Great, honest and fun review. Always click on 'watch' the second I see one of your videos are up - something I can't say about almost any other channel! Keep up the great work!!
For the money, especially if you get in on the pre-order special, it can't be beat for fit and finish. I have this watch and the lume is insane and that's a good thing. Now as far as bezel action, I find it a little stiff but satisfying. The clicks do what it's suppose to do and lock the bezel to align the minute track to the bezel markings. Mine does that in spades, with NO play at all. As dive watches go you can't ask for more. If you want a smoother, better bezel action you'll have to go up to a much higher price point. My only issue is with the bezel edge. I don't think it's aggressive enough. I find it can slip as I'm turning the bezel but honestly I'm not going diving with this watch and so not really an issue.
Yeah, I’m definitely not going diving any time soon! And at the preorder price, it’s hard to fault them, I agree there. Maybe these later iterations have bucked the trend somewhat, but on the secondary market, Zelos would be well above that, and I think that’s where they lose all their value. Nonetheless, glad you enjoy yours!
The quality controll issues seem to be a real thing , but tend to get excused by the good service. Elshan did the same for my watch. I had a millimeter of lume missing from the bezel insert and got a complete replacement with free express shipping. Got the replacement watch within three days and it got shipped over the weekend. Truely service like no other brand out there. I'm waiting for the new Le joux perret version of the SF40 , it should be releasing somewhere in the end of this year!
That is BRILLIANT service! Wow, that sounds very interesting indeed. These Horizons models seem to be getting fantastic reviews, so it'll be interesting to see where they go with the SF.
I've got one Zelos, the 42mm titanium frost Swordfish. I've had some reasonably minor issues with mine (spring bars, endlinks not fitting unless swapped to the other side, bezel spring broke) and Elshan took care of them for me. But, one thing I've definitely noticed - any company that's biggest reputation point is great customer service, they've earned that reputation by needing to do a lot of customer service. It's good that they handle it well, and Elshan definitively does. But it's not good that they have to do it so often.
I do believe your expectations do not line up with the asking price. I am not a flipper. I may have a couple of dozen watches in my collection but I’ve been collecting since 1969 so maybe not such a huge number. I’ve yet to pay over 1K for a piece except my Dad’s 2 hand Omega dress watch and Great Grand Uncle’s pocket watch. I got my very 1st Zelos a couple of months ago. Blue dial meteorite dial, 300 M dive with a Miyota 9075 jump hour GMT. My 1st 48 click bi-directional bezel. It is gorgeous, was the most expensive of the 4 V of MAKO lll GMT @$629.00. Hope you are over your old problems (saw this vid was 2 yo) and give them another try. Fine vid btw, thanks!
U only use the bezel if your sat diving, and I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say 99.99% of people that buy a dive watch don’t even own a snorkel
Totally with you on this. Living in Brisbane I have short dived in the past. Trust Seiko Prospex all the way bought an SPB143j and thrash it. Getting the SPB207j in a month. Note the "J" on the model is a must for QC. You'll always smile with a Seiko on your dial. Hooroo from 32c sunny Brisbane. :)
Incorrect…saturation diving is a whole different level of diving. Before dive computers bezels were critical for recreational diving. Saturation diving would certainly not be the modality to employ bezel use.
You might find that click eases up after a bit of use. I have a feeling the spring inside the bezel is just punch metal. Once the sharp edge wears down it should click easier. I've had a similar experience with NH35 based micro brands and usually just cranking it around helps. A drop of "dry" bike chain oil under the bezel might help a bit too? The dry stuff so it is not a dirt magnet.
I like this review.. well done. I just got a titanium Damascus one in for review.. been peaking to see what ppls thoughts were on the swordfish. I ended buying my own because of how well it fit me. I went with the titanium blood moon red Meteorite Dial. I think I thought 💭 the same at 1st… boooooo an NH35 movement.. really? But when I thought longer the Nh35 movement is great because it’s easy to service or replace… and it’s bullet proof in reliability so why not … let’s just say it didn’t deter me enough not to buy one. We’ll see if it sticks around.
Great review! I love my Zelos but I have to admit that I’ve had to have 2 of them replaced. One had a binding crown and a clasp that wouldn’t secure correctly. The other hand an issue with the movement which I really can’t put on them. Both times Elshan responded personally and immediately to make it right so I’m still a fanboy.
Thanks very much! I think when there's exceptional customer service, it can be forgiven. Not ignored, but forgiven, and Elshan is very attentive and doesn't hesitate when it comes to sorting out any issues. Here's hoping something else comes up in the future that wins me back round!
I'm late to the party but you're not the exception. Of the 3 Zelos I have experienced, two had broken clasps and my Nova is so sharp between the lugs it destroys any strap you put on it in seconds. Won't buy another one for a long while but I am rooting for them. I hope their QC will improve but videos like this do not give me hope.
Don't you love how people's first response to finding an issue with a product is to jump onto social media and have a winge rather than contact the company to resolve?
I've only had mine for just over a week, but I didn't experience anything odd about the bezel movement, or anything else. I think it's a beautiful watch in a bronze case, and I love it. Sorry to hear you had issues with yours.
I’m glad you’ve found a piece you love! Honestly, I thought my experience might be just that - mine alone. Luckily the customer service is second to none, and if one ever does have issues, they’ll be sorted no questions asked.
@@rubencatalan9794 Still no issues. It's only fair to point out that I have many watches, and will wear this one maybe once or twice a month. It's always a treat when I do though.
