The new movie upset me... it completely skipped over the colorless planet. Every creature there was blind, but very sweet and welcoming. That portion was there for a reason, that you can't assign value on what you see (since meg was blind for most of it). They just went straight to the dark planet and that bugged me.
@@cbohnstedt4477 Oh, yes, that's a better explanation!! More like Genus Because Pennywise feeds in fear and the Beldam with love but both of them feed with feelings. 😨😨😲😲😲😂😂
He recently did IT theory and since a wrinkle in time movie was coming he mightve read the book again and since the IT theory was in his mind, it mightve connected
I think we need to take the time to actually appreciate how far matt goes just to make these theories. He would literally read 7 books just to make one theory, he would relearn subjects to calculate one equation all just to entertain us in his way. Good job matt
Banthar but he doesnt know the difference between stan and bill. This is all wikipedia level shit. Matpat puts no effort into these and panders to dumb kids
He also has a team who helped with research. Also, they should have read another 4 books, the rest in he Wrinkle In Time series (The Time Quintet). They disprove a good amount of this theory.
Yeah, It kind of dissapointed be that they got excited about the connection but didnt actually look to affirm whether it was true. I understand that they have to get the content out on time but its still upsetting.
Well I never read it but I might own an old dusty book somewhere -quite old. Still certainly heard of it. A Newbery Medal Award winner that didnt have a dying dog.
no cause he said that a tesseract is an actual thing but it doenst have to be the one from avengers, the one from avengers is just their own universes tesseract, and in wrinkle in time they have their own form of a tesseract just like marvel, so theres no way that thanos, the wise villian who acts so comepletley different comapred to it, is related to pennywise or is even related to the same universe as pennywise, they literally have nothing to do with eachother.
This one is not so out of this world tbh. Artist always get "inspiration" from other previous works, even if they don't want to, they do IT (hehe) unconsciously.
I find it annoying that he barely does any real science episodes on game theory and film theory. I like lore episodes, but I think he should do some proper science episodes.
I don't know this one seemed pretty good, it's not as convoluted as other theories out there are, and he makes a great deal of connections to both of them, so I say it's a reasonable question and a fine theory overall.
Yeah I miss those too, but I'm fine with the lore ones, and I always find it's more important that the creator does what they want because it leads to a more quality, or one more full of love or whatever the word to describe it as, since they aren't just padding to one group, sure it may make them less popular, but it'll keep the job fun and entertaining so they can keep putting their heart and soul into making one.
Neil Gaiman's "Stardust" has a star turning into a human, so does Greek mythology. His "American Gods" series has something similar to time/space travel with the "behind the scenes" travel which takes place.
whenever people talk about the king multiverse sometimes they leave out the dark tower or kind of leave it as an afterthought or a supportive story, which doesn’t really make sense to me because the dark tower (both the books and the actual tower in them) is the connection point between every world, including every other king book
Yup And it features The Crimson King(Basically IT) ,Randall Flagg(the best fking villain in the Kingverse) and the most badass protagonist in the Kingverse
I hate that fact. It’s easily one of the better King books (though there all really good) and it’s obvious it’s pivotal for the lore of his books. It makes the spirits of the overlook, the ancient being in the form of a clown somewhat explainable and yet more scary (because some believe penny wise may be the same evil as the over look and that the crimson king is that evil) because they exist in evil and villainy across the multiverse which makes it infinite and all powerful
There was a Stephen king novel called ‘The Colorado Kid’ which was later adapted into a loosely based TV series called ‘Haven’. Haven is the name of a town also in main, and Derry is a town mentioned as a real place rather frequently. In this show, there are these afflictions creatively named ‘The Troubles’. The troubles were created by a woman who was from another universe. These troubles would cause people to have strange abilities, some of these include: Putting anyone you touch in extreme pain Not being able to feel anything Anything you touch turning to shreds (people included) Only being able to breathe underwater Controlling the weather Being a skin walker Telekenisis Reading minds Moving to fast for anyone to see you And more. These troubles when they were first created over a hundred years ago, would pass through generations of families. Something that’s significant is that emotional trauma is what brings them out. As punishment for creating these ‘Troubles’, the woman who created them was forced into a prison for 27 years, and when she returned to Haven she would have had her memory wiped and have the false memories of another woman given to her, and by the end of her stay there, she would have to return to her prison, and when she did, there would be a meteor shower called ‘The Hunter’ that only happened every 27 years when she went away and the Troubles would be temporarily gone and would come back 27 years later. I have a theory that Carrie could have had a Trouble. She had a series of traumatic events that brought it out, and she had a relative that had something similar, and there was something different about her genetically, like the people in Haven who had troubles. Same with the Shinning, it could be another trouble. I dunno if this theory is tru tho
None of this holds up once you add in the other books in the wrinkle in time series. It’s a Christian sifi-religious universe. The brothers of meg and Charles even went to help build the ark before the flood. The lore of wot is very tied to the Bible and God, explored with crazy Sifi lol. It’s a fun read.
I love how you said "IT" and not pennywise, because that is correct, IT I just a light or better known as the dead lights. That is it's true form, pennywise is just a name for the clown form. Thank you for using the true name
Di you mean Maturin? Maturin is a god, but later after Bill defeats It he feels a greater being that is not Maturin tell him he, “did a good job, kid” from outside the universe. So you could say God does exist in It.
Mat, you do know that there’s something called a family kiss? While yes, not on the lips exactly, it still works. oh well this is from 2 yrs ago I doubt anybody will see this.
Here’s another similarity between the two books in the novel A Wrinkle In Time IT Refers to itself as “The Happiest Sadist” that sure seems to mirror the personality of Pennywise The Dancing Clown flawlessly.
Hey matpat I have a theory for you! Are the food stunts in “Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs” actually plausible? I’ve posted this theory on you’re “Bee Movie” and “The Incredibles” videos and they’re going to be more detailed than this one. But to sum them up: Flint and the villagers pull off some impossible stunts throughout the film like using BREAD AS A BOAT last time I check bread gets soggy in a snap, grilled cheese form of not. And that based on their geographic location on the globe, creating an ice cream snow day on an island near the equator would lead to a melty soupy ice cream mess. One commenter on my theory/question also mentioned that all this food would cause destruction to the environment. I’m sure that fish aren’t too fond of Ben & Jerry’s Neapolitan ice cream entering their waters. The major builds a dam to hold the leftover food but wouldn’t it smell and how would you clean up melted ice cream? Please like so he can see this.
