0:00 Intro 1:04 *Selecting the right instrument* -> 1:25 Homemade Bach Trumpet -> 2:36 Kanstul CHI1000 -> 3:40 1990s Martin Comittee -> 4:17 1960s Conn Connstellation -> 5:15 Die Flügelhörner ;) 6:22 *Instrument Summary and Recording Intro* - Instrument handling/Performing -> 6:40 Sound is relative & how to improve it -> 7:51 A little talk about using reverb -> 8:26 Learning by doing 8:44 *The Microphone* -> 8:53 Ribbon Microphones -> 10:11 Ribbons on a budget & DIY mods -> 10:53 Treating Ribbon Microphones -> 11:13 Royer R-101 -> 12:07 Royer R-122 -> 12:53 Sure SM57 -> 13:33 Experiments with the Sure SM57 to make it sound like a Ribbon -> 14:15 Neumann TLM 103 -> 14:27 Adressing a Microphone + Placement (Tone shaping) -> 15:31 Proximity effect demonstration -> 16:09 Microphone experiments summary -> 17:01 Neumann TLM 103 capsule photo + History and application 17:37 *Preamps* -> 17:47 PreSonus TubePre v2 & Different sounds by changing Tubes -> 18:23 Purpose of a Preamp -> -> 18:58 Phantom Power 20:06 *Compressor* - How and why to use a compressor 21:33 *Compressor summary and intro to the Tascam DP-008 8-Track recorder* -> 21:58 Recorder interface overview -> 22:14 Talkin' about pan and the stereo stage -> 4:06 Recorder summary & Why it's not optimal 25:02 *Restroom recording studio* -> 25:15 Acoustic treatment methods -> 26:20 Microphone placement again + some more acoustic treatment options 27:49 *Punch-In footswitch pedal* 28:42 *Post-Processing with Adobe Audition* -> 29:32 Multitracking with the Tascam and Audition 30:21 SUMMARY OF IT ALL "I hope this has been helpful." There's a LOT of information in this video, and this is my attempt to structure it. cheers
Thanks for taking the time to do this. I learned a lot. I don't always understand it all, but I will try some of it and experiment..like you say.Thanks Dave!!!
Dave, amazing video. I have only recently learned to play with an unobstructed air column. I had to visualize aligning my head, neck, and torso. And also keep the adam's apple low. At first it was by feel and now it I know by feel and by my tone. I only learned this b/c I kept trying to improve my tone to sound as good as you and Alexander Kulish, and others. I'm still learning but i feel I am improving. I can't wait to try recording. Thanks again, man. Frank
Hey Dave first of all, thanks for your video and your info about your equipments really useful. Im glad you admire Arturo Sandoval. We both were born in Cuba, different generations of course, but he's our idol, we love him. To me, he's technically and physically speaking the most complete musician/ trumpeter in the world. He plays so many other instruments as well at a high level. All his Grammys and things he has achieved like doctorate in Music etc ( being born so poor ) are well deserved bcoz he loves music and has fought so much for it. Ok back to my concern :) Im a trumpet player who double in other instruments. Im using a Shure SM7B cardioid dynamic mic for recording sax, trombone and trumpets. It's said to be a legendary vocal Mic since Michael Jackson recorded Thriller with it and lots of radio station uses it. Well, so far it has sounded good to me, but also using a Macbook Pro and Logic Pro X, Quartet apogee interface, I dont have any preamp or compressor. 1. Do you think it is necessary to use a preamp an compressor for recording brasses? BTW I heard that Telefunken M80 Dynamic Microphone is amazing for recording horns, bcoz it gives you a flat natural sound like the old Shures 57. I'd like to try a ribbon mic. 2. Do you have any affordable recommendation? My major concern right now is about how to place the foam all around the room & ceiling to avoid feedbacks and my neighbors' complaints. 3. Any idea? Lastly. I think that even though we try to not spend too much money on this, we always end up doing it lol, since you need to experiment and make changes based on your own sound, room acoustic and equipments as we don't use the same items or have the same environment. Thanks and all the best.
