Why you should Never use traditional Aikido in a street fight
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Why I like you guys! You teach the truth about styles and fighting, it is always fluid.
They don't understand striking or structure breaking to removed the attackers strength.
I say this as someone with a background in Aikido but also my academic career is in Asian studies, What I have learnt is that a lot of Japanese Aikido practitioners also train a "hard" martial art be in Judo, a karate style like goju ryu or Nippon Kenpo alongside their Aikido, they use Aikido as their "soft skills" training.
Aikido was specifically designed to defeat Judoka...
@@knowledgeishalfthebattle ...wut ? maybe its a joke Idk
@@knowledgeishalfthebattle Aikido isn't a martial arts per say its a philosophy and conflict management system.
Before I learned judo I had already learned judo, which I started training again recently in addition to gojuryu karate.
The reason Bruce Lee intermixed many styles in Jeet Kune Do
That’s why I studied Jkd
He's dead
Wow I really appreciate their honesty. That's why I like them.
I agree with you 100%, Aikido is a great foundation to helping you with dealing with a street situation mentally and emotionally you need to incorporate 21st century tactics to defend yourself from harm by using Atemis/strikes even kicks, thing to remember is that your attackers do not cooperate by simply taking a fall or allowing you to put them into a joint lock.🙏🙏
LOL the first thing I learned from my JuJuitsu Sensei was that if you’re able to get a joint lock, BREAK THE JOINT, INSTANTLY AND THEN WIGGLE IT AT THE BREAK causing the jagged edges of the break to grind against each other and the nerves clustered there. Break a finger and wiggle it! Break an arm and wiggle wiggle! Imagine.
@@ExSoldier762 I also studied Japanese Jujitsu and was taught that if you are able to get a joint lock break it so the attacker can't use that limb again which will take your attacker out of the fight for good. 👍👍
Martial arts have been watered down for the white people! In Aikido they practice letting the opponent role out of the toss so the opponent can live to practice attacking time and time and time over and over. In a real fight by an Aikido Master, the defender would toss the attacker head first into a wall or ground immediately ending the fight. A Judoka combat practice is tossing the attacker to the ground on his back focusing on building up 2k psi which would immediately ghost the attacker...
Id use Boxing and especially Krav Maga along Aïkido on Street Fight.
What's also special on Aïkido is that You can get out from a surrounding.
I saw a demo on it .
These guys s*&k. Your like OH I agree. oh yeah your right.
These guys dont know enough aikido to scrap two matches together.
Aikido worked extremely well for me teaching high school deep in the inner city of Miami Fl. Saved my hide a couple of times over that 15 year period with some very aggressive gangbangers. But those weren’t street fights. They were kids with mental illnesses who had problems with coordination and balance and were consumed with rage making them blind to any sort of response. The only time I was really concerned I had a group of the youngest and most vicious punks after me and I started carrying a rolled up section of newspaper under my arm. My Aikido’s Sensei at the time showed me how he took out a large group of punks in Central Park in the 1970’s in similar fashion. But nowadays, I practice cane defense and that’s much more effective than Aikido. Since I live in Tennessee, I also carry a gun.
Weapons I like are Katanas
@@KmT81 in the honorable words of the immortal Highlander:
“IN THE END, THERE CAN BE ONLY ONE.” I have a Katana. Strictly a showpiece.
This missing link you need for the street defence its called Aikijujutsu🥋
The calm ,and practical manner in which this channel conveys its message around its craft is why they are successful...
You can mix Aikido to avoid and throw the opponent out,with Boxing or Krav Maga for example or Wing Chun Kung Fu
Exactly but you start with aikido.. you are so right
@@ralphmelvin1046 Yes for sure I love Aïkido,its si spiritual and peaceful with the body,mind and soul.
Along it I love Kung Fu(Wing Chun,Shaolin) Ninjutsu and Boxing.
Krav Maga is not bad(Military Fight You Can face any situation with it.
First you do not wait for the attacker to strike. When the attack is realized, you attack, strike to confuse the attacker/attackers taking his/their focus, structure break to take away their strength and then ghost the attacker in 1 second! These guys to not realize Aikido was designed to defeat Judoka, Judo being the most lethal martial art on earth! A properly trained Judoka can toss his attacker to the ground building up 2K PSI when attacker landing on his back ghosting the attacker...
Cross training in Aikido and Wado really compliment each other. Wado focuses on punching and staying grounded, aikido is all about movement and staying grounded really good thanks guys!
Absolutely well explained. Very practical. Softening blows and preemptive striking.