Zelo value is through the fcking roof. The swordfish TI emerald green is already on eBay for 40% more than it's value and it is NOT yet sold out (WTF?!) and there are 5 of the new Black tips left. So as someone who love buying watches instead of stocks now, I absolutely lost my mind when I saw those numbers. But thanks for the head up!
Excellent review and I'm loving your humour!! I really do like these sort of videos that gives a user's experience of a product - which is often a combination of good and not so good. Zelos has been on my radar for a long time, their watches seem to have good specifications, look great and are well priced. But I've never bought one - I think like you have pointed out they do sell out quick, so most of the popular models have sold before you get a chance! Also despite all of the green lights to buy I just don't seem to like any one of their watches enough to actually buy! Having said that, most people that do own a Zelos really do speak very highly of the brand and their watches.
Thanks so much, mate! I really appreciate that. Zelos have a great brand identity, something which I think a lot of micro brands struggle to attain without going really out there with their design language. I’d try one out and see if it’s for you, but like I say, I wouldn’t go over retail. The Swordfish model offers good value at the retail price, but not above! 🤟 Again, there will be those who disagree and that’s fair enough.
I suspect them being always sold out is part of the business plan. They tier their price and sell most them to 'affliated' eBay flippers to get more $ vs advertised pre order price and fool people into thinking they are high demand so people pay more.
@@cy4624 yes that makes sense - that’s a clever business plan for sure. That and I suspect a fairly good quality product is making Zelos a popular microbrand.
@@cy4624 yes this is kinda true just browsing ebay a while ago and theres a ton of zelos watches on re-sale. Funny thing is there are more brand new stuff than pre-owned.
Just ordered a 2nd Zelos on launch discount. The first one was a Hammerhead and that one is well built. Let's see what my second Zelos brings to the table. I am excited as its a Forged Carbon SF titanium 40mm. My 1st Forged carbon watch but let's the bezel is not too tight to turn. Good vid 👌. Just subbed u.
Yep, not the best bezel action. Still, it gets more wrist time than my perfect Grand Seiko watches. Its just a great fun design. (I have the teal dial bronze Swordfish - amazing design).
Asking a random stranger for advice since you seem to know watches. I'm looking into buying my first watch, and my budget is no higher than €500. Should I go the safe and standard Seiko route, look into some of the entry level Swiss options like Steinhart, or consider a micro brand like Zelos? It will likely be my only watch for a while, and I would want to hold on to it for a very long time since it'll be my first. Thanks!
Great video mate n honestly, every watch owner is entitled to their rants. 😁 Seems you're not alone in your watch QC issues. I was looking at a Zelos previously but now I might have to hold back a little, in spite of their reputation for good recovery service n great quality for their watches. In spite of the Zelos here, I think one thing is clear... Great watches are getting cheaper n cheap watches are getting better. 😁
Thanks for the kind words, mate! 🙏 I actually think despite this video, I've probably had enough time now to give them another try. I don't know when or what model, etc. but maybe just to see if I get better luck and have a better experience!
@@LumePip Indeed. The fact that these Microbrands actually listen n respond faster sometimes is more reassuring... Let's hope for a new watch trend, where we can introduce great watches to the younger generation... Before they got caught up... By Apple.
Odd review and even a more odd conclusion. You're not convincing either way as you like the watch for 90% of the video except for the bezel action but you conclude that you won’t buy another one? You aren’t making sense.
I think the fact I'd had two watches that both had QC issues said a lot to me about the brand - as it would if I were any other paying customer (which I was/am btw. I bought this watch with my own money.) It left a sour taste as it's such a beloved brand with a really big community behind it. I probably didn't express that well enough or communicate that. Ach, every day's a school day. Next time I review a Zelos (and I do hope to get one at some point again), it'll be better, as will my communication.
Maybe you should try a different model... your only experience is with the Swordfish... Some of your issues with the watch could maybe be removed with the Mako
Nice intro statement about rolex and zelos, also one thing I found in common with them are that both the founders are first and foremost “businessmen.”
I think there are a little more than 2 watch brands that are guaranteed to appreciate outside of Rolex and Zelos. Rolex of course but Zelos I don’t think so and even if they do I don’t believe they belong on that list over some other watch brands. And I own a Zelos I want them to appreciate my friend!
Yeah, that was probably somewhat hyperbolic on my end, but there are certainly a lot of chancers out there looking to cash in on their limited availability!
What? That's it? The bazel is kinda cluncky and the top seems a bit big in relation to the watch. If these are all your complaints then these truly are great watches, specially at this price point.
I have a great white v2 frost. With a very inconsistent bezel. One day it’s smooth. Another day it’s stiff AF. I’m thinking the same. Might sell it and go for rze soon
I've tried an RZE and it was fantastic for the money. Really cool designs too. I would still probably try another Zelos... After over a year of cooling down, I reckon I would try a second hand one one day.
I disagree (except for the sound of the rotative bezel). I've got three swordfishes... It's the entry in the Zelos universe, the first price. I'd sold them after wearing a lot, and with pleasure... Zelos is really original and qualitative. I wear a zelos Horizons teal since two years, and t's my favorite in a 50 watches' collection (lot of seiko, and also squale, steinhart, Tissot...)
Hey, that's great to hear though. I'm definitely aware people love the brand, and on the customer service side, I can't fault it. I think I'd even give the watches another go at some point to see - as I supect it was - if it was just bad luck! And the Horizons is a really cool design, so nice choice 👍
I know zelos have a big fan base, but personally I just don't get it, they just look like cheap watches to me..I have no problem with micro brands, but I really don't get the hype with this one.