Hmm, I thought to get the most out of a figure 8 ribbon is to place it away from the walls, taking into account that on basically all ribbons the rear is capturing the sound in a 180° reversed phase, that's what gives the horns the round sound character, or so I thought. I guess I have to try out your way too.
Hey, thanks so much Jonathan. I need to get back to recording!! I miss it!! Just so busy doing other things right now.
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Wow! loved this vid! I learned a lot! I would like to see your work with other trumpets. Do you have a web or a facebook page? And also, let me know if you sell any of your equipment!
Thanks so much for your comments! Yes, I do have a website. It's called Dave's Bach Trumpet Page: www.electrotheremin.com/bach.html Yes, I've sold quite a few of my project horns over the years. But it's been a long time since I've had time to work on a custom project. Thanks for watching!
I just picked up a tascam dp-008, just wondering is there any new advice on recording trumpet. Are you till using the same set up in your recent video? Thanks. Oh yeah how often you use the tml 103?
Dave, thank you for all the info here. It is very helpful. Would you consider the Royer 101 comparable to a 121? Thinking about getting one of these for trumpet, clarinet, and maybe violin.
Thanks for your kind words! I think the 101 is an excellent mic! I use mine quite a lot as it's the mic I keep out at all times. It doesn't have the gain or signal that the 122 has and its self noise is going to be a little higher. You'd also need a clean sounding pre amp with the 101. But its overall sound is so comparable, if not identical, to the 122. The 122 on the other hand is phantom powered (active) and has a high, clean output, and is less dependent on the quality of pre amp. I bought my 122 new, but found an excellent, barely used 101 on ebay at a great deal. The 101 is great. Also, if you ever have questions about any of the Royer products, their people are excellent. They've got a great website with lots of resources, they're on facebook, and they'll talk on the phone too!
I generally use a Royer 122 into a Presonus tube pre amp into an ART Pro VLA II compressor into a Tascam DP-008. That was when I was recording a lot. Now I usually have a Royer R 101 set up all the time for spontaneous jams and it’s run directly into a Tascam DP-800EX. I do editing and mastering in Adobe Audition.
I'm trying to take trumpet lessons online, due to COVID-19. Currently, I and my online teacher are using an iPad, which I now know is the reason why my instructor can't differentiate between and everything in-between. What kind of recording equipment would I need to take lessons online, and at the same time, spend tons of money on recording equipment rather than spending money on upgrading to a better trumpet (I'm now using an intermediate Yamaha YTR-4335GII, Intermediate Bb Trumpet). Any suggestions?
I'm thinking about getting a 1965 conn constellation trumpet. What do you think about these horns? Will I get a semi flugelhorn sound out of it? I have a warm tone already. I've been improv a lot. And listening to a lot of Chet baker
Oh, man, it's THE horn for getting that sound. And Chet used it in the late 1970s too. Gives a fugely/cornety kind of sound. Somewhere on my channel I think I did Nature Boy on the Connstellation. Great horn! Very unique sound. Super quick response too! Oh, and I'm petty certain mine's from 65 as well!
Awesome! Thanks for making it that was really cool :) I have one question, when recording trumpet, if the microphone has a pop filter that goes over the microphone should I take it off or leave it on?
Hi Rob. Thanks! Glad you like the video! If it's a foam windscreen, I would probably remove it so you get the clearest sound going in. Anything you put over a mic is going to change its sound if even ever so slightly.
+DavesTrumpet I enjoyed the Conn Constellation 38b but the one I looked at was pretty worn out and they wouldn't come down on the price. I ended up getting a good deal on a Cannonball 789 with a reverse lead pipe. Bigger bell than the constellation and has an awesome sound that blends well with my tone. It sounds just like what I imagined the conn to sound like. Raw Brass too.