Naveil like I have said, I’ve posted this question on two previous videos and that this is more of a quick breakdown of them. The question is about how/if it’s possible for any of the stunts Flint does in the movie work. I use the ice cream and grilled cheese examples as they’re the most rememberable and the ones I remembered when I first originally posted the very first time on another video. After reading replies it was also mentioned that all the excess waste could cause damage to the environment and climate so I mentioned that here. How long would it take for the island to return to its natural state, what effects would all that good have on the islanders’s bodies, how would local wildlife be effected? All these questions are why I posted
Gotta part company with the "humans-as-stars" point when it comes to The Dark Tower. Roland was only reciting a parable about the stars used as navigation tools in Roland's where/when. In A Wrinkle In Time, actual cosmic entities shared details of their lifetime. The similarity of concept is not confirmed.
love the intro XD *YOU GET AN EXPLANATION* *YOU GET AN EXPLANATION* *AND YOU GET AN EXPLANATION* *EVERYBODY GETS AN EXPLANATION* Edit: Thx Matpat for pinning this comment, also thanks everyone for the likes :3 You made my day 100% better
When he pointed to the wrong actor I started laughing so hard. Like dude, you do mathematics, research on the dark web but you can't look up what kid plays Bill?!😂
He didn’t really point at Finn if you saw the pumpkin, he was pointing from the pumpkin to Finn and the mathematics to Eddie even tho Eddie doesn’t do math in the movie....I would think you would know that if you payed attention...he probably knew bill wasn’t in the picture and that’s why he showed a clip
Hey matpat this will probably get lost in this sea of comments but I would like to inform you that humans turning into Stars is actually something very common in older fantasy books one of the most popular books right now that contains a star becoming a human and vice versa is CS Lewis's The Voyage of the Dawn Treader and another one that contains this is one of my favorite book series James A Owen's The Chronicles of the Imaginarium geographica and from what I can tell it's also in a few older folk tales from Europe based on Christian stories
I was actually seriously concerned for MatPat's health until I saw how old this was and realized he wasn't dead, because I was wondering if he was running a heavy fever when it was made. Most of the connections are very common story tropes, the bit about the "people becoming stars" is only literal in Wrinkle In Time... in Dark Tower it's a myth, and because that world is a twinner for a version of the 'real' world it's basically based on the whole 'people becoming constellations thing' (heck, one of the names is a mangling of Cassiopeia, a real world constellation), which is about as old as surviving fiction itself. Saying it means people literally turn into stars in both worlds is like insisting Slenderman is real in ours because there are myths. And he straight up describes tesseracts and todash space as being two VERY different methods for crossing long distances (one bypasses by warping space time so you aren't crossing ANY other space, the other is essentially making a shortcut through Cthulhu's back yard) and then says they're the same. That's like saying X-Men's Magik going through Limbo to teleport is identical to the Star Trek teleporter. There are no valid similarities here. Look, I even liked and saw valid points in the Sans/Ness theory, but this one... I think this was the first Game Theory ep I ever had to downvote.
The tesseract is used to travel through space! Hmmm... matpat I think this a much bigger universe then u thought Marvel is part of it! But that’s just a theory! A film theory!
In my opinion, this would have been more believable if Matpat had drawn parallels between the Dark one and The Crimson king, who, as the ultimate evil of Stephen King's universe would have fit more. And if not him, I'd still say Randall Flagg would be a more fitting choice.
that is every idea ever. "original" was never "original" just an idea that has been established before and enough variation to create something fresh and different. it's only bad if it's just the exact same thing down to the bone and claimed as "own".
King has admitted to drawing inspiration from many authors (namely Tolkien) and has left easter eggs leading back to their works all over his novels. I wasn't aware of this connection, so this was cool to watch.
Do you think that maybe the chronicles of Narnia might happen in the Steven king universe too? For one, the kids are always pulled instantly from one world to another, and no matter how long they're in Narnia, they always get back at the exact moment they left. For another, in Narnia, it is Canon that stars are people, and when they get old, they come back to earth. That would be such an awesome connection! But hey, that's just a theory. A FILM theory! Thanks for reading.
Dorrie LeMaster Well hey, while we're at it, Lord of the Rings was written within the Narniaverse. Not only were JRR Tolkien and CS Louis best friends, but they wrote the books together, and Louis even references the multiverse with the pools (portals) in the wood between worlds. Middle Earth is commonly thought to be one of those pools. On top of that, in order to use these pools, you needed a special RING which basically functioned as a TESSERACT to transport you.
Zack Bryson Me gosh yes, and (not a tesseract [BELIEF, CHILDREN, BELIEF!]) remember the last Narnianan Book where they learned they have been in a train wreck in Earth? And Peter mentions Susan didn't come because of her not believing.
If you pause at 5:23 with the book page, if you read further down the page, you can also see Meg trying to resist the control of the Black Thing by remembering nursery rhymes like "Georgie, porgie, pudding, and pie..." Little Coincidink?
lindsey xoxx their is a theory that IT and coraline are connected and the monster lady from coraline is the same monster species as penny wise you can look it up on you tube for more information
“That’s a pretty unique concept. Stars that take human form and vice versa.” Is it really such a unique concept? It not only happened in the stories you mentioned, but I also remember it in The Chronicles of Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Titan’s Curse. Not to mention The Blue Fairy in Pinnochio.
Caspian’s future wife was the daughter of a Star, wasn’t she? I seem to remember Ramandu’s island. But you are right, that definitely did happen in The Last Battle.
*_Long ago, I, Aku, unleashed unspeakable evil, then one foolish samurai warrior stood up to oppose me, and when he tried to strike the last blow, I sent him into the future where my evil is law, and now he is trying to go back to the past and defeat the evil that is Aku._*
I’ve read the book before I saw the movie in theaters. My aunt got me the whole series and because the movie was based on the first book I tried to at least finish the first book. I did and I LOVED it. The movie was amazing, but I was let down a little. They left out sooo many good parts. I started to read the second book but got kinda bored so I started reading a different book. I tried to go back to it but couldn’t. If you also read the book please like this comment. Matt Pat, I love you videos, they are AMAZING. Keep up the AMAZING work. If you can please respond it would mean so much to me. I’m one of your biggest fans. I wish everyone an amazing day, afternoon, evening, or/and night. Have a FANTASTIC second, minute, hour, day, week, month, year, life. (P.S. if I spelled your name wrong I’m so sorry I haven’t made a comment on your video including you name.)