I think a lot of people like that it’s a brand doing unique designs, but they can be divisive too. For me, the Blacktip looks just…horrible. But for some it’ll be right up their street. Some have said the more premium Zelos models are worth the higher price. Not sure I’ll take the gamble, though.
I think the Swordfish 40 is pretty spectacular. I have a salmon dial that I didn't buy from Zelos, but I bought it from the purchaser with all the stickers still attached and no wear for the retail price. I thought that was a decent deal. I have had good experience with Zelos for customer service on others, and I briefly had a Hammerhead that was just too heavy, but spectacular in every other way. I do not think my Seikos, Zodiac, Oris, or Omegas are substantially better, apart from the movements, and not always there either.
Salmon dials are all the rage at the moment, eh?! Glad you’ve had good experiences with yours, mate, and I’m sure my experience isn’t across the board. The Hammerheads look like tanks, to be fair! I think they’d take one look at my arm and find a more suitable taker!
I agree with you in so many ways. These watches are build like paperweights…..all of them. That’s my opinion and not a dig. If you like that look in a watch, more power to you.
I own three Zelos, the Swordfish 40 being of them. For £300 it's hard to find better, although RLG probably are. Step up to the Blacktip and you get a far better watch.
Finally, i can agree with someone about Zelos. I owned a Zelos but i think that aren’t as fantastic as they are portrayed to be. Worst still, the fanboys seem to be everywhere.
I get the glow in the dark stuff. I have an old Timex Reef Gear Chronograph with Indiglo and I adored it when I could use the Indiglo function, sadly it stopped working and as best I know you can't repair an indiglo fault, but if I could find one in working condition online again I would buy it in an instant. Just for the blue lit face.
Ah, man, the Indiglo thing must’ve been so incredible tech-wise when it first came out. Sounds like looking for a needle in a haystack - looks like an absolute little tank of a watch, though, I must say! Fingers crossed you come across one, mate
Thank you for posting this video. I recently ordered an Abyss 3 in bronze and had QC issues as well. The first one sent to me had bad bezel alignment. They sent another one that had better alignment (still a little off.) I was okay with that until I inspected it further. There were smudges on the 11:00 and 12:00 indicators. The indicators on the left side of the dial were raised up and on the right side were laying flat. I was not willing to give Zelos another chance and will not buy from them again. Now that I'm paying attention to their bezels I see most do not line up. It seems like the newer ones are worse. I'm not sure how companies are okay with this.
The bezel action is perfectly fine and its feel is subjective, personally not for me either. Keep in mind, you literally went for the cheapest model so you get what you pay for. Those are reasons why I don't go for the SF. Try higher end models, don't judge Zelos based off their most basic bitch model. E.g. the Blacktip has one of the best bezels under 4k, period.
Yeah, that’s fair enough, mate. I think the Swordfish line is also the one most gravitate to design-wise though, and it’s just a nicely sized dive watch that most will go for because it’s a design that’s bold, coherent and unique. I think if I was paying more, I’d opt for another brand, but that’s just my personal preference. 👍👍
I’ve five zelos watches and none have an QC issues. However I have heard of a few issues with Ti bezel action. I’m not a ti fan so haven’t experienced it. Is it a titanium issue? I haven’t had any issues with zelos SS or bronze bezels.
That's a good question, Glynn. I am hoping to try out more Zelos in future to see if I can fall in love with them in the same way others definitely have!
That sucks to hear! Did you manage to get them replaced or repaired? As I’m sure Zelos would be happy to resolve any issues. But that’s very unfortunate.
@@LumePip yes, I got refunded and now 3 are back for repairs! He solves all problems but it’s unnecessary, more focus on quality will solve many to my opinion
My experience with zelos is pretty bad. The qc isn't good, bezel spring broke and the bezel ring was impossible to remove i ended up bending it, it was so tight. Wont buy another zelos. Glycine, certina, Seiko, orient, Christopher ward, helm are much better value imo and u dont need to deal with customs every time. Just my 2 cents.
I’m always blown away by Christopher Ward - that sounds terrible written down! But anyway, their Trident Pro watches are excellent value for money. I’ve had 2 and loved them both. I’m always looking out for those in their sales!
I really like the look of that model with the teal dial. I missed out on it unfortunately, and there are a fewer different watches that would come before it. Great recommendation though - it looks like a very nice piece! 👍👍👍
@@ocb05 I think it’d have to be the teal one, or blue, however they label it, but it’s a stunner. I love the effect on the dial, the way it ripples - just stunning 😎
For me, if this had harness coating, I'd probably be all over it. Uncoated Titanium is a no-go.... It's like mineral glass. I'm going to scratch it badly.... And so easily. This is a really attractive dial though ...
I consider Helm Watches and Zelos Watches to have a similar build quality. I owned both and sold both of them eventually. The Komodo is such a nice and well made watch. But the proportions were just weird.
Enjoyed your review and turn of phrase 😀. I’ve had two Zelos watches, the Swordfish 40 bronze and HH3 both teal dial, but sold both. I felt the Swordfish was a tad on the small side and decided I’d rather have the Seiko ‘dark manta’ samurai than the Hammerhead. Like you I’ve tried to like them but haven’t found the perfect Z for me (yet). I do know what you mean about the bezel, although mine weren’t as bad as yours. Just a bit different!
Thanks, Graham! Wow, two ends of the spectrum size-wise. And I had the Dark Manta Samurai and loved it, but sold it - I massively regret that. It's a stunning watch. I had the Hexam bracelet from Strapcode and it was honestly incredible. I'd like the 8-day pilot thingy (can't remember the name now)...HORIZONS! Yeah, one of those, but not got that sort of dough for a Zelos atm.