Tom Pelton I'm not familiar with that mic, but most mics react in a similar way. I occasionally use a large diaphragmatic condenser mic, but mostly ribbons these days, but the basics apply to both types. First, make sure the mic is rated for high spls (sound pressure levels). Every mic has its limit as to how much pressure can be forced onto it. If you're not playing extremely close to the mic at loud volumes, you're probably ok. Typical distance from end of bell to mic in usual trumpet tracking is going to be around one to two feet. Secondly, check the gain on your pre amp, or whatever you're inputting the mic's signal into. Preamps are usually going to have level indicators to indicate clipping of the mic's signal. If that checks out, then check the gain level at your board or recorder. You'll also have a level indicator here too in typical audio setups. Now, all that I just wrote assumes you're using a traditional audio chain path into the various components along this path (mic, pre, compressor (opt), interface, board (opt.), recorder, etc). If you're doing something differently like running the mic output directly into a source, you're probably going to have to figure out a way to lower the level going into it. And lastly, mics are generally delicate. Hopefully the mic isn't damaged, but you could check by monitoring (or recording) the sound and with the mic in your hand, give it a gentle wave back and forth to make sure there's no damage to it. Hope that helps. Let me know what you find.
0:00 Intro
1:04 *Selecting the right instrument*
-> 1:25 Homemade Bach Trumpet
-> 2:36 Kanstul CHI1000
-> 3:40 1990s Martin Comittee
-> 4:17 1960s Conn Connstellation
-> 5:15 Die Flügelhörner ;)
6:22 *Instrument Summary and Recording Intro*
- Instrument handling/Performing
-> 6:40 Sound is relative & how to improve it
-> 7:51 A little talk about using reverb
-> 8:26 Learning by doing
8:44 *The Microphone*
-> 8:53 Ribbon Microphones
-> 10:11 Ribbons on a budget & DIY mods
-> 10:53 Treating Ribbon Microphones
-> 11:13 Royer R-101
-> 12:07 Royer R-122
-> 12:53 Sure SM57
-> 13:33 Experiments with the Sure SM57 to make it sound like a Ribbon
-> 14:15 Neumann TLM 103
-> 14:27 Adressing a Microphone + Placement (Tone shaping)
-> 15:31 Proximity effect demonstration
-> 16:09 Microphone experiments summary
-> 17:01 Neumann TLM 103 capsule photo + History and application
17:37 *Preamps*
-> 17:47 PreSonus TubePre v2 & Different sounds by changing Tubes
-> 18:23 Purpose of a Preamp
-> -> 18:58 Phantom Power
20:06 *Compressor*
- How and why to use a compressor
21:33 *Compressor summary and intro to the Tascam DP-008 8-Track recorder*
-> 21:58 Recorder interface overview
-> 22:14 Talkin' about pan and the stereo stage
-> 4:06 Recorder summary & Why it's not optimal
25:02 *Restroom recording studio*
-> 25:15 Acoustic treatment methods
-> 26:20 Microphone placement again + some more acoustic treatment options
27:49 *Punch-In footswitch pedal*
28:42 *Post-Processing with Adobe Audition*
-> 29:32 Multitracking with the Tascam and Audition
30:21 SUMMARY OF IT ALL
"I hope this has been helpful."
There's a LOT of information in this video, and this is my attempt to structure it.
cheers
Das TIER Wow, thank you!!!!
Outstanding valuable insight into your method for recording instruments! Thank you Dave!
Thank you very much, Jim, for your kind words!!!!!
Thanks for taking the time to do this. I learned a lot. I don't always understand it all, but I will try some of it and experiment..like you say.Thanks Dave!!!
Thanks so much! Since I'm essentially self taught in regards to recording, I get lost in a lot of the terminology myself too! Wishing you the best!
Dave, amazing video. I have only recently learned to play with an unobstructed air column. I had to visualize aligning my head, neck, and torso. And also keep the adam's apple low. At first it was by feel and now it I know by feel and by my tone. I only learned this b/c I kept trying to improve my tone to sound as good as you and Alexander Kulish, and others. I'm still learning but i feel I am improving. I can't wait to try recording. Thanks again, man. Frank
Great video. Very helpful. Thanks for making this.