Awesome! 🔥
Hope Azu is doing well,,,good to see him out and about!! Appreciate it!!
Aikido is perfect for Security Guards to de-escalate situations - WHITHOUT HURTING - drunks and idiots, it's fantastic for THAT. But when an attacker is a sick and determined threat then u switch to Jeet-kune-do and take the sicko down with extreme prejudice.
Totally correcy! Shout out to Azu; good to see you!
Modern aikido is a modern, contemporary "traditional". If you research back into the history of aikido, they made a lot more use of atemi-waza, striking/impact techniques (punches, strikes and kicks). You are adding the long neglected strikes back into the art, returning more towards the original, truly traditional aikido . 😀
Sadly, "traditional" aikido, along with the other "traditional"Japanese martial arts, was sterilized years ago by the elimination of techniques in the syllabus that actually completed and rounded out the arts so they were complete self defense systems. Judo and aikido eliminated strikes. Karate eliminated grappling, etc. Hence the arts became sports,, not self defense. But if you look in the old texts, they were complete arts, well rounded arts, not sports.
Azu! Good to see you!
Like Bruce Lee said, "50% kung-fu , 50% what ever works". AiKido helps my feet and hands move together.....
In systems like Kempo and Ssn Soo, the defender trains with what some have called a "cooperative attacker." Extremely difficult to complete a technique when an attacker deceides he's not going to stand there and let you do your technique.
I love you guys spirit when you demo. you are obviously having fun. I couldn"t have practiced this art for decades if it wasn't fun. I also came from Karate. But I stayed with Aikido, I have a good idea of atemi waza and when and how to apply it.
Nice!
100% agree, I spent many years of my Aikido journey fighting with this truth. It was only when I became a 1st Dan and started teaching did I accept Aikido for what it is. For me it is a mindset, almost a way of life and certainly a solid foundation.
This might sound strange but I think this analogy sums Aikido up. You wouldn't shoot a canon from a canoe, for me Aikido is about becoming a Galleon, a solid platform ready for a canon, but Aikido is not the canon, that's where other styles such as boxing come into play.
O Sensei's training to defeat Judoka has been watered down... In the 30s and 40s Judo was the premier lethal fighting art on the planet and banned by Occupied Forces to be practiced in Japan during the 40s.
@@knowledgeishalfthebattle Absolutely, I think anyone who practices Aikido owes it to themselves to take time to study Daito Ryu, the forerunner to Aikido. Not much available on Daito Ryu but there is plenty on Aiki-jūjutsu which is a much tighter and more aggresive martial art.
We've spent many a night in the Dojo comparing styles and as you put it, you really see how watered down Aikido has become.
Very nice vídeo. Congratulations
There was a reason why O' Sensei taught Aikido only for those who already knew another art. I'm training both Karate and Aikido, and thanks to the approach of the first (Karate) I can see an opening for the second (Aikido). With that being said, of course Aikido can work on it's own, there's a time, place and situation for every martial art.
We're learning the same arts but I'm also learning judo. I wonder what I'll do if I need to defend myself in the future. Fortunately I never needed martial arts for self-defense, specially because I live in Japan.
Sounds like this is a new style of Aikido, one that is practical and truly an effective defensive art .. Street Aikido? Neo-Aiki-Jiujitsu ?
Do you cover Street fighting in your online training academy?
Yes they do. I took the basic program years ago and am planning the street version. Incredible easy to learn from these guys. Worth the price and its low anyways. If your new do the more traditional one first as Jason says. It trains you the movement’s so when you shorten them for the street your not learning new moves. Your just shortening them.
Aikido masters train in structure breaking (take away their strength) and striking techniques (take away their focus) on a daily basis. How much time you got? Besides, it's modern crime nowadays. One would be best to practice Observational Awareness! Are there gangs in the area? Burglaries? What are the top 10 stolen vehicles in the county, do you own that car? Counting where and how many fire escapes are at a concert building or a woman not losing sight of her drink and tossing the drink at a bar are good practices. Even stepping into an ATM booth, rest stop bathroom at 2a.m. can get anyone robbed or ghosted...
Lol. That's exactly what you use. Go look up Saito Sensei old books. Like the old ones. That's traditional aikido. That works. Aikido is 99% hitting. Bounced for 20 years. Trained for 40+. Traditional aikido is scary crap
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Well hitting and structure breaking... The best don't have to touch their attacker to take away the attacker's strength, they know which direction to move causing the attacker to lose balance and break their own structure.
It's not about fighting but ..... bringing you in the situation to resolve and move away .....
Have you tried to get Steven Seagal to come on one of your tapings?