@@LumePip lol, talk about coincidence! My Strapcode Hexad bracelet just arrived today and I’ve put it on the dark manta. It transforms it into something really special!
So out of nearly 6 minutes of this video, you spent 4 minutes praising Zelos, Elshan, the quality of the watch, the customer service, and the lume. Your main issue is, if I understand, is the bezel feel? Its too "clicky" for you? That's your issue? And it doesn't fit your wrist "quite right"? And for this you're never buying a Zelos again? Seriously? Well, for me, that's fine.......one less person to compete against. More Zelos for me. I've lost count as to how many Zelos I've owned since discovering the company, counting both owned currently and owned then sold. Uniformly I can tell everyone and anyone of the excellent quality, fit, finish, lume, customer service, quality control, design.....all of it. And I personally know other collectors with many "high end" watches who routinely buy Zelos and are very impressed with them. You of course are entitled to your POV, and I will fight to the death for your right to express it. But I think you're cheating yourself out of some of the finest watches out there, micro brand or not. But you do you sir. I respect your opinions on this matter....I just happen to strongly disagree with them. But good luck on the never-ending watch hunt.
Just in general, paying over retail makes zero sense for anything in life. there are other options. people make bad decisions with their money. but then dont complain about the cost of things. people who drive a 100K BMW should not complain about the cost of Gas.
Overhyped. Limited by design with small releases and regularly changing varieties to keep people collecting. Its a watch brand for collectors of 'limited things' rather than 'value driven purchases'.
I have numerous dive watches from brands such as Aquatico, Oceaneva, Heimdallr, Pagani Design, Pablo (Profundo), Invicta (!), BLWRX and many more I can't remember. None have had qc issues. Zelos needs to get their act together!
Zelos does not appreciate. Lol..They make limited quantities with tiered pricing strategy. Ebay flippers buy them all up at pre order price and sell them at higher end of the tiered price, creating the illusion the value went up(when the pre order price was the real price all along)., I suspect maybe a part of their business plan to create perception of demand and value.. One thing I do respect about them vs 1000's of crap micros is at least they are not rebages of alibaba watches, blantant homages or freinkenhomages 99%micro are. However, they do the flavor of the month lumed Ceramic bezel/dial gimmick like every micro.
People who spends thousands upon thousands dollars on boxes full of Zelos are just bonkers! I'm sorry if you are reading this while wiping the finger prints off your Zelos. You are a certified proper nut, now with more flavour after roasting.
I think if I was spending a lot of money, I’d rather one excellent watch, be it from a brand like Breitling, Omega, Tudor, as opposed to several Zelos, but others have different experiences - maybe mine’s unique!
@@LumePip You've been too harsh on the brand. The reason why people have boxes full of Zelos is because they are freakin good watches for a relatively low price and a great customer service. Also, one of the few brands in the whole world ( yes I'm also considering big established brands) that actually has ORIGINAL designs. Moreover, they innovate in terms of materials. A slightly misaligned or too hard to click bezel dont justify all the hate I'm reading on this page! Zelos is GREAT
Don't be sorry for those who bought Zelos, sorry for yourself who made such harsh remark for no valid reason. Pls go buy the most expensive PP and AP etc and leave the micro brand enthusiasts alone.
I think that the Zelos logo is very very cheap looking, one of the main reasons I won't buy a watch from them. Besides that, I personally can't understand why people like their designs. For me their are rough and childish with 0 finesse.
Glow in the dark is still a thing at 45 years old, mate.
Great, honest and fun review. Always click on 'watch' the second I see one of your videos are up - something I can't say about almost any other channel! Keep up the great work!!
Thanks so much, Dave! I always appreciate your support and am so glad you're enjoying the videos - here's hoping for many more to come :D
Your mom’s got me a Zelos on a leather strap, and that was so sweet of her.
For the money, especially if you get in on the pre-order special, it can't be beat for fit and finish. I have this watch and the lume is insane and that's a good thing. Now as far as bezel action, I find it a little stiff but satisfying. The clicks do what it's suppose to do and lock the bezel to align the minute track to the bezel markings. Mine does that in spades, with NO play at all. As dive watches go you can't ask for more. If you want a smoother, better bezel action you'll have to go up to a much higher price point. My only issue is with the bezel edge. I don't think it's aggressive enough. I find it can slip as I'm turning the bezel but honestly I'm not going diving with this watch and so not really an issue.
Yeah, I’m definitely not going diving any time soon! And at the preorder price, it’s hard to fault them, I agree there. Maybe these later iterations have bucked the trend somewhat, but on the secondary market, Zelos would be well above that, and I think that’s where they lose all their value. Nonetheless, glad you enjoy yours!
The quality controll issues seem to be a real thing , but tend to get excused by the good service. Elshan did the same for my watch. I had a millimeter of lume missing from the bezel insert and got a complete replacement with free express shipping. Got the replacement watch within three days and it got shipped over the weekend. Truely service like no other brand out there. I'm waiting for the new Le joux perret version of the SF40 , it should be releasing somewhere in the end of this year!
That is BRILLIANT service! Wow, that sounds very interesting indeed. These Horizons models seem to be getting fantastic reviews, so it'll be interesting to see where they go with the SF.
@@LumePip yeah very interesting. There is also a le joux perret powered driverswatch/chronograph coming up this year. Will be expensive I'm afraid 😂😭
I've got one Zelos, the 42mm titanium frost Swordfish. I've had some reasonably minor issues with mine (spring bars, endlinks not fitting unless swapped to the other side, bezel spring broke) and Elshan took care of them for me. But, one thing I've definitely noticed - any company that's biggest reputation point is great customer service, they've earned that reputation by needing to do a lot of customer service. It's good that they handle it well, and Elshan definitively does. But it's not good that they have to do it so often.