My cousin saw it I told her to tell me about it and she told me the lady with the red hair turned into a flying lettuce I started laughing so hard 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
do a theory on the lorax. Focus on the mom of Onceler. I saw her in the song" How bad can i be", and then in the "let it grow song ", you can find her near 1 : 32 seconds
"Meg gets Charles out of his catatonia state, not by kissing him cause they're brother and sister, but by her telling him how much she loves him" Me: so family not allowed to kiss each other on the forehead or on the cheek anymore??????
I think I can actually back up this theory. See, MatPat mentions how Todashing can make you get trapped in the void where monsters lurk if you're not careful, and in the WIT movie, Meg at multiple points gets trapped in a strange dark place where she feels as if she's going to die afterwards after Tesseracting, which sounds an awful lot like what would happen if you were trapped in a void full of monsters, and a similar thing happens in 1 of the WIT books I read where before appearing at her destination, Meg was trapped in nothing but a pure black void. And also remember how he said Charles has the Shine, well while losing a father wouldn't exactly count as abuse, what happens after does. Meg, at multiple times in her life at school, gets bullied because of what happened to her father and bullied in general, Charles sometimes reads her minds during these experiences, meaning he is feeling and going through the abuse that Meg is at the same time she does, effectively making him in a way abused to the point of gaining a Shine. And I also realized something, Mrs. Who. Mrs. Which, and Mrs. Whatsit are 3 human-ish people who become stars just like Apon, Casseopeoia, and Lydia, who's to say those 3 didn't somehow become the 3 Mrs. And then there's something else, the fact that the Black Thing is supposedly Pennywise, well while the Black Thing is just something from another planet and Pennywise is said to be from a different universe, that just proves they are 1 and the same. The Black Thing, knowing that others like the Mrs. and Megan and Charles and the others are clear threats to its existence, could've traveled to another universe, the universe of the Steven King books, and continued its rampage of fear there
The only thing I'd correct is that he says the Shine is caused by childhood trauma which loosing a parent would count as. Also, if it was caused by abuse, then he wouldn't have been able to read his sister's mind to gain the Shine because the Shine is telepathy
My class is reading the time book and uh.. we r upto the chapter the black thing. WOWIE. IM GONNA GO YELL OUT SPOILERS WHEN I GET BACK TO SCHOOL HAHAHAHAH
im gonna be the only one to say it, but mat the fact that you are taking your time in all your theories makes me want to do a theory on you about why you are making theories.
The real question is: does this make pennywise a Disney princess?
Brittany Simcic I'm dying! XD
PENNYWISE:
THE FORGOTTEN ROYAL
(Coming to theatres 2028)
Brittany Simcic its THE NEW RAPUNZEL 2018
Yes...
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???
His description of a wrinkle in time was better than the actual movie
YES
The new movie upset me... it completely skipped over the colorless planet. Every creature there was blind, but very sweet and welcoming. That portion was there for a reason, that you can't assign value on what you see (since meg was blind for most of it). They just went straight to the dark planet and that bugged me.
I don't know? good question
Ikr I was so confused on what was happening bc I hadn't read the book in a while
Yes
Film Theory: Stephan King Actually writes A Wrinkle in Time Fan Fiction.
Giggly Apple Stephen*
You get a moo
Come on, he’s already doing crack while writing the books, you really think he wouldn’t write some secret fanfiction in there??
@@worldkitemuseum When you write yourself into a book, theres no limits
scrangos True😂
*points out that bill denbrough recites his stuttering line thing*
*points to wyatt/stan*
Are we just going to not talk about him pointing at Stan when he says bill
-Hiser - in his defense i sometimes confuse Wyatt and Jaeden too
Yes
j nicole how
I Stan Stan
-Hiser - lol he also pronounced Richie’s last name as “trosers”
Bill Denbrough the leader
*Points at Stanley*
Bill wasn’t even in the picture
Denbrough*
Exactly! I just paused the video and sat there for a second cause I was confused lol
I literally wheezed as soon as I saw it
I know
Morgan freeman should be the turlte
Yes
yes
Yes
Yes
Yes
matpat: "Pennywise = Pure Evil Energy"
me: haha it spells pee
@Diana Golobeva stfu
@Diana Golobeva sToP
Omg you're right I'm dying xD
LMAO 😂😂😂😂 You made my day man, bless you by theory God matpat
Kids
and they used something called a tesseract-
Loki wants to know your location
I Am Majestic Hydra wants to know your location
Goose wants to know your location
Thanos wants to know your location
I want to know your location
The Avengers want to know your location
7:57 that’s Stan not bill
i was reading these comments hoping someone else got the mistake
Yeah me too it really bothered me.
Literally me too
Error 404 bill not found
Jaeden isn’t even in the picture
Matpat so what you're saying is:
A Wrinkle in Time: "You can copy my homework but don't make it look obvious."
Stephen King: *Makes IT*
Mitikozuki 😂😂😂
Mitikozuki 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Are you an idiot Bruddah MatPat said that they weren't created by the same people because why would this be made then huh
He used irony.
Mitikozuki i applaud you 👏👏👏👏
MatPat: Bill Denbrough *points to Stanley*
Bill: Am I a joke to you?
This comment:"Bill: Am I a joke to you?"
His stutter: A-am I a j-joke t-to yo-you?
@@vikasilaeva7760 what
@@twitchykirby509 isgshsjGKAjajak
YOU GET AN EXPLANATION
YOU GET AN EXPLANATION
YOU GET AN EXPLANATION
EvERy BOdY GeTs aN EXpLAnATioN!!!!!
Phoebe Carson Lol
I love that
Gosh I think we are becoming a meme
You'll get an explanation TOO!
(^-^)
MatPat: "A story that we've all read between the grades 4 and 7."
Me: "I have NEVER heard of this book."
I only knew about it from Stephan Universe theories.
It's in nearly every school library book system as well as an English class book reading project I'm sure.
Idk perhaps I'm just in that 1% of schools that don't use it 🤣
My mother forced me to read it. It was never a school requirement.