Thanks for your kind words!
Hey Dave first of all, thanks for your video and your info about your equipments really useful. Im glad you admire Arturo Sandoval. We both were born in Cuba, different generations of course, but he's our idol, we love him.
To me, he's technically and physically speaking the most complete musician/ trumpeter in the world. He plays so many other instruments as well at a high level. All his Grammys and things he has achieved like doctorate in Music etc ( being born so poor ) are well deserved bcoz he loves music and has fought so much for it.
Ok back to my concern :)
Im a trumpet player who double in other instruments. Im using a Shure SM7B cardioid dynamic mic for recording sax, trombone and trumpets. It's said to be a legendary vocal Mic since Michael Jackson recorded Thriller with it and lots of radio station uses it. Well, so far it has sounded good to me, but also using a Macbook Pro and Logic Pro X, Quartet apogee interface, I dont have any preamp or compressor.
1. Do you think it is necessary to use a preamp an compressor for recording brasses?
BTW I heard that Telefunken M80 Dynamic Microphone is amazing for recording horns, bcoz it gives you a flat natural sound like the old Shures 57.
I'd like to try a ribbon mic.
2. Do you have any affordable recommendation?
My major concern right now is about how to place the foam all around the room & ceiling to avoid feedbacks and my neighbors' complaints.
3. Any idea?
Lastly. I think that even though we try to not spend too much money on this, we always end up doing it lol, since you need to experiment and make changes based on your own sound, room acoustic and equipments as we don't use the same items or have the same environment.
Thanks and all the best.
Thanks Dave ... a great insight into your set up.
Hi Tom. Thanks!
Very interesting video. Thank you.
Subscribed your channel! 🎺🎺🎺
Hmm, I thought to get the most out of a figure 8 ribbon is to place it away from the walls, taking into account that on basically all ribbons the rear is capturing the sound in a 180° reversed phase, that's what gives the horns the round sound character, or so I thought. I guess I have to try out your way too.
Great video!
Michael Schmidlin Thank you!!!
Great vid!! Very informative! Yo 'de man, Dave.
Hey, thanks so much Jonathan. I need to get back to recording!! I miss it!! Just so busy doing other things right now.
Wow! loved this vid! I learned a lot! I would like to see your work with other trumpets. Do you have a web or a facebook page? And also, let me know if you sell any of your equipment!
Thanks so much for your comments! Yes, I do have a website. It's called Dave's Bach Trumpet Page: www.electrotheremin.com/bach.html Yes, I've sold quite a few of my project horns over the years. But it's been a long time since I've had time to work on a custom project. Thanks for watching!
yes, I have Facebook too. Links to both should still be showing on my channel.
I just picked up a tascam dp-008, just wondering is there any new advice on recording trumpet. Are you till using the same set up in your recent video? Thanks. Oh yeah how often you use the tml 103?
Dave, thank you for all the info here. It is very helpful. Would you consider the Royer 101 comparable to a 121? Thinking about getting one of these for trumpet, clarinet, and maybe violin.
Thanks for your kind words!
I think the 101 is an excellent mic! I use mine quite a lot as it's the mic I keep out at all times. It doesn't have the gain or signal that the 122 has and its self noise is going to be a little higher. You'd also need a clean sounding pre amp with the 101. But its overall sound is so comparable, if not identical, to the 122. The 122 on the other hand is phantom powered (active) and has a high, clean output, and is less dependent on the quality of pre amp. I bought my 122 new, but found an excellent, barely used 101 on ebay at a great deal. The 101 is great.
Also, if you ever have questions about any of the Royer products, their people are excellent. They've got a great website with lots of resources, they're on facebook, and they'll talk on the phone too!
Have you posted something demonstrating the sound you get?
I generally use a Royer 122 into a Presonus tube pre amp into an ART Pro VLA II compressor into a Tascam DP-008. That was when I was recording a lot.