I do believe your expectations do not line up with the asking price. I am not a flipper. I may have a couple of dozen watches in my collection but I’ve been collecting since 1969 so maybe not such a huge number. I’ve yet to pay over 1K for a piece except my Dad’s 2 hand Omega dress watch and Great Grand Uncle’s pocket watch. I got my very 1st Zelos a couple of months ago. Blue dial meteorite dial, 300 M dive with a Miyota 9075 jump hour GMT. My 1st 48 click bi-directional bezel. It is gorgeous, was the most expensive of the 4 V of MAKO lll GMT @$629.00.
Hope you are over your old problems (saw this vid was 2 yo) and give them another try. Fine vid btw, thanks!
U only use the bezel if your sat diving, and I’m going to go out on a limb here, and say 99.99% of people that buy a dive watch don’t even own a snorkel
Totally with you on this. Living in Brisbane I have short dived in the past. Trust Seiko Prospex all the way bought an SPB143j and thrash it. Getting the SPB207j in a month. Note the "J" on the model is a must for QC. You'll always smile with a Seiko on your dial. Hooroo from 32c sunny Brisbane. :)
I don't dive but I use the timing bezel on my dive watch all the time - cooking pasta, how long things have been in the oven etc. etc.
Incorrect…saturation diving is a whole different level of diving. Before dive computers bezels were critical for recreational diving. Saturation diving would certainly not be the modality to employ bezel use.
You might find that click eases up after a bit of use. I have a feeling the spring inside the bezel is just punch metal. Once the sharp edge wears down it should click easier. I've had a similar experience with NH35 based micro brands and usually just cranking it around helps. A drop of "dry" bike chain oil under the bezel might help a bit too? The dry stuff so it is not a dirt magnet.
I like this review.. well done. I just got a titanium Damascus one in for review.. been peaking to see what ppls thoughts were on the swordfish.
I ended buying my own because of how well it fit me. I went with the titanium blood moon red Meteorite Dial.
I think I thought 💭 the same at 1st… boooooo an NH35 movement.. really? But when I thought longer the Nh35 movement is great because it’s easy to service or replace… and it’s bullet proof in reliability so why not … let’s just say it didn’t deter me enough not to buy one. We’ll see if it sticks around.
I just ordered the titanium Blacktip Frost with the miyota 9015. I'm excited for it to get here. Great review 👏🏽
Great review! I love my Zelos but I have to admit that I’ve had to have 2 of them replaced. One had a binding crown and a clasp that wouldn’t secure correctly. The other hand an issue with the movement which I really can’t put on them. Both times Elshan responded personally and immediately to make it right so I’m still a fanboy.
Thanks very much! I think when there's exceptional customer service, it can be forgiven. Not ignored, but forgiven, and Elshan is very attentive and doesn't hesitate when it comes to sorting out any issues. Here's hoping something else comes up in the future that wins me back round!
I'm late to the party but you're not the exception. Of the 3 Zelos I have experienced, two had broken clasps and my Nova is so sharp between the lugs it destroys any strap you put on it in seconds. Won't buy another one for a long while but I am rooting for them. I hope their QC will improve but videos like this do not give me hope.
Don't you love how people's first response to finding an issue with a product is to jump onto social media and have a winge rather than contact the company to resolve?
I've only had mine for just over a week, but I didn't experience anything odd about the bezel movement, or anything else. I think it's a beautiful watch in a bronze case, and I love it.
Sorry to hear you had issues with yours.
I’m glad you’ve found a piece you love! Honestly, I thought my experience might be just that - mine alone. Luckily the customer service is second to none, and if one ever does have issues, they’ll be sorted no questions asked.
@@LumePip Your description of the customer service really impressed me!
I've very eager to see what my patina on this bronze case turns out to be.
@@mdunawaym oi mate I know this an old comment but hows that watch treated you?
@@rubencatalan9794 Still no issues. It's only fair to point out that I have many watches, and will wear this one maybe once or twice a month. It's always a treat when I do though.
You’re kidding! Right?
Loved everything…but the bezel action being stiff/definitive (- not sloppy).
Zelo value is through the fcking roof. The swordfish TI emerald green is already on eBay for 40% more than it's value and it is NOT yet sold out (WTF?!) and there are 5 of the new Black tips left. So as someone who love buying watches instead of stocks now, I absolutely lost my mind when I saw those numbers. But thanks for the head up!
Excellent review and I'm loving your humour!! I really do like these sort of videos that gives a user's experience of a product - which is often a combination of good and not so good.
Zelos has been on my radar for a long time, their watches seem to have good specifications, look great and are well priced. But I've never bought one - I think like you have pointed out they do sell out quick, so most of the popular models have sold before you get a chance! Also despite all of the green lights to buy I just don't seem to like any one of their watches enough to actually buy! Having said that, most people that do own a Zelos really do speak very highly of the brand and their watches.
Thanks so much, mate! I really appreciate that. Zelos have a great brand identity, something which I think a lot of micro brands struggle to attain without going really out there with their design language. I’d try one out and see if it’s for you, but like I say, I wouldn’t go over retail. The Swordfish model offers good value at the retail price, but not above! 🤟 Again, there will be those who disagree and that’s fair enough.
I suspect them being always sold out is part of the business plan. They tier their price and sell most them to 'affliated' eBay flippers to get more $ vs advertised pre order price and fool people into thinking they are high demand so people pay more.