Bri A that sucks.
What about the Beldam from Coraline being the same species as Pennywise!!
I'd say maybe genus or family, not necessarily species. Feeding habits and apparent abilities are different, but I see where you're coming from.
@@cbohnstedt4477 Oh, yes, that's a better explanation!! More like Genus Because Pennywise feeds in fear and the Beldam with love but both of them feed with feelings. 😨😨😲😲😲😂😂
I like that theory
Look at "the theorizer"'s channel, he has a loooooong video about coralines theories and he said this some time ago! Definitely worth checking it out
Meki From Outer Space amazing. I love the theorizer
"bill denbrough"
*arrow pointing to stan*
Ni you are missing the point it is a nod to gravity falls
**Triggered**
PLEASE
Quick question MatPat. How did you even get introduced to the idea that A Wrinkle In Time was connected to IT?
Through the shower
He recently did IT theory and since a wrinkle in time movie was coming he mightve read the book again and since the IT theory was in his mind, it mightve connected
If you know both the thought is kinda obvious due to the parallels
FILM THEORY: *DID THIS NOVEL STEAL FROM THIS OTHER NOVEL*
Just make a Literature Theory channel already, man.
Heck yeah, we need more channels!
Doki Doki Literature Theory!
Adam Uhrynuk I was thinking the exact same thing
Patrick Hogan ikr
How about EnglishTheory? He can talk about grammar in books, punctuation, and obviously compare novels.
I think we need to take the time to actually appreciate how far matt goes just to make these theories. He would literally read 7 books just to make one theory, he would relearn subjects to calculate one equation all just to entertain us in his way.
Good job matt
You realize he just steals these from reddit, right?
Not all
Banthar but he doesnt know the difference between stan and bill. This is all wikipedia level shit. Matpat puts no effort into these and panders to dumb kids
He also has a team who helped with research. Also, they should have read another 4 books, the rest in he Wrinkle In Time series (The Time Quintet). They disprove a good amount of this theory.
Yeah, It kind of dissapointed be that they got excited about the connection but didnt actually look to affirm whether it was true. I understand that they have to get the content out on time but its still upsetting.
I’m a junior in high school and I never even heard of “A Wrinkle in Time” until right now. :/
oh..
Well I never read it but I might own an old dusty book somewhere -quite old. Still certainly heard of it. A Newbery Medal Award winner that didnt have a dying dog.
Im gonna meme but speak the truth nonetheless...(sigh)...Me too kid.
Lol...i read it for that battle of the books thing you did in elementary school
@@DeeDee-cn2qr :o I never did thaaa (T_T)
IT is made of P.E.E
(Pure.Evil.Energy)
JJ cookie keeper over 9,000
Point
Evidence
Explain
@@nadiajoiner6243 ... srsly MUST you do this to me? 😑
That's why he lives in the sewer😂😂
EXACTLY
Hehehehehhe you said pee
That's it! MatPat's a couple nuts short of a fruitcake. I am NOT buying it.
Ha ha ha
I read that as it came up on the vid lol
Edit: omg why does this have so many likes?
Did you comment this at 11:58 a.m.?
@@santicheeks1106 yes
Looks like someone hasn’t read the dark tower
Me: ʜᴇᴀʀs ᴛᴇssᴇʀᴀᴄᴛ
Me: THATS IT! ᏆᎢ IS IN THE WRINKLE IN TIME AND THANOS IS ACTUALLY ANOTHER FORM OF ᏆᎢ
PEACE OUT
Ha ha ha
no cause he said that a tesseract is an actual thing but it doenst have to be the one from avengers, the one from avengers is just their own universes tesseract, and in wrinkle in time they have their own form of a tesseract just like marvel, so theres no way that thanos, the wise villian who acts so comepletley different comapred to it, is related to pennywise or is even related to the same universe as pennywise, they literally have nothing to do with eachother.
@@CosExplored It was a joke bruh
@@CosExplored The frack why are you taking this joke out of context?
I made this prediction in class one time while we were watching the movie and everyone said my theory was stupid 😂😂
They said I was a madman....
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What a bunch of uncultured swines
thats usually how young people treat anyone not conforming to average intelligence, either above or below it
7:23 Thats not Bill....that's Stan!
*7:53
Ikr 😂😂😂
I came to the comments to see if anyone already menationed it lol
What if thats because in his gravity falls theory he claims that the character Stan Pines is actually Bill Cipher
Poor Wyatt
Matt's theories are always out of this world but makes so much sense to me....i love it haha
This one is not so out of this world tbh. Artist always get "inspiration" from other previous works, even if they don't want to, they do IT (hehe) unconsciously.
I found it dull.
Matt Spicer mr deepak
Matt Spicer yeah I agree
I have problems with your life
Every now and then, you see a Film Theory episode that makes you second guess whether or not it's April 1st.
I find it annoying that he barely does any real science episodes on game theory and film theory. I like lore episodes, but I think he should do some proper science episodes.
Taylor Pease
Some times he nails it but then he says "it's a theory"
I don't know this one seemed pretty good, it's not as convoluted as other theories out there are, and he makes a great deal of connections to both of them, so I say it's a reasonable question and a fine theory overall.
Yeah I miss those too, but I'm fine with the lore ones, and I always find it's more important that the creator does what they want because it leads to a more quality, or one more full of love or whatever the word to describe it as, since they aren't just padding to one group, sure it may make them less popular, but it'll keep the job fun and entertaining so they can keep putting their heart and soul into making one.
@@foxtrotgaming4684 why don't you just wach the ones with Austin in them
Neil Gaiman's "Stardust" has a star turning into a human, so does Greek mythology. His "American Gods" series has something similar to time/space travel with the "behind the scenes" travel which takes place.
Tesseract... Loki? Thor? Avengers? No?
Ok.