Now I usually have a Royer R 101 set up all the time for spontaneous jams and it’s run directly into a Tascam DP-800EX.
I do editing and mastering in Adobe Audition.
@@DavesTrumpet Yes, but I'd like to hear to sound you get.
@@mikepercival8702 well I’ve got lots of videos of me playing on my channel. Please check them out.
I'm trying to take trumpet lessons online, due to COVID-19. Currently, I and my online teacher are using an iPad, which I now know is the reason why my instructor can't differentiate between and everything in-between. What kind of recording equipment would I need to take lessons online, and at the same time, spend tons of money on recording equipment rather than spending money on upgrading to a better trumpet (I'm now using an intermediate Yamaha YTR-4335GII, Intermediate Bb Trumpet). Any suggestions?
I'm thinking about getting a 1965 conn constellation trumpet. What do you think about these horns? Will I get a semi flugelhorn sound out of it? I have a warm tone already. I've been improv a lot. And listening to a lot of Chet baker
Oh, man, it's THE horn for getting that sound. And Chet used it in the late 1970s too. Gives a fugely/cornety kind of sound. Somewhere on my channel I think I did Nature Boy on the Connstellation. Great horn! Very unique sound. Super quick response too! Oh, and I'm petty certain mine's from 65 as well!
Awesome! Thanks for making it that was really cool :) I have one question, when recording trumpet, if the microphone has a pop filter that goes over the microphone should I take it off or leave it on?
Hi Rob. Thanks! Glad you like the video! If it's a foam windscreen, I would probably remove it so you get the clearest sound going in. Anything you put over a mic is going to change its sound if even ever so slightly.
DavesTrumpet Great, thanks!! Hopefully going to make a trumpet video in the next few weeks then! :)
+Rob Grady Nice!
I need a new trumpet.
Subscribed!
Devil dog Lin Thank you so much!!'n
tube pre default tube Telefunken and would like to know the difference between the sound tube
Correction the 38b is what I'm getting
Yep, that's a Connstellation! Awesome horn, honestly!
+DavesTrumpet cool, I'm excited. Hoping to play it by the end of the week before I buy it.
Oh, that's awesome. Let me know what you think.
+DavesTrumpet I enjoyed the Conn Constellation 38b but the one I looked at was pretty worn out and they wouldn't come down on the price. I ended up getting a good deal on a Cannonball 789 with a reverse lead pipe. Bigger bell than the constellation and has an awesome sound that blends well with my tone. It sounds just like what I imagined the conn to sound like. Raw Brass too.
Do you have any tips for clipping? I've got a Blue Bluebird condenser mic and up close it clips at almost any volume I play
Tom Pelton I'm not familiar with that mic, but most mics react in a similar way. I occasionally use a large diaphragmatic condenser mic, but mostly ribbons these days, but the basics apply to both types. First, make sure the mic is rated for high spls (sound pressure levels). Every mic has its limit as to how much pressure can be forced onto it. If you're not playing extremely close to the mic at loud volumes, you're probably ok. Typical distance from end of bell to mic in usual trumpet tracking is going to be around one to two feet. Secondly, check the gain on your pre amp, or whatever you're inputting the mic's signal into. Preamps are usually going to have level indicators to indicate clipping of the mic's signal. If that checks out, then check the gain level at your board or recorder. You'll also have a level indicator here too in typical audio setups. Now, all that I just wrote assumes you're using a traditional audio chain path into the various components along this path (mic, pre, compressor (opt), interface, board (opt.), recorder, etc). If you're doing something differently like running the mic output directly into a source, you're probably going to have to figure out a way to lower the level going into it. And lastly, mics are generally delicate. Hopefully the mic isn't damaged, but you could check by monitoring (or recording) the sound and with the mic in your hand, give it a gentle wave back and forth to make sure there's no damage to it. Hope that helps. Let me know what you find.
Thanks for the tips. I'm working on getting a good preamp to alter the gain, which I think is the problem
This is not a how to do low budget recording at home video!