@@cy4624 yes that makes sense - that’s a clever business plan for sure. That and I suspect a fairly good quality product is making Zelos a popular microbrand.
@@cy4624 yes this is kinda true just browsing ebay a while ago and theres a ton of zelos watches on re-sale. Funny thing is there are more brand new stuff than pre-owned.
Just ordered a 2nd Zelos on launch discount. The first one was a Hammerhead and that one is well built. Let's see what my second Zelos brings to the table. I am excited as its a Forged Carbon SF titanium 40mm. My 1st Forged carbon watch but let's the bezel is not too tight to turn. Good vid 👌. Just subbed u.
Yep, not the best bezel action. Still, it gets more wrist time than my perfect Grand Seiko watches. Its just a great fun design. (I have the teal dial bronze Swordfish - amazing design).
Asking a random stranger for advice since you seem to know watches. I'm looking into buying my first watch, and my budget is no higher than €500. Should I go the safe and standard Seiko route, look into some of the entry level Swiss options like Steinhart, or consider a micro brand like Zelos? It will likely be my only watch for a while, and I would want to hold on to it for a very long time since it'll be my first. Thanks!
@@REDnBLACKnRED I'd probably still go with Zelos, Seikos below 500 would be pretty bland
I own four watches from Zelos, and I have not experinced any QC issues. I look forward to purchasing their new field watch (The Aurora) :-)
Great video mate n honestly, every watch owner is entitled to their rants. 😁
Seems you're not alone in your watch QC issues. I was looking at a Zelos previously but now I might have to hold back a little, in spite of their reputation for good recovery service n great quality for their watches.
In spite of the Zelos here, I think one thing is clear...
Great watches are getting cheaper n cheap watches are getting better. 😁
Thanks for the kind words, mate! 🙏 I actually think despite this video, I've probably had enough time now to give them another try. I don't know when or what model, etc. but maybe just to see if I get better luck and have a better experience!
@@LumePip Indeed. The fact that these Microbrands actually listen n respond faster sometimes is more reassuring...
Let's hope for a new watch trend, where we can introduce great watches to the younger generation...
Before they got caught up... By Apple.
Odd review and even a more odd conclusion. You're not convincing either way as you like the watch for 90% of the video except for the bezel action but you conclude that you won’t buy another one? You aren’t making sense.
I think the fact I'd had two watches that both had QC issues said a lot to me about the brand - as it would if I were any other paying customer (which I was/am btw. I bought this watch with my own money.) It left a sour taste as it's such a beloved brand with a really big community behind it. I probably didn't express that well enough or communicate that. Ach, every day's a school day. Next time I review a Zelos (and I do hope to get one at some point again), it'll be better, as will my communication.
Maybe you should try a different model... your only experience is with the Swordfish... Some of your issues with the watch could maybe be removed with the Mako
Interesting video on Zelos. The quality issues are disturbing. Also, they should be using better movements than NH-35s. Not worth the money.
I think Miyota 9015 would be a welcome step up for future iterations.
A 9 series movement would increase the price and then people would complain about the price. The NH is a good movement, just a bit too thick imo
Nice intro statement about rolex and zelos, also one thing I found in common with them are that both the founders are first and foremost “businessmen.”
I think there are a little more than 2 watch brands that are guaranteed to appreciate outside of Rolex and Zelos. Rolex of course but Zelos I don’t think so and even if they do I don’t believe they belong on that list over some other watch brands. And I own a Zelos I want them to appreciate my friend!
Yeah, that was probably somewhat hyperbolic on my end, but there are certainly a lot of chancers out there looking to cash in on their limited availability!
What? That's it? The bazel is kinda cluncky and the top seems a bit big in relation to the watch. If these are all your complaints then these truly are great watches, specially at this price point.
I have a great white v2 frost. With a very inconsistent bezel. One day it’s smooth. Another day it’s stiff AF.
I’m thinking the same. Might sell it and go for rze soon
I've tried an RZE and it was fantastic for the money. Really cool designs too. I would still probably try another Zelos... After over a year of cooling down, I reckon I would try a second hand one one day.
I disagree (except for the sound of the rotative bezel).
I've got three swordfishes... It's the entry in the Zelos universe, the first price. I'd sold them after wearing a lot, and with pleasure... Zelos is really original and qualitative. I wear a zelos Horizons teal since two years, and t's my favorite in a 50 watches' collection (lot of seiko, and also squale, steinhart, Tissot...)
Hey, that's great to hear though. I'm definitely aware people love the brand, and on the customer service side, I can't fault it. I think I'd even give the watches another go at some point to see - as I supect it was - if it was just bad luck! And the Horizons is a really cool design, so nice choice 👍
That’s the problem I believe these watches are assembled in Hong Kong and Designed/ pieces made in Singapore at least some of them
I know zelos have a big fan base, but personally I just don't get it, they just look like cheap watches to me..I have no problem with micro brands, but I really don't get the hype with this one.
I think a lot of people like that it’s a brand doing unique designs, but they can be divisive too. For me, the Blacktip looks just…horrible. But for some it’ll be right up their street. Some have said the more premium Zelos models are worth the higher price. Not sure I’ll take the gamble, though.
Swordfish ain't there for me. But the Mako in midnight blue... That's where it's at.
I think the Swordfish 40 is pretty spectacular. I have a salmon dial that I didn't buy from Zelos, but I bought it from the purchaser with all the stickers still attached and no wear for the retail price. I thought that was a decent deal. I have had good experience with Zelos for customer service on others, and I briefly had a Hammerhead that was just too heavy, but spectacular in every other way. I do not think my Seikos, Zodiac, Oris, or Omegas are substantially better, apart from the movements, and not always there either.