Gacha Izzy stop
TealBabyYT Hey you can’t tell ppl what to do
Pennywise is Thanos
Remember how redskull traveled all the way to the other planet instantly with the “tesseract”
@@theg.o.a.t5307 to the soul stone if you watched infinity war
whenever people talk about the king multiverse sometimes they leave out the dark tower or kind of leave it as an afterthought or a supportive story, which doesn’t really make sense to me because the dark tower (both the books and the actual tower in them) is the connection point between every world, including every other king book
Yup
And it features The Crimson King(Basically IT) ,Randall Flagg(the best fking villain in the Kingverse) and the most badass protagonist in the Kingverse
I hate that fact. It’s easily one of the better King books (though there all really good) and it’s obvious it’s pivotal for the lore of his books. It makes the spirits of the overlook, the ancient being in the form of a clown somewhat explainable and yet more scary (because some believe penny wise may be the same evil as the over look and that the crimson king is that evil) because they exist in evil and villainy across the multiverse which makes it infinite and all powerful
I love the fact there are people who still read books, not just watch movies. 🤗
You’ve probably read this comment already but at 7:59 it pointed to Wyatt who played Stan not Bill :/
King Kerrie yeah i noticed that too
King Kerrie I thought I’d see more comments about this. Glad I wasn’t the only one
He still has the shining though
Yeah, I saw that.
I was just about to comment about that
There was a Stephen king novel called ‘The Colorado Kid’ which was later adapted into a loosely based TV series called ‘Haven’. Haven is the name of a town also in main, and Derry is a town mentioned as a real place rather frequently. In this show, there are these afflictions creatively named ‘The Troubles’. The troubles were created by a woman who was from another universe. These troubles would cause people to have strange abilities, some of these include:
Putting anyone you touch in extreme pain
Not being able to feel anything
Anything you touch turning to shreds (people included)
Only being able to breathe underwater
Controlling the weather
Being a skin walker
Telekenisis
Reading minds
Moving to fast for anyone to see you
And more.
These troubles when they were first created over a hundred years ago, would pass through generations of families. Something that’s significant is that emotional trauma is what brings them out.
As punishment for creating these ‘Troubles’, the woman who created them was forced into a prison for 27 years, and when she returned to Haven she would have had her memory wiped and have the false memories of another woman given to her, and by the end of her stay there, she would have to return to her prison, and when she did, there would be a meteor shower called ‘The Hunter’ that only happened every 27 years when she went away and the Troubles would be temporarily gone and would come back 27 years later.
I have a theory that Carrie could have had a Trouble. She had a series of traumatic events that brought it out, and she had a relative that had something similar, and there was something different about her genetically, like the people in Haven who had troubles. Same with the Shinning, it could be another trouble.
I dunno if this theory is tru tho
Nice theory but... WHERE IS THE RON IS VOLDEMORT THEORY????
Grand Master Yoda yea i mean the facts are there
craig artz it's a joke idiot
Robbie Is da best Ahem...That's what she said :P
*facepalm*
Wow he might as well do a Ron is dumbaldor theory
Did anyone else noticed that Pennywise looks like Ronald Mcdonald's lost cousin?
Spoilers!
yep
Nooo😐
Did you even watch the movie? That was the big plot twist, duh!
Wilson Team Hey! He kills more children through his diabetes disguised as fast food
MatPat what's your MBTI? I'm doing an in-depth study of theorizations and RUclips channels
First to reply too u
I'm a big fan of you!
The Theorizer sup dude
Oof
The Theorizer looking forward to it
Didn’t IT come to eath millions of years before the events of both books?
None of this holds up once you add in the other books in the wrinkle in time series. It’s a Christian sifi-religious universe. The brothers of meg and Charles even went to help build the ark before the flood. The lore of wot is very tied to the Bible and God, explored with crazy Sifi lol. It’s a fun read.
IT came before but the turtle was there with IT before going to earth. The title is in the wrinkle in time and it’s perfect timing for both.
I love how you said "IT" and not pennywise, because that is correct, IT I just a light or better known as the dead lights. That is it's true form, pennywise is just a name for the clown form. Thank you for using the true name
Di you mean Maturin? Maturin is a god, but later after Bill defeats It he feels a greater being that is not Maturin tell him he, “did a good job, kid” from outside the universe. So you could say God does exist in It.
2018's biggest kids movie? miss me with that smh Incredibles 2 is where it's at
Adiyan Ahmed can't wait for that movie. Hopefully it doesn't suck.
True
7:58 That’s not Bill, that’s Stanley
but Stanley kills himself
Derp Milo YEAH
"that has nothing to do with it..."
but Stanley can't be alive if he's dead, dummy
Emerald Gamer yes it does Stan doesn’t fight IT with his mind
I thought I was going crazy
( 7:52 ) **Says Bill** **points to stan**
Ooooh, now i get... xD
Simplyyy Chey LMAO
*thinks you’re talking about Gravity Falls*
Charlotte Vermeiren OMG I THOUGHT THAT TOO
Glad I wasn’t the only person who noticed😂😂
Mat, you do know that there’s something called a family kiss?
While yes, not on the lips exactly, it still works.
oh well this is from 2 yrs ago I doubt anybody will see this.
@Sparky Shock where
Here’s another similarity between the two books in the novel A Wrinkle In Time IT Refers to itself as “The Happiest Sadist” that sure seems to mirror the personality of Pennywise The Dancing Clown flawlessly.
No u
Limelight Raver hbb
*_Am I the only one TRIGGERED that they had Pennywise hold a BLUE balloon the entire video?_*
Nimr Al Nimri well, if that triggers you, read the book.
And the fact they pointed to Stan when talking about bill...
Nimr Al Nimri thats not pennywise thats moneysmarts the funny guy
I know, right!?!? They could've gotten an orange one! Heck, even a rainbow one! It would've been creepier, too!!!
Nimr Al Nimri yes, yes ur not
at the begining:wtf
after the video: All hail the mighty Matpat
Why does this have so many likes ????
7:53
Matpat:"Bill Denbrough is the leader of the Losers
Also Matpat: *points to Wyatt Oleff, the dude that played Stanley Uris
Hey matpat I have a theory for you! Are the food stunts in “Cloudy With a Chance of Meatballs” actually plausible? I’ve posted this theory on you’re “Bee Movie” and “The Incredibles” videos and they’re going to be more detailed than this one. But to sum them up: Flint and the villagers pull off some impossible stunts throughout the film like using BREAD AS A BOAT last time I check bread gets soggy in a snap, grilled cheese form of not. And that based on their geographic location on the globe, creating an ice cream snow day on an island near the equator would lead to a melty soupy ice cream mess. One commenter on my theory/question also mentioned that all this food would cause destruction to the environment. I’m sure that fish aren’t too fond of Ben & Jerry’s Neapolitan ice cream entering their waters. The major builds a dam to hold the leftover food but wouldn’t it smell and how would you clean up melted ice cream? Please like so he can see this.