He is a fraud
As a blue belt in Takemussu Kai, I can confirm that.
Sure, we need to adapt. But not even once I felt undertrained, at least in my dojo. Maybe because almost all of the other students were black belts. One of them was just like a loose truck.
You either connected the technique, or you managed to move out of his way, because he would not stop when as a Uke, nor would he avoid hitting you. Hard.
One other thing is that when you do that training where 2, 3 or even 4 Ukes come at you at the same time (it's been 5 years now since ai had to quit, go easy on me!). It really helps you in developing spacial awareness, and how to deal with groups of attackers. Very useful in the streets.
Really love this channel! You guys are awesome, you make aikido work for the street!
Please more episodes!
Your traditional Aikido is your base, but it has to adapt to modern times. Very true with a lot of arts.
Azu stay strong 😊
Many say the same about Wing Chun. It’s all about concepts and body mechanics… knowing the fundamentals.
Unless one has been training in McDojo, which in case of Aikido is sadly bit more popular, aikido works just fine - in niche for which it has been designed. Aikido exists to allow to deploy sword from disadvantegous position, not replace the sword (or other weapon). It is not scoring sport.
No no no. O'Sensei primarily designed Aikido to defeat Judoka. In the 30s, Judo was not watered down and was the most lethal martial art on the globe. In the 40s Occupation Forces banned most Martial Arts in Japan. And of course many of Aikido's strikes were changes to imitate sword strikes since the practicioners weren't allowed to touch swords...
@@knowledgeishalfthebattle,
No. Aikido is the lowest watered down version of Jujitsu. It's the least affective art.
I'm only a relative beginner so am working through the basics of getting my technique so I'm not going ' where do my hands go' etc. Isn't what your talking about the application of ateme? And that's another thing I need to look at. One thing at a time though. Good video, I enjoy your discussions.
I practice aikido. Before, I did karate and kumite. I like fighting. Aikido is fun, but many movements are so complicated.
Gichin Funakoshi, founder of modern karate said this : in a real fight for you life, there's no place for fancy movements. Strike back with simple and straightforward movements.
My background is Karate and I found some of the techniques lacked the same requirement in a real situation, it was ok against another karate opponent, but its a real attacker who is violent high on drink or drugs, is another ball game so I adapted my style and really thought about, what would happen now in that split second, be honest about what would work and what wouldn't, a fight is fluid your attacker is not going to stand there whilst you work out your move, most people come in all guns blazing, throwing wild punches pushing grabbing head butting kicking out and so on.
The one advantage you have is your target has lost control, the hardest thing for you is maintaining control in the heat of battle, you have no time to think so you must react fast and powerfully and with balance speed and accuracy, to get to this ability you must practice your defence and offence over and over until it becomes second nature like riding a bike.
End the fight quickly if somebody comes in to push grab you its an assault so defend then strike with blow that will finish the fight.
In todays world aggressive people are not content with punching you once, if you go down in all likely hood it will not end there for the attacker, if I knock somebody down its ends.
We have rules of engagement a street thug will not.
As a martial artist who has spent every day training in 12 different styles for 20 years, and has unfortunately been in many real life situations and lived to tell the tale, I feel I want to give my perspective on this topic. Aikido comes from aiki-jujitsu. And if you take a look at that art, you can see that the founder of aikido really didn't change much. He only removed the punches that you do before a throw or lock. This makes the arts less effective as they are "distracting attacks" that make it difficult for your attacker to resist your throws and locks. Aikido's founders also made the techniques larger and more circular, which also contributed to making them less effective. This is why so many people think steven seagal's aikido looks so much more effective. Because he mixed strikes from karate with his aikido and thus reinvented aiki-jujitsu. Seagal also made the techniques more aggressive just like in aiki-jujitsu.
Always use traditional Aikido.
And avoid the conflict.
If you can
I came to the conclusion years ago. There is value in aikido when there is a connection.
💯👋👍!
Pretty convinced that ‘traditional’ for any martial art that has roots on the battlefield is 100% still relevant today, assuming the style is aware of that background and teaches beyond kata. Kata are training exercises and should be expanded to what some consider ‘application’ - and that includes concepts and principles that are not in themselves a technique…hey ho.
I think he can break out of the connection because you are not maintaining your stance.
In that case when you want to use ikkyo which I wouldnt recommend except if you fighting someone with knife, you need to step forward longer than that, or else this would be happened.