Salmon dials are all the rage at the moment, eh?! Glad you’ve had good experiences with yours, mate, and I’m sure my experience isn’t across the board. The Hammerheads look like tanks, to be fair! I think they’d take one look at my arm and find a more suitable taker!
I agree with you in so many ways. These watches are build like paperweights…..all of them. That’s my opinion and not a dig. If you like that look in a watch, more power to you.
The clasp is sooo similar to strapcode. Not a bad thing at all for the price.
Should improve your sound... louder & clearer
I own three Zelos, the Swordfish 40 being of them. For £300 it's hard to find better, although RLG probably are. Step up to the Blacktip and you get a far better watch.
RLG look like they make some really cool divers. Similarly, RZE do, too. Titanium and all that jazz.
Ive owned 6 Zelos watches, all of them were great and awesome customer service. Gave ALL of them away about a year later. Couldn't stand the fanboys.
Yep, I get you totally. 😂😂😂
Finally, i can agree with someone about Zelos. I owned a Zelos but i think that aren’t as fantastic as they are portrayed to be. Worst still, the fanboys seem to be everywhere.
Liked your comment because of the “fanboys” and I agree.
The 7 marker looks roughly cut :(
I bought ZELOS HAMMERHEAD V3 STEEL ORANGE watch but is moving forward time 5 minutes each 1 hour approx, is there a solution? regards
I get the glow in the dark stuff.
I have an old Timex Reef Gear Chronograph with Indiglo and I adored it when I could use the Indiglo function, sadly it stopped working and as best I know you can't repair an indiglo fault, but if I could find one in working condition online again I would buy it in an instant. Just for the blue lit face.
Ah, man, the Indiglo thing must’ve been so incredible tech-wise when it first came out. Sounds like looking for a needle in a haystack - looks like an absolute little tank of a watch, though, I must say! Fingers crossed you come across one, mate
Thank you for posting this video. I recently ordered an Abyss 3 in bronze and had QC issues as well. The first one sent to me had bad bezel alignment. They sent another one that had better alignment (still a little off.) I was okay with that until I inspected it further. There were smudges on the 11:00 and 12:00 indicators. The indicators on the left side of the dial were raised up and on the right side were laying flat. I was not willing to give Zelos another chance and will not buy from them again. Now that I'm paying attention to their bezels I see most do not line up. It seems like the newer ones are worse. I'm not sure how companies are okay with this.
The bezel action is perfectly fine and its feel is subjective, personally not for me either. Keep in mind, you literally went for the cheapest model so you get what you pay for. Those are reasons why I don't go for the SF. Try higher end models, don't judge Zelos based off their most basic bitch model. E.g. the Blacktip has one of the best bezels under 4k, period.
Yeah, that’s fair enough, mate. I think the Swordfish line is also the one most gravitate to design-wise though, and it’s just a nicely sized dive watch that most will go for because it’s a design that’s bold, coherent and unique. I think if I was paying more, I’d opt for another brand, but that’s just my personal preference. 👍👍
Agree, the Blacktip has the best action in my collection
Agree or disagree, your video is interesting. Enough, no more Zelos
I’ve five zelos watches and none have an QC issues. However I have heard of a few issues with Ti bezel action. I’m not a ti fan so haven’t experienced it. Is it a titanium issue? I haven’t had any issues with zelos SS or bronze bezels.
That's a good question, Glynn. I am hoping to try out more Zelos in future to see if I can fall in love with them in the same way others definitely have!
You’re absolutely right. I send back 8 watches to Zelos, all with issues and not proper build quality
That sucks to hear! Did you manage to get them replaced or repaired? As I’m sure Zelos would be happy to resolve any issues. But that’s very unfortunate.
@@LumePip yes, I got refunded and now 3 are back for repairs! He solves all problems but it’s unnecessary, more focus on quality will solve many to my opinion
Why do you keep buying them?
Woah. 8? How many have you bought to get 8 defective ones?
@@KennyVo120probably 8
Why I won’t ever buy a zelos , I’m happy with my sinn.
My experience with zelos is pretty bad. The qc isn't good, bezel spring broke and the bezel ring was impossible to remove i ended up bending it, it was so tight. Wont buy another zelos. Glycine, certina, Seiko, orient, Christopher ward, helm are much better value imo and u dont need to deal with customs every time. Just my 2 cents.
I’m always blown away by Christopher Ward - that sounds terrible written down! But anyway, their Trident Pro watches are excellent value for money. I’ve had 2 and loved them both. I’m always looking out for those in their sales!
@@LumePip it looks very wrong written down 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Good to know more about the brands as well as the watch, especially when they've the all so rare good service.
Get their Zelos Nova 38mm series. Proper proportions with nice movement.
I really like the look of that model with the teal dial. I missed out on it unfortunately, and there are a fewer different watches that would come before it. Great recommendation though - it looks like a very nice piece! 👍👍👍
@@LumePip which one do you have in your mind?
@@ocb05 I think it’d have to be the teal one, or blue, however they label it, but it’s a stunner. I love the effect on the dial, the way it ripples - just stunning 😎
@@LumePip too bad I sold the teal one. Kept the salmon
@@ocb05 ah, man! Oh, well, that’s a beauty, too 🍣
Love your sense of humor
Thanks so much, I'm really glad you do and hope you enjoy the videos!
Zelos bezels are too stiff, but everything else in your review seems good
Date Window & Date Numbers needs to be Bigger... Can Barely see it!