Oranji- Spec No. Done.
What was even the point of this request? You just answered yourself.
This is a movie about food weather why the hell are you thinking about science?
Too long didn’t read
Naveil like I have said, I’ve posted this question on two previous videos and that this is more of a quick breakdown of them. The question is about how/if it’s possible for any of the stunts Flint does in the movie work. I use the ice cream and grilled cheese examples as they’re the most rememberable and the ones I remembered when I first originally posted the very first time on another video. After reading replies it was also mentioned that all the excess waste could cause damage to the environment and climate so I mentioned that here. How long would it take for the island to return to its natural state, what effects would all that good have on the islanders’s bodies, how would local wildlife be effected? All these questions are why I posted
"Bill Denbrough" arrow points at Stan Uris
AidenTheSloth glad im not the only one that noticed that , thought i was insane
i literally was about to comment that lmao
Bill wasn’t even the group picture!!! it got on my nerves a little😂😂
AidenTheSloth "Richie Troser"
Ikr
"Bill Denbrough, the stuttering leader of the-"
Nice try, Stanley.
And here I thought a wrinkle in time could be related to doctor strange
Yeah
who says it cant be he just needs to find some direct or indirect links that use the wrinkle as a middle man
Or the avengers, remember when Thor brought Loki back to Asgard using Tesseract planethopping?
Lol same
If anything, STRANGER THINGS is related to A Wrinkle In Time
I'm lost in time...
if anyone can spare a penny and guide me to the nearest natural wrinkle that'd be nice...
SAME;-;
jan harald same😤
Same :(
Me neither what the hell
jan harald Me neither! I already tapped the notification bell.
I was gonna say matpat lost his marbles
But damn
BludieTV You need to loose at least some of your marbles for this job.
Gotta part company with the "humans-as-stars" point when it comes to The Dark Tower. Roland was only reciting a parable about the stars used as navigation tools in Roland's where/when. In A Wrinkle In Time, actual cosmic entities shared details of their lifetime. The similarity of concept is not confirmed.
Yes it’s like a myths, so it sorta is a bit distorted this theory
7:58 that’s not bill that’s Stan
Scott Bros Vlogz IKR, I said that too...
thats what i was thinking
Scott Bros Vlogz I think he showed the kid who tried out for bill originally
Scott Bros Vlogz i know i was looking in the comment all over for someone who noticed that to '😁
TheOnly Wolf same I even looked on IMDb
Do a Coraline theory! One of my favorite movies :). Great video by the way.
Gave me nightmares as a kid.
Shpee ditto
Kevin Sherwood YES YES YES
Gave me dreams as a kid
7:53 that’s not Bill... that’s Stan...
BrainFart THANK YOU.
He did a vid on how Stan is bill
Whattt
I WAS ABOUT TO COMMENT THAT. thats wyatt oleff. Bill is played by jaeden lieberher
Robert Merrill when did he make that?
My personal pennywise theory is that either he is the same species or the same entity as Mary Poppins.
7:53 Oh MatPat, that's not Bill. That's Stan.
jampetant Thank god I'm not the only one who caught that. 👏🏻 Its okay though, everyone makes mistakes lol.
jampetant Was just about to mention that lol
jampetant that buged me soon mutch
So I'm not the only one who noticed
Ayy I was just about to write that!
3:50 matpat:” the tesseract “
Me: “marvel is they you?!”
love the intro XD *YOU GET AN EXPLANATION* *YOU GET AN EXPLANATION* *AND YOU GET AN EXPLANATION* *EVERYBODY GETS AN EXPLANATION*
Edit: Thx Matpat for pinning this comment, also thanks everyone for the likes :3 You made my day 100% better
When he pointed to the wrong actor I started laughing so hard. Like dude, you do mathematics, research on the dark web but you can't look up what kid plays Bill?!😂
Cry Baby X same!! Lol Matpat! 😂😂😂
Worth noting that was a mistake made by the guy they pay to edit the video and choose the graphics not by mat pat
Lol I have the same reaction
LMAOMAOMAOMAO I THOUGHT I WAS THE ONLY ONE
He didn’t really point at Finn if you saw the pumpkin, he was pointing from the pumpkin to Finn and the mathematics to Eddie even tho Eddie doesn’t do math in the movie....I would think you would know that if you payed attention...he probably knew bill wasn’t in the picture and that’s why he showed a clip
"Hopefully he loses that ability when his sister hits puberty"
The book has sequels you know. And spoilers, he doesn't.
wratched 😶😨👹 🙌
She's already hit puberty at the time this book is set
7:50
Matpat: *Points at bill*
Me:That's not bill.... He wasn't even in the picture!
Hey matpat this will probably get lost in this sea of comments but I would like to inform you that humans turning into Stars is actually something very common in older fantasy books one of the most popular books right now that contains a star becoming a human and vice versa is CS Lewis's The Voyage of the Dawn Treader and another one that contains this is one of my favorite book series James A Owen's The Chronicles of the Imaginarium geographica and from what I can tell it's also in a few older folk tales from Europe based on Christian stories
Chronicles of McBitchery Neil Gaiman’s Stardust also features a star turning into a human. It’s a good one.
Wayward Doe
anything by Neil Gaiman is a good one and thanks for suggesting it
watching movies all day long today
Honestly... I think even Disney has it too.
"bill denburough," * pulls up picture and points to Wyatt Oleff who plays Stanly Uris* Me: What? are you drunk or somthing?
funny story uhhh, wyatt actually auditioned for a roll as bill but the director decided to cast him as stan
@RandomnessArLizu the grammar is correct. the spelling is incorrect.
@RandomnessArLizu Its a RUclips comment, I dont think grammar is needed.
@RandomnessArLizu hm, you are correct.
my apologies.
@RandomnessArLizu so just because he missed putting in commas where they're supposed to be means he's more drunk? Lmfao you're hilarious.