This is because if you just stepping forward that small, you would lean forward and not using the aikido stance. then your opponent can over power you because he is not being pushed by their own body weight
What you want to say
This is what I been saying aikido don’t work unless you master Atemi waza I also believe that Aikijujitsu is a mixture of judo and aikido techniques but you have to do a lot more striking techniques
As other user's have mention; Aikido lacks Atemi Waza. Atemi Waza was included in Daito-Ryu, the parent art of Aikido, because it is necessary in order to break the opponents balance and focus.
Daito-Ryu also didn't rely on continuing to flow with the opponent until they "stop." Instead, many of the techniques "flow" by promptly redirecting the force and stopping it. When the joints/bones, lock, dislocate, or break, then the "fight" is over. However, the other aspect of Daito-Ryu and traditional Japanese Budo/Jujutsu arts is controlling the attacker and using the amount of force necessary to stop the attack. In other words, it probably wouldn't be appropriate to dismember the drunk guy at the bar who decides to get a little rowdy. On the other hand, someone who is faced with a mugger or other life-threatening attack should exercise the full extent of their knowledge and stop the attack by whatever means necessary to get away.
I think this is the difference between aikido and aikijutsu.
So it's exhibition. Not street fighting
I have been practicing martial arts for 40 years, of which 20 years Aikido Aikikai. I've been doing free fight for about 10 years. My conclusion = YOU CANNOT MAKE OR TRAIN A STREET FIGHT. An attack comes out of the blue and at unexpected moments as happened to me a few weeks ago in Vietnam, I was attacked out of the blue and stopped the attacks twice using Aikido techniques without realizing it !!
😂😂😂 facts
Please tell this to Steven Seagal, he would be perfectly happy to demonstrate his traditional aikido and demonstrate how the man, not the style, makes it VERY effective!!!! Remember it's the man, not the style, that makes any martial art effective.
I think that... it is like this.... aikido was NOT born to fight against cavalry wearing bamboo armour and armed with lances... talk about mixed martial art...something karate went through.... in conclusion.... move using aikido.... chant and think : KILL.... kill... NOT get killed.... NOT being killed.... in fact... i heard that the aikido in sarawak, malaysia uses silat helang putih as the offensive part of their trainning...
I think aikido is like table tennis it's not fighting art.
I'm high ranking in Kenpo, Hapkido, Aikido, wing chun, and jeet kune do-- and i AGREE with you it will not (the TRADITIONAL aikido)... and I have 1000+documented encounters and only 2 losses in my 40 + year career.... and YES you are correct.... but then, everything I've seen you guys do- is correct!!! YOu are basically creating STREET MMA-- not that stupid cage crap-- but the realistc STREET MMA.. :) Oh- and I NEVER punch.. it's useless and dangerous for ME as much as for the attacker..
Wow, everyone believes you
@@Youdontknowwhatliterallymeans What's THAT suppose to mean??
If you have that opinion of aikido,I belive you are trainig with the wrong people. I agree that you should learn others martial arts . In a street figth is not tine for a beautiful movement or a perfect kata.just survival mind set and (wathever you already master)and the tools you carry wlll help, but anyhow avoid standing in the x and dont pick a figth is the best self-defence
It's true, a lot of people forget that Traditional Aikido is only the kata. It's basically a dance version of Daito-Ryu techniques, that helps you develop the muscle memory aspect in a safe way. Unlike most kata, the techniques are there, albeit in a softer, safer form. Going into a fight with Traditional Aikido would be the equivalent of a boxer jumping in the ring using speedbag techniques to fight like a kangaroo. Ushiba had enough of fighting by the end of his teaching days, and had stopped training people in combat - however, the techniques are still present enough to adapt. Steven Seagal's adaptations were an excellent start. His hand deflections alone were a gamechanger when it came to addressing strikes. The idea of parrying attacks into redirections was taken from swordsmanship, and it's perfectly in line with Aikido philosophy. All one really needs to do is hit up an MMA gym and start sparring with people for some hands-on learning. Most situations where the martial art gets debunked, is really the failure of the student to properly adapt and use their common sense. No martial art is ever gospel, including MMA. We learn from a teacher, and then the rest is taught through experience.
I disagree there still a way defend yourself in the street fight using aikido.. it will always work if you use your mind and body.. and know your limitations to what can work and what can't work.. you're showing that.. also the aggressiveness of your opponent also comes into play
Not wrong but I think you can mix with Boxing or Krav Maga or Wing Chun Kung Fu.
@@KmT81 yes that's the point I'm trying to make
Properly learn structure breaking techniques and aggressiveness is worthless... Do you know which direction to move to trick the attacker into becoming off balance or break his own structure losing his strength?