The 7 o’clock cut out looks a bit rough.
For me, if this had harness coating, I'd probably be all over it. Uncoated Titanium is a no-go.... It's like mineral glass. I'm going to scratch it badly.... And so easily. This is a really attractive dial though ...
And Helm. Go up I mean.
Another brand I’ve definitely considered paying over retail for… Not sure I ever will get round to it either!
I consider Helm Watches and Zelos Watches to have a similar build quality. I owned both and sold both of them eventually. The Komodo is such a nice and well made watch. But the proportions were just weird.
Just subscribed :)
Enjoyed your review and turn of phrase 😀. I’ve had two Zelos watches, the Swordfish 40 bronze and HH3 both teal dial, but sold both. I felt the Swordfish was a tad on the small side and decided I’d rather have the Seiko ‘dark manta’ samurai than the Hammerhead. Like you I’ve tried to like them but haven’t found the perfect Z for me (yet). I do know what you mean about the bezel, although mine weren’t as bad as yours. Just a bit different!
Thanks, Graham! Wow, two ends of the spectrum size-wise. And I had the Dark Manta Samurai and loved it, but sold it - I massively regret that. It's a stunning watch. I had the Hexam bracelet from Strapcode and it was honestly incredible. I'd like the 8-day pilot thingy (can't remember the name now)...HORIZONS! Yeah, one of those, but not got that sort of dough for a Zelos atm.
@@LumePip lol, talk about coincidence! My Strapcode Hexad bracelet just arrived today and I’ve put it on the dark manta. It transforms it into something really special!
The samurai manta is killer and future icon from a manufacturer with brand value and heritage.
So out of nearly 6 minutes of this video, you spent 4 minutes praising Zelos, Elshan, the quality of the watch, the customer service, and the lume. Your main issue is, if I understand, is the bezel feel? Its too "clicky" for you? That's your issue? And it doesn't fit your wrist "quite right"? And for this you're never buying a Zelos again? Seriously?
Well, for me, that's fine.......one less person to compete against. More Zelos for me. I've lost count as to how many Zelos I've owned since discovering the company, counting both owned currently and owned then sold. Uniformly I can tell everyone and anyone of the excellent quality, fit, finish, lume, customer service, quality control, design.....all of it. And I personally know other collectors with many "high end" watches who routinely buy Zelos and are very impressed with them.
You of course are entitled to your POV, and I will fight to the death for your right to express it. But I think you're cheating yourself out of some of the finest watches out there, micro brand or not. But you do you sir. I respect your opinions on this matter....I just happen to strongly disagree with them. But good luck on the never-ending watch hunt.
Love your humor haha
Just in general, paying over retail makes zero sense for anything in life. there are other options. people make bad decisions with their money. but then dont complain about the cost of things.
people who drive a 100K BMW should not complain about the cost of Gas.
Overhyped. Limited by design with small releases and regularly changing varieties to keep people collecting. Its a watch brand for collectors of 'limited things' rather than 'value driven purchases'.
I have numerous dive watches from brands such as Aquatico, Oceaneva, Heimdallr, Pagani Design, Pablo (Profundo), Invicta (!), BLWRX and many more I can't remember. None have had qc issues. Zelos needs to get their act together!
I see lots of really positive coverage of Heimdallr. And I’m liking the look of these frosted Monster homages. Might be worth a punt!
The two Heimdallr's I bought recently are excellent. Just got a Steeldive that I need to size tonight....
Are you Paddy the baddy incognito ?
If he heard that comparison I think he'd be hunting down both of us and kicking our heads in!
Lol is that a bad bezel sound ???
High-pitched and a bit rusty sounding? I'd say so 🤷♂️
Zelos does not appreciate. Lol..They make limited quantities with tiered pricing strategy. Ebay flippers buy them all up at pre order price and sell them at higher end of the tiered price, creating the illusion the value went up(when the pre order price was the real price all along)., I suspect maybe a part of their business plan to create perception of demand and value.. One thing I do respect about them vs 1000's of crap micros is at least they are not rebages of alibaba watches, blantant homages or freinkenhomages 99%micro are. However, they do the flavor of the month lumed Ceramic bezel/dial gimmick like every micro.
People who spends thousands upon thousands dollars on boxes full of Zelos are just bonkers! I'm sorry if you are reading this while wiping the finger prints off your Zelos. You are a certified proper nut, now with more flavour after roasting.
I think if I was spending a lot of money, I’d rather one excellent watch, be it from a brand like Breitling, Omega, Tudor, as opposed to several Zelos, but others have different experiences - maybe mine’s unique!
@@LumePip You've been too harsh on the brand. The reason why people have boxes full of Zelos is because they are freakin good watches for a relatively low price and a great customer service. Also, one of the few brands in the whole world ( yes I'm also considering big established brands) that actually has ORIGINAL designs. Moreover, they innovate in terms of materials. A slightly misaligned or too hard to click bezel dont justify all the hate I'm reading on this page! Zelos is GREAT
Don't be sorry for those who bought Zelos, sorry for yourself who made such harsh remark for no valid reason. Pls go buy the most expensive PP and AP etc and leave the micro brand enthusiasts alone.
I guess you prefer jewelry. Any watch worth owning must have a decent movement. Pass
Horrible bezel action? Serious? Lol😂
yeah, it really was terrible
I suggest you buy a Rolex, and stop complaining about Zelos.
Good jokes!
Not now for me over priced
I think that the Zelos logo is very very cheap looking, one of the main reasons I won't buy a watch from them. Besides that, I personally can't understand why people like their designs. For me their are rough and childish with 0 finesse.
Dislike.