I was actually seriously concerned for MatPat's health until I saw how old this was and realized he wasn't dead, because I was wondering if he was running a heavy fever when it was made. Most of the connections are very common story tropes, the bit about the "people becoming stars" is only literal in Wrinkle In Time... in Dark Tower it's a myth, and because that world is a twinner for a version of the 'real' world it's basically based on the whole 'people becoming constellations thing' (heck, one of the names is a mangling of Cassiopeia, a real world constellation), which is about as old as surviving fiction itself. Saying it means people literally turn into stars in both worlds is like insisting Slenderman is real in ours because there are myths. And he straight up describes tesseracts and todash space as being two VERY different methods for crossing long distances (one bypasses by warping space time so you aren't crossing ANY other space, the other is essentially making a shortcut through Cthulhu's back yard) and then says they're the same. That's like saying X-Men's Magik going through Limbo to teleport is identical to the Star Trek teleporter. There are no valid similarities here. Look, I even liked and saw valid points in the Sans/Ness theory, but this one... I think this was the first Game Theory ep I ever had to downvote.
stars who are people is also a thing in narnia
Also one of the connections between wrinkle in time and IT was the main characters are traumatized kids 😂
The tesseract is used to travel through space! Hmmm... matpat I think this a much bigger universe then u thought
Marvel is part of it! But that’s just a theory! A film theory!
ALL MOVIES ARE CONNECTED
@@iam2.052 Through the cinematic multiverse
@@iam2.052 Space Jam 2 proved that.
Hey if marvels apart of that let’s not forget that phines and ferb crossover
*i’m getting very comfortable with that shrugging guy*
What has Matt pat been smoking I want in
Same here
I hope his "product" is availanle worldwide
Hi getting very comfortable with that shrugging guy
camhasproblems maybe too comfortable ( u ❤️ him )
In my opinion, this would have been more believable if Matpat had drawn parallels between the Dark one and The Crimson king, who, as the ultimate evil of Stephen King's universe would have fit more. And if not him, I'd still say Randall Flagg would be a more fitting choice.
How the clown stole time
StevieStyle sounds like a blockbuster movie
Alexa C. Sure does! XD
StevieStyle I
id watch that movie like if you agree :3 plz
STOPPP FOLLOOOOWWWWIIIINNNGGGG MMMMMMMEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
What if I told you!!! That authors frequently steal from other authors. Original ideas are either dead or have been reinterpreted to sound different.
Artak091 he would probably make a theory about it
Nothing is ever original. We all take inspiration from things that have taken inspiration from other things that have taken inspiration and so on.
that is every idea ever. "original" was never "original" just an idea that has been established before and enough variation to create something fresh and different. it's only bad if it's just the exact same thing down to the bone and claimed as "own".
Like his theories
du skrattar du förlorar
King has admitted to drawing inspiration from many authors (namely Tolkien) and has left easter eggs leading back to their works all over his novels. I wasn't aware of this connection, so this was cool to watch.
7:56 "Bill Denborough" You are pointing at stanley
I love that Matt pointed at Wyatt and was like, OMG ITS BILL
Just remember guys:
Stealing from 1 author is called plagiarism, stealing from multiple is called research.
No technicalities needed...
If it's a joke.
Charlene Carreon take out the smart and you got it
Nikolai Ivanovich Lobachevsky would be proud.
ruclips.net/video/IL4vWJbwmqM/видео.html
You try telling that to your uni lecturer
why is this so funny
12:56 , I have never heard a more beautiful voice.
Do you think that maybe the chronicles of Narnia might happen in the Steven king universe too?
For one, the kids are always pulled instantly from one world to another, and no matter how long they're in Narnia, they always get back at the exact moment they left. For another, in Narnia, it is Canon that stars are people, and when they get old, they come back to earth.
That would be such an awesome connection! But hey, that's just a theory. A FILM theory! Thanks for reading.
Dorrie LeMaster Well hey, while we're at it, Lord of the Rings was written within the Narniaverse. Not only were JRR Tolkien and CS Louis best friends, but they wrote the books together, and Louis even references the multiverse with the pools (portals) in the wood between worlds. Middle Earth is commonly thought to be one of those pools. On top of that, in order to use these pools, you needed a special RING which basically functioned as a TESSERACT to transport you.
Zack Bryson oh my word yes! That's amazing! Thank you!
omg i thought the same thing
Dorrie LeMaster A lion named Aslan is even in the dark tower series too. He's a guardian of the tower
Zack Bryson Me gosh yes, and (not a tesseract [BELIEF, CHILDREN, BELIEF!]) remember the last Narnianan Book where they learned they have been in a train wreck in Earth? And Peter mentions Susan didn't come because of her not believing.
If you pause at 5:23 with the book page, if you read further down the page, you can also see Meg trying to resist the control of the Black Thing by remembering nursery rhymes like "Georgie, porgie, pudding, and pie..."
Little Coincidink?
😵😱😵 that’s crazy!
KyleRinas But you have no content.
do a coraline theory
lindsey xoxx their is a theory that IT and coraline are connected and the monster lady from coraline is the same monster species as penny wise you can look it up on you tube for more information
lindsey xoxx
*yES*
YESSSSS
Nah watch the Theoriser's video on it
lindsey xoxx YES
YOur character animation's getting a lot better. Keep it up, my man.
“That’s a pretty unique concept. Stars that take human form and vice versa.” Is it really such a unique concept? It not only happened in the stories you mentioned, but I also remember it in The Chronicles of Narnia: Voyage of the Dawn Treader, and Percy Jackson and the Olympians: The Titan’s Curse. Not to mention The Blue Fairy in Pinnochio.
Caspian’s future wife was the daughter of a Star, wasn’t she? I seem to remember Ramandu’s island. But you are right, that definitely did happen in The Last Battle.
Also Stardust by Neil Gaiman.
Also many, many different times in Mythology. Such as Orion and the Scorpion, or Canis Major and Canis Minor.
Thanatos Erebusson I think he meant that it was a unique concept when Steven King wrote IT. As a side note, those are some great books.
Zachary Gilmore Agreed, they are some of my favorites.
“That’s exactly what BILL uses...”
Points to Stan-
*_Long ago, I, Aku, unleashed unspeakable evil, then one foolish samurai warrior stood up to oppose me, and when he tried to strike the last blow, I sent him into the future where my evil is law, and now he is trying to go back to the past and defeat the evil that is Aku._*
@@CadetGriffin 👍
I see those Cinema Sins references.
Props.
