thing'. I also agree with whoever said these cattle call Aya and/or mushroom ceremonies are NOT the way to go. So I'll keep on treading water while I wait for more legalized psychedelic therapy that I can afford, probably on the West Coast. The wait is frustrating though when I compare it to how soon Oxy Contin was approved and flooded this area causing so much death and in many cases heroin addiction, now laced with deadly fentanyl. But the Sackler's lobbyists and marketing team said it was a non-addictive wonder drug and that apparently was good enough for the FDA and the doctors.
@@omcincy7622 that’s what I was thinking too :)
for cluster headaches no, for every thing else yes
I can recommend you where I get my stuff from an online store, he's got Shrooms, Gummies, Microdose, Dmt, Lsd, Vape Pens, Carts, Cannabis, alongside other dope Psychedelics stuffs well Refined ships discreetly to anywhere also guide you if you're a newbie;;;....
While I don't seek to question or usurp the authority of the white-coated priesthood, I suggest that these men and women are just like you and I, and they are not required in order for you and I to heal ourselves and reconnect with our grand nature.
I also caution against subjugating your own personal power to others, regardless of their supposed authority. This is your life, not theirs.
Is government throwing bots in talks about dmt and stuff???
Report them ;)
Hell yeah smoke crack
Of course the wolves are watching
👏👏👏👏👏
I never needed a doctor to help me trip.
That just seems like an unnecessary expense.
Get yourself some shrooms and enjoy the ride.
Me either
Exactly. Tripping has been fixing people for tens of thousands of years. And now a kid growing up will think it's something you have to do thru your dr and government lol
It’s not about helping you trip: it’s about using the trip to get to & remember an insight so that the trip is more than just tripping. Many people want & need it to be more than that for permanent change. Not permanently stoned.
@@christopherhamilton3621 If you need a doctor for that you've missed the point.
Some of us have to wait because of circumstances. Living in a red state where they hand out 10 year prison sentences for possession keeps us waiting for the next step
the only psychedelic you need is psilocybin, and I can see a future where these treatments aren't expensive because both materials and training will become more established and available
Disagree, the more the merrier
Cmon LSD is great fun. Might not "need" it but I appreciate it
The treatments will be expensive. The cost of the material doesn't play a role, but having a psychologist / psychiatrist sit with you for at least 4 hours without pause is expensive as hell.
Plus all the pre & post care that should be done.
Sure but tell that to a shaman who has been practicing with ayahuasca or mescaline their whole lives
7:20
Huh? ... Penn Gillette on a psychedelic research panel? heh heh ;-)
If the psychedelics are bringing subcounscious things to the forefront I don't think a subperceptual microdose can even be a thing lmao, that's just a low, less intense dose which might have different effects...
They hate that it doesn't involve them. They wanna be a part of your trip because they went to school.
Tripping doesn't involve a therapist. That's them wanting their share. Tripping is between you and the universe.
I ate 3g of the sacred fungi not long ago and I didn't talk to a therapist first and when it's over I'll go to sleep. Then like every other morning I'll wake up and process and move on.
from now on I'll refer to myself as head of the dentrites.
@Ynabenzema nah man he sold me some fake shit. Terrible terrible guy. And shitty products.
That's great that you find that beneficial. But when considering WORLD WIDE CONSUMPTION. it'll be necessary for certain individuals. Not everyone assumes they're perfectly enlightened like you 😂
@@triple_gem_shining people have been eating mushrooms and enjoying it way longer than the the term "trip sitter" has been around. In fact, when I started tripping in high-school nobody we've mentioned a trip sitter lol. I had friends who would drop acid in the morning at school lol. I have had many many bad trips. It's an anxiety attack. It's no fun but it doesn't kill you. You cannot explore the space fully when you're emotionally and spiritually tethered to another person, especially someone who isn't tripping. You'll spend the whole night thinking about what the other person is feeling and experiencing. It's just not the same. I would recommend having somebody around if it's your first time but they can be tripping too.
The last thing I want when I'm tripping is to be in the presence of someone who isn't. And I know it's the same for other people high-school I've asked them
@@triple_gem_shining you're good at being a smart ass I'll give you that but I suspect you don't know much about tripping
lol affordability? lmfao talk to your local dealer.
It doesn't make any sense that you could get the benefits of s trip without any psychedelic effects, it just doesn't. The guy obviously doesn't know the difference between hallucinations and illusions. You don't get hallucinations on psychedelics, unless you are taking dosages that would go far beyond therapeutic or even Terence McKenna dosages. Hallucinations are when you can't tell the difference between your perceptions and reality. When using psychedelics you know that you are tripping. Only when we have idiots who have taken the drugs, do we have people who think we can give people life changing experiences, without the experience. It's just absolute stupidity.
You can definitely get to a place where you are not aware you are on drugs or tripping