@@knowledgeishalfthebattle I base that on his movement toward me, you know how Aikido works you just redirect the movement of your opponent
That first problem is not your problem.
Your problem is that your Aikido is restricted to:
Ikko, Irimi Nage, Shi Ho Nage ... and so on.
But Aikido also has:
Chu Dan Tsuki, Jo Dan Tsuki, (Ate) Irimi Nage via a palm strike into the face, with the palm on the nose/fingertips in the eyes.
Yokomen ... Yokomen is a stike no one really has a defense against, unless he does something similar to Aikido/Ju Jutsu.
If you already restrict your Aikido to what perhaps could be called "defensive moves" and then cut off everything that looks to complicated to pull off, obviously are in a bad situation.
My first Idea if one is obviously about to attack me is Ate Uchi Irimi Nage, and the second is Katadori men uchi. That means: I attack first.
Look other videos of this channel
@@tonymontana3949 link some
I disagree.
I am a Shodan in Aikido and when we practice ran dori if one move doesn't work - you do another.
In the situation above you tried a shionage in àn attack but uke tried to resist. You could have therefore tried an attack in irimi nage or ikkyo. There's the other move and you pull uke from the collar.
I haven't practiced since 2016 - went into BJJ and karate but still remember all of the moves.
Oh - and don't forget the atemi!
You should try a script or something. This video manages to squeeze ~2 mins of info into 8 mins.
Aikido isn't traditional, its contemporary late 19th century concept.
Where it comes from could be considered a traditional martial skill set.
I understand, you have to integrate, a mix of the various arts with Aikido, cause today's street fighter tactics are too much for Aikido to be used to combat today's street fighter🤔
While I fully agree with the premise, I don't feel like you demonstrated or explained it very well. You seem to be struggling to articulate your points and I think a bit of a script might have helped. It wasn't entirely clear why you didn't think it would work, other than the lack of connection.
At one point you said that he can be strong and break out of technique, but if you're doing it right, that should not be the case. The whole point of a MARTIAL art is that it works on a bigger and stronger opponent because it's based on taking their balance and locking their joints, things that no amount of muscle is gonna help with.
The weakness of traditional aikido in a street fight, for me, is that it trains you to deal with another trained martial artist who understands that ukemi is about moving to protect yourself. The fullness of a technique is response to someone staying with you all the way through. If the person attacking you doesn't really know about ukemi they will be vulnerable at a much earlier stage of the technique and we often don't practice for that.
Take something like kaitenage. There are multiple points in that where uke only move because the alternative is taking a nasty atemi. We need to train that so that if uke isn't trained, as is common in a street situation, we anticipate it and deliver the atemi correctly.
Training your inner "person" the continuous skills of many animals so that you may draw upon all of them in a crisis. Man has developed a disregard for his safety. This is foolish, like all of God's creatures, we must remain vigilant. I used to think I was paranoid. But we have become too complacent to threat.
Traditional Aikido? He means British Aikido, lol Go train with the Japanese masters for a few years... Aikido masters' method? liability insurance is a great idea if you gotta get into fights! Buy some gun insurance and make sure you draw your weapon after the fight is over for the lawyer insurance. Never let the fight last longer than 1 1/2 seconds! When fight is on, ATTACK! Strike, stealing attackers focus, structure break taking away his strength and then toss offender into ground head first allowing ground to ghost the attacker... If you do not attack so quickly confusing the bystanders to whom was the aggressor, YOU MOVED TO LATE and TO SLOWLY! Person closes his fist? Attack! Person moves into defensive fighting position? Attack! Person reaches under his clothing? ATTACK! For people who don't have time to train, strike to the head! Poke em in the eyes! Kick him in the knee as hard as you can. Kick his balls to the moon! Put your two largest fingers into the bottom of the persons throat and then force the attacker to the ground on his back as hard as you can! End it in 1 second! 1 1/2 second for the slow victims...
Yes!He's British I think,recognized the accent a little bit.
That's contradictonal. If you do Aikido, why are you expected to take part in a street fight?
And for your Aikido to work, you need to learn how to be in a a correct position.
Aikido is a sports martial art of great beauty, but it is not a martial art to be used in street combat.
The "hundred year old" guys you were bashing on... you couldn't touch them.
The main problem with Aikido is that it's a martial artists martial art.
Traditionally you wouldn't be allowed to train Aikido unless you already had a black belt in some other martial art.
You are trying to engage an opponent in the middle of a park with Aikido moves, which means from the outset you didn't apply Aikido.
The correct Aikido moves in the demonstration is to create distance and find the nearest exit.
You failed to do that, and frankly that is BASIC Aikido.