Saint Markus ye I know haha
Filip Micevski fuck you
Saint Markus lol same
I’ve read the book before I saw the movie in theaters. My aunt got me the whole series and because the movie was based on the first book I tried to at least finish the first book. I did and I LOVED it. The movie was amazing, but I was let down a little. They left out sooo many good parts. I started to read the second book but got kinda bored so I started reading a different book. I tried to go back to it but couldn’t. If you also read the book please like this comment. Matt Pat, I love you videos, they are AMAZING. Keep up the AMAZING work. If you can please respond it would mean so much to me. I’m one of your biggest fans. I wish everyone an amazing day, afternoon, evening, or/and night. Have a FANTASTIC second, minute, hour, day, week, month, year, life.
(P.S. if I spelled your name wrong I’m so sorry I haven’t made a comment on your video including you name.)
I love the book too! I'm trying to compare the first book, the graphic novel and the movie before I read the rest of the books, though.
What are you going to do now MatPat, connect Stranger Things and Riverdale! (Plz Do)
XD
Great episode though!
Stranger things and American horror story's
Stranger Things and the Cloverfield Universe
But Riverdale fucking sucks!
Senpai he should make a tf2 video that dont make everyone rage :P
They have to have something incommensurables you can’t just put them together
IS PENNYWISE NESS???
pen(ness)ywise
Wow
+Sarc Hasamm (peness)vwise
Azathoth No, don’t be stupid.
He’s obviously Gaster.
Hes sans
My cousin saw it I told her to tell me about it and she told me the lady with the red hair turned into a flying lettuce I started laughing so hard 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
well if she read the book in school before the movie like me they say she has the head of lettuce
She did lmao
It’s true tho 😂😂😂
Liza!!!!!!!
*a wrinkle in Time
Some readers think you meant "It"
You really have to love that film theory theme song
do a theory on the lorax. Focus on the mom of Onceler. I saw her in the song" How bad can i be", and then in the "let it grow song ", you can find her near 1 : 32 seconds
the commenter at 1:49 was Jake Epping, the main character in Stephen King's 11/22/63. just thought that was a cool little easter egg.
7:53 “Bill Denbrough” uh that’s stan
KathyKittyKat lol
KathyKittyKat I was like dam matpat!!!!
Thanks for complaining first so I don't have to be "that guy"
i was gonna comment that! I was like "Aaaaand that's Stan The Man Urine."
I know it's a little ship but...DAAAAAAAAAMMMMMMMMNNNNNN MATAPT'S GONNA HAVE TO WATCH IT!!! Or re-watch It.
"Meg gets Charles out of his catatonia state, not by kissing him cause they're brother and sister, but by her telling him how much she loves him"
Me: so family not allowed to kiss each other on the forehead or on the cheek anymore??????
with thousands of books and movies in existence, basic generalized archetypes are bound to be similar.. especially considering humans seek patterns.
I think I can actually back up this theory. See, MatPat mentions how Todashing can make you get trapped in the void where monsters lurk if you're not careful, and in the WIT movie, Meg at multiple points gets trapped in a strange dark place where she feels as if she's going to die afterwards after Tesseracting, which sounds an awful lot like what would happen if you were trapped in a void full of monsters, and a similar thing happens in 1 of the WIT books I read where before appearing at her destination, Meg was trapped in nothing but a pure black void. And also remember how he said Charles has the Shine, well while losing a father wouldn't exactly count as abuse, what happens after does. Meg, at multiple times in her life at school, gets bullied because of what happened to her father and bullied in general, Charles sometimes reads her minds during these experiences, meaning he is feeling and going through the abuse that Meg is at the same time she does, effectively making him in a way abused to the point of gaining a Shine. And I also realized something, Mrs. Who. Mrs. Which, and Mrs. Whatsit are 3 human-ish people who become stars just like Apon, Casseopeoia, and Lydia, who's to say those 3 didn't somehow become the 3 Mrs. And then there's something else, the fact that the Black Thing is supposedly Pennywise, well while the Black Thing is just something from another planet and Pennywise is said to be from a different universe, that just proves they are 1 and the same. The Black Thing, knowing that others like the Mrs. and Megan and Charles and the others are clear threats to its existence, could've traveled to another universe, the universe of the Steven King books, and continued its rampage of fear there
That is a good thory
The only thing I'd correct is that he says the Shine is caused by childhood trauma which loosing a parent would count as. Also, if it was caused by abuse, then he wouldn't have been able to read his sister's mind to gain the Shine because the Shine is telepathy
Go commit yeetus deletus despacitus
Zap Craftihoof You should do a mega collaboration with MatPat about any Disney movie like it would be AWESOME 😎
Ok
That intro though...
I want an explanation too!!!!
Yep
D0CT0R PIV0T
You used pivot to make your avatar
correct :D
😅😂🤣
But hey,that's just a THEORY,a Film THEORY
Me:Why does this sound familiar?
Channel 3, Book Theory?
Sword and Keyboard ...yes please
Woah!! Yet another one
Sword and Keyboard Literature theory? LETOTURE THEORY
Persues Jackson, but that's just a theory, a literature theory!?
Yes please!!! I know MatPat is busy though so it probably won't happen... :(
To be fair, like every movie ends with an act of love.
Nicolas Stier I thought in the book they had sex
bob berry yep they did raw and all and the reason why king did that was because he said he was high on crack or drunk or something
Lore Theorist
He's doing some Macroverse drugs
My class is reading the time book and uh.. we r upto the chapter the black thing. WOWIE. IM GONNA GO YELL OUT SPOILERS WHEN I GET BACK TO SCHOOL HAHAHAHAH
You go dude, we’re all proud of you. Now! Go spoil that book! 👍🏻
Hey me too
im gonna be the only one to say it, but mat the fact that you are taking your time in all your theories makes me want to do a theory on you about why you are making theories.
Its official Matpat can convince me on anything👍
Next thing he will convince you that you're adopted even if you aren't and you will believe him
He can tell me im a clone of another human who died a long time ago and i'll believe it.
@@inky5574 im pretty sure somewhere on the internet this theory was debunked 5 month's ago
Pewdiepie IS T-series
BUT HEY-
yep
7:55 Why did you point at the kid playing Stan?
Editing error?
Also happened at his Dark Souls 3 Episode, where someone mistook Patches for Siegward of Catarina